The head of paramount just said they are currently doing better because of the strike and not having anything in production.
They have infinite leverage
>The head of paramount just said
And you're just gonna trust him?
The same moron that built a flaming dumpster fire of a sinking ship of a streaming service?
You're just gonna trust him?
>not understanding trendlines
anyway, even if studios can sit contently with their existing IP/media for decades (which they cant/wont), the writers are asking for extremely reasonable percentages.
writers dont need to work in hollywood, Hollywood needs writers to persist.
they have no leveraging power
you're talking about an industry that notoriously fires people once the project is done, and now you have to find new work while signaling to everyone that you're a scab who works for crumbs. Only the filthiest pajeet with his AI prompter will agree to that, and you think that will make entertainment more... entertaining?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah writing fanfiction for a living is so hard. Cry me a river. Millions of people would trade their legs for a Hollywood writing position at 10% of the pay that these out of touch ivory-tower California israelites are getting.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>10% >25k
Stay the hell away from hollywood you pajeet you'll ruin the bobs and venge joke
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh no!
Anyway.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What the frick do you expect once a project is finished? That you remain on a payroll despite the show being over and done with? You don't have a permanent contract, you work project to project and some people make it and many don't because there's too many of you who think they can do the same work for a lower price and that's what Hollywood then expects. I agree the whole streaming thing is bad but that's a whole different subject, but to start complaining how you're out of work when a project ends is just bullshit because that same thing happens in plenty of commercial jobs and sadly to say just like the SFX branch everyone ruined it for themselves by being a cuck at the negotiation table by saying they will do it for cheaper because they're scared the next guy will otherwise get picked who does the exact same thing.
People who have literally no understanding of running a business (ie redditors) will look at those numbers and think to themselves "this is an outrage". Meanwhile they literally don't understand how much of their revenue needs to be allocated to various expenses. They think revenue = profit. People this dumb should not even be participating in adult society. But alas, here we are.
People who have literally no understanding of running a business (ie redditors) will look at those numbers and think to themselves "this is an outrage". Meanwhile they literally don't understand how much of their revenue needs to be allocated to various expenses. They think revenue = profit. People this dumb should not even be participating in adult society. But alas, here we are.
Whenever a dumbass posts stupid shit like this it shows they haven’t done even enough research to understand the subject at a high school level. Why should anyone stand with someone so willingly stupid?
That's going to be true even if these writers are producing amazing shows. We know that Forrest Gump, Star Wars, Harry Potter, The Shawshenk Redemtpion, etc. were all massively unprofitable ventures according to the studios.
>writers dont need to work in hollywood, hollywood needs writers to persist.
they have no leveraging power
How delusional are you? Millions of people would fight for the chance to be a writer in Hollywood. The writers are easily replaceable.
>Millions of people would fight for the chance to be a writer in Hollywood.
This is why I've never tried. Better to just throw my stuff out on Kindle and at least get some beer money.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I've never understood people trying to make it as writers, if you aren't writing something to shoot on your own, a comedian trying to break into a sitcom writers room, or an established prose or comics writer, you're ice skating uphill
Of course he wolud say that. Paramount owns a failing streaming service offering Star Trek and a Halo show that was so shit that it simply bombed and was forgotten, not even made fun of in memes. They are suffering now, regardless of what they say.
Everyone was churning out loos-making shit while bringing in little.
Now they're just bringing in little without making shit.
Sure, it's not sustainable forever, but in the short term most people won't even notice.
I had to tap into my 401k during th covid money scam, in which I had to pay a frick ton of taxes on the next year's tax return. But these writers and actors just mocked people like me while singing gay John Lennon songs in their mansions.
yeah I'm a leaf and poor so I don't know about any of that saving or investment shit but yeah, COVID fricked up my shit royally too and I was just recovering, until the ground shifted again a month or so ago. Things should get going again but its not a guarantee and it's down to the line soon. Couldn't give a shit about the entertainment industry either anymore even as a distraction, they make nothing but shit anyway
A 401k is just a retirement account. Almost every employer in the US provides it, but you're not supposed to take it out until you're like 60, so they penalize the frick out of you if you take it out earlier.
They still don't really care that there are tens of thousands of truckers out of work now that one of the largest trucking companies folded and this is after they spend a year trying to depict striking truckers as inbred terrorists just for wanting job security.
congratulations. im just piece of shit college dropout and work hard labour. still make good money when the joint is actually fricking running. being laid off sucks
Yes I have to leave the country kek
I don't really care though, I'm starting to miss Europe and grow tired of PNW liberal women and their stupid septum rings.
Buy a van it's the comfiest life ever and you can save up so much money working out of it. Traveled all over in mine after getting tired of hitchhiking and hopping trains.
AI is really only worthwhile if you can host your own models. There are always going to be people too dumb to use a command line, so the people that can generate content can sell them on their own. Studios will have the best models, of course, but they'll also be more restrictive.
I'm so glad the studios didn't cave to these talentless, bohemian homosexuals. Break the WGA and bring in some fresh, new blood. Studios should have a new set of unspoken rules to not hire >anybody with blue/green/pink/etc hair >any woman over 200 lbs >any black or mulatta woman >any israeli woman >any man wearing a graphic t-shirt >anybody with a reddit account >anybody who identifies as a gender they weren't born with >anybody with TDS visible on their social media accounts
Maybe, maybe not. What we do know now is that the studios have actually been forced to hire from a specific pool of spiteful mutants who have written nothing but garbage for the last 10 or so years. Maybe they see this and that's why they aren't caving to the WGA again. It doesn't seem like they are particularly concerned about losing this pool of writers.
you have a pretty blinkered view of reality, I must say.
The writers and actors just think there's a hidden gold mine from streaming for some reason. They're in for a hard anal fricking when they learn those services actually aren't very efficient and the proliferation for years, ever since Google bought Youtube, has been more about cornering market share of users than material profit.
That's probably one of the reasons Bob Iger says it's not a good time to try negotiating over the money.
For the boss, it's never a good time to negotiate about money, unless it's to give you less, lol.
I mean I get we all hate femqueerx enby dramas made exclusively for Quiby+, but are people really gullible enough to think that the studio heads aren't all a bunch of lying snake who have been feeding people slop for years?
>but are people really gullible enough to think that the studio heads aren't all a bunch of lying snake who have been feeding people slop for years?
The studio execs are egg head Boomers who went to accounting schools. They are not "artists" and do not see themselves as such. This idea that the studio execs and shareholders are the ones who actually came up with all of this genderqueer and various libtard shit is such a laughable cope, I can't believe you WGA shills are still running with it here.
Look at this fricking beaut right here. Do you really think xhe was having these moronic ideas forced upon xer by fricking Bob Iger? Give it a rest.
>Do you really think xhe was having these moronic ideas forced upon xer by fricking Bob Iger?
Without Bob Iger, this sack of shit wouldn't have a job.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Without Bob Iger, this sack of shit wouldn't have a job.
Bro. They are literally FORCED to hire xer because of the fricking union. What do you not understand about this concept?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Bullshit. This shit is mandated from boardroom level.
https://impact.disney.com/diversity-inclusion/
9 months ago
Anonymous
>47% employees were "people of color" in 2022
So they're far less white than America itself. Neat.
9 months ago
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Oops forget pic
9 months ago
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>47% of US employees are non-white
So in other words, they're anti-white and discriminate against white people.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well that explains a lot
9 months ago
Anonymous
>47% non-white
and they're likely counting israelites as white in this, the reality is it's a lot lower
9 months ago
Anonymous
Okay. That is their mandate, and we could certainly discuss how HR departments are just as useless and wasteful as the writing departments. But that doesn't change the fact that the studios are forced to hire WGA writers, and this is the pool of writers they are being forced to hire from.
The problem is, and this is the big secret that nobody talks about, the studios aren't making any money on streaming either. You really think they're writing off shows that cost millions of dollars to create because they don't want to pay some homosexual writer a couple thousand every few months? It's because they're losing so much money creating all this content that is giving them such miniscule income because they've fricked themselves on the audience/service fee math and there's no way to fix it. They're killing off all these shows and giving the middle finger to the writers because they're in do or die mode where they have to save every single cent because they've realised that streaming is a black hole that sucks up all the money and they can salvage some of it through tax shenanigans and fricking the writers.
>they've fricked themselves on the audience/service fee math and there's no way to fix it.
If everyone had just kept licensing their shit out to Netflix, it would have been better for everyone. But no. The studios wanted to try and muscle in and worry about monetization later. Well, it's later!
9 months ago
Anonymous
the answer is simple albeit counter intuitive. they need to slash prices so low that people dont even think about the cost. lock it to one device and charge $0.99 a month. would have billions of subs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Disney did something similar with the initial Disney+ rollout, bundling it with phone plans so people would get hooked. I think most streamers have reached their saturation equilibrium already.
>the studios aren't making any money on streaming
They can't go back to the old ways either with the home media like DVDs or Blu-rays or TV syndication. Regular audience are eschewing the old routine and now sticking to the streaming method because it's too convenient for them. I think Hollywood are in quite a pickle at the moment.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They're phasing out physical media too. Why bother pressing DVD and blu ray discs if everyone should be subscribed? Only now that they're getting rid of their content, there's no physical media for customers to purchase either. Which means more people sailing the high seas for their shows now.
The writers win after a year and 3 months when all the big studios run out of shit to spew on the masses with while all the in progress stuff is halted due to the strike with SAG
Hopefully it will help them secretly put these rules in
China will probably start doing that and claiming international movie rights just to spite the US even if it makes them lose money the US would have lost more
We'll just have to watch older shows and movies.
There's an extensive backlog of good stuff going back years and years. I'd wager most of it is better than anything in the current year anyway.
So, we rediscover old kino. It will be a golden age.
I just jizzed to this WebM
FAQ >What does this mean?
It means that 1) Semen left my penis 2) Prior to semen leaving my penis, I was rubbing my penis 3) During the rubbing of my penis, I was looking at the WebM that you posted >What were the circumstances leading up to the ejaculation?
Leading upto the ejaculation I was wearing a glove on my hand. This is because I have warts on my hand, and I don't want to get warts on my penis. >Why did you do this?
When I clicked the WebM you posted, I felt horny enough and I decided to jerk off to it. >Does this make me gay?
No. Despite the fact that you helped a man ejaculate, you are not gay, because you did so unwittingly. >Does this make you a rapist?
Yes. You helped me cum, and I did not ask for your consent before hand, which makes me a rapist. >How do you manage to ejaculate by just looking at a single short WebM? Do you just watch it in loop, and if so for how long?
Yes, I watch it in a short loop. The duration of time I spend watching the video loop is based on how long it takes me before that sweet sweet milk spills.
Hollywood will make some concessions (no residuals though) and at the same time it will massively thin the herd because a lot of the writers on strike are simply untalented/easily replaceable.
I don't get it, disregarding A.I. and alternative methods, what's to prevent new "talent" from taking the striker's places. Like if you're some random writer from Ohio with an opportunity, are you really gonna give a shit about whatever this strike is about? Which brings me to my next question;
What the frick is this strike about? I know it has something to do with wages, but is there a legitimate complaint or is it just "writers" who do the work of borderline interns and are lucky to be compensated at all complaining, or what? Who are these writers specifically? Because I get the impression it's largely uncredited people who wrote one line of utilitarian dialogue for an episode of House getting angry they don't get 25% royalties for that episode's monthly streams.
I mean you're not seein' Taylor Sheridan or The Coen Brothers on the boulevard, are you? You know, legitimate filmmakers who aren't exclusively jobbers.
Writers think they can shame potential scabs but fail to realize old school unions could only maintain a picket line via mob enforcement (ie broken legs)
Writers getting underpaid by Neflix producers. No new writers want to scab because the Neflix producers don't provide enough money to be worth their time, either.
I assume 70% of that is gone after taxes and living close to the studios but then again 75k after that seems pretty good
Unless they are morons who like spending triple figures daily on eating out which they do
They even still go out to bars with each other which is just draining their savings.
Of course these are probably the rich ones who only write because they like adding to shows.
The broke ones probably already have another job that they will drop the second things go back to normal
>what's to prevent new "talent" from taking the striker's places. Like if you're some random writer from Ohio with an opportunity, are you really gonna give a shit about whatever this strike is about?
They realized this conundrum very soon into the strike and the SAG (actors union) had to come to their rescue and are refusing to work with any writer not in the WGA (writers union). The problem is, nobody really cares about this either since there are no movie stars under the age of 60 anymore, and the new of actors are all pretty terrible in their own right. It's a pretty big reality slap in the face of these sheltered bohemian fricktards. Imagine being told how special you are while marketing departments inflate your unwarranted ego, only to realize the country (and world at large) could not give a single frick about your supposed "craft".
Image have so little foresight to be a scab.
Did you know cops machine gunned some worker protests in the 1910s and 1920 in the U.S. territories? Just so the owners in their mansions could keep sipping their brandy, and you want to get down and lick that classes boot.
This Black person sips Starbucks and types up his homosexual propaganda on a MacBook and thinks he isn't exactly the same class as the studio executives
>1910s and 1920
Stfu, homosexual. This gay Hollywood b***h fit isn't even close to comparable to what was going on back then. Completely irrelevant post.
I don’t really give a shit about your weird union LARP and pointing to stuff from over 100 years ago. Honestly hilarious if you think pampered LA writers have anything in common with factory workers from the early 20th century and the rights they fought for.
Also, for a lot of people it isn’t boot licking. I’d consider writing simply to put my ideas out into the universe for others to (hopefully) enjoy. Art for the sake of art.
Its a catch-22 >netflix isn't paying its writers enough and cucking them out of residuals because streaming does not equal tv >the writers aren't making good enough material to earn the extra money
Its just all blatant political shit and rich/pretty people hate rolled up into an episode idea that is old and used to hell and back
The reason why new writers don't just come scab is because they will be permanently banned from ever joining the writers guild so that means all the big studios CAN'T HIRE THEM and will be socially outcasted so even other non-union writers won't work with them so now you are unhireable for trying to work with a company that won't pay you enough to be worth it
>most studios now make most of their revenue from streaming services >most of their upcoming films have already been produced >most people nowadays watch whatever content they want and don't really give a shit about new shows
The studios have practically all the leverage here. They can just wait until the writers run out of cash and beg for their jobs back at that point they'll start massively thinning the herd as they have no intention of returning to normal
If streaming services don't get new shit consistently they lose a lot a subscribers
Places like D+ have already lost a shit ton even when putting in new shit.
>If streaming services don't get new shit consistently they lose a lot a subscribers >Places like D+ have already lost a shit ton even when putting in new shit.
And even the new shit isn't safe from being deplatformed or outright deleted for tax write offs, licensing fees, and yes, to cut royalty payments.
https://www.nbcnews.com/media/streaming-services-remove-tons-movies-shows-rcna86656
eventually they'll only have the best 10 ips and soon lose copyright in our lifetimes
We honestly might see the complete rollover of entertainments as we know it with new studios rolling out new models of entertainment starting with shorter seasons which closer mimic movies and some being so episodic that you couldn't tell the difference between the first and last episode of a season
Honestly, we might get to the point where people just rent out a data cluster just to generate movies on demand via AI. Hell, the studios would probably do it first with their own models. Pop fiction as we know it might be in its final days.
By then it'll be too late
No one will be able to profit because everyone will be to interested in the idea Logan Paul thought up while taking a shit
All e-celebs will get the views and revenue while everyone else with a decent idea will drown in the sea of shitty AI films
Luckily by then you won't care and would prefer making entertainment strictly for yourself and maybe post it on here too
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lol I don't watch ecelebs now and it's not going to change when I can make my own entertainment.
I’d scab for sure
Don’t care about being blacklisted.
I make half a mil a year in software development.
It would be nice to have a writers credit to my name though.
>most studios now make most of their revenue from streaming services >most of their upcoming films have already been produced >most people nowadays watch whatever content they want and don't really give a shit about new shows
The studios have practically all the leverage here. They can just wait until the writers run out of cash and beg for their jobs back at that point they'll start massively thinning the herd as they have no intention of returning to normal
The 07 strike led to thousands of people getting laid off and that was still during the golden age of television. When this strike ends with the writers having to make concessions, they'll probably just dismantle the entire WGA for good and cancel a shit ton of shows
In 07 they went into the strike with network television being pretty good, and came out with cable being the best it's ever been. Going into this strike, network television is boomer filler shit, cable is on it's deathbed, and streaming is more or less doa. There's no way anything good comes out of the other side of this.
She needs to go to the next step, made an only fans account,at first show her boobs for a stupid vegan cause, then you will see her sucking 2 wieners and cashing $$$$ out while the jobless left wing buttholes actors are working on Starbucks
I'm so proud of both the strikers and production companies for not cucking 1 inch for each other. This means my fantasy of Total Hollywood Death is marginally closer to reality.
I legitimately cannot remember the last tv show or film I’ve watched that could be argued as a masterpiece or even exceptional, and I’d hazard to guess that even normalgays are starting to feel the same, they primarily subsisted off of capeshit and for them capeshit was finished with endgame. Now that they’re sick of capeshit they’ve tried to look at other media and have likely realized how awful and oozed everything is. Despite what social media would lead you to believe, the average normalBlack person is not nearly as accepting of troony dragtime stories and Black personification of white characters as redditors are
I loved Raised by Wolves and I think one more season and it would have gone mainstream but alas… anyway yeah I mostly agree. Nothing feels like it has soul or even really reflect our times or the moment or rebels against it in any way,
Their problems are insurmountable. People over 30 know what good movies and TV are like, and they know what's getting pumped out now is shit and they aren't watching. People under 30 don't care about movies and TV and aren't watching.
I can't see the studio caving to any of the writers' demands. The only thing that might help them is if they team up with the actors.
The actors have a some sway but the age of the movie star is over.
Even Tom Cruise who most people think is the last movie star, had an okay amount come in for his Mission Impossible film.
Younger generations care more about ecelebs and gaming than most things Hollywood puts out.
The actors already went on strike last month and the studios still don't give a frick. They already produced most of this and next years movies so they don't really need them for at least a few more months
The writers and actors just think there's a hidden gold mine from streaming for some reason. They're in for a hard anal fricking when they learn those services actually aren't very efficient and the proliferation for years, ever since Google bought Youtube, has been more about cornering market share of users than material profit.
That's probably one of the reasons Bob Iger says it's not a good time to try negotiating over the money.
I'm tempted to just throw some money at elevenlabs and runwayml to make it, but I think I'll work on the script more and let the movie tech improve a bit more first.
There are already a ton of software out there you can use for free
I remember watching a Ai song cover and they shilled a discord where everyone posts models of all sorts of people with some of them turning out really good
You don't have to talk to them I just go and download new models every so often and the best part is that they want you to credit them so when you don't because why would you there will always be a bit of seethe
Torture porn movies like Elisha Cuthbert’s Captivity is where it’s going to be at.
Once I can direct a 10 hour long AI-made labor of love staring Alex Daddario’s analogue, zip ties, and a head-sized plastic bag, I doubt other media will interest me again.
I'm hoping the writers lose here not because I like the higher up types but because I think modern writers haven't really earned their position and those that have will be successful no matter what, if you wipe out all these union brats then we can get a new generation of writers that deserve the pay rather than all the countless useless diversity hires at the moment, I'd prefer both sides be screwed but in the end the rich are gonna stay powerful
>but in the end the rich are gonna stay powerful
Unless, of course, they're forced to reveal their actual viewership numbers, in which case shareholders are going to shit.
If things really are as bad as I think, the guild will want to keep those numbers out of the public eye as well. Otherwise, they're not going to have much of a share of nothing.
Let's say it's true.
If we assume most of the streaming shows are losing money. How are the writers' guild going to explain the lack of money for their members?
Just blame the studios even though they're also lying?
What I don’t understand is what changed since the previous writers strike? I’m the previous strike studios were pretty fricked and so many productions got affected.
But now? The studios are just going “frick it, we will starve them out”. This was inconceivable beforehand, but now it’s ok and some are even profiting from it? wtf happened?? Has Opposite Day become permanent?
>what changed
Streaming. The quality of writing. The fact that Hollywood is literally dying because of the internet and video games. Hollywood and network TV are dinosaur media. Going the way of the horse and buggy. Hell, do you have seen kids lately. They legitimately have about a 5 minute max attention span. Movies cannot survive after the millenial generation.
The internet and videogames didn't have all that much impact on movies, yes there was a downward trend but it was slight and had been going on for decades.
COVID completely tanked the cinema and it looks like it's leveled out at about 60% of the usual ticket sales per head of population, which had been quite steady for decades.
>and some are even profiting from it?
They're saving $100 million here or there. While also losing several hundred mil in revenue. There's no real net gain here, and even if the studios want to sit on their heels, they're still going to have to weather the storm since shareholders are going to want to see subscriber counts go up, but that only happens with fresh content. Content that isn't being made due to the strikes, and will bite them in the ass if the strikes take too long, as subscribers drop the services that go stale, and it'll take them forever to spool up production again. Meanwhile, talent may leave the industry altogether, including and especially the people that work on the behind the scenes nuts and bolts type stuff. People besides the actors and writers need to make a living as well, and if they step away, from the industry, there's not going to be as many hands putting things back together.
If subscribers don't give a shit about the quality of the content and just want content for the sake of it, then you don't really need writers. Just fire up ChatGPT or go find some YouTuber and give him a budget for a shitty reality show.
I wonder if the networks will trade old, forgotten shows with each other. Imagine if netflix gets pete and Pete from viacom in exchange for stranger things syndication or something.
YouTubers are making their own money. Studios would only be able to afford bottom of the barrel nobodies at best. As for reality shows, well... https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/bethenny-frankel-reality-union-strike-1235674531/
>shareholders are going to want to see subscriber counts go up, but that only happens with fresh content.
I think the biggest show on Netflix right now is Suits, which ended four years ago. >including and especially the people that work on the behind the scenes nuts and bolts type stuff. People besides the actors and writers need to make a living as well
I have a feeling most of those tech folks have scripts of their sitting at home they're desperate to show to somebody
They lost both of those shows. Netflix is obviously artificially pushing Suits because they've got a relationship with Meghan Markle, but it's working, people started watching it.
>I think the biggest show on Netflix right now is Suits, which ended four years ago.
Viewership=/=new subscribers. >I have a feeling most of those tech folks have scripts of their sitting at home they're desperate to show to somebody
And the studios probably have a giant stockpile at the office, but unless they want to AI animate it, they're stuck waiting for the actors, at least.
>unless they want to AI animate it
of course they want that
one dude already made a shitty AI feature by himself with a $100 budget, you think they don't want in on that once a reasonably marketable product is viable using it?
>of course they want that
And they're going to get it. The technology still has a few years of development before it's ready for primetime. They can shit something out now, but it's going to be very avant guarde and experimental. Meanwhile, current demands by the unions regarding AI aren't likely to halt studio progress on development and training. Cat's pretty much out of the bag. But they might settle for a bigger cut should their likenesses or work be used for training.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh man I cannot wait for actors to be replaced by robots, or AI generated actors.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm going to miss paparazzi photos and loose red carpet dresses. Though I guess paps will just follow tiktok and youtubers more.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The paps will go out of business too. I love it. Why would you need actual celebs to thirst over when you'll have bizarre /d/ creatures slurping down your wiener in VR? Porn is going to get so crazy that even pornstars will become irrelevant.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Do we even have any true pornstars these days? Feels like Onlyfans has supplanted them, and even then it's a samey morass of flavors of the week.
>I think the biggest show on Netflix right now is Suits, which ended four years ago.
Viewership=/=new subscribers. >I have a feeling most of those tech folks have scripts of their sitting at home they're desperate to show to somebody
And the studios probably have a giant stockpile at the office, but unless they want to AI animate it, they're stuck waiting for the actors, at least.
>shareholders are going to want to see subscriber counts go up, but that only happens with fresh content.
They can just buy Korean, Indian, Canadian, New Zealandian and British shows.
Netflix picking it up is the reason RRR got an Oscar. People wouldn't have seen it otherwise. Anons don't get how normies just pull up Netflix and push play on whatever's on the home screen, they watch whatever gets put in front of them
Different landscape dude. 2007-2008 was fricking blu-ray/DVD in the mail if you wanna watch something you didn't already own or wasn't on TV already.
Breitbart's a sanctimonious shithole but there was a good article about how much dinosaur media back on TV is not profitable but which gets to piggyback via cable TV packages and streaming services. It's not a meritocracy in other words. And the people on those shows are expecting a cut of the pie that something like Friends or the Office is really bringing in the eyeballs of. But if streaming services revealed viewercount for specific shows it would horrify investors who would blanche and pull back investment seeing how abysmal so many of these recent projects are.
In any case it's a pox on both your houses, though I have the mildest sympathies more for actors and writers because they aren't suit shits. But they're still frickers, so whereas with UPS or other essential workers I'm happy to see them doing well (especially as it can push up salaries elsewhere - if UPS or whatever will pay you well then other industries need to pay better to stop hemorrhaging) with this it could go for the studios or the actors and I'd not care either way.
pretty funny how easy it was to get rid of the strikers at universal, just trimming some trees. these people apparently can't walk around in a hat. if this was as a legitimate cause and not just a mere money grabbing scheme, they wouldn't give up just because of no shade
Homeless would have some interesting stories, perspectives, or met some colorful people that would translate to great characters. All of these modern writers all get churned out by the same schools and lead the same boring life of upper middle class mediocrity.
Hollywood will invest everything on AI doing all the writing for them, which will probably work since 95% of major movies these days could easily have been written by AI with how derivative they are.
Hollywood realizes they were only losing money on making new material and already have over 100 years of good material to repackage for modern audiences. No new films until AI writing is perfected.
It's more profitable for streamers to outright DELETE brand new shows from their catalog and throw them into the abyss for a tax break than it is to maintain them on their platform. What the frick does that tell you?
Couldnt care less. Sarah Gadon is Canadian and not in SAG. She just released 2 movies in consecutive weeks, and she has 3 more movies premiering at festivals in September. She's been going on talkshows to promote them and will be on the red carpet at the festivals. She also finished writing the screenplay for the movie she will direct soon. She's doing this while all the talentless Hollywood hacks are jobless
The studios are probably trying to outlast the unions, but they'll probably do some lukewarm "deal" to end the strike so they can reap some good PR in a month or two when the summer movie season is over. Not that I really care since I rarely even watch movies made before the year 2020 and still have a massive backlog of kino to see.
It really won't though. It'll only frick up the film and TV industries. Even then not as badly as they've fricked themselves by using these writers and actors
>It'll only frick up the film and TV industries.
Which has already had massive ripple effects throughout Los Angeles. Probably Atlanta too, considering how much filming happens there now. But L.A. is more of a studio town, so yeah.
I can only speak anecdotally, but my work used to get a lot of traffic from movie stars, producers, PAs, directors, composers, you name it. Now, it's fricking dead, and my hours have been slashed. As it is, I'm hoping to get an interview at In & Out.
9 months ago
Anonymous
OK and what industry are you now leaving that is affected by this?
Ando music industrias as well, Hollywood ando Los Angeles mejor labels are the same thing.
If thia shit gets shoot, don't expect anything but AI rap in the radio for the next decade
Studios are going to cancel any exclusive contracts or projects they deemed too expensive, under the guise of using the strike as an excuse. In fact they're already doing that in some cases, and some people believe the strike was goaded on to make this possible.
Nothing. Even the most israelitepilled, BlackRock wienersuckers can see nobody wants what these people are producing. AI will replace them then hopefully everyone can generate custom content. No support for strikers here
I've been sort of passively pursuing a screenwriting career for the past couple of years, and I'm not sure how to feel about this strike. I mostly do script-doctoring, so I can say at least the common industry hacks think I have some spark. But I'm not a israelite so they're going to keep me side-lined and manageable.
I've been studying AI though... where are the job listings for AI designer for screenplays? I'm so ready to contribue to the collapse of this field.
>where are the job listings for AI designer for screenplays?
There probably won't be, to be honest. They're more likely to hire an AI manager and development team, and then once the tools are in place just have an intern pretty up whatever the AI shits out.
The majority of new stuff that comes out on Netflix is Asian, some of which is OK, but Disney+ has absolutely nothing. I have no idea what anyone could be watching now.
Top Gun and others were delayed, but released right away to recoup losses, some were even sent to streaming. There's no real pre-covid backlog studios could draw upon.
>be entertainment "journalist" >job is to write about the happenings in the entertainment industry; mostly hollywood >bitches on strike >nothing is happening >nobody doing anything >WELL GUYS, BELOVED READER, ARE YOU READY FOR THE NEWS?! >NOTHING CHANGED, NOTHING IS HAPPENING, PLEASE READ MY 1000 WORDS ARTICLE AND CLICK ON MY LINKS >EVEN THO IT'S JUST EMPTY CONJECTURE >I NEED TO TYPE THESE WORDS EVEN THO I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY! >THAT'S WHY I'M INCLUDING A RECAP OF THE LAST 3 MONTHS >PLEASE READ IT >OH GOD PLEASE READ IT
Serious question:
When do I, the man in the street, start to feel any impact from this?
Other than the endless slew of tone-deaf and overly dramatic news articles I’ve had to endure, everything else feels pretty much the same.
Neither better nor worse.
Disney still intends to release another Black person princess movie this year so things aren’t really improving yet, but they’re not noticeably worse either
>When do I, the man in the street, start to feel any impact from this?
Unless you work in tertiary industries, you'll probably notice around spring, when more foreign stuff and reality TV fills in the gap in production. That's a guarantee at this point. Whether anything will be ready by next fall is anyone's guess. But your instant rerun service is otherwise unlikely to change, unless they throw more shows into the vault to save on licensing and royalties.
Literally every single israelitewood writer can be replaced by GPT. >computer, write me propaganda promoting homosexuality and white guilt, then base a story on said propaganda
Every single person in this thread has breaks, vacations, and 40 hour weeks because of unions and your great-grandfathers setting factories on fire for being buttholes about it.
Nothing
I hope they all get fired and all the studios shut down
The world would be a better place if they never made anything new ever again and everyone had to watch old films
This fricking leftie cope again.
Bunch of dinduffins who brazenly deny their own horseshit the second they need pick me up from people they shat on moments ago.
Hollywood is probably using the strikes as an excuse to terminate contracts with the activist cabal. Of course, modern Hollywood is modern Hollywood, so they won't acknowledge and act on the actual warning signs that you're dealing with a talentless activist and they'll also bet too heavily on AI. Investors would need to get involved and begin aggressively cleaning out the generic slimy BlackRock executive sorts in order for this to actually fix these companies.
BTW, I wouldn't get too hyped about the death of Hollywood. It's more likely that they'll be bailed out and turned into a zombie industry. That's the price of buying into big government propaganda that pretends like a giant machine fueled by forcibly seized funds somehow increases accountability to the public compared to people being allowed to choose who they economically associate with.
Likely, smaller studios will not refuse the demands, leading to them being the only ones who will be able to go into productions. The big studios will then likely leave the production market entirely or cave.
They are publicly listed companies so at some point they will be pressured to resume making money. The state of California is already eager to see the strikes resolved.
death and misery for everyone hopefully
well i mean those are a given already
studios will give in, they have to or they will perish
they have no leveraging power
The head of paramount just said they are currently doing better because of the strike and not having anything in production.
They have infinite leverage
>Infinite Blackrock money vs the coffers of a union
Gee I wonder which will break first
>The head of paramount just said
And you're just gonna trust him?
The same moron that built a flaming dumpster fire of a sinking ship of a streaming service?
You're just gonna trust him?
> You're just gonna trust him?!!!
Yes. Because Paramount+ just hit 61 million subscribers and over a billion dollars in revenue.
While you continue to be wrong. About everything.
>not understanding trendlines
anyway, even if studios can sit contently with their existing IP/media for decades (which they cant/wont), the writers are asking for extremely reasonable percentages.
writers dont need to work in hollywood, Hollywood needs writers to persist.
they have no leveraging power
Or they could just hire non-union writers.
you're talking about an industry that notoriously fires people once the project is done, and now you have to find new work while signaling to everyone that you're a scab who works for crumbs. Only the filthiest pajeet with his AI prompter will agree to that, and you think that will make entertainment more... entertaining?
Yeah writing fanfiction for a living is so hard. Cry me a river. Millions of people would trade their legs for a Hollywood writing position at 10% of the pay that these out of touch ivory-tower California israelites are getting.
>10%
>25k
Stay the hell away from hollywood you pajeet you'll ruin the bobs and venge joke
Oh no!
Anyway.
What the frick do you expect once a project is finished? That you remain on a payroll despite the show being over and done with? You don't have a permanent contract, you work project to project and some people make it and many don't because there's too many of you who think they can do the same work for a lower price and that's what Hollywood then expects. I agree the whole streaming thing is bad but that's a whole different subject, but to start complaining how you're out of work when a project ends is just bullshit because that same thing happens in plenty of commercial jobs and sadly to say just like the SFX branch everyone ruined it for themselves by being a cuck at the negotiation table by saying they will do it for cheaper because they're scared the next guy will otherwise get picked who does the exact same thing.
People who have literally no understanding of running a business (ie redditors) will look at those numbers and think to themselves "this is an outrage". Meanwhile they literally don't understand how much of their revenue needs to be allocated to various expenses. They think revenue = profit. People this dumb should not even be participating in adult society. But alas, here we are.
Why won't disney give us .091% of their revenue 🙁
That's only 50 mill of media revenue. Disney doesn't need bigger profits, they already run Hollywood.
>$3.1 bn profit
Okay, now first pay the 816,000 shareholders. Then come back to me with the remaining profit.
What's "other"?
pedo island parties
bonuses for all the execs and high ranking ~~*positions*~~
Whenever a dumbass posts stupid shit like this it shows they haven’t done even enough research to understand the subject at a high school level. Why should anyone stand with someone so willingly stupid?
Revenue isn’t the same as Net Income/Profit. I wouldn’t be surprised if all of these companies are negative after all expenses are factored in
That's going to be true even if these writers are producing amazing shows. We know that Forrest Gump, Star Wars, Harry Potter, The Shawshenk Redemtpion, etc. were all massively unprofitable ventures according to the studios.
by LAW companies don't have to pay their employees a living wage, they exist soely to support share holders, nothing more, nothing less
>writers dont need to work in hollywood, hollywood needs writers to persist.
they have no leveraging power
How delusional are you? Millions of people would fight for the chance to be a writer in Hollywood. The writers are easily replaceable.
>Millions of people would fight for the chance to be a writer in Hollywood.
This is why I've never tried. Better to just throw my stuff out on Kindle and at least get some beer money.
I've never understood people trying to make it as writers, if you aren't writing something to shoot on your own, a comedian trying to break into a sitcom writers room, or an established prose or comics writer, you're ice skating uphill
Of course he wolud say that. Paramount owns a failing streaming service offering Star Trek and a Halo show that was so shit that it simply bombed and was forgotten, not even made fun of in memes. They are suffering now, regardless of what they say.
Yeah, and it's not because of the strike.
Everyone was churning out loos-making shit while bringing in little.
Now they're just bringing in little without making shit.
Sure, it's not sustainable forever, but in the short term most people won't even notice.
They've been gaining money ever since the strike began. All this strike accomplished was to make it obvious how useless modern day writers really are.
That's what I'm hoping for.
FPBP
SPBP
>what going to happen?
TOTAL
HOLLYWOOD
DEATH
Who cares?
>Who cares?
TELEVISION AND FILM BOARD
I don't know, how about you?
I hope everybody on both sides goes homeless
Anyone else just months away from homelessness if things don't turn around?
Yes? If I lost my job tomorrow I’d be out on my ass after about a year max.
i lived in my car for awhile once. Don't recommend
I had to tap into my 401k during th covid money scam, in which I had to pay a frick ton of taxes on the next year's tax return. But these writers and actors just mocked people like me while singing gay John Lennon songs in their mansions.
yeah I'm a leaf and poor so I don't know about any of that saving or investment shit but yeah, COVID fricked up my shit royally too and I was just recovering, until the ground shifted again a month or so ago. Things should get going again but its not a guarantee and it's down to the line soon. Couldn't give a shit about the entertainment industry either anymore even as a distraction, they make nothing but shit anyway
A 401k is just a retirement account. Almost every employer in the US provides it, but you're not supposed to take it out until you're like 60, so they penalize the frick out of you if you take it out earlier.
yeah it's like RRSP's in Canada, blah blah, bunch of homosexual shit. Frick retirement and getting old, world is going to shit anyway
They still don't really care that there are tens of thousands of truckers out of work now that one of the largest trucking companies folded and this is after they spend a year trying to depict striking truckers as inbred terrorists just for wanting job security.
I live in work provided housing and my jobs only last for a few months lol
so you're a contractor? lulz carney life
wildlife technician so measure plants for boomer professors and nerd women
congratulations. im just piece of shit college dropout and work hard labour. still make good money when the joint is actually fricking running. being laid off sucks
Whats the best plant you've ever measured?
Yes I have to leave the country kek
I don't really care though, I'm starting to miss Europe and grow tired of PNW liberal women and their stupid septum rings.
I've been living out of my car since September. It's not that bad but it smells pretty bad in there now that it's summer.
Buy a van it's the comfiest life ever and you can save up so much money working out of it. Traveled all over in mine after getting tired of hitchhiking and hopping trains.
I can always fall back on drug dealing.
At least they have an excuse to not host the Oscars and Golden Globes this year
>i-it's totally not because of the low TV ratings
Anon the Golden Globes are done forever. The group that put it on voted itself out of existance.
noooo where will i get my big titty see through celebrity dress pics now
AI will unironically take over, and we'll all be better off for it.
Who is running the ai anon? And how does the money appear
AI is really only worthwhile if you can host your own models. There are always going to be people too dumb to use a command line, so the people that can generate content can sell them on their own. Studios will have the best models, of course, but they'll also be more restrictive.
That AI is really good, BUT I still got the uncanny valley from it. Always makes my scalp itch.
What app is this? Please help I need it for my job
RunwayML.
The constantly shifting texture on the lips, teeth, and irises give it an almost hand drawn feel.
> people will just print their own money
>And how does the money appear
AI is already largely in charge of the financial system.
Studio execs will terminate a bunch of bad projects using the strike as force majeure. Then they will make a deal
>millionaire writers sneed
>billionaire owners sneed
>neets laugh at both of them
>kinoplex discord
link it
dubs demand it. link the frickin kinoplex
https://discord.gg/rcJ8zNgA
you are acknowledged, son, now go and spam no more
It seems like the writers strike happened 4 years ago and gamergate was like 3 years ago.
People just watch reruns of old shit anyway, and most new content is a money sink. Studios have no real incentive to make a deal any time soon
I'm so glad the studios didn't cave to these talentless, bohemian homosexuals. Break the WGA and bring in some fresh, new blood. Studios should have a new set of unspoken rules to not hire
>anybody with blue/green/pink/etc hair
>any woman over 200 lbs
>any black or mulatta woman
>any israeli woman
>any man wearing a graphic t-shirt
>anybody with a reddit account
>anybody who identifies as a gender they weren't born with
>anybody with TDS visible on their social media accounts
I doubt that's the lesson they're going to take away from it
Maybe, maybe not. What we do know now is that the studios have actually been forced to hire from a specific pool of spiteful mutants who have written nothing but garbage for the last 10 or so years. Maybe they see this and that's why they aren't caving to the WGA again. It doesn't seem like they are particularly concerned about losing this pool of writers.
you have a pretty blinkered view of reality, I must say.
For the boss, it's never a good time to negotiate about money, unless it's to give you less, lol.
I mean I get we all hate femqueerx enby dramas made exclusively for Quiby+, but are people really gullible enough to think that the studio heads aren't all a bunch of lying snake who have been feeding people slop for years?
>but are people really gullible enough to think that the studio heads aren't all a bunch of lying snake who have been feeding people slop for years?
The studio execs are egg head Boomers who went to accounting schools. They are not "artists" and do not see themselves as such. This idea that the studio execs and shareholders are the ones who actually came up with all of this genderqueer and various libtard shit is such a laughable cope, I can't believe you WGA shills are still running with it here.
Look at this fricking beaut right here. Do you really think xhe was having these moronic ideas forced upon xer by fricking Bob Iger? Give it a rest.
>Do you really think xhe was having these moronic ideas forced upon xer by fricking Bob Iger?
Without Bob Iger, this sack of shit wouldn't have a job.
>Without Bob Iger, this sack of shit wouldn't have a job.
Bro. They are literally FORCED to hire xer because of the fricking union. What do you not understand about this concept?
Bullshit. This shit is mandated from boardroom level.
https://impact.disney.com/diversity-inclusion/
>47% employees were "people of color" in 2022
So they're far less white than America itself. Neat.
Oops forget pic
>47% of US employees are non-white
So in other words, they're anti-white and discriminate against white people.
Well that explains a lot
>47% non-white
and they're likely counting israelites as white in this, the reality is it's a lot lower
Okay. That is their mandate, and we could certainly discuss how HR departments are just as useless and wasteful as the writing departments. But that doesn't change the fact that the studios are forced to hire WGA writers, and this is the pool of writers they are being forced to hire from.
>acanthosis nigricans over entire body
Why does xhe need money? Xir is not going to live long anyway.
The problem is, and this is the big secret that nobody talks about, the studios aren't making any money on streaming either. You really think they're writing off shows that cost millions of dollars to create because they don't want to pay some homosexual writer a couple thousand every few months? It's because they're losing so much money creating all this content that is giving them such miniscule income because they've fricked themselves on the audience/service fee math and there's no way to fix it. They're killing off all these shows and giving the middle finger to the writers because they're in do or die mode where they have to save every single cent because they've realised that streaming is a black hole that sucks up all the money and they can salvage some of it through tax shenanigans and fricking the writers.
>they've fricked themselves on the audience/service fee math and there's no way to fix it.
If everyone had just kept licensing their shit out to Netflix, it would have been better for everyone. But no. The studios wanted to try and muscle in and worry about monetization later. Well, it's later!
the answer is simple albeit counter intuitive. they need to slash prices so low that people dont even think about the cost. lock it to one device and charge $0.99 a month. would have billions of subs.
Disney did something similar with the initial Disney+ rollout, bundling it with phone plans so people would get hooked. I think most streamers have reached their saturation equilibrium already.
>the studios aren't making any money on streaming
They can't go back to the old ways either with the home media like DVDs or Blu-rays or TV syndication. Regular audience are eschewing the old routine and now sticking to the streaming method because it's too convenient for them. I think Hollywood are in quite a pickle at the moment.
They're phasing out physical media too. Why bother pressing DVD and blu ray discs if everyone should be subscribed? Only now that they're getting rid of their content, there's no physical media for customers to purchase either. Which means more people sailing the high seas for their shows now.
>anyone with visible galloping diabetes like the pink haired obeast who wrought shehulk
The writers win after a year and 3 months when all the big studios run out of shit to spew on the masses with while all the in progress stuff is halted due to the strike with SAG
Hopefully it will help them secretly put these rules in
Studios can just buy foreign films and distribute them.
China will probably start doing that and claiming international movie rights just to spite the US even if it makes them lose money the US would have lost more
Has there ever been a good black woman director producer writer etc?
We'll just have to watch older shows and movies.
There's an extensive backlog of good stuff going back years and years. I'd wager most of it is better than anything in the current year anyway.
So, we rediscover old kino. It will be a golden age.
I want to put my penis in her vegana if you know what I mean
stop speaking in riddles, anon.
What do you mean?
Is this some sort of sexual thing?
No, purely socio-economic factors.
Huh?
who is that bouncing betty
are you trolling?
No 🙁
Minxxy
Miss Hannah minx
What happened to that b***h ?
she got married and decided to delete her channel
she got stuck on my wiener and starved to death over time, sorry folks
>she got stuck on my wiener
>and starved to death
Seeing how small your wiener is no wonder she starved.
she moved on.
I just jizzed to this WebM
FAQ
>What does this mean?
It means that 1) Semen left my penis 2) Prior to semen leaving my penis, I was rubbing my penis 3) During the rubbing of my penis, I was looking at the WebM that you posted
>What were the circumstances leading up to the ejaculation?
Leading upto the ejaculation I was wearing a glove on my hand. This is because I have warts on my hand, and I don't want to get warts on my penis.
>Why did you do this?
When I clicked the WebM you posted, I felt horny enough and I decided to jerk off to it.
>Does this make me gay?
No. Despite the fact that you helped a man ejaculate, you are not gay, because you did so unwittingly.
>Does this make you a rapist?
Yes. You helped me cum, and I did not ask for your consent before hand, which makes me a rapist.
>How do you manage to ejaculate by just looking at a single short WebM? Do you just watch it in loop, and if so for how long?
Yes, I watch it in a short loop. The duration of time I spend watching the video loop is based on how long it takes me before that sweet sweet milk spills.
The writers won't get their at least 1 different writer per episode per season deal.
They will get one writer/showrunner with ai help per 6 episodes deal.
Hollywood will make some concessions (no residuals though) and at the same time it will massively thin the herd because a lot of the writers on strike are simply untalented/easily replaceable.
I don't get it, disregarding A.I. and alternative methods, what's to prevent new "talent" from taking the striker's places. Like if you're some random writer from Ohio with an opportunity, are you really gonna give a shit about whatever this strike is about? Which brings me to my next question;
What the frick is this strike about? I know it has something to do with wages, but is there a legitimate complaint or is it just "writers" who do the work of borderline interns and are lucky to be compensated at all complaining, or what? Who are these writers specifically? Because I get the impression it's largely uncredited people who wrote one line of utilitarian dialogue for an episode of House getting angry they don't get 25% royalties for that episode's monthly streams.
I mean you're not seein' Taylor Sheridan or The Coen Brothers on the boulevard, are you? You know, legitimate filmmakers who aren't exclusively jobbers.
Writers think they can shame potential scabs but fail to realize old school unions could only maintain a picket line via mob enforcement (ie broken legs)
Writers getting underpaid by Neflix producers. No new writers want to scab because the Neflix producers don't provide enough money to be worth their time, either.
Yes, surely no struggling writer in middle America would ever take the paltry sum of... *checks notes*... $250k per year.
Goddamn, you homosexual Hollywood writers are so out of touch.
I assume 70% of that is gone after taxes and living close to the studios but then again 75k after that seems pretty good
Unless they are morons who like spending triple figures daily on eating out which they do
They even still go out to bars with each other which is just draining their savings.
Of course these are probably the rich ones who only write because they like adding to shows.
The broke ones probably already have another job that they will drop the second things go back to normal
Yeah no they’re not going to get paid anywhere near that + COL + moving would frick them
>what's to prevent new "talent" from taking the striker's places. Like if you're some random writer from Ohio with an opportunity, are you really gonna give a shit about whatever this strike is about?
They realized this conundrum very soon into the strike and the SAG (actors union) had to come to their rescue and are refusing to work with any writer not in the WGA (writers union). The problem is, nobody really cares about this either since there are no movie stars under the age of 60 anymore, and the new of actors are all pretty terrible in their own right. It's a pretty big reality slap in the face of these sheltered bohemian fricktards. Imagine being told how special you are while marketing departments inflate your unwarranted ego, only to realize the country (and world at large) could not give a single frick about your supposed "craft".
Because when the strike is over they will be permanently blacklisted. Its not worth it, especially when the studio's entire problem is underpaying.
Image have so little foresight to be a scab.
Did you know cops machine gunned some worker protests in the 1910s and 1920 in the U.S. territories? Just so the owners in their mansions could keep sipping their brandy, and you want to get down and lick that classes boot.
>acting like the writers union aren't the same rich fricks whose boots you will be licking too
No, the studio heads are that class. You know shit
This Black person sips Starbucks and types up his homosexual propaganda on a MacBook and thinks he isn't exactly the same class as the studio executives
bump
>noooo you have to stand in solidarity with your "working class" hollywood writer comrades or I'll give you hiv
>1910s and 1920
Stfu, homosexual. This gay Hollywood b***h fit isn't even close to comparable to what was going on back then. Completely irrelevant post.
I don’t really give a shit about your weird union LARP and pointing to stuff from over 100 years ago. Honestly hilarious if you think pampered LA writers have anything in common with factory workers from the early 20th century and the rights they fought for.
Also, for a lot of people it isn’t boot licking. I’d consider writing simply to put my ideas out into the universe for others to (hopefully) enjoy. Art for the sake of art.
guess i should lick the boots of pfizer and george floyd instead
False equivalence
>noooooo you are the bootlicker!
I fricking hate the medical industry
You’re permanently stuck in 2020
Its a catch-22
>netflix isn't paying its writers enough and cucking them out of residuals because streaming does not equal tv
>the writers aren't making good enough material to earn the extra money
Its just all blatant political shit and rich/pretty people hate rolled up into an episode idea that is old and used to hell and back
The reason why new writers don't just come scab is because they will be permanently banned from ever joining the writers guild so that means all the big studios CAN'T HIRE THEM and will be socially outcasted so even other non-union writers won't work with them so now you are unhireable for trying to work with a company that won't pay you enough to be worth it
If streaming services don't get new shit consistently they lose a lot a subscribers
Places like D+ have already lost a shit ton even when putting in new shit.
>If streaming services don't get new shit consistently they lose a lot a subscribers
>Places like D+ have already lost a shit ton even when putting in new shit.
And even the new shit isn't safe from being deplatformed or outright deleted for tax write offs, licensing fees, and yes, to cut royalty payments.
https://www.nbcnews.com/media/streaming-services-remove-tons-movies-shows-rcna86656
eventually they'll only have the best 10 ips and soon lose copyright in our lifetimes
We honestly might see the complete rollover of entertainments as we know it with new studios rolling out new models of entertainment starting with shorter seasons which closer mimic movies and some being so episodic that you couldn't tell the difference between the first and last episode of a season
Honestly, we might get to the point where people just rent out a data cluster just to generate movies on demand via AI. Hell, the studios would probably do it first with their own models. Pop fiction as we know it might be in its final days.
By then it'll be too late
No one will be able to profit because everyone will be to interested in the idea Logan Paul thought up while taking a shit
All e-celebs will get the views and revenue while everyone else with a decent idea will drown in the sea of shitty AI films
Luckily by then you won't care and would prefer making entertainment strictly for yourself and maybe post it on here too
Lol I don't watch ecelebs now and it's not going to change when I can make my own entertainment.
>they will be permanently banned from ever joining the writers guild so that means all the big studios CAN'T HIRE THEM
>Hi I'd like a job as a writer
>Okay you're hired
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T HIRE HIM HE ISN'T PART OF THE UNION YOU LITERALLY CANNOT DO THAT
>frick you and frick your gay-ass union, I just did and I'll pay him under the table for a script if I want and you'll never fricking know about it
>NOOOOOO
I’d scab for sure
Don’t care about being blacklisted.
I make half a mil a year in software development.
It would be nice to have a writers credit to my name though.
Always side against the millionaires, moron
The studios think they can starve the writers out (and they’re right)
>most studios now make most of their revenue from streaming services
>most of their upcoming films have already been produced
>most people nowadays watch whatever content they want and don't really give a shit about new shows
The studios have practically all the leverage here. They can just wait until the writers run out of cash and beg for their jobs back at that point they'll start massively thinning the herd as they have no intention of returning to normal
You'll soon get you meet your favorite tv show writers at a stop light when they try to wash your windshield.
The 07 strike led to thousands of people getting laid off and that was still during the golden age of television. When this strike ends with the writers having to make concessions, they'll probably just dismantle the entire WGA for good and cancel a shit ton of shows
In 07 they went into the strike with network television being pretty good, and came out with cable being the best it's ever been. Going into this strike, network television is boomer filler shit, cable is on it's deathbed, and streaming is more or less doa. There's no way anything good comes out of the other side of this.
Youtubers are gonna take over. /ourgirl/, Brie larson, saw this year's ahead and got into the game to build up her audience. Clever girl.
Maybe if she flashes her buttplug again. That was hot.
Yo what
She needs to go to the next step, made an only fans account,at first show her boobs for a stupid vegan cause, then you will see her sucking 2 wieners and cashing $$$$ out while the jobless left wing buttholes actors are working on Starbucks
reality tv
I'm so proud of both the strikers and production companies for not cucking 1 inch for each other. This means my fantasy of Total Hollywood Death is marginally closer to reality.
>my fantasy
Our fantasy, friend, our fantasy.
Based studios are going to bleed them out and replace them with wagies and janitors who are hungry enough to work for free.
I legitimately cannot remember the last tv show or film I’ve watched that could be argued as a masterpiece or even exceptional, and I’d hazard to guess that even normalgays are starting to feel the same, they primarily subsisted off of capeshit and for them capeshit was finished with endgame. Now that they’re sick of capeshit they’ve tried to look at other media and have likely realized how awful and oozed everything is. Despite what social media would lead you to believe, the average normalBlack person is not nearly as accepting of troony dragtime stories and Black personification of white characters as redditors are
it's definitely been over a decade. unreal
I loved Raised by Wolves and I think one more season and it would have gone mainstream but alas… anyway yeah I mostly agree. Nothing feels like it has soul or even really reflect our times or the moment or rebels against it in any way,
>First season was fantastic, second season was pure dog shit
Many such cases.
Barbie will save Hollywood, I guess.
Yeah the Mattel cinematic universe is going to save cinema.
Ah yes, a blond fit woman.
Their problems are insurmountable. People over 30 know what good movies and TV are like, and they know what's getting pumped out now is shit and they aren't watching. People under 30 don't care about movies and TV and aren't watching.
It's joever.
Portals act like holes. If a box with a hole in it fell on top of you, you wouldn't be launched upward.
If you reverse the point of reference though then the person is always moving, while the portal is stationary, so it should always impart momentum
>Work in Pedowood
>obvious deal with the devil
>surprised pikachu when it all goes to hell
I can't see the studio caving to any of the writers' demands. The only thing that might help them is if they team up with the actors.
The actors have a some sway but the age of the movie star is over.
Even Tom Cruise who most people think is the last movie star, had an okay amount come in for his Mission Impossible film.
Younger generations care more about ecelebs and gaming than most things Hollywood puts out.
The actors already went on strike last month and the studios still don't give a frick. They already produced most of this and next years movies so they don't really need them for at least a few more months
Exactly. Plus some of them are getting free passes to keep working on projects. The actors guild is shooting itself in the foot.
E celebs, anime, kpop, playstation, xbox, who fricking needs hollywood.
Replace with asian media hopefully.
The writers and actors just think there's a hidden gold mine from streaming for some reason. They're in for a hard anal fricking when they learn those services actually aren't very efficient and the proliferation for years, ever since Google bought Youtube, has been more about cornering market share of users than material profit.
That's probably one of the reasons Bob Iger says it's not a good time to try negotiating over the money.
Actors and liberal arts majors not understanding basic market fundamentals and economic principles!? No fricking way!
if they're so badly paid how do they afford to live for 100 days without earning?
nothing
the studios will wait out the bulk of the people in the unions, throw a bone to whoever is left, and things will move on from there
That Turk homosexual better bring them more pizzas before they starve to death!
Don't know
Don't care
Not my problem
Eventually everyone gives up and my sissy lotr fanfic finally gets made
Call in the Pinkertons
after Barbie hollywood and normalgays deserve to have the """film""" industry to crash and burn
>Waiting for the strike to end so I can pitch my Steampunk Vampire Slayer movie for Emma Watson
I'd watch it, I begrudgingly admit
I'd watch it but only if it was in full CGI with a younger Emma.
Also, who's the hunter?
Who would Emma have the best chemistry with?
Your AI made Luke Evans from Dracula Untold with hints of Jared Leto's Morbius facial features.
Try Jake Gyllenhaal or Keanu. They both look very stoic.
Just make it a full cg movie with her voicing it
I'm tempted to just throw some money at elevenlabs and runwayml to make it, but I think I'll work on the script more and let the movie tech improve a bit more first.
There are already a ton of software out there you can use for free
I remember watching a Ai song cover and they shilled a discord where everyone posts models of all sorts of people with some of them turning out really good
>discord
Ew.
You don't have to talk to them I just go and download new models every so often and the best part is that they want you to credit them so when you don't because why would you there will always be a bit of seethe
Got a name? I'll give it a look!
Torture porn movies like Elisha Cuthbert’s Captivity is where it’s going to be at.
Once I can direct a 10 hour long AI-made labor of love staring Alex Daddario’s analogue, zip ties, and a head-sized plastic bag, I doubt other media will interest me again.
sauce pls..
Sleepygimp. Bunch of his stuff on 8muses and e-hentai.org
With Harvey Weinstein playing Van Helsing.
I'm hoping the writers lose here not because I like the higher up types but because I think modern writers haven't really earned their position and those that have will be successful no matter what, if you wipe out all these union brats then we can get a new generation of writers that deserve the pay rather than all the countless useless diversity hires at the moment, I'd prefer both sides be screwed but in the end the rich are gonna stay powerful
>but in the end the rich are gonna stay powerful
Unless, of course, they're forced to reveal their actual viewership numbers, in which case shareholders are going to shit.
Isn't there a crazy rumor going around that the writers guild want only the leaders of the guild to know the viewership number?
If things really are as bad as I think, the guild will want to keep those numbers out of the public eye as well. Otherwise, they're not going to have much of a share of nothing.
Let's say it's true.
If we assume most of the streaming shows are losing money. How are the writers' guild going to explain the lack of money for their members?
Just blame the studios even though they're also lying?
total hollywood death
If the conditions in hollywood are so bad, why aren't the directors' guild or producers' guild striking?
What I don’t understand is what changed since the previous writers strike? I’m the previous strike studios were pretty fricked and so many productions got affected.
But now? The studios are just going “frick it, we will starve them out”. This was inconceivable beforehand, but now it’s ok and some are even profiting from it? wtf happened?? Has Opposite Day become permanent?
The media made the last strike seem like a big deal. Plus Hollywood wasn't regularly telling people to f*** off on social media.
>what changed
Streaming. The quality of writing. The fact that Hollywood is literally dying because of the internet and video games. Hollywood and network TV are dinosaur media. Going the way of the horse and buggy. Hell, do you have seen kids lately. They legitimately have about a 5 minute max attention span. Movies cannot survive after the millenial generation.
The internet and videogames didn't have all that much impact on movies, yes there was a downward trend but it was slight and had been going on for decades.
COVID completely tanked the cinema and it looks like it's leveled out at about 60% of the usual ticket sales per head of population, which had been quite steady for decades.
>and some are even profiting from it?
They're saving $100 million here or there. While also losing several hundred mil in revenue. There's no real net gain here, and even if the studios want to sit on their heels, they're still going to have to weather the storm since shareholders are going to want to see subscriber counts go up, but that only happens with fresh content. Content that isn't being made due to the strikes, and will bite them in the ass if the strikes take too long, as subscribers drop the services that go stale, and it'll take them forever to spool up production again. Meanwhile, talent may leave the industry altogether, including and especially the people that work on the behind the scenes nuts and bolts type stuff. People besides the actors and writers need to make a living as well, and if they step away, from the industry, there's not going to be as many hands putting things back together.
If subscribers don't give a shit about the quality of the content and just want content for the sake of it, then you don't really need writers. Just fire up ChatGPT or go find some YouTuber and give him a budget for a shitty reality show.
I wonder if the networks will trade old, forgotten shows with each other. Imagine if netflix gets pete and Pete from viacom in exchange for stranger things syndication or something.
YouTubers are making their own money. Studios would only be able to afford bottom of the barrel nobodies at best. As for reality shows, well... https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/bethenny-frankel-reality-union-strike-1235674531/
>shareholders are going to want to see subscriber counts go up, but that only happens with fresh content.
I think the biggest show on Netflix right now is Suits, which ended four years ago.
>including and especially the people that work on the behind the scenes nuts and bolts type stuff. People besides the actors and writers need to make a living as well
I have a feeling most of those tech folks have scripts of their sitting at home they're desperate to show to somebody
Wasn't the biggest show on Netflix like the office or friends? When did it become suits?
They lost both of those shows. Netflix is obviously artificially pushing Suits because they've got a relationship with Meghan Markle, but it's working, people started watching it.
>unless they want to AI animate it
of course they want that
one dude already made a shitty AI feature by himself with a $100 budget, you think they don't want in on that once a reasonably marketable product is viable using it?
Damn who wtf is left to watch on netflix then?
>of course they want that
And they're going to get it. The technology still has a few years of development before it's ready for primetime. They can shit something out now, but it's going to be very avant guarde and experimental. Meanwhile, current demands by the unions regarding AI aren't likely to halt studio progress on development and training. Cat's pretty much out of the bag. But they might settle for a bigger cut should their likenesses or work be used for training.
Oh man I cannot wait for actors to be replaced by robots, or AI generated actors.
I'm going to miss paparazzi photos and loose red carpet dresses. Though I guess paps will just follow tiktok and youtubers more.
The paps will go out of business too. I love it. Why would you need actual celebs to thirst over when you'll have bizarre /d/ creatures slurping down your wiener in VR? Porn is going to get so crazy that even pornstars will become irrelevant.
Do we even have any true pornstars these days? Feels like Onlyfans has supplanted them, and even then it's a samey morass of flavors of the week.
>I think the biggest show on Netflix right now is Suits, which ended four years ago.
Viewership=/=new subscribers.
>I have a feeling most of those tech folks have scripts of their sitting at home they're desperate to show to somebody
And the studios probably have a giant stockpile at the office, but unless they want to AI animate it, they're stuck waiting for the actors, at least.
I'll even eat a bean pie (I don't mind)
>shareholders are going to want to see subscriber counts go up, but that only happens with fresh content.
They can just buy Korean, Indian, Canadian, New Zealandian and British shows.
can't be any worse than netflix produced shows
And the foreign actors are already wanting a larger slice of the pie.
Netflix picking it up is the reason RRR got an Oscar. People wouldn't have seen it otherwise. Anons don't get how normies just pull up Netflix and push play on whatever's on the home screen, they watch whatever gets put in front of them
Different landscape dude. 2007-2008 was fricking blu-ray/DVD in the mail if you wanna watch something you didn't already own or wasn't on TV already.
Breitbart's a sanctimonious shithole but there was a good article about how much dinosaur media back on TV is not profitable but which gets to piggyback via cable TV packages and streaming services. It's not a meritocracy in other words. And the people on those shows are expecting a cut of the pie that something like Friends or the Office is really bringing in the eyeballs of. But if streaming services revealed viewercount for specific shows it would horrify investors who would blanche and pull back investment seeing how abysmal so many of these recent projects are.
In any case it's a pox on both your houses, though I have the mildest sympathies more for actors and writers because they aren't suit shits. But they're still frickers, so whereas with UPS or other essential workers I'm happy to see them doing well (especially as it can push up salaries elsewhere - if UPS or whatever will pay you well then other industries need to pay better to stop hemorrhaging) with this it could go for the studios or the actors and I'd not care either way.
pretty funny how easy it was to get rid of the strikers at universal, just trimming some trees. these people apparently can't walk around in a hat. if this was as a legitimate cause and not just a mere money grabbing scheme, they wouldn't give up just because of no shade
LOL that actually worked? Hopefully AI can invent umbrellas soon, sounds like they need it
NBC/Universal also tore up the sidewalk. They're being petty as frick.
Oh frick so the strikers had to float? Yeah I can see why they gave up lmao
Swap writers with the homeless.
I guarantee movies will actually improve.
Homeless would have some interesting stories, perspectives, or met some colorful people that would translate to great characters. All of these modern writers all get churned out by the same schools and lead the same boring life of upper middle class mediocrity.
This whole thing has been comfy, it's served to bring Cinemaphile closer together. Except those corpoBlack folk in the corner, frick those guys
Hollywood will invest everything on AI doing all the writing for them, which will probably work since 95% of major movies these days could easily have been written by AI with how derivative they are.
Frick it, who cares. This whole civilization is shot. It's busted and I didn't break it. So frick it.
>when the world needed him the most he vanished
seth rogan ruined his career
>just watching stuff from golden era of tv, will never run out of shows
Who fricking cares what modern ""writers"" do?
I hope their homes get repossessed.
Hollywood realizes they were only losing money on making new material and already have over 100 years of good material to repackage for modern audiences. No new films until AI writing is perfected.
It's more profitable for streamers to outright DELETE brand new shows from their catalog and throw them into the abyss for a tax break than it is to maintain them on their platform. What the frick does that tell you?
they will hire different writers duh
Couldnt care less. Sarah Gadon is Canadian and not in SAG. She just released 2 movies in consecutive weeks, and she has 3 more movies premiering at festivals in September. She's been going on talkshows to promote them and will be on the red carpet at the festivals. She also finished writing the screenplay for the movie she will direct soon. She's doing this while all the talentless Hollywood hacks are jobless
I hope they lose everything and have to get real jobs instead of larping for a living.
The studios are probably trying to outlast the unions, but they'll probably do some lukewarm "deal" to end the strike so they can reap some good PR in a month or two when the summer movie season is over. Not that I really care since I rarely even watch movies made before the year 2020 and still have a massive backlog of kino to see.
The union isn't budging on their demands, so I doubt a lukewarm deal will cut it.
I sincerely hope the strike lasts a year or two. Just because it would absolutely frick everything up.
Studios would just move everything to outside of Hollywood in that case.
Best of luck with that.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-08-07/south-korea-actors-netflix-pay-dispute-union
It really won't though. It'll only frick up the film and TV industries. Even then not as badly as they've fricked themselves by using these writers and actors
>It'll only frick up the film and TV industries.
Which has already had massive ripple effects throughout Los Angeles. Probably Atlanta too, considering how much filming happens there now. But L.A. is more of a studio town, so yeah.
Care to point to some of those effects?
I can only speak anecdotally, but my work used to get a lot of traffic from movie stars, producers, PAs, directors, composers, you name it. Now, it's fricking dead, and my hours have been slashed. As it is, I'm hoping to get an interview at In & Out.
OK and what industry are you now leaving that is affected by this?
Ando music industrias as well, Hollywood ando Los Angeles mejor labels are the same thing.
If thia shit gets shoot, don't expect anything but AI rap in the radio for the next decade
I swear it feels like this shit started ten days ago, how's it already been a 100?
Yeah, that's how important and impactful their jobs are that people barely notice any difference.
Studios are going to cancel any exclusive contracts or projects they deemed too expensive, under the guise of using the strike as an excuse. In fact they're already doing that in some cases, and some people believe the strike was goaded on to make this possible.
Hopefully everyone in california dies of AIDS
Well. What happened after the 2007-8 strikes? Now it's going to be worse
Nothing. Even the most israelitepilled, BlackRock wienersuckers can see nobody wants what these people are producing. AI will replace them then hopefully everyone can generate custom content. No support for strikers here
I've been sort of passively pursuing a screenwriting career for the past couple of years, and I'm not sure how to feel about this strike. I mostly do script-doctoring, so I can say at least the common industry hacks think I have some spark. But I'm not a israelite so they're going to keep me side-lined and manageable.
I've been studying AI though... where are the job listings for AI designer for screenplays? I'm so ready to contribue to the collapse of this field.
>where are the job listings for AI designer for screenplays?
There probably won't be, to be honest. They're more likely to hire an AI manager and development team, and then once the tools are in place just have an intern pretty up whatever the AI shits out.
Hollywood trains a script bot on the millions of unfilmed scripts they've received over the years.
More time pass, more we realize they are not needed it at all, bunch of left wing activist, mediocre work, nobody miss them
nothing, as nothing of value was lost.
The majority of new stuff that comes out on Netflix is Asian, some of which is OK, but Disney+ has absolutely nothing. I have no idea what anyone could be watching now.
Has it really been 100 days already?
Fricking wild isn't it. 100 days without Late Night Black folk.
hope they outsource to India and all those liberal sellout c**ts starve in a gutter
Can't wait to have pajeet movies
There's probably a bunch of movies waiting to be released because covid stopped everything and they all started back up recently right?
Top Gun and others were delayed, but released right away to recoup losses, some were even sent to streaming. There's no real pre-covid backlog studios could draw upon.
>be entertainment "journalist"
>job is to write about the happenings in the entertainment industry; mostly hollywood
>bitches on strike
>nothing is happening
>nobody doing anything
>WELL GUYS, BELOVED READER, ARE YOU READY FOR THE NEWS?!
>NOTHING CHANGED, NOTHING IS HAPPENING, PLEASE READ MY 1000 WORDS ARTICLE AND CLICK ON MY LINKS
>EVEN THO IT'S JUST EMPTY CONJECTURE
>I NEED TO TYPE THESE WORDS EVEN THO I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY!
>THAT'S WHY I'M INCLUDING A RECAP OF THE LAST 3 MONTHS
>PLEASE READ IT
>OH GOD PLEASE READ IT
Serious question:
When do I, the man in the street, start to feel any impact from this?
Other than the endless slew of tone-deaf and overly dramatic news articles I’ve had to endure, everything else feels pretty much the same.
Neither better nor worse.
Disney still intends to release another Black person princess movie this year so things aren’t really improving yet, but they’re not noticeably worse either
>When do I, the man in the street, start to feel any impact from this?
Unless you work in tertiary industries, you'll probably notice around spring, when more foreign stuff and reality TV fills in the gap in production. That's a guarantee at this point. Whether anything will be ready by next fall is anyone's guess. But your instant rerun service is otherwise unlikely to change, unless they throw more shows into the vault to save on licensing and royalties.
Literally every single israelitewood writer can be replaced by GPT.
>computer, write me propaganda promoting homosexuality and white guilt, then base a story on said propaganda
Ok do it
I would, but I refuse to give those israelites at GPT my phone number.
Every single person in this thread has breaks, vacations, and 40 hour weeks because of unions and your great-grandfathers setting factories on fire for being buttholes about it.
just like the civil war was the only way to end slavery. simpleton
moron.
I'm lucky to get 10 hours a week in retail.
I have breaks, vacations and however many hours I wish, without communist Black folk lecturing me about white privilege.
Nothing
I hope they all get fired and all the studios shut down
The world would be a better place if they never made anything new ever again and everyone had to watch old films
They lost all their bargaining power when they gave exemptions to certain preproduction flicks.
they never had any power to begin with. every studio is happy to have an excuse to stop spending money and try to fix the books.
Hope these corporate fricks outsource writing to Korea and Bollywood. I want all sides to lose.
im surprised anti-woke writers arent jumping at the chance to replace all those cucks.
>he thinks shows are woke because of the writers
Its the studios you fricking troglodyte.
The writers are literally the ones demanding more diversity in their writers rooms instead of just hiring based on talent
This fricking leftie cope again.
Bunch of dinduffins who brazenly deny their own horseshit the second they need pick me up from people they shat on moments ago.
Hollywood is probably using the strikes as an excuse to terminate contracts with the activist cabal. Of course, modern Hollywood is modern Hollywood, so they won't acknowledge and act on the actual warning signs that you're dealing with a talentless activist and they'll also bet too heavily on AI. Investors would need to get involved and begin aggressively cleaning out the generic slimy BlackRock executive sorts in order for this to actually fix these companies.
BTW, I wouldn't get too hyped about the death of Hollywood. It's more likely that they'll be bailed out and turned into a zombie industry. That's the price of buying into big government propaganda that pretends like a giant machine fueled by forcibly seized funds somehow increases accountability to the public compared to people being allowed to choose who they economically associate with.
other kind of serialized television show will have the spotlight, and will have their own boom period again.
YEAH!
Likely, smaller studios will not refuse the demands, leading to them being the only ones who will be able to go into productions. The big studios will then likely leave the production market entirely or cave.
Publicly declaring you wont use AI while also paying more money is a dumb business move. Better to stall them out collectively.
z!
They are publicly listed companies so at some point they will be pressured to resume making money. The state of California is already eager to see the strikes resolved.