What do you think about Frank Miller incorporating social and political commentary into his writing?
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What do you think about Frank Miller incorporating social and political commentary into his writing?
He's done it since day one?
I mean, those news reports which constantly tie the happenings in Gotham to the federal government culminating in Superman being sent to take him down are hard to miss, unless you're reading it in Snyder-mode.
Yeah. I know. He seems to get a pass whole other modern comics writer's don't on Cinemaphile.
If Trump's election was a subplot on Tom King or Zdarksy's Batman books we'd never forgive them
It worked with Born Again, TDKR and Give Me Liberty.
Nobody likes The Golden Child, and aside from a handful of contrarians, nobody likes Holy Terror.
what's wrong with holy terror?
Superheroes killing terrorists is bad if they look like real world terrorists and not like some Burger King Kids Club mix.
Killing terrorists is always going to look like the Authority because heroes will reach the realization that 80% of the problems the bombers have come from grievances stroked by the first world. Its also kind of boring just watching superman super garden.
I forgot about the burger King kids club. Holy shit. haha, a blast from the past.
From what I remember, it doesn't go anywhere.
It's a very watered-down Frank Miller writing-wise, and a blind-drunk Frank Miller art-wise. Some of the techniques are cool, but they're wasted on this throwaway not-Batman one-shot.
Most people who dislike holy terror call it racist and islamophobic. It was intended as a modern equivalent of ww2 war comics, with those narrative issues.
Nothing, it’s honestly just. 7/10 comic that happens to posit Muslims and Americans as equally bloodthirsty and fear driven.
>7/10 comic
A little high.
i like both
>Nobody likes The Golden Child
Golden Child was great, basically the only good Drumpf comic. Really nailed his speaking patterns.
Explain why you say this is good. All I see is yet another, by the numbers "Trump bad" narrative.
It's funny. It also predicted January 6th which is also funny in its own way. Putting Greta and batifa and all those libs saying "we are finally thinking for ourselves" as they all share the same npc beliefs is also unintentional humor that works for me.
The villains are cool too. Joker's great, the Joker underaged online troll army is close to the truth, and it has one of the best depictions of Darkseid as a force of nature who can never truly be defeated.
Is TDKR4 a thing now?
Cinemaphile is made up of mostly children or adults who are mentally children. Either way, they live in a fantasy world where comics are divided into two periods: "before 10 years ago" when nothing was political, and "since 10 years ago" where everything is political. They simply cannot comprehend that comics always had politics in them.
He said comics, not games.
Exactly
Bioshock may not have under stood Ayn Rand. But even then they at least showed the main faults were with Ryan himself and not the whole, libertarian ideology.
Ryan turned his back on his own principals as soon as he started losing popularity to an upstart businessman becoming the thing he hated.
Also the whole, banning bibles thing which actively denied personal choice and libertarianism is not really anti-religious? Just wary of large organization.
The sequel had stronger gameplay, more tonics and plasmids but a weaker story and the 'twist' didn't live up to the first one. But then kinda hard.
Lamb was kinda the opposite of Ryan, but in the end still the tyrant he was even if she denied it.
What was the twist in the second one? That your 'little sister' was all grown up?
Because I thought that was implied in, like, the first chapter.
The twist was that you started the game reviving in the vita chamber. Kinda weak and also I personally think that the decision to make the vita chambers a canon story thing in the first game was a misstep.
That wasn't a twist. There wasn't one.
Eh your little sister not being your daughter was kind of a twist
but yeah, they even shoved a twist into the DLC thanks to the people saying 2's shit thanks to missing a twist
They never presented it like she was. Very midwit-criticism.
I mean to be honest 2 didn't need a twist. It still feels like it's treated like a black sheep in the series yet honestly I think it's better in gameplay than one and infinite.
Maybe it's because I've got a soft spot for the game.
It is better but Levine's particular midwittery works better with midwits.
Odd, since I'm a midwit and I found the story for 2 a little lacking. Not terrible, sure but it wasn't super great. I get that they wanted a diametrically opposed antagonist to Ryan, and it's not a bad way to go for the sequel, but it feels like the first closed the door on rapture pretty well story wise and the way they tried to continue it felt odd. Again maybe the issue is I'm dense but it just felt disjointed from the first. Not that I was ever opposed to a sequel to the first but after the first game it seemed like Rapture was pretty close to gone. It always felt like the physical structure of the place was pretty close to complete catastrophic failure at any moment and yet the sequel is 8 years after the first?
Again I love BioShock 2 but man it feels like it tried to rewrite what happened in the first.
For me it was the ending. I felt cheated.
>pic
how does a family guy episode disprove that statement
There's a difference between entertainment that examines political positions the author dislikes and "entertainment" that's just relentlessly seething over politics and specific politicians the author hates.
>being a passive aggressive b***h
Not quite day one, but absolutely since 1985.
I'm a little suprised we haven't seen an attempt at a movie adaptation. Of course hollywood would frick it up. And possibly frank miller would too.
I also find it intersting that the industry treats frank miller as a far right pariah bigot because of his political shit.
Absolutely not. He's allowed to do it because he's sold so much shit in the past that they can't take him out economically. It's money, not skill.
>because he's sold so much
That's true. Current DC is largely built on his back
Also true. Every review I've seen or read points this out.
>I'm a little suprised we haven't seen an attempt at a movie adaptation.
Thats because there isn't a hot ginger girl to race swap into a fat ugly Black person lesbian.
It's really subtle
Give Me Liberty is a great comic.
Goddamn masterpiece
It's alright m
DC has a lot of villains don't they? Why compare Trump to the Joker? Doesn't seem like a great comparison.
Frank Miller had to shit on Trump, because of the homosexual Andy Khouri. Khouri was quite open about abusing his position as a major editor at DC to wholesale BLACKBALL creators like Frank Miller, Chuck Dixon, and Ethan Van Sciver along with a bunch of lesser known journeymen artists and writers from getting work at DC during his reign of terror, all the while hiring a dozen sexual predators to work at DC all because the sexual predators had the "correct" political views.
>b. 1980
How does someone so young miraculously get the power to blackball industry veterans?
Ethan Van Sciver pretty much went off the deep end and does regular streams shitting on DC and the diverse employees working at DC , so I imagine no one there really likes him.
Chuck Dixon said a bunch of anti-LGBT stuff , so I doubt any major corporation that isn't explicitly right wing will ever hire him.
Its not a case of these guys getting blackballed by one guy, but them making themselves radioactive.
publishers have always hated veterans
Keep in mind Jim Shooter's policy of always letting Steve ditko and Herb Trimpe have jobs no matter what was considered an unprecedented courtesy.
Because The Joker is pure eeeeeevvviiiillllll and a clown who hates everything good and only wants to watch the world burn and Trump is pure eeeeeevvvviiillllll and a clown who hates everything good and only wants to watch the world burn
It was funny when Nolan used Joker as his perfect terrorist strawman in Dark Knight
>America’s enemies have no logical reason for hating us, they’re just evil insane clowns who hate all the pure heroic selfless goodness we stand for. Anyone who resists Western Civilisation just wants to watch the world burn for sport.
Nolan wasn't making some grand statement about anyone other than the Joker, a comic book character.
People have been trying to make that stretch that TDK is about the war on terror since it came out, on both sides.
All of Nolan’s films are like that though. He’s humorously pro-american government and pro-police state
I missed this entirely in Memento and The Prestige.
>What do you think about Frank Miller incorporating social and political commentary into his writing?
>Casual doesn't know about Holy Terror
>Or Regan and Superman in the Dark Knight Returns
>Or the entirety of Martha Wilson
He always has but terminally online morons who for the first time in their lives have a "their guy" can't handle people on the other side shitting on him, Trump ain't special. We all get to that point in our lives, though from the way things seem to be less and less of us are growing out to that phase
Not to my taste. He can do what he wants, but if I feel very strongly that he is wrong, I can't enjoy it.
He somehow handles it better than most people in the last decade, despite the endless whining about Golden Child on here
Are you serious? Have you read Holy Terror. Dude is the embodiment of fear politics. His takes are shit and it's proven by that the more politics he inserts into his comics the worse they get.
I don't think Frank Miller really qualifies as "fear politics", he's not openly dogmatic. Rather it is kneejerk politics.
>Reagan is the government? I HATE THE GOVERNMENT! Superman is a slave of the government! Batman is a cool vigilante that does what the government is too corrupt to do. :^)
>Terrorists blew up Twin Towers? REEEE I HATE MUSLIM TERRORISTS! I will make comic where many terrorists die. Hahaha, take that, bin Laden! >:)
>DRUMPF? I HATE DRUMPF! JOKER IS DRUMPF!
This isn't any coherent political ideology, this is someone who is just reacting to what he sees on TV. It's almost stream of consciousness.
That is pretty much exactly what fear politics is. An uninformed person who reacts wildly from things seen on TV.
So funny to think he didn’t do that until 2016. How dumb can you be
Miller is allowed to do it because he's an actual good writer. Or used to be anyway.
Same kind of license as Alan Moore. Once you reach the highest pinnacle of skill, normal rules no longer apply to you.
>hurr Joker is always on the side of my political enemies
It was cringe when Joker supported the Iranians "for the luz XD", and it's cringe here.
I don't care that much. I've noticed that the people who hate it are the ones that love it when it's done in line with their political beliefs. As long as it's done well. Which is pretty rare. Even those with beliefs that I would agree with frick it up often.
Why was TDKR Joker alive?
Carrie says it's just some drug addict but as far as Miller's concerned Joker can never die for good.
He’s not particularly good at it and I don’t respect him enough as a writer or person to consider it more than “wow that subplot was bad”.
People mad that even though frank miller may have gone down in quality, he's still much better than most the crap out there.
it was good.
I think it's funny that he's an old man and old folks homes are staffed exclusively with hateful third worlders who will thank him for letting them in by abusing him.
He's a moronic boomer
I think everyone who doesn't think like me should have a bullet in their skulls. Death to democracy and the non-white, I'm done with different people and different opinions. You're all awful.
he's better at it than pretty much any average shitlib
Looks silly
>so I was a foreign agent in Burma trying to destroy local governments so a British puppet dictator would rule and serve England
>and there was this local warlord who was specifically opposed to our government and didn’t want to cede all power to be ruled by foreigners
>so I took an indigenous israeliteel from his own country, and gave it to him, so he would like, go away
>but then I came back
>and the guy didn’t even dissolve his entire military, abdicate as leader, drop his politics, surrender autonomy, his people, his land, and probably religious purpose as a counter-imperial warlord protecting his culture and people, to the British government
>it made no sense
>like what the frick it made no sense
>I’m still freaking out about it actually
>ah well he must be a NIHILISTIC SATANIST who JUST WANTS TO WATCH THE WORLD BURN
>so we fricking torched em all to death.
>that’s exactly what this Joker fellow is, he hates police and he hates the government because the state is good and he is evil
You're filtering a monologue meant to explain why a goofy comic book character is acting like a goofy comic book character in Nolan's super-serious super-realistic world through your own politics.
So?
why would Darkseid time up with the Joker?