What happened to female action stars? Film franchises carried by a singular female action heroine. There are plenty of male action film franchises, with John Wick being one of the most prominent, but it feels like there has been a Milla Jovovich-shaped void since the Resident Evil movies ended.
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Whenever they try to make that now you creeps start screeching about politics
Woman are not action oriented so it’s always a little unbelievable
These “movies” are for white knight beta cucks with a dom fetish
case in point
No, they just stopped making them for audiences and started making them for trannies, which no one, including women actually wants.
No. An attractive female protagonist is fine. A fat gay diabetic non-binary Black person girlboss being passed off as an ideal woman is not.
Yeah right
>plot armor zoomer girl VS the glass ceiling
Shit character. Shit movie
I guess you agree with me.
If I had to pick one group in predator movies, but in real life, I'd go for the french hunters. In the movie they had to nerf them, making them damn stupid, selfish, disorganized and scattered enough to fail. In real life they would own the predator better than anyone, considering they're the kind of people that pretty much invented the traps Arnold used when everything else failed and they were using them on a daily basis, for a living. Tough af, decent trackers, organized, skilled.
I'm still not convinced a pre-modern-tech prey would be interesting enough to have a predator movie.
Sure, the french hunters or some ancient roman badass group, would put up quite a fight, but they are simply outclassed. They aren't even equipped to understand what they are fighting and how it works.
They would need lots of plot armors to win. And you cannot rehash the uber-trap all the times.
They should have the balls to make the predator win.
Yes, understanding what they're fighting against would be their biggest problem, I was talking about real life skills, considering Arnold had to go down that path in order to win and that was believable. The game changer was in both cases how the main characters found out how to fool predator's vision (orange plant and mud). Of course the hunters in an open field with muskets would be btfo, but I still believe they would be the best choice with prep. Not sure how they would react to the dead bear, but unless they say "well, let's get the f out" , if they decide to stay I am sure they would not go just look for the thing and charge. It's tracking ( a lot) , set a defensive perimeter, prepare. Keep in mind there's only one thing OP about the predator and is... camouflaging next to being invisible, othen than that, a ballista would destroy him, same for a spike trap, bear traps, big holes and spears big enough.
But what Arnol did, he could only do because he could tell what predator's tech could do.
How could a non modern person even imagine : "yeah, that bastard clearly sees my body heat" He would thing about some kind of clarvoyance and conclude that there are no solutions to it.
Or "that bastard can cast fireballs", but he can't imagine what the frick is a laser cannont hat followsyour eyes, therefore he couldn't try something against it.
A primitive could only neutralize them with luck, wich isn't very cinematic.
>only one thing OP about the predator and is... camouflaging next to being invisible, othen than that, a ballista would destroy him, same for a spike trap, bear traps, big holes and spears big enough.
Yeah, but if the hero does't fight a predator who's using his alien stuff with some efficiency, what is the point of making it a predator movie.
Prey would have been massively better if the big bad was some legendary bear or something. Something like White Buffalo, with Charles Bronson, only the last survivor of the massacred tribe would be a woman.
What if it was little Bighorn, but with Predator instead of indians? The Army would not believe the messenger, ok, but they would send more troops anyway. What would happen next? At some point Predator would either kill every single person on Earth or someone at some point would manage to kill him. Considering you can harm and kill them, my bet is on the second one. I doubt the reaction would be to flee and leave, not at first for sure.
It’s totally believable that a Indian womanlet is better than Arnold and his Special Forces group against the Predator.
Oh, so now believability is a factor? I thought they just had to be attractive
Believability of the action is a big part. Modern action filled with limpwristed boys and girls fails here.
And manlet Jason Statham beating up whole squads of large dudes barehanded is extremely believable
He looks like chav who caves your skull in with beer bottle during stupid argument in the bar.
I'm with you with JS. That kind of action works with with bit of tougue in cheek, or at least a little bit of stylization.
He plays it too straightforward, making me cringe. It was really obvious in expendables (1?), where everyone was doing their over the top stuff and he was just there trying too hard to be cool.
Still, what separates him from glass-ceiling-girl is that JS is a top speciment looing male and his fists and kicks look dangerous.
Still don't like his stuff very much
Someone like her or Nunez would be believable action heroines. She even sparred and lost to male wrestler.
More like a cringe premise vs a no ncringe premise.
OG predator's premise "special forces vs alien hunter" is also realistic, if you want to go there. "Glass ceiling breaking patriarchy smashing girl vs alien hunter" just isn't
If Tom and Chris hadn't been fricking moronic, we would have gotten an Ilsa Faust spinoff series for pure action AND coomer kino.
There's Atomic Blonde.
Atomic Blonde has a single movie, and never became a franchise like John Wick.
One. Fricking. Movie.
It's shit
Cause at the same time that feminism was pushing for more of this, there is also a "no hot women allowed" rule and that breaks the idea of female lead action movie. You cannot have an uggo be the face of the whole thing if they're constantly put in sexy action situations. Just imagine an ugly mutt or slant eye replacing mila or beckinsale. The appeal is simply gone cause the main draw is sexo with guns. Now they're trying to have a phase of "girl power capeshit" and I think it's obvious as to why nobody really gives a shit, and that's cause 1/3 is hot and she doesn't even get to be hot.
I find it strange how feminism is either free the nipple or don’t look at me
Duality of (wo)man. For something as big as the politics of an entire sex, you're going to get a lot of opinions. Though I think it largely comes down to:
>I should be empowered, my competition should cover up
>different people think different things
Holy shit you’re right, that is so weird
It varies depending on who you ask. Old school feminists don't even identify with modern feminism because it's over corrected. My mom and some relatives fall under that banner where they see feminism as human rights, and nothing more. The term feminism wasn't even used in their circles until a few decades ago.
That’s basically the contradictory nature of women and makes perfect since
Women if course being known above all else for logical consistency and principle
Because those films primarily were action films whereas modern writing of "strong females" don't show their skill and strength so much as insisting on repeating that they don't need no man
On top of PWSAnderson being a better filmmaker than 90% of modern action directors
Those stronk female action movies were cringe girlpower vehicles too. You just didn’t have grifting YouTube daddies telling you to hate them.
>Those stronk female action movies were cringe girlpower vehicles too
I'll take it
The RE films are genuinely my favorite schlock franchise and I attest that there's NOTHING in comparison to how modern femaction will have entire scenes dedicated to "slow down moronic male i'm the one in charge and good" without a demonstration of competency through the action scenes
You've been so poisoned by idpol that you're retroactively Krueschev'ing genuinely fun older films
Going down this path you may end up doing the same thing to dumb action movies in general, noticing how they're just as quippy as modern films but have better filmmaking, physicality and charismatic leads that elevated it
Tread with critique not with cynicism
Yeah looking back at older films they share a lot of the same problems as modern movies do but are just better made.
>RE didn’t have dumb male comic relief characters to make Milla look better
Turns out you didn’t actually watch the films
Going off the top of my head all the male characters are competent. It's only that after Alice gains her powers does she take the spotlight from everyone but in 4 she loses her powers causing her to be epically owned throughout the franchise. Besides that, in the final chapter everyone's basically dead and Wesker just gets caught in a trap. It's typical schlock.
Black Chris Tucker knockoff in the second movie was a total putz
He was cool and survived to the end even as comic relief. The only real betrayal he got was in 3 where he turned into a zombie despite originally helping alive with the lasers in the old script.
Alright anon I'll humor you
Start rattling off the scenes
And protip: the sniveling coward bad guy characters isn't what I'm talking about
>Those stronk female action movies were cringe girlpower vehicles too.
Except they weren't woke, female characters were action heroes who got shit done without a message, and he feminism was about being sexy, leather jackets, motorcycles and machine guns.
>whereas modern writing of "strong females" don't show their skill and strength so much
Yeah
This scene never been trumped
Modern "action girls" are just limpristed weak women who do pathetic handwaves and this supposed to be demonstration of agility and strength. They never come close to Linda Hamilton dedication and training for Terminator 2. Just look at her bouncing on her toes after she picks tonfa, you can totally belive girl can kick ass. Modern coach potatoes actresses? Then never can demonstrate physical ability because they don't have one.
Resident Evil worked as a film series cause it was a videogame. Action women don't carry franchises, ever. Instead you get a big smattering of one-off b-list movies about female assassins with the protagonist's name as the title.
Boomers didn’t care about muh realism or Mary Sues, they just liked watching hot chicks in loose outfits flipping around.
You can’t get away with that now since manbabies lose their minds, unless the female lead is a frick-up final girl who gets her shit pushed in and barely survives. Which is lame.
you have no idea how many boomer projects were shelved
theres a shit load of female action movies that were shelved over the years
just for example, trying to make a female james bond was a thing
michelle yeoh was originally supposed to be in it, then she did crouching tiger, then it was supposed to be halle berry and the poor box office of the dogshit charlies angels and tomb raider sequels cancelled it before pre production
Jews
Feminism used to be kino
I love Mila so much bros, you have no idea.
She kisses her daughter on the mouth
God I wish I could do that to Mila's daughter
/misc/ and /lgbt/ ruined it.
Fricking this. gays and chuds somehow started turning on sexy chicks doing cool things. They were probably jealous cause fats and UGGs couldn't be allowed to do those things so now nobody gets to
I loved the resident evil franchise for staying true to its style. Yeah the writing is dogshit and it's not the game at all (besides 4-6), but it's fun throughout without being preachy or trying to appeal to modern audiences.
Prey was good because it had a cute brown girl doing cute action things, but Cinemaphile hated it : (
I was pleasantly surprised by this one.
It was a lot more spy-thriller than the action romp I thought it would be but it was some solid fight scenes as expected of David Leitch and 87Eleven.
Yeah I bet cuck
I thought it was kinda telling how Atomic Blonde made her lesbian when she wasn't in the original comic.
Women writes these characters now and self-insert their feminist ideology.
~~*they*~~ dont bother putting effort into them and make dogshit movies and then act surprised they do bad and then go "clearly the female part of this movie is the reason no one saw this, not that we made a pile of shit movie"
>clearly the female part of this movie is the reason no one saw this
To be fair that's largely true for a lot of these films. You can immediately write off any action movie with a female lead unless there's something else worthwhile about it, such as being an adaptation or a sequel or having a genre premise you're really into like Alien or Terminator or Underworld.
The only one that I can think of that did very well despite being a new IP with a female lead and pure action genre is Kill Bill.
>You can immediately write off any action movie after they deliberately made 47 shitty ones in a row
From your perspective sure, but for the average audience that results in these movies not doing well, it's as simple as
>Female hero? Ehh not for me.
If they don't just dismiss it without consideration on sight. Same shit happens in video games, it's why Ubisoft was so careful to avoid putting their female characters on marketing Assassins Creed despite them taking up more and more focus in the newer games. They know female protagonists don't sell.
>its cuz gurl cooties, not because its a marker that the movie will be shit and not worth watching
How is it that audiences will eat slop, but suddenly become discerning when a female protagonist is involved? It's gotta be one or the other.
>You can immediately write off any action movie with a female lead unless there's something else worthwhile about it,
Funny thing in 80s they put action girls in with great success: Aliens, Terminator. It's just modern feminism is the poison destroying everything it touches.
2 movies in a decade ain't much of a success, they became icons purely because nobody else managed to compare, they were exceptional. Nobody sings the praises of Supergirl (1984) or Red Sonja (1985). Lynda Carter was popular just before the 80s but more as a sex symbol.
There were many more movies. And Supergirl/Red Sonja had no female character problem, those were fine. Movies were just shit.
Try the The Blob protagonist and many horror ginal girls. The women in Total Recall. Lorna Cole in Lethal Weapon (eve if she starts mary sueish for comedic purpose). Geena Davis in The Fly. KLB in Weird Science. The woman in Tremors.
Guys like action way more than girls does. That's has been studied over and over. Girls like drama.
Create a drama movie with lots of action and you'll find success for female action character. Pure action flicks with girls as heads simply don't work
girls do*
That*
>Create a drama movie with lots of action and you'll find success for female action character. Pure action flicks with girls as heads simply don't work
girl boss in the Sandbox, kickin ass takin hajis name, then she comes home and gets discharged and becomes isolated and weird all her friends off themselves and she sits alone in her room and drinks all day disassembling and reasembling an AR
Action heroes have to suffer the occasional brutal asskicking and take some Ls from time to time if they don't want their movies/shows to be Gary Stu/Mary Sue boring trash. Stronk womyn must be perfect and can't ever not win, otherwise it's misogynistic abuse.
whatever you say
She cute.
Franchises like RE deliberately tried to show their leads as vulnerable, but it's very telling how, for example, in Justice League Superman grabs Wonder Woman by her shoulder strap, not by her throat.
Yeah, can you imagine hurting milady today?
Female action heroines were always there only as eye-candy fanservice. Strip them of their revealing outfits and sexy poses or cute nerdy attitudes or them handling firearms bigger than they are, anything that appeals to le male gaze, and you have absolutely nothing.
If you strip an actor of his/her look and sex appeal he/she becomes boring by default. Deal with it.
Particularly for women.
It would be like stripping masculine strenght from a male character.
Ripley was fantastically written, but had she been Melissa McCarthy, nobody would remember her.
Just deal with it.
Ripley was literally written as a man
She was revealed to Giger in LSD dream.
Now imagine Sigourney Weaver walks into casting when Ridley Scott holds this exact picture in his hands.
>Scott explained how Ripley was originally written as a man. Discussing the gender flip, Scott said, "I think the idea actually came from Alan Ladd Jr. I think it was Alan Ladd [then president of 20th Century Fox] who said, 'Why can’t Ripley be a woman?' And there was a long pause, that at that moment I never thought about it. I thought, why not, it's a fresh direction, the ways I thought about that. And away we went."
https://www.cbr.com/alien-ridley-scott-ripley-role-changed-male-female/
Yeah then. they try to cast this female approach and Scott stumbles on Weaver who looks as women face from Giger's Necronomicon, art book Scott took visual and spirital inspiration for the movie. That's fate.
Irrelevant?
And whatever happens during brainstorming sessions before the character is finalized litarlly doesn't matter
It matters in as much as she has no especially feminine qualities and the characterization of her as a “strong female character done right” is revisionist bullshit. She’s a blandly genderless character being played by a woman.
>She’s a blandly genderless character being played by a woman.
Byt that's tomboy (best action girl type) description. She has no female hysterics she is not hopeless and can do things like a boy... only she has breasts and it's not gay to want to frick her.
She's a woman in a well written part.
Somehow doesn't count as a female character?
Not every female character must be about the female condition. Sometimes women just do stuff
And sometimes black people and gays just do stuff, but every black and gay character needs to be justified in-universe or it’s forced diversity.
If a well-written female character is just a woman playing a part originally intended for a man then why cast a woman at all, except for woke points.
>why cast a woman at all,
Because she was in the art book.
Danny Glover, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, Sidney Poitier. Richard Roundtree, Samuel L Jackson and MR T say hi.
Blacks are a problem only when you do it. It's always uncool, about being black, a blackwash and/or out of place in the setting.
Very modest movies like, dunno, Action Jackson are way beyond what you can do. or are willing to do.
Gays simply have no audience. The put them in movie jsut to be there, but even in the best case, it's just a downgrade in the eye of the majority. And you never go for the best case.
TL DR the problem is you and the characters you make.
Please give my best to your wife’s son and Tyrone
I'm not sure what this comment is suppesed to fit the context or my post.
Ok?
Get a breasts pic
We have porn now.
We have porn now.
Women are insufferable now
I mean frick, the woman *in* this picture is insufferable now, yet she wasn't 20 years ago
Crazy, isn't it?
Like the downfall of society can be traced directly to the transition from "I wanna frick Angelina Jolie" to "I wanna throw Angelina Jolie off a bridge"
Same as the character she's potraying.
The first Tomb Raider game is a genuine masterpiece. How did they keep fricking up so bad with each subsequent game?
because hollywood now is primarily led by catty, busted ol women who hate men and everything they enjoy.
you see the idea of female action is pure nonsense in itself and loses any enjoyability if you don't go all in with the fanservice and eye candy. this is something that Japan has understood since time inmemorial. you ever seen Agent Aika? its so outrageous its admirable.
so if you dont cast hot or cute women, and you constantly tease their skin, whats the point?