Not him, but Watterson is a VERY misanthropic person who decided in the last years of his strip to complain about everything wrong with the world and how you can't do anything to improve or make it better, and acts like he's above comic books and television.
Because the point wasn't that he recreated art, it's that art is everywhere. If anything, the criticism shouldn't be with the artist but with the art world.
But it's all a moot point now. I saw inked pages from Cracked magazine on display at an art exhibit on the work of Daniel Clowes. Every piece of art has curators and appreciators now, especially in the digital age. Low art only means something is bad now.
I got it, it was pretty lame.
Shoot, if there's no scans I don't have a scanner, but I could write out the whole book for you if you really want it. I don't think there's more than 300-400 words.
Not a modern-day "bully" who just calls people names or mocks them, but an actual bully. Someone who physically injures others to get his way, or just because it amuses him to do so. A thug, improperly socialized for whatever reason, and by this age sadly unlikely to be rehabilitated. Destined for a life of domestic violence, street crime, prison, and early death.
Look how happy this fricker is. He looks as happy as Sergio Aragones, goddamn. I don't think there's a single picture of me where I'm half as happy as these motherfrickers. Shit.
Fricking Sergio looks like a real life fricking Wario?!!! I thought he was just exaggerating in his art but nope he really is a fricking stereotype of Eyetalian supervillain cartoon come to life godddamit.
They're spiritually made to be together, neither of them realize the horror of being the only three reoccurring children in a comic strip.
Maybe Suzie does and that's why she's upset sometimes.
real homies think he's cool, fat moronic eunuchs on Cinemaphile get their panties in a twist over the licensing thing because they're sad they can't buy hobbes funko pops and watch horrible 3D animated adaptions of his work where susie is a sassy black woman and half the budget went to top 40 needle drops
>an aging gen xer
people throw this around and "boomer" like it's an insult. but hell, they have so much good culture to look back on and proudly claim. not much to look back on as an aging millennial, tbh. and zoomers? good god.
As an aging Millennial, Calvin and Hobbes taught me a lot of words growing up. It's also weird the amount of art that went into some of the Sunday strips. With Bill Watterson and Gary Larson hitting it big around the same time, it was genius not seen in the funny pages since Ernest Bushmiller's Nancy and George Herriman's Krazy Kat ran concurrently.
It is also weird to how true a lot of it still is. With how Watterson would depict a TV as a wild and violent jumping window to debauchery, I wonder how Watterson would've depicted Calvin's mom giving him an iPad. Mind you, he'd only like 27-37 when he's doing the comic. He basically the dad. And with how he walks away from it to live off of book & calendar & reprint royalties in Ohio, he never hits his ghost writer/artist or Charles Schultz old man period. So I feel as if he has things to say and observations to share that would be just as valid as something from 1991.
Second he drops his estate will prostitute out the rights for a series of cgi movies where Calvin does fortnite dance with minions and comercials for health insurance, viagra and denture adhesives.
>I am sure he has things set up in his will to prevent that stuff.
Wills are not magic and I sincerly doubt his familly will care enough to "protect purity" of a fricking newspaper strip.
I'm sure if he's not a complete shit dad and provides well for his family after his passing, they'll respect his wishes, at least through his daughter's life. And by the time his grandkids (if any) get their hands on the property, I doubt society as whole will be in a good place anyway.
Look how happy this fricker is. He looks as happy as Sergio Aragones, goddamn. I don't think there's a single picture of me where I'm half as happy as these motherfrickers. Shit.
Bill Watterson doesn't exist.
Nobody has ever seen him, except crazy people.
C&H was made by a committee in Andrews & MnNeal and they made up the "artistic integrity" thing to excuse why nobody could agree on who owned the merchandising rights.
Here are some reviews if you're curious >I have read several English versions of this book, but when I try to imagine the original English from the Japanese of this book, I feel that there are many subtle nuances that are mistranslated. I know there are many parts that are difficult to translate into Japanese. I am a little disappointed.
>I am sorry to say this, but the translation is so poor.... As someone who has read the whole book in English, it is a real shame that this masterpiece has been translated like this.... The author is famous for being a very particular person.... This is a work that should have been translated better!
Pissing Calvin is the most enduring legacy of his. In couple if decades this will all that remains. Taking a leak is eternal, insincere detached cynism is not.
Pissing Calvin is the most enduring legacy of his. In couple if decades this will all that remains. Taking a leak is eternal, insincere detached cynism is not.
I like his response to it >Those decals are my ticket to immortality
I don't know anything about the man, despite him and Jim Davis being the only newspaper cartoonists I can outright name because of how much people talk about them. Which I suppose is deeply ironic, given how they're supposedly polar opposites. But I don't like Calvin & Hobbes. It succeeded in an arena where every other contender is borderline moronic, but in the wider scheme of things it's of average quality. Being a newspaper comic made it succeed more than any inherent quality, and if it were a webcomic or something nobody would have heard of it. A lot of the time the strip does this thing where it makes the reader feel smart for agreeing with the put-upon protagonist who actually holds extremely common values, and otherwise it's a typical worship of childhood imagination that no child ever had in reality. To me, these are two of the most annoying things I can see in media.
>it's a typical worship of childhood imagination that no child ever had in reality
Speak for yourself, you sad zoom. I was born in le 90s but as a kid, a flooding water fountain in a park was a treacherous swamp, a pileup of plowed snow in a parking lot was the top of a mountain, and the overgrown sandlot of a skimpy volleyball court was a vast encroaching desert. Endless adventures.
>childhood imagination that no child ever had in reality
Tell us you've had an iPad since birth without saying so. Before your time, Calvin's unsupervised imaginative play was the norm, not the exception.
Usually I don't give a shit about characters in a newspaper strip of all things, but I really want to believe that they became closer as they got older
He's pretty based for not selling out to the animation industry. They would have fricked up his life's work beyond recognition, especially today. I mean, can you imagine if they made Calvin black, made Hobbes gay, or made Susie trans?
>I’m assuming you’ve gotten wind of people animating your strip for YouTube? Did you ever mimic cartoonists you admired before finding your own style? >Every artist learns through imitation, but I rather doubt the aim of these things is artistic development. I assume they’re either homages or satiric riffs, and are not intended to be taken too seriously as works in their own right. Otherwise I should be talking to a copyright lawyer.
This is from an interview with Mental Floss
Did you know that in Japan there are famous directors who started off doing doujin of their favorite works and are usually viewed favorably by the original creators?
Every Day I wish my dad would drag me out to the middle of nowhere for a camping trips or to go fishing one last time. Calvin's Dad was great for trying to make memories for Calvin through those character building exercises. His mom was pretty good too, she seemed to really understand him and his personality and lets him be independent I wish my mom were still around to shove me outside, away from the idiot box. They were incredibly patient with him too so I guess he really shouldn't have complained.
>I respect his decision, but do kids nowadays care about Calvin & Hobbes?
His books continue to get reprinted and are a staple of Scholastic Book Fairs.
The only difference between Calvin and Susie is that she likes school while he hates it. Otherwise they're more similar than you think >Both have a stuffed animal compani9n >Both like to use their imagination (although Watterson toned down Susie's in the later strips which made her boring as shit) >Both like learning (except Calvin doesn't like to be forced to learn by school) >Both can be mischievous to each other (again Watterson toned this does for Susie, which made her boring)
Besides, I never got why people think they'd drift apart aside from Susie moving, and even that was never guaranteed.
She likes playing tea parties with her stuffed rabbit, Mr.Bun and also likes to play make believe into Noir Dramas kind of like how Calvin will space out into a Spaceman Spiff adventure when he's in class.
My problem with her is that after 1990 she has zero imagination except playing president of the United States. Like she doesn't really acknowledge Hobbes anymore and she becomes boring as shit, like she's a minature adult
I mostly remember him from the lemon demon song. Oh and peeing Calvin. Did he hate the peeing calvin decal? I feel like if it had done the smallest amount of merchandising like releasing a plush hobbes his legacy wouldn't be stained by that stupid sticker.
I grew up with Calvin and Hobbes, but I still enjoy Lemon Demon and this song is one of my favourites, so I kind of understand why that anon is mostly only familiar with him through it.
I never understood why Watterson was supposed to make us think that Calvin is a hellion when the worst shit that he does is that he's self-centered and likes causing trouble to others. I'm not saying what he does isn't bad but the way the comic depicts him he might ad well be locked up for life
I wanna know why people keep overanalyzing Calvin and act as though he's gonna grow up and be a right wing MAGA troll on the fact that he thinks girls have cooties and acts like a typical selfish six year old
>literally judging a book by its cover
I honestly don't get why people make a big deal about this. If homies wanted their books to be read, they'd make cool covers.
Most of the time I think like 98 percent of the time the cover is decided on by the publisher the writer has no say whatsoever in what the cover looks like. That’s why some books notoriously have either post modern art or some gawdawful clipart for the cover because the publishers were lazy c**ts. That’s why they say don’t judge based on the cover because it has no bearing on the content inside.
Calvin and Hobbes plus a few other sources gave me false ideals of childhood imagination and innocence. I had a stuffed monkey and I would sit there trying to force a full hallucination of it walking around and talking to me, and it never worked. Left me wondering why I didn't have proper imagination.
Also when he plays with like, the wagon, or calvinball, it comes off as this kind of perfect childhood innocence that I couldn't achieve. But then I tried to force that innocent play and it never lived up to what's in the comics.
Oh Lord, you just reminded me of the day I had an "imaginary" friend that I didn't even see because I thought all kids had one. I didn't know imaginary friends were for kids with no friends.
i like that he gave up the copyright on his shit and then fricked off and never bothered anybody ever again. He didn't have to make a twitter account, nobody needed to know his position on Israel, and I don't ever have to hear about him getting a divorce, he just fricking left and lived his life and honestly, I wish more talented people would do what he did and make something great and then bow out and fricking leave.
Absolute cope. He is extremly protective of his intelectual rights. He is as capitalist as they come. He didn't merchandise to not dilute the brand, not to spread the revolution or whatever moronic bullshit you think
I don't know why there's a conspiracy about the people behind the strip trying to capitalize on Calvin and Hobbes. It doesn't make any fricking sense - it wasn't like Watterson came out of retirement or they announced new Calvin and Hobbes shit at the time. It was just some guys who wanted to pay tribute to a strip they grew up with
Calvin and Hobbes is gen x bible. Making fanfics about it is akin to showing your super sick new new testament about Jesus'es son Steve to a bunch of christians. It's a blasphemy and sacrilige.
You are aware that a large amount of world renowned literature is very literally Bible fanfiction? It is probably the one book most cited, discussed and retold through the whole Western canon.
>I Got Lost in the Woods and When I Was Attacked by Animals I Was Transported to Another World and With My Cheat Skill to Summon Guides I Learned God's Entire Plan for the Universe
What are you trying to say? That he regrets implying they have a crush on each other?
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Yes
4 months ago
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He literally said that Calvin has a crush on Susie in the same book
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Calvin still does
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I don't know why people keep denying Calvin's crush on her. Watterson even confirmed it but morons still act like he doesn't because it's not spelt out
You are naive. People never change, and Calvin will never be able to get Susie to trust him again.
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what about when Rosalyn finally figured out how to get Calvin to behave without the threat of physical violence and Calvin actually enjoyed a night spent with Rosalyn
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The difference is that Calvin already used up his good will with Susie. Plus she would never understand Calvin or want to play Calvinball. She thinks he's weird and refuses to get to know him
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I'm not talking about Rosalyn, I'm talking about Susie
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but that little story arc demonstrated that both of them can change
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It doesn't prove that Susie will have a better relationship with Calvin
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He will never change for Susie and Susie will never trust Calvin again. They will never be friends
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CORRECT BASED ANON. SHE HATES HIM AND NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE BETWEEN THEM
I wish C&H fanfics weren't so shit. I would love to read one about Calvin and Susie becoming real friends, but the ones online make them too friendly to each other
I like Calvin & Hobbes when they’re true cartoons, not when Bill is writing his views on the real world. One of my favourite reoccurring gags on the comics are Calvin and his snowman shenanigans. There are so many. Calvin tortures snowmen like it’s the medieval times, and then there’s the father stating to the mother “hey. You gotta admit, it has slowed down the traffic in our streets”. Another is when Calvin built many and many snowmen by the sidewalk of his home. Another is when Calvin built this giant face with snow. And this is just one type of cartoon gag among many others.
The snowmen and Calvin tormenting his babysitter are definitely my favorite ones
I also like the sagas where he invents some machine like the one that makes a good Calvin
One strip I always liked is when Calvin is wearing a space helmet and a cape. His mother asks him, “what’s up, today?” And he answers “nothing so far.” “So far?” “Well you never know. Something could happen. And if anything does, I’ll be ready for it” and then the mother says to herself “i need a space suit like that”. Bill just understood the middle class like no other.
Why are Calvin and Hobbes fans so up their own ass? It was a good strip but if you so much as not like parts of it people just tell you to shut up and eat it
again, it's a literal Hasbro toy. Ouija is a made-up word by Parker Brothers. It's like pretending the Wizard of Oz is Satanic because there's a witch in it. Or fricking stiff as a feather light as a board is actually magic.
Man did I love reading people's theories about the Spaghetti incident. I also love that Watterson had the same reasoning, his readers would come up with something far more demented and ridiculous than he ever could so why not leave it open to interpretation
I feel like susie has "girl friends" as in, not really friends just kind of another person you see around a bunch and you act friendly to, but will forget the face of the moment you are no longer required to interact at all. Calvin has zero friends, but at least he'd be trying to make *actual* friends. I'd rather have no friends at all than terrible "friends".
I definitely feel as though he was kind of a hypocrite on any piece of medium being art, seeing as how he talked shit about comic books in the tenth anniversary collection, plus the countless strips b***hing about how evil television is.
So I was very upset when I read Calvin and Hobbes, because it was apparent to me that the people who made it weren't thinking at all about making fun for or gaining the sympathy of the audience. Instead they tried to convince the audience to admit that everybody is sick, practically in the middle of a nervous breakdown, all the time. I don't think you should show things like that to everybody. It's not entertainment for the masses--it's much more interested in admitting that we're all depressed nervous wrecks, I thought. It was a work that told people it was okay to be depressed, and it accepted the psychological state that said if you don't like the way the world works, then it's okay to just pick up a gun and attack someone. I don't think that's a real work of art. When people see that, they begin to realize they are the same way. I think that we should try to show people how to live healthier, fuller lives, to foster their identity as a part of their community, and to encourage them to work happily until they die. I can't accept any work that doesn't say that.
I think it's more about how unnecessary it is. I mean it's not like there is lore on the original or anything particulary distinct about the setting. It's literally troublesome kid in the 80-90's like danny the menace or bart simpsons.
It's like making a sequel to marmaduke it's such a generic and simple setting that there is no reason not to just make a new troublesome dog setting unless you are trying to ride on the coattails of the original.
I mean you can say the same about any anime that has a sequel with the children of the previous cast, or any Dragon Ball series after Z. Besides, Hobbes and Bacon wasn't meant to be something long running
It's not the same because of all the lore and the mechanics of the powers but I get to the same conclusion and even more so for things like Boruto and DBZ. They are unnecessary they had plenty of room to explore those concepts and just filled it with pointless filler instead and ultimately rushed to a hasty ending when they started to lose popularity. Making a sequel is just pissing on the dead horse especially considering how generic the lore is.
As for Hobbes and Bacon not being something long running it's still a troublesome kid trope cartoon with Calvin attached to it for nostalgia farming. I mean most of the ones posted here have calvin on them. Also this is the only thing I ever seen posted about the author so he isn't known for much else. I really don't care much for the original or this one either but it does feel cheap.
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I think it's more about how unnecessary it is. I mean it's not like there is lore on the original or anything particulary distinct about the setting. It's literally troublesome kid in the 80-90's like danny the menace or bart simpsons.
It's like making a sequel to marmaduke it's such a generic and simple setting that there is no reason not to just make a new troublesome dog setting unless you are trying to ride on the coattails of the original.
While I'll grant the maker of it is probably nothing but well intentioned and sincere in their love of the original that's kind of where the problem lies. It feels like a tragic waste of effort and talent that should be spent creating their own work, perhaps in a similar vein, than just trying to carry over someone else's legacy.
Hobbes is the philosopher with the dim view on humanity. But to your question, many Calvinists are real jerks because they believe in predestination. They don't worry about being buttholes because they assume their salvation is preordained.
Ok the Bacon and Hobbes stuff was fine the first couple times but the cartoonists insistence to continue their fanfiction made it cringe. I’m with Waterson here that it’s pointless.
Which is why DeviantArt should be regarded as “nope never not even once going into the trash” always and forever. Honestly posting DeviantArt on Cinemaphile should be as seen as cringe as admitting you’re from Reddit.
Why are people so against the idea of Calvin and Susie getting together as teens? It's not just that schizo, I've seen reddit b***h about the concept because it isn't realistic
People aren't against the idea so much as they're against morons who feel they need to make everything, including series about 6 year olds, about shipping. Just frick off.
Overrated pretentious hack
Frick him
why tho
Not him, but Watterson is a VERY misanthropic person who decided in the last years of his strip to complain about everything wrong with the world and how you can't do anything to improve or make it better, and acts like he's above comic books and television.
Based for sticking to his own morals, but also kind of a b***h for sticking to his own morals, so...
I'd probably frick him I guess.
had an oversized stick up his ass about artistic value for a guy who drew newspaper yuk yuks
>implying he wasn't self aware being serious about something silly
Why did no one call out Liechenstein's plagiarism in his lifetime
Because the point wasn't that he recreated art, it's that art is everywhere. If anything, the criticism shouldn't be with the artist but with the art world.
But it's all a moot point now. I saw inked pages from Cracked magazine on display at an art exhibit on the work of Daniel Clowes. Every piece of art has curators and appreciators now, especially in the digital age. Low art only means something is bad now.
>Why did no one call out Liechenstein's plagiarism in his lifetime
>thought gained: actual art degree
He made one good comic, quit, and I recently heard he made a good picture book. Can't fault a guy for sticking to his word when I loved his work.
Based.
I heard The Mysteries wasn't great, at least according to an anon who bought it
I got it, it was pretty lame.
Shoot, if there's no scans I don't have a scanner, but I could write out the whole book for you if you really want it. I don't think there's more than 300-400 words.
I'm gonna be honest, once I saw the cover I didn't think I would be really that into it.
yeah I really only got it because it was on sale and I just like Calvin and Hobbes THAT much, wanted to see what Bill was up to.
I think the Mysteries is great. It's pretty different from Calvin and Hobbes obviously.
Am I the only one who thinks he got rid of any positive traits Calvin had after 1991 in a bid to make him unmarketable?
What the frick was his problem
I'd rather know what the hell is wrong with Calvin's parents. Like play with your kid for frick's sake
they are not suppose to be good parents, just realistically mid. Mid parents rarely get recognition
repressed homosexuality
I'd be mad too if I had that haircut
He was a bully, that was his problem.
Not a modern-day "bully" who just calls people names or mocks them, but an actual bully. Someone who physically injures others to get his way, or just because it amuses him to do so. A thug, improperly socialized for whatever reason, and by this age sadly unlikely to be rehabilitated. Destined for a life of domestic violence, street crime, prison, and early death.
Look how happy this fricker is. He looks as happy as Sergio Aragones, goddamn. I don't think there's a single picture of me where I'm half as happy as these motherfrickers. Shit.
Well, why don't you do what you like, anon? you like something, right? some kind of dream to live for?
they had more testosterone back then
Fricking Sergio looks like a real life fricking Wario?!!! I thought he was just exaggerating in his art but nope he really is a fricking stereotype of Eyetalian supervillain cartoon come to life godddamit.
He's the real deal.
He's pretty based for his work on Calvin and Hobbes, but I wouldn't put him up there with the greats.
The Mysteries was a disappointment.
Never understood why sometimes Susie is friendly to Calvin and other times she's hostile
Because they like each other.
They're spiritually made to be together, neither of them realize the horror of being the only three reoccurring children in a comic strip.
Maybe Suzie does and that's why she's upset sometimes.
real homies think he's cool, fat moronic eunuchs on Cinemaphile get their panties in a twist over the licensing thing because they're sad they can't buy hobbes funko pops and watch horrible 3D animated adaptions of his work where susie is a sassy black woman and half the budget went to top 40 needle drops
You are an aging gen xer, not a "real homie". Garfield will outlive Calvin and Hobbes.
>an aging gen xer
people throw this around and "boomer" like it's an insult. but hell, they have so much good culture to look back on and proudly claim. not much to look back on as an aging millennial, tbh. and zoomers? good god.
As an aging Millennial, Calvin and Hobbes taught me a lot of words growing up. It's also weird the amount of art that went into some of the Sunday strips. With Bill Watterson and Gary Larson hitting it big around the same time, it was genius not seen in the funny pages since Ernest Bushmiller's Nancy and George Herriman's Krazy Kat ran concurrently.
It is also weird to how true a lot of it still is. With how Watterson would depict a TV as a wild and violent jumping window to debauchery, I wonder how Watterson would've depicted Calvin's mom giving him an iPad. Mind you, he'd only like 27-37 when he's doing the comic. He basically the dad. And with how he walks away from it to live off of book & calendar & reprint royalties in Ohio, he never hits his ghost writer/artist or Charles Schultz old man period. So I feel as if he has things to say and observations to share that would be just as valid as something from 1991.
Based strip, frick materialism.
Probably gonna die within the next ten to fifteen years.
Second he drops his estate will prostitute out the rights for a series of cgi movies where Calvin does fortnite dance with minions and comercials for health insurance, viagra and denture adhesives.
Is he married?
I am sure he has things set up in his will to prevent that stuff. You will have to wait 70 to 90 years for it to be public domain.
Yeah, he said Susie is basically the kind of girl he ended up marrying
>I am sure he has things set up in his will to prevent that stuff.
Wills are not magic and I sincerly doubt his familly will care enough to "protect purity" of a fricking newspaper strip.
I'm sure if he's not a complete shit dad and provides well for his family after his passing, they'll respect his wishes, at least through his daughter's life. And by the time his grandkids (if any) get their hands on the property, I doubt society as whole will be in a good place anyway.
It makes me sad, all three of these guys
Well Al Jaffee got past 100 I think
Tell me what to feel and think anonymous image board!
Bill Watterson doesn't exist.
Nobody has ever seen him, except crazy people.
C&H was made by a committee in Andrews & MnNeal and they made up the "artistic integrity" thing to excuse why nobody could agree on who owned the merchandising rights.
Calvin and Hobbes being some kind of social experiment sounds insane, but I can believe it.
He’s the JD Salinger of comics.
In what way?
Holden is literally me. Calvin is literally me
Beloved, reclusive, talented, creative, uncompromising...
catcher in the rye is a terrible book
Great.
It's always funny seeing comments like these on Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile.
Greedy fricker who justifies public domain.
Yoh Yoshinari Calvin and Hobbes
Was Calvin and Hobbes ever translated into Japanese?
I'd be surprised if it wasn't. Syndicated comics that get popular tend to end up getting translated in a lot of languages.
I've only ever seen the first collection in Japanese, and according to the reviews the translation was shit.
Here are some reviews if you're curious
>I have read several English versions of this book, but when I try to imagine the original English from the Japanese of this book, I feel that there are many subtle nuances that are mistranslated. I know there are many parts that are difficult to translate into Japanese. I am a little disappointed.
>I am sorry to say this, but the translation is so poor.... As someone who has read the whole book in English, it is a real shame that this masterpiece has been translated like this.... The author is famous for being a very particular person.... This is a work that should have been translated better!
He looks like Robert Crumb's brother that the family actually talks about.
I see yours and rise you mine.
Imagine how much money he'd make if he'd actually licensed Pissing Calvin decals.
Pissing Calvin is the most enduring legacy of his. In couple if decades this will all that remains. Taking a leak is eternal, insincere detached cynism is not.
I like his response to it
>Those decals are my ticket to immortality
I mean, he's not wrong.
Quiter. There I said it.
>makes capegays seethe
He's over with me brother
He never said anything about superheroes specifically. He doesn't like ANY comic books.
He specifically mentioned dumb things about superheroes.
He explicitly said he doesn't like ANY comic books. Why is that hard for you to understand?
He dropped the term "comic books" like people do when they mean superhero comics, after listing only superhero comic silliness. You are dense.
I don't know anything about the man, despite him and Jim Davis being the only newspaper cartoonists I can outright name because of how much people talk about them. Which I suppose is deeply ironic, given how they're supposedly polar opposites. But I don't like Calvin & Hobbes. It succeeded in an arena where every other contender is borderline moronic, but in the wider scheme of things it's of average quality. Being a newspaper comic made it succeed more than any inherent quality, and if it were a webcomic or something nobody would have heard of it. A lot of the time the strip does this thing where it makes the reader feel smart for agreeing with the put-upon protagonist who actually holds extremely common values, and otherwise it's a typical worship of childhood imagination that no child ever had in reality. To me, these are two of the most annoying things I can see in media.
>it's a typical worship of childhood imagination that no child ever had in reality
Speak for yourself, you sad zoom. I was born in le 90s but as a kid, a flooding water fountain in a park was a treacherous swamp, a pileup of plowed snow in a parking lot was the top of a mountain, and the overgrown sandlot of a skimpy volleyball court was a vast encroaching desert. Endless adventures.
>childhood imagination that no child ever had in reality
Tell us you've had an iPad since birth without saying so. Before your time, Calvin's unsupervised imaginative play was the norm, not the exception.
Charles Schultz is talked about way more than those two.
Anyone see that Robot Chicken sketch where an adult Susie wants Calvin to pee on her
SHE WOULD NEVER DO THAT THEY HATE EACH OTHER
Is he related to Richard Watterson?
I know you're joking, but I'm pretty sure Ben said Gumball's last name was a Bill Watterson tribute
White Eddie Murphy?
Usually I don't give a shit about characters in a newspaper strip of all things, but I really want to believe that they became closer as they got older
There are literally comics made where they're married.
They aren't canon though
It's a shame there's so many shitty fanfics of the comic
He's pretty based for not selling out to the animation industry. They would have fricked up his life's work beyond recognition, especially today. I mean, can you imagine if they made Calvin black, made Hobbes gay, or made Susie trans?
Too bad fanworks make him so pissy, even stuff like fan animations
Proof? I've never heard of that.
>I’m assuming you’ve gotten wind of people animating your strip for YouTube? Did you ever mimic cartoonists you admired before finding your own style?
>Every artist learns through imitation, but I rather doubt the aim of these things is artistic development. I assume they’re either homages or satiric riffs, and are not intended to be taken too seriously as works in their own right. Otherwise I should be talking to a copyright lawyer.
This is from an interview with Mental Floss
He's not wrong. Animators start off with parodies and then they either move on to their own ideas and grow or stick with parodies and become hacks.
Did you know that in Japan there are famous directors who started off doing doujin of their favorite works and are usually viewed favorably by the original creators?
Why the frick does he care as long as they aren't making money off of it?
he literally says he doesn't care because they're clearly not commercial products.
>reading comprehension
He says he doesn't want them to be considered works in their own right. Would he say that Bacon and Hobbes is a homage or trying to profit off of him?
Were they good parents
They could've done worse, John.
A lot worse.
I'm still wondering how he scored her.
he was a lot cooler in college
Yep.
https://comicsalliance.com/calvin-and-hobbes-creator-bill-wattersons-college-comics/
Every Day I wish my dad would drag me out to the middle of nowhere for a camping trips or to go fishing one last time. Calvin's Dad was great for trying to make memories for Calvin through those character building exercises. His mom was pretty good too, she seemed to really understand him and his personality and lets him be independent I wish my mom were still around to shove me outside, away from the idiot box. They were incredibly patient with him too so I guess he really shouldn't have complained.
it's hinted a few times that Calvin's Mom acted just like Calvin does when she was a kid
Like the rest of the cast, they were fine pre-1991. For some reason after that year everyone lost any positive traits they had before
proto reddit hipster gay also Calving and Hobbes is EXTREMELY overrated.
Remember when Bill Watterson drew a transgender horse with big breasts and a huge penis ejaculating chocolate over someone's cup of ice cream?
Is Calvin a bully? He said that he wanted a baby brother so that he had someone small he could beat up
I respect his decision, but do kids nowadays care about Calvin & Hobbes?
He will be remembered as that guy who made the peeing kid sticker.
>I respect his decision, but do kids nowadays care about Calvin & Hobbes?
His books continue to get reprinted and are a staple of Scholastic Book Fairs.
i'm a zoomer and i enjoyed reading Calvin and Hobbes when i was a kid
>tfw never had a Susie in my life
What was I missing out on fellow Cinemaphilecksuckers?
>What was I missing out on fellow Cinemaphilecksuckers?
Having fun with a girl but growing apart because you don't share interests.
The only difference between Calvin and Susie is that she likes school while he hates it. Otherwise they're more similar than you think
>Both have a stuffed animal compani9n
>Both like to use their imagination (although Watterson toned down Susie's in the later strips which made her boring as shit)
>Both like learning (except Calvin doesn't like to be forced to learn by school)
>Both can be mischievous to each other (again Watterson toned this does for Susie, which made her boring)
Besides, I never got why people think they'd drift apart aside from Susie moving, and even that was never guaranteed.
What fricking interests does Susie have besides school and learning? The strip barely touches on her beyond that
She likes playing tea parties with her stuffed rabbit, Mr.Bun and also likes to play make believe into Noir Dramas kind of like how Calvin will space out into a Spaceman Spiff adventure when he's in class.
Would she like space adventures or not
A sci-fi noir drama space adventure probably, spaceman spiff is probably too campy for her taste.
Lacrosse this one time
She is a ISFJ npc goodie two shoes achiever girl, thats her personality
Why is he describing what he is doing while doing it?
that’s not even the right stick for girls lacrosse I would know because I did lacrosse.
Calvin's father was right about building character. Inconvenience, discomfort, and suffering are important parts of human life.
Susie Derkins was wasted as a character imo
My problem with her is that after 1990 she has zero imagination except playing president of the United States. Like she doesn't really acknowledge Hobbes anymore and she becomes boring as shit, like she's a minature adult
I mostly remember him from the lemon demon song. Oh and peeing Calvin. Did he hate the peeing calvin decal? I feel like if it had done the smallest amount of merchandising like releasing a plush hobbes his legacy wouldn't be stained by that stupid sticker.
What the frick is the lemon demon song
Not that anon, but he means this:
I grew up with Calvin and Hobbes, but I still enjoy Lemon Demon and this song is one of my favourites, so I kind of understand why that anon is mostly only familiar with him through it.
I never understood why Watterson was supposed to make us think that Calvin is a hellion when the worst shit that he does is that he's self-centered and likes causing trouble to others. I'm not saying what he does isn't bad but the way the comic depicts him he might ad well be locked up for life
I wanna know why people keep overanalyzing Calvin and act as though he's gonna grow up and be a right wing MAGA troll on the fact that he thinks girls have cooties and acts like a typical selfish six year old
The Man of Quality
Which ending do you all prefer: Hobbes and Bacon or the Bloom County ending
For comparison
Why did people like this more than Bacon and Hobbes again?
It's serious and mature work for serious and mature people with high IQ.
Calvin was hardly in it. It was mostly just Hobbes and the Bloom County cast with the same Trump joke that people b***hed at Bacon and Hobbes for
cause it reminds me of cowboy bebop
It reminds me of Weapon Brown.
Frick it, I'll post more
>Calvin becomes a cartoonist
I can see it.
Only good answer.
I'm certain a quarter of all American Zoomer boys got put on some sort of behavior regulating medication in elementary school.
el cringo
It's kino. Sorry it's not realistic enough for you
no senor
Si esta muy bien
Both are better than what happens to them in Pearls before Swine
I wonder what Bill thinks of this.
Pretty sure he collaborated with the hlguy. Not sure if he knew about the strip beforehand though
>literally judging a book by its cover
I honestly don't get why people make a big deal about this. If homies wanted their books to be read, they'd make cool covers.
Most of the time I think like 98 percent of the time the cover is decided on by the publisher the writer has no say whatsoever in what the cover looks like. That’s why some books notoriously have either post modern art or some gawdawful clipart for the cover because the publishers were lazy c**ts. That’s why they say don’t judge based on the cover because it has no bearing on the content inside.
He's cool
Mega based artist rights chad. When he dies you know his estate will license the shit out of everything and spit on his legacy
Cool dude, old skool.
I assume the thread is full of edgy zoomers shitting on him so I won't read it
Calvin and Hobbes plus a few other sources gave me false ideals of childhood imagination and innocence. I had a stuffed monkey and I would sit there trying to force a full hallucination of it walking around and talking to me, and it never worked. Left me wondering why I didn't have proper imagination.
Also when he plays with like, the wagon, or calvinball, it comes off as this kind of perfect childhood innocence that I couldn't achieve. But then I tried to force that innocent play and it never lived up to what's in the comics.
Oh Lord, you just reminded me of the day I had an "imaginary" friend that I didn't even see because I thought all kids had one. I didn't know imaginary friends were for kids with no friends.
i like that he gave up the copyright on his shit and then fricked off and never bothered anybody ever again. He didn't have to make a twitter account, nobody needed to know his position on Israel, and I don't ever have to hear about him getting a divorce, he just fricking left and lived his life and honestly, I wish more talented people would do what he did and make something great and then bow out and fricking leave.
He made his mark and fricked off while he was at his peak. Always leave an audience wanting more is a phrase for a reason.
Anti-Capitalist who hates the free market.
based
Absolute cope. He is extremly protective of his intelectual rights. He is as capitalist as they come. He didn't merchandise to not dilute the brand, not to spread the revolution or whatever moronic bullshit you think
Bacon and Hobbes is soulless, unfunny dogshit.
Actually it's extremely soulful. I'm sorry you think that Calvin should be alone and never change
Extremely soulless.
Bingo.
>I'm not seething, you're seething!
KEK
Keep seething
Please elaborate on how it's soulless
Probably because he thinks it's unrealistic
it's shallow nostalgia pandering with none of the wit of the originals
Why are you comparing a fan work to the original work? That's not a fair comparison
because it's a fan work specifically trying to capitalize on nostalgia for the original? It invites the comparison simply by its existence.
I don't know why there's a conspiracy about the people behind the strip trying to capitalize on Calvin and Hobbes. It doesn't make any fricking sense - it wasn't like Watterson came out of retirement or they announced new Calvin and Hobbes shit at the time. It was just some guys who wanted to pay tribute to a strip they grew up with
I'm going to post more and make your b***h ass seethe
I like that he didn't sell out but I also think he was in a situation where not selling out was feasible for him.
Hobbes cameo in Japanese manga
Truely an international star!
What manga is it
Why can't he at least give more interviews
What's to say that hasn't been said already at this point? If anything he's done more interviews than most authors after putting down the pen.
Why?
Sp he can elaborate more on the strip
I liked Calvin and Hobbes, but I find the way this board idolizes Waterson to be cringe.
You mean like
where they keep seething about harmless fan content
Calvin and Hobbes is gen x bible. Making fanfics about it is akin to showing your super sick new new testament about Jesus'es son Steve to a bunch of christians. It's a blasphemy and sacrilige.
I mean I grew up with the books and I don't mind the fanfics.
Fake fan detected. I personally smashed every car window with an unauthorised pissing calvin decal I seen in the last 30 years.
You are aware that a large amount of world renowned literature is very literally Bible fanfiction? It is probably the one book most cited, discussed and retold through the whole Western canon.
>I Got Lost in the Woods and When I Was Attacked by Animals I Was Transported to Another World and With My Cheat Skill to Summon Guides I Learned God's Entire Plan for the Universe
Calvin and Hobbes is mostly good but he was kind of a pretentious homosexual
So does Watterson have kids? I read that he didn't, but according to that Exploring Calvin and Hobbes book he had one after the strip ended?
He has a daughter.
Do we know that for sure? I never saw it mentioned
Bill Watterson, can't you hear me? Bill Watterson, please don't fear me
What is Susie's power level?
Why was Susie such a jerk to good Calvin?
How has his new book not been posted online yet?
I don't think it got a digital release so someone would have to physically rip the pages out to scan it
Calvin and Hobbes is too depressing for me to read nowadays
Do you think some fans base their parenting style on how Calvin's parents raised him?
Why do we think that Susie will ever trust Calvin or like him? This shows it's impossible
LOL SO MUCH FOR HER LIKING CALVIN. SHE HATES HIS FRICKING GUTS AND WILL NEVER TRUST HIM
Why do people think they get together as teens again? This shows that she will never trust him
What the frick is your problem
Why is she being an butthole to him
I seriously don't understand this meme. It's been going on for a fricking month now
>meme
it's one autist
I wish they would stop. It must be some zoomer who thinks they're toxic or some bullshit
He unironically said that he regretted those strips.
Frick off schizo. He said the love-hate relationship was too heavy handed, not that he hated them
What are you trying to say? That he regrets implying they have a crush on each other?
Yes
He literally said that Calvin has a crush on Susie in the same book
Calvin still does
I don't know why people keep denying Calvin's crush on her. Watterson even confirmed it but morons still act like he doesn't because it's not spelt out
Do you think Hobbes was nailing the flower girl?
It's not a meme. It's one butthole spamming the board with this irritating nonsense.
Are we sure it's not a zoomed who think that they're "toxic" or whatever bullshit they've come up with
his motives are irrelevant, he's an annoying autist
You are naive. People never change, and Calvin will never be able to get Susie to trust him again.
what about when Rosalyn finally figured out how to get Calvin to behave without the threat of physical violence and Calvin actually enjoyed a night spent with Rosalyn
The difference is that Calvin already used up his good will with Susie. Plus she would never understand Calvin or want to play Calvinball. She thinks he's weird and refuses to get to know him
I'm not talking about Rosalyn, I'm talking about Susie
but that little story arc demonstrated that both of them can change
It doesn't prove that Susie will have a better relationship with Calvin
He will never change for Susie and Susie will never trust Calvin again. They will never be friends
CORRECT BASED ANON. SHE HATES HIM AND NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE BETWEEN THEM
Reminder that people never change, therefore Calvin will never change and his relationship with Susie will never improve. Watterson said so himself
The opposite extreme of Jim Davis.
Why is it all right for Susie to bear up Calvin but not Moe?
Because that'd be homosexual
Wasn't she usually provoked by Calvin?
I wish C&H fanfics weren't so shit. I would love to read one about Calvin and Susie becoming real friends, but the ones online make them too friendly to each other
Why is any fan thing related to Calvin and Hobbes where things look up for Calvin shat on? Do C&H fans love misery?
I like Calvin & Hobbes when they’re true cartoons, not when Bill is writing his views on the real world. One of my favourite reoccurring gags on the comics are Calvin and his snowman shenanigans. There are so many. Calvin tortures snowmen like it’s the medieval times, and then there’s the father stating to the mother “hey. You gotta admit, it has slowed down the traffic in our streets”. Another is when Calvin built many and many snowmen by the sidewalk of his home. Another is when Calvin built this giant face with snow. And this is just one type of cartoon gag among many others.
The snowmen and Calvin tormenting his babysitter are definitely my favorite ones
I also like the sagas where he invents some machine like the one that makes a good Calvin
Reminder that it's not just a good clone of Calvin, it's the literal physical manifestation of Calvin's good side
I'm gonna get a ton of shit for this, but Watterson kind of comes off as a misanthropic butthole
Thought that was Doug Winger
One strip I always liked is when Calvin is wearing a space helmet and a cape. His mother asks him, “what’s up, today?” And he answers “nothing so far.” “So far?” “Well you never know. Something could happen. And if anything does, I’ll be ready for it” and then the mother says to herself “i need a space suit like that”. Bill just understood the middle class like no other.
Why are Calvin and Hobbes fans so up their own ass? It was a good strip but if you so much as not like parts of it people just tell you to shut up and eat it
I didn't like the Ouija board strips, it makes me a little uneasy about letting my kids read it while they're young
why would you feel uneasy about a Hasbro toy that tells Calvin the answer to how it knows everything is "3"
I don't like entertaining outright satanic shit, simple as
again, it's a literal Hasbro toy. Ouija is a made-up word by Parker Brothers. It's like pretending the Wizard of Oz is Satanic because there's a witch in it. Or fricking stiff as a feather light as a board is actually magic.
please stop humoring morons
Because I'm right?
Who was in the wrong?
Man did I love reading people's theories about the Spaghetti incident. I also love that Watterson had the same reasoning, his readers would come up with something far more demented and ridiculous than he ever could so why not leave it open to interpretation
Noodle incident, Anon.
The Sphagetti incident is the sequel
That's a Guns N Roses album
The noodles
What other newspaper comics ever did art like this?
Good.
Art like what?
Was Susie supposed to have friends or not in the strip? It was hard to tell because some implied she did and others imply she doesn't
I feel like susie has "girl friends" as in, not really friends just kind of another person you see around a bunch and you act friendly to, but will forget the face of the moment you are no longer required to interact at all. Calvin has zero friends, but at least he'd be trying to make *actual* friends. I'd rather have no friends at all than terrible "friends".
The Little Nemo dream sequences heavily influenced Watterson.
>Spends his entire life malding over talented comic book artists while being unable to make a single comic himself
I definitely feel as though he was kind of a hypocrite on any piece of medium being art, seeing as how he talked shit about comic books in the tenth anniversary collection, plus the countless strips b***hing about how evil television is.
I like how he complaind that they're too bleak. Like Calvin and Hobbes isn't the same shot except without blood
I really don't get why he's so highly praised. Like as a person he just seems like a miserable person to be around
Remember when we could have these threads without a schizo barging in
My biggest pet peeve about Calvin and Hobbes fans are the ones who think Calvin grew up to be a right wing troll
Anyone think he looks like a serial killer? Like he could be BTK or the Green River killer?
Him and Alan Moore trying hard to be the Pynchon’s of comics is kinda dumb tbh.
Moore makes a shitload of appearances. He just doesn't do conventions anymore.
Why does making a comic strip mean you need to be a public figure?
Not him, but Watterson literally hates people in general. The only people he likes are his own family
So I was very upset when I read Calvin and Hobbes, because it was apparent to me that the people who made it weren't thinking at all about making fun for or gaining the sympathy of the audience. Instead they tried to convince the audience to admit that everybody is sick, practically in the middle of a nervous breakdown, all the time. I don't think you should show things like that to everybody. It's not entertainment for the masses--it's much more interested in admitting that we're all depressed nervous wrecks, I thought. It was a work that told people it was okay to be depressed, and it accepted the psychological state that said if you don't like the way the world works, then it's okay to just pick up a gun and attack someone. I don't think that's a real work of art. When people see that, they begin to realize they are the same way. I think that we should try to show people how to live healthier, fuller lives, to foster their identity as a part of their community, and to encourage them to work happily until they die. I can't accept any work that doesn't say that.
When I was a kid/teenager my dentist would have like four C&H collection books I would always flip through in the waiting room.
I always liked the snowman comics.
the snowman comics were some of the best. i remember trying to make a couple of them myself when i was a kid
So did Calvin and Susie get married as adults?
Yes
I think it's more about how unnecessary it is. I mean it's not like there is lore on the original or anything particulary distinct about the setting. It's literally troublesome kid in the 80-90's like danny the menace or bart simpsons.
It's like making a sequel to marmaduke it's such a generic and simple setting that there is no reason not to just make a new troublesome dog setting unless you are trying to ride on the coattails of the original.
I mean you can say the same about any anime that has a sequel with the children of the previous cast, or any Dragon Ball series after Z. Besides, Hobbes and Bacon wasn't meant to be something long running
It's not the same because of all the lore and the mechanics of the powers but I get to the same conclusion and even more so for things like Boruto and DBZ. They are unnecessary they had plenty of room to explore those concepts and just filled it with pointless filler instead and ultimately rushed to a hasty ending when they started to lose popularity. Making a sequel is just pissing on the dead horse especially considering how generic the lore is.
As for Hobbes and Bacon not being something long running it's still a troublesome kid trope cartoon with Calvin attached to it for nostalgia farming. I mean most of the ones posted here have calvin on them. Also this is the only thing I ever seen posted about the author so he isn't known for much else. I really don't care much for the original or this one either but it does feel cheap.
I guess with Calvin, people always speculate about what ends up happening to him as he gets older.
While I'll grant the maker of it is probably nothing but well intentioned and sincere in their love of the original that's kind of where the problem lies. It feels like a tragic waste of effort and talent that should be spent creating their own work, perhaps in a similar vein, than just trying to carry over someone else's legacy.
Can we assume Calvin acts like a jerk because he has such a dim view on humanity?
Hobbes is the philosopher with the dim view on humanity. But to your question, many Calvinists are real jerks because they believe in predestination. They don't worry about being buttholes because they assume their salvation is preordained.
>one of my closest friends recently got really into Calvinism
So is Calvin doomed to never become a better person?
Ok the Bacon and Hobbes stuff was fine the first couple times but the cartoonists insistence to continue their fanfiction made it cringe. I’m with Waterson here that it’s pointless.
Like if it was just a once twice thing it might have been cute. But after a point you need to give it a rest. Fans always take things too far.
They made like four strips. The other ones are from Deviantart
Which is why DeviantArt should be regarded as “nope never not even once going into the trash” always and forever. Honestly posting DeviantArt on Cinemaphile should be as seen as cringe as admitting you’re from Reddit.
Quit while ahead, valued his privacy, pretty good
Why are people so against the idea of Calvin and Susie getting together as teens? It's not just that schizo, I've seen reddit b***h about the concept because it isn't realistic
People aren't against the idea so much as they're against morons who feel they need to make everything, including series about 6 year olds, about shipping. Just frick off.
How is it any worse from people shipping South Park characters together
He's racist
Against who?