What happened to Green Lantern's popularity? Did Morrison cause the downfall of the franchise?
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What happened to Green Lantern's popularity? Did Morrison cause the downfall of the franchise?
The franchise never recovered from the 2011 movie
There were other factors like the mismanagement following Johns' departure but Green Lantern was considered poison by retailers after the movie's bombing
Didn't help that everything immediately after Johns was just trying to redo the exact same shit. The GLC was in some big event against another Lantern-lite group or situation. From Third Army, to First Lantern, Ultraviolet Lanterns, there was no episodic adventures with a random villain for years after Johns. It was all other color lanterns or some other army the Guardians made in a long big event that killed off half the corps or blew up the central battery over and over again.
The magic died when Johns, Tomasi and friends left. It just wasn't the same again.
the Green Lantern Corps by Gibbons was the better book out of all of them
Ethan Van Sciver ruined it by being fat and gay
This is when it was good
>Ultraviolet Lanterns
Please read a book, those were never in a GL book, they were only an excuse for Sinestro to use his classic clothes in Justice League.
I think Morrison was writing Green Lantern around that time.
What? Nu52 was just Venditti literally trying to vacuum the rainbow corps away. We only get yellow lanterns, maybe red if we’re lucky nowadays.
>The franchise never recovered from the 2011 movie
How, nobody saw it.
Exactly. The cartoon was dead on arrival because no toy store wanted to stock merchandise, the Six Flags coaster tie-in was a wiener and ball torture machine, and Green Lantern has effectively replaced Aquaman as DC's laughing stock.
Based on how much Halgays cling onto it, the best thing to happen to Green Lantern in the last decade was the Death Battle video against Ben 10.
>Green Lantern has effectively replaced Aquaman as DC's laughing stock.
But that didn't actually happen though.
I should know, I was alive back then.
>and Green Lantern has effectively replaced Aquaman as DC's laughing stock.
Second time I hear this. It’s definitely a samegay too
OP is talking about comics and you're talking about movies.
But the movie matters in this instance. Under Johns there was a ton of hype and GL was outselling Batman and Spider-Man. He was king, but after the movie bombed and GL sales across the board began to tank DC decided not to replace Johns with A list talent. From Johns leaving to Morrison taking on the book the GL line had really bad, cheap talent attached to it and popularity slide further as DC treated it as a low priority title. By the time Morrison was given Green Lantern the brand was dead again. Had the movie bot poisoned the well I don't think we would have spent so long with Vendetti. And yes A list talent doesn't always equal a good book but it helps keep sales up and shows the book is important to the company.
>He was king, but after the movie bombed and GL sales across the board began to tank DC decided not to replace Johns with A list talent.
This insinuates that DC didn't trust Geoff after the movie when really the guy became president or something at one point.
Not really. It's more they stopped investing in GL as a brand after the movie. It wasn't really Johns fault GL failed.
>The franchise never recovered from the 2011 movie
This is such a Reddit circa 2013 opinion. Go back.
>The franchise never recovered from the 2011 movie
WB won't let it recover
His current book is great. How are you gauging popularity? Casuals or in general?
I think OP meant how GL went from multiple ongoings to just one
>His current book is great
No.
Jeremy Adam's run is the first good GL in a decade.
It's not good yet. Nothing's happened.
Would you guys agree it has potential to be good?
No.
Then what does good look like?
Gerard Jones' 90's run is almost perfect, but we're not really comfortable discussing it or him anymore.
Didn't they actually start collecting that now or did I make that up?
Also some anon posted some of that run here recently and it was really rather kino.
Sometimes you need that Bryan Singer energy to cook up capekino I guess.
They started collecting it back in the 90's. I believe the first 8 issues as Green Lantern: The Road Back
Yeah a few years back they released the cancelled volume since it had already been printed but nothing came after that and I doubt he'll get a compendium. Which is a shame because I really do love that run.
No.
Four issues in and you're still unsure about Jeremy? He had the only fun Knight Terror story because Insomnia is a b***h compared to Parallax.
>He had the only fun Knight Terror story because my self-insert got to be a mary sue
this is the main issue with Halgays tbh
You're being annoying.
>mary sue
You said the same shit in the last GL thread.
>going full schizo
Fair play
No.
Geoff Johns and spectrumshit
And even that was actually just a final domino set off by emerald twilight - Johns and his Halwank is a direct byproduct of HEAT and how stupid kyle as lone lantern was
It's funny to think that Green lantern was essentially a prototype for modern rage-based method of keeping audiance engaged
What the hell are you talking about?
>And even that was actually just a final domino set off by emerald twilight
Isn't it weird how Death of Superman and Knightfall were temporary but Emerald Twilight was the status quo for a decade? To the point they had to cement it multiple times?
GL was following after Flash who died and was replaced by a younger version.
When they should have done that with Hawkman
>GL was following after Flash who died and was replaced by a younger version.
Flash didn't become an antagonist like Hal did. You wanna know the crazy part? Denny O'Neil helped penned it despite having worked on GL twenty years prior. He never understood GL and yet people wank his run.
Warnerbros assumed the title and character were bad and refused to allow him to appear in any media ever again. So no GL appearing in any of Snyder's DCEU, no Green Lantern in any DCAU for about ten years.
Then Morrison's run was fricking boring since it consisted of nothing but callbacks to obscure 60s era shit.
Thorne's run was fricking terrible and had no Hal
Hal was not present in Snyder's JLA run and John was an ultraviolet lantern for some fricking reason.
Yet they rather push Aquaman over him.
>Warnerbros assumed the title and character were bad and refused to allow him to appear in any media ever again.
And it was their fault in the first place.
Yeah, they jumped to the most extreme conclusion about it. They never just assumed they made a shitty movie, they assumed the character and concept itself was poison and buried all appearances of GL after.
>refused to allow him to appear in any media ever again.
He had a cartoon though.
The cartoon was supposed to go alongside the movie push, but the movie flopping killed the cartoon.
He then appeared in Justice League Action and was in multiple DCAMU films
>Then Morrison's run was fricking boring since it consisted of nothing but callbacks to obscure 60s era shit.
Still better than trying to retread Johns
I just hate Halgays so they make me not want to read his books anymore. Shame since I liked the rainbow corps but then they got all pissy and upset that Hal wasn't the sole focus so they moved away from it
The "downfall" is that the story got told, Hal and the Green lanterns just don't have anything to do.
Morrison Season 1 and The Blackstars mini were kino
Season 2's increasingly bizarre layout and story made it an incoherent mess
The failed 5G/Future event decided to immediately cuck the GLC by having all power batteries go out, then Jo and Bendis' OC got thrust into the spotlight for a while
I mean John Stewart got more of a push then both of those characters combined.
This. Season 1 and the mini were cool, but season 2 was Meds: The Comic. Trying to read it made me feel like I was losing my mind.
Was it Morrison who wanted GL cut down to one book or was that editorial?
That's editorial, you only had to see how other titles was trying the same thing to get that.
Morrison historically hates working with other writers. No doubt he wanted to be the only one using Green Lantern. On the flip side there was an agreed upon number of issues so Morrison had it in two parts with the Blackstar mini in the middle. Then it got cut down by some issues. But Morrison got so much freedom during that whole run. Didio is unironically a close friend of Morrison and gives him almost everything he wants.
Did Moz have a schizoid break in season 2?
Totally natural response when learning about Future state.
Ah, very possible.
Meds.
>booted out from being the EIC of Heavy Metal
Wasn't aware of this.
>Grant Morrison was previously announced as Editor-In-Chief, though his contract ended sometime in 2018/2019, though he is currently in dispute with the publishers.
Something happened but I don't know the specifics. Apparently it didn't end well which is made obvious since he wasn't kept on.
Rumor floating around is that Grant got fricked over on budget (IE they told him he'd have a lot of money to spend on getting big name talent to do stories for Heavy Metal) but fricked him over telling him he'd have to work with less money budget-wise than promise. Made worse by the fact that, to help Waid raise money to pay for his fancy fricking lawyer to save his ass after Waid fricked over Diversity and Comics, Grant got Waid a do nothing job where he was supposed to find new up and coming talent for Grant who'd work dirt cheap but instead did jack shit and drew a large paycheck while doing nothing; which probably helped get Morrison forced out.
Depends on when he got booted out from being the EIC of Heavy Metal because it felt like he took that style and his anger back to DC.
>Did Moz have a schizoid break
Morrison has occasional breaks from being schizo
>Morrison historically hates working with other writers.
Except his defining runs on X-Men/Justice League/Batman all involved having to work with and synchronize his work with others writers and their work.
Morrison not wanting to work with other writers seems like a total myth giving the body of his work.
You ever wonder how every comic that led into Final Crisis got retconned by Final Crisis itself? There are also stories of Morrison submitting his stories at the last minute so editors and other writers can't make him change anything. You can say that's based but it has made it difficult working with him. 52 was a miracle. This is why he called dibs on the New Gods so nobody else could use them for years.
>You ever wonder how every comic that led into Final Crisis got retconned by Final Crisis itself?
You mean Countdown to Final Crisis?
Not just that but also Death of the New Gods and Countdown Arena. The former revealed the Anti-Life Equation is one thing but Morrison wanted it to be something else so that had to be retconned. Countdown Arena was a tournament of different universe versions of characters fighting to be part of the event for some reason and that amounted to nothing.
Those were editorially mandated comics meant to captialize on Final crisis and not necessarily other writer's projects getting shit down because of Morrison.
I have never seen an event retcon every comic that lead into it. That doesn't happen. It's always coordinated and planned out months and even years in advance. Countdown to Final Crisis was a 52 issue weekly comic and it was retconned and forgotten. Completely contradicted by Final Crisis. Same thing with Death of the New Gods and Arena. And that's not the only time something like that happened with Morrison.
>I have never seen an event retcon every comic that lead into it
Because the comics didn't actually do that.
And yet Final Crisis did. A first in the comics industry.
You misunderstood what I'm saying because I was saying that all those tie-in comics didn't actually lead into Final crisis.
>A first in the comics industry.
Knowing the nature of writers and editors, I doubt it.
Countdown happened because no one gave a frick about Seven Soldiers along with the fact that a lot of writers plus DiDio didn't like that the final battle happened off-camera and wanted to use the New Gods and Darkseid in particular one last time before they got embargoed after Final Crisis.
>Seven Soldiers
Yeah this was the real countdown to Final Crisis.
It was the real Final Crisis too. I never got the love Cinemaphile has for Final Crisis, it's the bloated, less cohesive copy of Seven Soldiers.
That's a spurious line of reasoning. A book retconning out a tie-in does not stop the tie-in from existing.
You are the bloated, less cohesive copy of this dick, homie.
>That's a spurious line of reasoning. A book retconning out a tie-in does not stop the tie-in from existing.
You're still not really getting this, those tie-in comics did not have a creative voice behind them but an editorial one.
>You ever wonder how every comic that led into Final Crisis got retconned by Final Crisis itself?
The whole thing was a mess. It wasn't just Morrison's stuff, but Countdown, DoNG, Salvation Run, etc. I know this place doesn't want to hear it, but 52-done-right can be pretty much laid at the feet of Didio and his attempt at trying to create mega-events to boost sales (the results were the total opposite).
>This is why he called dibs on the New Gods so nobody else could use them for years.
Because nobody at DC was interested in New Gods after most of the pre-2000s editors at DC left. The various attempts at making New Gods a thing including Morrison's Hypercrisis were all children to the editorial efforts back during that period. Once those people retired, there just wasn't much effort by editorial to push the NG outside of stuff like Final Crisis or the GL crossover during New 52. You can say Morrison called dibs, but at the same time, there just wasn't much interest in New Gods. Final Crisis most famously got its ass kicked by Captain America Reborn for example.
Morrison saw 5G coming and how Death Metal was going to bring it about. So he wanted nothing to do with it. Also the evergreen shit, which DiDio hired him for which gave Morrison leverage to tell DiDio that his run would sell better in trades if it didn't reference Year of the Villain or TBWL and Perpetua
Smart thinking grant.
>So he wanted nothing to do with it.
That was literally everybody at DC includng guys like Snyder, Tynion and Williamson who were all planning to backout of DC. If we believe Morrison, Snyder was trying to lead an intervention at DC to stop 5G.
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.
It's not. That why Bendis, Fraction, KSD, etc got hired. Because most of the DC veterans wanted nothing to do with 5G. And we know from Morrison himself that Snyder and co were against it:
>(Fellow freelancers felt differently – such was the massive and catastrophic impact on their plans that DC’s most prominent writer at the time, someone I respect a great deal, called to enlist my aid in what he described as an ‘intervention’
>Because most of the DC veterans wanted nothing to do with 5G
Bullshit on you using the word "veteran" considering Williamson was more new blood then Bendis.
Williamson already did a 100 issue run on Flash and has a body of indy work at Image. So he's absolutely a veteran. It's just like most of Cinemaphile, you don't read non-cape comics.
>Williamson already did a 100 issue run on Flash
Yeah, from 2016 and it wasn't a seminal piece of work.
I've never seen anyone pull a source for these rumors, it's always conjecture like they said it at a con.
https://grantmorrison.substack.com/p/142-superman-and-the-authority-annotations
That quote is straight from Grant Morrison.
Well it's good to hear the words straight from the horse's mouth...because it lets me see exactly where
twist Morrison's words to vilify 5G and Dan Didio. This wasn't the DC old guard making a final stand but new blood getting too cagey, if anything Morrison represented the actual DC Veteran opinion.
>I felt we should just let it rip and make hay, which was easy for me to say, as I knew I was on my way out and I wasn’t having years’ worth of story planning thrown out!)
>cast doubt on his judgment yet again. It was never my intention to provide ammunition for haters and I’d like to make it clear that Dan has been one of my closest friends in the comics business for a long time. I wouldn’t have stayed with DC so long if not for Dan. Without him there would be no Seven Soldiers, All Star Superman, Batman, Final Crisis, Action Comics, Multiversity, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern or Superman and the Authority. Many readers disagreed with his decisions and in some cases at maximum volume I did too but his exuberant love for comics and support for my work was never in doubt).
Tynion always wants to blame editors for his and Snyder's shit tenure as Architects but more then the half of the blame is on guys like them and Williamson.
I don't doubt the fact that there's shitty management making decisions based on the shitwarm twitter de jour but writing wise Tynion is still mids as the kids would say.
Tynion was never an architect though. He was a fill-in writer for Detective during Rebirth (the original writer for Detective was King) and his run on Batman was to build up to Didio's 5G and even then because of various reasons he upped and left after Fear State.
>Tynion was never an architect though
He kinda was, he was making moves like making Earth Prime Alan Scott gay and heading changes to the Batman line.
Most of those changes (the post-Joker war stuff) occurred during Covid and post-layoffs where there was nobody at the driver seat or rather they were stretched too thin with too many people laid off and gone from DC. I don't think he was an architect given he upped and left the main Batman book after Fear State.
Morrison didn't have anywhere near the clout during his Justice League run. He enjoyed a ton of freedom at Marvel and was the primary on the X-franchise that other writers had to follow. Same story with Batman; he didn't have to work with anybody, everybody had to work with him. But the real answer as to where this really becomes noticeable is Nu52, where his unwillingness to coordinate, or even communicate, with other writers caused George Perez to leave the Superman title because he got tired of having to repeatedly rewrite scripts at the last minute because Morrison wanted to use a character or concept first.
>Morrison didn't have anywhere near the clout during his Justice League run
Excuse you? Grant got that run because of his clout.
>Excuse you?
DID I STUTTER?
We're talking about a guy who was already a millionaire from his Arkham: a serious place on serious earth GN.
No, he successfully pitched a relaunch of the title following it's decline after the Giffen/DeMattis era.
Yeah and they gave it to him because of his clout as a writer.
He got it because they approved his pitch.
That doesn't mean they're not tie-ins. It also also pretty assumptive to say they lack a creative voice, especially considering Mary Marvel's Countdown arc was a direct continuation of an existing storyline.
>He got it because they approved his pitch.
And they approve his pitch because of his reputation as a writer.
>Yeah and they gave it to him because of his clout as a writer.
That's not true. It wasn't clout that got him the job. The editor put in charge of reviving JLA: Dan Raspler was open to putting someone unconventional on the book. He famously put Veitch who was far less famous than Morrison on Aquaman too in the 2000s. And of course the guys under him were willing to work with Vertigo guys like Ennis (for stuff like Hitman). It's just in general his corner of editorial were more eager to hire Vertigo people in contast to guys like Carlin and Dooley/Berganza.
>That's not true
Oh so you're saying the fact that this was Grant Morrison didn't come into the equation here?
Morrison's name was basically nothing back then, he couldn't get the Titans book he wanted and his ideas for Superman and Hypercrisis went nowhere until Didio came along. That part of DC absolutely took a risk with Morrison that paid off. And even then rest of DC didn't care for him, Millar and the rest of the Britishers, which is why they left for Marvel.
>And even then rest of DC didn't care for him, Millar and the rest of the Britishers, which is why they left for Marvel.
I thought it was because that greasy wop editor at Marvel bought them off?
He earned it.
he hasn't earned it, he's a fricking lamer
every other gl is cooler than he is
>every other gl is cooler than he is
Guy sure. Everyone else? Nah.
We have known for years that was editorial's fault. The same editor on Superman has been thrown under the bus by multiple people working at DC and Marvel and has been responsible for some really terrible comics like Amazons Attack.
Morrison didnt want one GL book so much as he wanted a guarantee that Hal couldn't appear in other books so he didn't have to tie in or reference Snyder's shit in his run. He was OK with John in JLA; Kyle and Guy were the Lanterns that got fricked over by this policy as they didn't appear outside of cameos during this period.
DiDio DID try and cancel Season 2 prematurely by claiming Darkstars counted as part of the twelve issues that Morrison was given for season two but backlash to this got Morrison his full season two run.
As for DiDio in general, Morrison's GL sold well but not as well as he wanted. Also, the overall goal for the run was to get another batch of evergreen GL trades on shelves. Which is why he was willing to give Morrison what he wanted with Hal doing his own thing not bound by Year of the Villain/Death Metal outside a Sinestro one-off that Mark Russell wrote. Morrison's run was supposed to be Hal's Long Halloween or Hush: a self-contained evergreen run that will keep selling for years to come.
>Morrison's run was supposed to be Hal's Long Halloween or Hush: a self-contained evergreen run that will keep selling for years to come.
F in chat
I liked it I don't see that happening.
I do, it's genuinely evergreen in the sense that you need any other GL book to understand this.
You honestly think casuals will like season 2 of that run?
I like the Omniwar metaphor.
Only came here to post Jess
Me too!
It’s so weird that they made Jessica look like a female Hal
hey at least its better than that other design they keep trying
She wasn't even the best GL on that show.
Yeah she was.
She was Hal's Jannetty. All she had going for her was having a fat ass.
>She was Hal's Jannetty
AKA being the better GL.
Get a load of this fricking mark lmao
KWAB
What's kwab supposed to mean?
That version of Hal was literally moronic...
He got away with everything and was rewarded for it with Carol sex.
>All she had going for her was having a fat ass.
Yeah but that's all she needs.
>sniffs that chair when nobody is looking
Morrison was always a schizo.
Comic Jess still is superior though.
not muh jess
As a Jessfan I am very disappointed in Lauren Faust's take on Jessica Cruz and her attitude towards the character's tragic backstory comes off as arrogant. She wrote off one of the most relatable presentation of someone dealing with social anxiety because she heard there was some gun violence in it.
Faust took an American Puerto Rican girl born and raised in east Washington, and turned her into a typical standard cookie cutter Mexican stereotype with a shitty accent because we need Latin representation. Then invented a 100% totally new, different personality for her.
I honestly question of Faust even knows that Puerto Rico is a part of the US and not some lesser known country in south America somewhere.
Well while Jess is American born her actual ethnic makeup is Mexican/Honduran and not Puerto Rican.
And yes, that accent was a choice.
>Geoff Lanterns was a fluke and it will never happen again
>What happened to Green Lantern's popularity?
Hal is boring
jon is the better character
>jon is the better character
Disregard anyone who says this. John hasn't been cool since 1993.
Everyone knows that it's Jess
Only when she's with Simon. Or naked.
>Simon
Literally Jess' Jannetty.
They're each other Jannetty.
God I miss them SO MUCH.
I always thought that they basically forced Hal into a role that was better fitted for Simon.
>I always thought that they basically forced Hal into a role that was better fitted for Simon.
Hal was a massive thot growing up
Growing up? He still is.
Pre-Rebirth. If you told me that fricking Humphries was going to go to DC and put out one of the best books in years with a pair of characters with amazing chemistry and no romance between them, fun arcs, and explaining Jess' anxiety and how she uses her willpower to overcome it, I wouldn't have believed you.
Humphries also made a decent Harley Quinn run that gave her characterization/consistency that she desperately needed. New 52 was so garbage with Harley
what weird, girly art. always weird to see normally-muscular-super-masculine men occasionally drawn in these feminine styles.
The moment GL goes to shit, I'm done with DC.
so you're done?
Guy Gardner is for the children.
Emerald Twilight was the best thing to happen to Hal in the 90s. Dude looked so old and was in such boring stories.
How nice of Kyle to keep the seat warm while Hal waited for a writer to come along and fix all of that.
The weird part is that Geoff is a self-admitted Flashgay.
Say what you want about Johns, but you gotta be impressed that he saved the racist groomer who tore up the universe
DC assassinated Hal's character, Geoff gave the fans what they wanted for the past decade.
Green Lantern wasn't usually popular
it had a huge surge during Johns power ranger lanterns
but its pretty much returned to its usual B-List popularity
So of all the weird silver age this this guy represents, are we back to Green Lantern rings having low key reality warping again?
Because they have been reduced to green breakable shit for so long now, especially in team books that happen to have Superman in them.
did a fricking bot make this shit? This is a word for word copy of a reply I made to one of those composite superman threads last week
It doesn't even make sense out of context here
After putting some thought into I realize that the reason why so many writers after Geoff struggled is that is there is literally nowhere to go after that run. Hal conquered death so many times over, he's beaten antagonists who can kill the DCverse ten times over, he's destined to have a future as a father grandfather and great-grandfather and go down as the greatest GL of all time.
Almost like maybe it's time to retire the character..except GLgays fricking screech if he's not the most important character doing the most important thing in any given story.
>Almost like maybe it's time to retire the character..except GLgays fricking screech if he's not the most important character doing the most important thing in any given story.
You do realize that Hal wasn't the only one to get a happy ending right? Literally everyone else in the GLC got one too.
That has nothing to do with what I said? Just retire Hal and let some of the other lanterns be the main one for a while
>Just retire Hal and let some of the other lanterns be the main one for a while
Last time that happened, Geoffrey Throne killed the series.
He didn't even make a GL series. He immediately depowered everyone and made a normal guys struggling to get by series. People read GL to see fricking GL shit, not non-powered guys get around.
It's not about doing something greater than what's been done. It's all about keeping things fresh but also familiar. Batman has been doing that better than any other superhero over the decades.
>Batman has been doing that better than any other superhero over the decades.
I don't know anon, this past decade of Batman has been pretty mediocre.
I'm not talking about just this decade I'm talking about them all. That's why I said "over the decades." And every hero has had slumps like that. All it takes is the right writer to set things right and hopefully stay on the title for as long as possible.
That run put everything Batman had up to that point to shame.
This line of thinking is the problem. A story does not have to continuously escalate forever and ever.
The answer is Hal goes back to the same old beat stopping space pirates, conquerors and green men from planet X on a routine basis. He does not always have to stop massive armies of lantern wielding enemies. Just to take on Evil Star or something again.
he doesn't deserve the title of "DA GREYTEST!!!"
His push ended when the movie flopped.
I think DC and Marvel should just die. There's nothing left to do.
I think you should just die.
Johns movie did
just pure pottery
So do you think Black Adam and The Flash are going to be shafted after their box office performances?
Black Adam yes
>playable on multiversus
>Big dark crisis focus
LOL lmao even
Flash? Maybe
Stuff like that impacts mostly shows and games. Comics are unaffected if they're good enough. Green Lantern kept going even with the live action movie bombing and even got a couple of great animated movies too. Shame about GLTAS though. Black Adam will still be used in Shazam whenever possible. We'll see what becomes of him after this Knightmare event is over. Flash is safe. Nothing is going to happen to him.
>Black Adam
He never mattered
The Flash
lol no
Morrison saved it in so far as the post-Johns run sucking BAD and Morrison saving it with a run that will be the next major evergreen GL run behind the O'Neill/Adams run and the Johns/Tomasi run.
The only issue is that Hal was isolated from the greater DCU during this run so John snuck back in as the "face" of the franchise and ran it into the ground, especially after Thorne's abortion of a run and Bendis creating a crappy darkie teen GL.
Isn't GL getting a series?
it already started but there's only 2 issues in so far and right now it's on pause because there's a "major" crossover event
No I meant a cartoon series.
Do you mean tv series or comic series? Cause yes on both counts the current comic is being written by Jeremy Adams and the tv series has been in development hell for quite some time now the most recent update has Tom King heavily involved so you know it’s gonna suck ass
So did Parallax murder Green Arrow yet?
I WANT HIM TO DESTROY EVERYTHING AGAIN
I want some of Hal's Mary-Sue-ness to rub off on the Spectre so bad, anons. Just like, a little bit. I'm so tired of the Spectre being someone that Batman can laugh at.
I fell off during the dumb new gods arc. I heard at some point the sinestro corps and GLC merged?
And soranik natu got a yellow ring?
Yes but none of that matters anymore.
another reboot, I guess?
You don't always need reboot, hell sometimes you don't even need retcons. Time is good enough for people to forget about these changes and just ressume their starting position.
Not quite. DC couldn't get a writer on JLA to take over from Jones because they kept telling writers they were stuck with some form/variation of the last Gerald Jones JLA roster and any changes would be controlled by editorial not the writers (IE Hawkman was off-limits and of the Big Seven, Wonder Woman and Flash were the only ones they could use and only if Waid and Byrne let them stay on the team).
Grant was asked to pitch for them but rather than make a pitch on the Jones roster, Grant said "frick it" and made the case they needed to bring back the Big Seven and make JLA A-List again.
Grant was told "frick no" but by that point, DC was so desperate and looking at freaking Fabian Nicieza as a possible JLA writer and Fabian, when told about Grant's pitch restoring the Big Seven line-up, told DC "Grant's right, you need to bring back the Big Seven because no one gives a frick about a D-List JLA you've been using the last decade". And also made the suggestion that they needed a clean slate; a brand new #1 and the end of the spin-offs (Extreme Justice and Justice League Task Force).
With no other option, DC caved and gave Grant the book and canceled the existing JLA titles and gave Fabian a mini to reunite the Big Seven, because TPTB had to then tard wrangle the Big Seven editors (most notably the c**ty Bat-Editors) to make them go along with the restoration of the Big Seven JLA. And even then, Grant's protection from editors was a constant struggle; he was forced to write out Wonder Woman and Connor Hawke and incorporate energy Superman and having to rewrite his planned big Darkseid story to take place in the future because of Byrne's Genesis mini-series.
>gave Fabian a mini to reunite the Big Seven
sauce?
He's talking about the Midsummer Nightmare mini written by Nicieza that became a preclude to the Morrison JLA book.
Was he EVER really popular?
Hal? Yeah he was.
there was a point in the late 2000s/early 2010s where green lantern had 3 ongoings, plus two spinoffs.
He was pretty popular for a while and like
Green Lantern started getting pretty big, but then the live action movie came out and he became the old Aquaman meme for a while where everyone started making fun of them because Aquaman was cool since people liked the live action adaptation.
No one gave enough shit for it to become a meme.
More people were upset with how cheap the effects and plot was than the premise of Green Lantern.
from 2006 until 2012 is was even outselling batman/avengers tier.
People will complain about Rainbow Corps but shit drew in new readers
The Rainbow Corps were great, it's a bit of a silly concept but it's presented without any sense of irony so it works.
Green Lantern comics would really benefit from still having the Rainbow Corps around as a background element if nothing else, what they did after Geoff Johns left was a terrible mistake.
Sinestro Corps should have become the main lantern corps of the Antimatter Universe based on Qward, and under the antimonitor as their guardian. They are meaningless sitting around on Korugar doing nothing for the last decade.
The other guys have even less of a function. Blues never really mattered and there were only like 5 of them anyway. Orange is just Larfleeze so he can stick around as a recurring villain. Violets I guess can stay but they accomplish fricking nothing too. Indigo never did do anything, I guess they can be a prison for especially bad villains? Reds can be the troublemakers of the week that show up causing problems for no good reason other than to be bad guys.
I think Indigo is the only one that you can't really do anything with that would give them a purpose within the setting. Greens are space cops and peacekeepers, and come with all the issues inherent with cops and peacekeeping missions. Blues are basically knights errant mixed with MSF, helping and healing but lack numbers and cohesiveness as an organization. Reds are inherently self-serving and self-perpetuating, and pretty much a force of nature barely kept in line by a handful of elites. Yellows are expansionist autocrats who believe that only when the galaxy is broken and in chains at their feet will it thrive. Star Sapphires are the galactic embodiment of a suffocating nanny state. Larfleeze is Larfleeze.
I got an idea for the Indigo Tribe and it's something modeled after the historical figures of tlThe Assassins. Bunch of remorseless killers find cosmic compassion and are now quite remorseful killers, creating a space sanctuary-fortress where they strike out acorss the galaxies selecting the targets ehose death will create the most good.
Damn look at them quints, someone get DC on the phone quick.
>also instead of power rings they use power tattoos because that shit is frickin' tight.
>They're called the weeping assassins by some. Some of the worst killers and maniacs known to the galaxy now secluded in their little monastery, enthralled by the Indigo flame that connects them to the empathy and sanctity of life across the cosmos.
>Why are they after me?
>Because they have determined the galaxy would be a tangibly better place without you in it.
>What are they going to do with me?
>If you're lucky, they'll kill you. If not, they're going to drag you back to their little fortress cloister, burn out everything in your mind and soul that makes you a person, and carve your flesh with sigils that enslaves you forever to the light that binds them.
>nok nok.
>who's there?
>Proselyte.
>Proselyte who?
>Proselyte who is already deep within you.
>Nok
>Nok
This chick's vegana must be like a foot long, at least.
veganas aren't long, their deep
Look at her crotch, lad. Its alien crotch/vegana. Its huge.
that's why you have to nok before you enter
Everyone loved the idea, but everyone also wanted them to go away the second the event was done. Instead they just kind of stuck around for another 4-5 years doing nothing special and GLs only ever interacted with other color lanterns and nothing else the whole time.
Rainbow Corps was fine, problem is they went in bad directions after Johns left
>problem is they went in bad directions after Johns left
They've gone literally nowhere since Johns left, when was the last time any of them were relevant?
>when was the last time any of them were relevant?
Quite literally a decade ago in 2013 when Johns finished his run and the cartoon ended.
I miss them, everyone b***hes and whines about how Johns made them the only ones the GL Corps interacted with for a long time, but once he was gone, they all pretty much faded into obscurity, only making very short cameos once in a while.
I feel like no writer wants to use them because Johns already did a lot with them, but that kinda sucks, specially because the Rainbow Corps are part of the reason Green Lantern became mainstream for a while.
Sinestros and Larfleeze stuck around for a bit but even those guys dropped off hard around 2015 or so. The rest of them have not had any real appearances since 2011-12. It's been a long damn time.
I think it was fine the Lanterns only really dealt with rainbow corps stuff under Johns because he built them up to be good supporting heroes and antagonists for the GL Corp. They were such a popular concept and really deepened and expanded the general lore. I think that run did for Green Lantern what Waids run did for Flash. There are great older runs but those runs made the character what it is. How people think of them. Expect later writers kept expanding on the speed force, while later GL writers kicked all the world building to the curb and tried to avoid everything that made Johns run so popular in the first place.
>Expect later writers kept expanding on the speed force, while later GL writers kicked all the world building to the curb and tried to avoid everything that made Johns run so popular in the first place.
Venditti ruined everything and the scope kept getting smaller and smaller.
Nothing wrong with a story, or even a run, having a smaller scope. It's even arguable that such stories are vitally important for characters to prevent readers from burning out on ever increasing stakes. The problem is that they took something that was popular and upon seeing that interest had cooled on it decided to just relentlessly frick with it instead of putting it aside for a bit and telling other stories. When you're dealing with a setting as vast as the entirety of cosmic DC people outright expect things to get moved to the back burner at some point.
Regarding the scope, I knew it was over when the GL events stopped.
I hate the Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman trinity so much. I want more GL.
Honestly Wonder Woman has always been pushed as part of the hero Trinity even in the golden age when it was her Jay and Alan and she always comes off as the most forcibly pushed character
She’s DC’s Carol Danvers, and just like Carol Danvers she has nothing going for her.
In Brightest Day
In Blackest Night
Green Lantern doesn't work without DC continuity. That's why he next to no out of continuity books.
It's not a strong enough character or concept to exist without the political intrigue of what is the Sinestro Corps or Thanagar up to.
>Green Lantern doesn't work without DC continuity.
Green Lantern Earth One did it without DC continuity.
I’m so sad we ain’t getting a third part
Meanwhile Batman and fricking Wonder Woman get three.
They were gonna do Parallax weren’t they,
They were? That would have been so sick. The art was beautiful.
Well it ends with him being stranded in the Anti-Matter universe.
Earlier the Anti-Monitor is teased so I assume Hal would’ve been corrupted from being in that universe too long/instead of the bug it’d be Anti causing the fall.
This is just my speculation.
That book could have gone for five or even six mores volumes. I would have loved to see Guy and Kyle.
Same, the GL mythos (like Bats and Supes) worked very well in a vacuum.
Dude, Hal is a reckless space cop with a magic wishing ring powered by sheer will. How is that not a compelling concept?
>It's not a strong enough character or concept to exist without the political intrigue of what is the Sinestro Corps or Thanagar up to.
Are you kidding? Hal's unbreakable human spirit is what sets him apart from Superman and Batman.
>Did Morrison cause the downfall of the franchise?
moron
Has anyone read the Hal Jordan Spectre run?
Parts
It's hard going back to regular DC comics after wrapping up GL.
MY homie STEL
Johns made Simon and Jessica and pushed them, no one likes brown lanterns, now theres even more of them no one cares about crowding space
Jessica was a breakout character tho
>starts the meme that the GLC are boring losers who shoot green lasers and make basic b***h constructs
Gl is kind of weak and useless n that show. He got his ass handed to him and his ring broken by a Hawkman. The ring kept breaking over and over again, John never actually won a fight with anyone, and the other GLs were even more pathetic.
That always happens with the GLs.
The Blackest Night story isn't even an original, it was a Hal Jordan story.
I didn't know Far Sector sold like shit. I thought it was popular.
Whenever anyone says GL would have been better off without Hal, I'll show them this.
It was Twitter popular, but the book and Jo as a character sucked ass
Far sector was good though.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahahhahhahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaa…. No
What are you talking about no it wasnt
It's weird that you'd be so dismissive of Far Sector when it does so many things right.
>it's set on an alien world with a focus on how the alien world works.
>it's not about some overhyped cosmic being having a vendetta against the guardians.
>the protagonist is a likeable and fun lead who smooches alien babes all the time.
>le gay people can be heroes too!
They lost me with that shit homie.
But anon don't you want some positive representation for your kind?
Sick gif by the way.
Gay people by nature aren't brave. The editors at DC know this which is why they have retcon characters to be gay. Like Alan Scott.
>Gay people by nature aren't brave
You know, gay bashing isn't that old of a concept. That shit was still happening in the late 90s.
Again, gay people aren't brave. It makes more sense for a gay person to join the Sapphires than become a GL.
>gay people aren't brave
If you had a higher than average chance of getting hate crime'd whenever you walked out of your home and you still chose to walk out anyone with half a brain would consider that bravery.
And we all know you're desperate to be considered a disenfranchised minority, so don't play dumb. You know what I mean.
There's nothing brave about spreading HIV like vermin and doing bondage in front of children in June.
You were born in the 2000s, what the frick do you have to worry about HIV?
>the bondage shit is true but at least HIV can't kill you as bad anymore!
You have a higher chance of inheriting herpes simplex from your bawd mom than acquiring HIV from heterosexual coitus. You're a gay aren't you lmao
>You're a gay aren't you lmao
I'm not a Far Sector fan, no.
You'd be a lot cooler if you were.
Wow, a gay and ESL to boot. What are the odds?
I do think that's true but not because gays are bad people but because it just causes a consistency issue within the character.
But your homophobia is a problem that you should try to fix.
Nobody likes homosexual protagonists, hence why her comics bombed like Jon and Tim's.
Her comic "bombed"? This is such a consoomer mindset where you talk about how much money something made instead of the material itself.
It's not like the material was any good to begin with. Much like John Stewart, the character is only stand out because she's a minority. And not just any minority, she's a triple threat who is a gay black woman!
No one in this thread believes you'd prefer John anyway. You'd just find yet another way of calling him a virtue signaling Black person.
>No one in this thread believes you'd prefer John anyway.
That's John isn't cool anymore and hasn't been cool since they base him off that shitty Justice League cartoon.
Frick stoic marine John, I want civilian architect John back.
GIVE ME BACK MY EMOTIONAL BLACK MAN.
Crazy how DC still hasn't resurrected Katma Tui back, there's no way her death can still be canon.
I thought Thorne brought her back at the end of his run.
I hate the modern take of "John was just an angry black man" You'd think people would like how he was characterized originally. He wasn't just generic angry, he was a black man who was sick of putting up with bullshit from racist whites during the Civil Rights era and he didn't let people walk over him. It was fun and gave him a good dynamic with Hal because he didn't fullytrust Hal, nor did he let Hal dismiss his abilities. Now he's just stoic and boring.
What you need to do to write the best buddy cop movie between Hal and John is to start with the line " Hal, you are the craziest white boy I've ever met." and just work backwards from there.
>JOHN FRICKING SUCKS I KNOW BECAUSE I WATCHED THIS CARTOON ONCE
Case in point.
John used to be cool once, but not anymore and that's thanks to that cartoon which ruined his character and wasted him by turning him into a boring authoritarian in a team with three other sticks in the mud.
With both sticks being DC’s big two, John has no chance
It was a Bruce Timm production, everyone who wasn't his beloved Batman was going to take a back seat. You'd think with Dwayne McDuffie being on board John would get something, but nah.
>It's weird that you'd be so dismissive of Far Sector when it does so many things right.
>Far sector was good though.
>What? Far Sector was fairly popular here and often paraded around as diversity done right.
WTF are you all on about?? This comic was fricking awful and got luke-warm reception here at best. It was VERY clear the writer didnt give 2 fricks about the lore and even had the main character, a GL, who are chosen for their ability to overcome fear, be afraid of heights - hence, she doesnt fly. You can very easily point to Jessica Cruz and say "but she gets scared too!" but the thing about Jessica is that she OVERCAME her fear and left her home, which she was terrified to do. Thats why lanters are chosen. for their ABILITY TO OVER COME GREAT FEAR. Idiot far sector, whatever the frick her idiot name is, does NOT over come her fear. She avoids flying because she's scared to. One of MANY reasons why that book/character suck shit. Y'all clearly didnt read the book, are not GL fans, or are just trollin.
>moron finds out the majority of the board doesn't hate things just because someone else told them to
It's like watching a newborn animal trying to walk lmao
You are a silly little boy. I read the book and didnt like it. I dont care what you, or anyone says. I'm just stating the face that it was not well respected, in general, despite what you think.
Forgive me, I was mistaken. The point still stands.
>The point still stands
No it doesn't, her fear of falling is tired directly to the fact that while her ring recharges itself it does so slowly and that she decides flying is too impractical for constant use.
I dont think you read the actual comic because none of this came up until after the fact. She clearly states she is afraid of flying/falling and that is why she doesnt fly in the first few issues.
Not sure what you're referring to, but she did.
You are putting words in my mouth. I said it wasnt well received around here, and that I didnt like it, that was it. Its a shit book, thats about what I said and my main point.
>I said it wasnt well received around here
Three people stated otherwise, and the only moron who might even side with you in this thread is regurgitating the same stupid shit you just said.
Ok, great. Some people disagree that it wasn't well received at the time that it came out. Wow, I guess I'm crushed here. Even if I'm 100% wrong, so what? Cinemaphile liked a shit book, what else is new?
Hmmm thats not how I remember it, but I could be wrong. I admit that. Either way, I think its a shit book. It pisses all over GL lore and I wont stand for it.
>Even if I'm 100% wrong, so what?
But you are 100% wrong. That's what makes your kvetching all the more hilarious.
>That's what makes your kvetching all the more hilarious.
Hmmm you make it sound like I'm having some sort of hissy fit, but I'm just recalling how things were. You seem to have a different idea of how I view these things.
I have to ask, what was your favorite thing about that series? What do you like about Jo? I'd be interested to know.
>but I'm just recalling how things were
Not really.
Probably don't remember it that way because it wasn't shilled with never ending threads. I remember it because the constant praise was the only reason I read it. I'd argue too it was very much a flavor of the month book. Pushed for a time and them everyone forgot about it.
>Pushed for a time and them everyone forgot about it.
I don't understand this zoomer mentality. Everything before the advent of torrents was a one-time event.
>It pisses all over GL lore
It doesn't though.
I've given at least one reason why it does, please provide your counter.
Can any of you (probably the same anon) provide any reason why you liked the book? I'm happy to admit I'm not on this site 24/7, nor do I have the best memory ever, by my recollection is the book was not well received. I ADMIT I could be wrong. But, regardless of that, what is it, if anything, you all liked about the book/character? What plot points got you excited to see the next book(s)? Its rare I get people who have read the book that I can discuss it with.
It's a fun adventure book featuring an unique Lantern. You can seethe now.
Its more of a beet cop thing if you ask me. What did you think about the lab work stuff, specifically (which was a plot point, in multiple issues)?
Are you seriously skip-reading the trade just so you can ask specific questions in bad faith? Just how mad are you, bruv? What happens if I say I like it? Do you exit the thread?
No, I havnt read it since it came out. I'm just asking questions. Like I said, its not often I get to chat with someone who actually read the book. I dont even have a trade, I have flopies in some long box somewhere I've misplaced somewhere.
You've already said you like it. I'm curious what you like about it that you seem to be unable to answer other than one, single, broad statement. That its a "fun adventure". Considering its a cop investigating murders and diving into political nonsense, I dont see how that really applies, but thats why I ask.
>Like I said, its not often I get to chat with someone who actually read the book
God, you're such a passive-aggressive homosexual.
I already said I didn't really feel anything for it. I read it because a lot of threads lead to me believe it was good, but it didn't resonate with me one way or the other.
No she didn't, you're just being pedantic.
So when you're saying that N.K. Jemisin disrespected the lore, she just plainly didn't.
>I read the book and didnt like it
I don't really give a shit. You clearly wanted to paint the book as deeply unpopular SJW shit and it was nothing of the sort.
>You clearly wanted to paint the book as deeply unpopular SJW shit and it was nothing of the sort.
The book was automatic SJW shit with its black dyke protagonist.
How does it feel to have a two-digit IQ?
I wouldn't know, I'm not one of the five people who bought Far Sector.
>n-no u
That's just sad. At least people like you can get a job at Target or some shit.
I'm an industrial engineer 🙂 I don't waste my time reading LGBT comics lol
>I'm an industrial engineer
This is the most LGBT statement in the entire thread.
Jo didn't have a fear of flying, she had a fear of falling.
All I said was it was fairly popular here at release. Because it was. It wasn't shilled to high heaven but it was frequently spoken of as a good book at the time in threads and Jo came up a lot in comparison to other diversity characters at the time as a one people liked. Mostly in comparison to Iron Heart. You don't have to like the book, I'm fairly indifferent myself and if I'm being honest I preferred shota Lantern, but people liked it back then. It was a decently received book.
I thought it was done better in Mystery in Space and I thought Captain Comet was a More likable protag
Well that's apples to oranges anon, Far Sector and Mystery in Space are so radically different that you can't compare the two.
>Earthling with powers is in charge of security on an Alien Hub world
Again Mystery in Space did it better
>Again Mystery in Space did it better
There's no way to actually know that.
What are you talking about? Are you moronic? Of course there’s a way to know, you fricking read both books you dumbass.
You could read both books and it wouldn't matter because they're too different.
Ah ok, so you are moronic. You know we could have saved so much time if you said that in the first place.
You do realize I’m not saying it’s the same exact story done beat for beat right, I’m saying both books have the same basic premise and that it was executed better in Mystery in Space.
And I'm saying you're wrong and that neither have the same story.
Do you not know the difference between Premise and Story? What grade are you fricking in? Have you learned basic reading comprehension yet?
>premise somewhat resembles one another
>DUDE ITS THE SAME FRICKIN THING AND ITS BETTERER
Nah.
>Superpowered individual is a security officer on an Alien Hubworld trying to solve a case before shit goes down
Which book am I talking about?
I'm gonna need more information because you're being too vague right now.
Either guess or shut the frick up
There's no point in guessing when you're being this disingenuous.
Or you know answer the question and guess which book I’m referring to with that premise. Either that or just admit they have the same premise and we can be done with this
But it's not the same premise.
Then which one did I describe?
If you can’t answer you’ve already admitted they are the same
>Then which one did I describe?
Neither.
No I described both
You're trying to at least.
If I was gonna describe both I would make sure to mention that Mystery in Space is not a stand alone series like Far Sector. If you're reading MiS with Captain Comet you're gonna have to be up to date with Starlin's lesser known DC Cosmic works.
So Mystery in soace is a hardboiled two fisted pulp detective story where Captain Comet ressurects on Hardcore station to fight an evil cult while Far Sector is a more politcal bent and character driven neo-noir romp where Sojourner is on the City Enduring to root out corruption.
These two books are just too different to be conpared to.
So what you’re saying is essentially both stories are
>Superpowered individual is a security officer on an Alien Hubworld trying to solve a case before shit goes down
>security officer
I got to hand it to you, that's good rhetoric, I just noticed you using security officer instead of something natural like cop or police because you know that Captain Comet isn't the law on Hardcore Station.
Because you know there's a clear difference between what Blake is doing on Hardcore station and Jo is doing in The City Enduring.
You did slip on "Alien Hubworld" though, Hardcore station is well a Hub station so it fits but The City Enduring seems too isolated to be what is considered even a waystation.
Listen we can keep doing this all day, it’s definitely keeping the thread alive, but there’s more important things than constantly dunking on you and showcasing you have no idea what you’re talking about considering you’ve shown no actual argument to show your point aside from “nah-uh”. So if you want to believe that
>Superpowered individual is a security officer on an Alien Hubworld trying to solve a case before shit goes down
Doesn’t describe both than be my guest but you are living in a fantasy world and the moment you realize that the better off you’ll be.
To be honest I’ve wasted more time talking about Far Sector than that shitty book has ever deserved
And I don't consider to be a waste of time because I like discussing DC Cosmic stuff.
Which is literally true by the way, you are describing neither book because if you were to mention anymore details then you know your entire schtick would disappear in a puff of logic.
literally a white savior narrative but it's ok since it's a black woman who's the savior this time.
>but the book and Jo as a character sucked ass
I love her fat ass but I hate her stupid haircut.
Jo definitely came off Thorne's run looking a lot worse than I think he intended. For some reason the one last GL who still had a working ring never once left Oa to go look for all the missing lanterns who vanished after the central power battery went down. She just placed herself in charge of all of OA and everyone on it...apparently in some might makes right type of situation since she still had a working ring, and ignored the actual leaders of the corps. And she was just...in charge, while not really doing much but ordering Salaak around a lot.
And this went on for a year in universe time. Never left Oa at all ever. 300 lanterns were found and killed by bounty hunters, Jo never did a single thing. It did not look great here,
Thorne made the classic rookie mistake of letting DC editoral roping him into being a Hatchetman for their ideas in exchange of getting a chance to write his dream run about John Stewart. Jo didn't do anything because Thorne was just told to involve her.
Thorne seemed to genuinely hate the thing he was writing and spent as much time trying to make it not GL as he could, and then was only interested in elevating his favorite characters by slapping leadership and special prophesied ones labels on them. But still never actually did anything to promote the story.
And I usually despise stories where they take the superpowered hero, depower them, and then spend 80-90% of the run portraying the non powered guy doing non powered stuff only to have a single superhero fight in the very end. I'm not reading GL to see the adventures of a nonpowered guy on an alien planet beat pirates with a stick, or another nonpowered guy go get into arguments with aliens for a couple issues.
I felt a lot of Mosiac influences with Thorne.
What? Far Sector was fairly popular here and often paraded around as diversity done right.
Something I learned looking at Comichron charts is that online popular != direct market popular
Gwenpool and IDW Sonic are go-to examples of comics being disproportionately popular online but sales fail to reflect this
I think Far Sector also needs the caveat that it's a completely disconnected from the rest of GL and has a new character. In which case 21k isn't terrible numbers, especially considering the near 50% drop between GL S1 and GL S2.
I wish we had weekly GL threads.
I think Hal needs to drop Carol and clap Jo's cheeks for the sake of instilling racial harmony.
>Hal clapping Jo's cheeks
>not Guy for maximum, "holy shit, you two are terrible together but I want to see how back it can get"
You now remember that John Stewart is getting another run with Phillip Kennedy Johnson as writer.
You know remember the time Hal grew out his hair and got himself a duster.
I didn't like this run but I really did like this design.
It wasn't just Morrison but him throwing out everything that made Green Lantern popular during Johns' run certainly didn't help. It's like if after Claremont left X-Men Marvel decided to just go back to Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Archangel and Beast and stop using every other character.
>Marvel decided to just go back to Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Archangel and Beast
X-Factor was a mistake
It started declining as soon as Johns finished his run, with a few upticks with Dogfricker's and Morrison's runs.
But dogfricker wrote a spinoff book disguised as the main book.
>spinoff book disguised as the main book.
It seemed like it was the other way around to me while it was ongoing.
What was Hal & Pals plot even about?
>FSgay is also an officegay
This is a certified LGBT moment.
I don't like Jo because she's a gay.
>haiiiii industrial engineer here, im not like the other (real) engineers :3
Is Far Sector going to be the new whipping boy of these threads? I'm all for it. It was so stupid.
far sector was a tumblur tier webcomic
Just reading his first GL Comic and planning on doing an analysis later because a friend recommended it to me as inspiration for an RPG.
So I'm coming in while pretty much lacking a first impression from the outside.
I'm half through it and if there is a subtext, I'm missing it. It mostly seems to be about cool things happening to hal and hal always being right and the best, fricking his hot partner and telling god to frick off.
It comes over as incredibly self indulgent. I hope he didn't break his back while trying to suck his own dick
Morrison is a moron
>Oh I did a ton of drugs then wrote the resulting nonsense down, please respect my pronoun
Yeah I'm starting to agree.
And it seems he has a loyal following, because a few of the doors he wrote were well received.
Remind me if a scene where a merchant tries to sell the piece of a former master artist. Thing is the new piece looks like absolute garbage. But pressure from the merchant and group think has the customers agree that the new piece is clearly some new avant-garde piece and see the piece of garbage as such because of group pressure and expectations from former experiences.
Everyone has their stinkers and Morrison is no exception. Grant has a massive amount of fanboys who think he can do no wrong which can make it hard get an accurate read on the quality of any one of his works. Around the time Final Crisis was released in trade they became so insufferable that you couldn't actually discuss any of his works if you weren't sucking him off as the second coming of Christ because they'd shit up every thread. The ending of his Batman run is when things started coming around to normal because it's kind of hard to argue that the ending wasn't Grant metatextually b***hing at his fans for liking comics.
>it's kind of hard to argue that the ending wasn't Grant metatextually b***hing at his fans for liking comics
I would actually like to see you try.
>it's kind of hard to argue that the ending wasn't Grant metatextually b***hing at his fans for liking comics.
Do you have a link?
Morrison hasn't written anything worth reading since the 90s
This looks gay
heh, Now I'm picturing Booster or Ted calling him Gay Gardner and how bodied he would be by that.
and?
I'm enjoying the current run quite a bit it reminds me heavily of No Fear in a lot of places
Delete all Earth Green Lanterns after Kyle.
Green Lantern is a boring character with no personality and boring powers. No wonder nobody cares.
New 52 starter with 4 ongoings to Lantern stuff but only the main title was well received and the two crossover events were poorly re dived and then Johns left the main title was hated too. The brand was already wearing thing over a decade ago.
I miss Jess & Simon and Hal n Pals
whoops
Why did they give her a crush on Batman? I'm so glad batcat was a thing during this because it would have ruined her character to keep pairing her with batman
Batman is popular. I'm sure many superheroines and some heroes think he is attractive, even if they don't act on it.
>I'm sure many superheroines and some heroes think he is attractive
It depends on how sauve Batman is at the moment. I actually got a headcanon that the butthole moments of Batman is literally just sleep deprivation getting to him.
She also had a thing for nightwing wanting to find him on that super hero tinder parody
They also implied she was Bisexual, which is sexy.
There’s nothing sexy about bisexuals, they’re unfaithful by nature.
Mathematically speaking I'm right.
Nah, it was a mistake. Characters paired with Batman get downgraded as heroes and become “Batman’s gf.”
Priest did flatout say he did not know anything about Jessica and what to do with her so that means Batwiener orbit.
Morrison was selling comparably to John's New 52 run
its weird, I haven't liked Ahmed's or jemisin's scifi/fantasy books but I've enjoyed their some of their comics
to keep it on topic how is the moz semi recent novel?
I've never been a huge GL fan but I figure I may as well ask
Do you feel like it was a mistake to turn them into space cops?
It's like as a whole they exist just to job en masse before one of the important characters can save the day and/or some other super hero helps out.
It just sort of feels like what makes them special was diluted beyond recovery.
>Do you feel like it was a mistake to turn them into space cops
No, it made them stand out against the many vigilantes of DC.
Yeah I'm a little confused at the question because unless you've started reading comics at the interim between the Golden age and Silver age this is kind of a dumb question.
All I want are space cop/paladin adventures in space.
Is that too much to ask?
Every second issue is a return to earth for some tie in crossover and or the corps exploded again. I'm sick of it.
This, I'm fricking tired of
>Central power battery exploded again, most of the corps lost their powers
>Corps collapsed again
>Guardians left again, corps are left to splinter and fall apart
>Guardians are replacing the corps with this new but potentially evil group
Just do fricking episodic adventures in space
The other side of this is
>Hal returned to Earth and is now a jobless, friendless loser
DC has been doing this since the early 80s.
That's just modern media now. If Writer A mentions that some character has a smidgen of Mexican, Brazilian, or some other central or south American nationality in their background, then Writer B will inevitably turn them into the most annoying caricature of pseudo-Mexican bullshit imaginable, and usually turn them ten shades browner in the process. It never matters what the nation of origin is, they always become a Los Angeles Mexican stereotype 10 times out of 10.
Kyle was for about 20 years a white, New York Irish guy, then it was revealed his father was half Mexican. Then all of a sudden he is praying in Spanish and clinging to a rosary all the time.
Kendra did the same thing only she became significantly browner in later books. She was just half Mexican on her mother's side, but that came up years after she was created. Then Earth-2 made her into a dark brown stererotype, which inspired all tie-in stuff like movies, shows, and cartoons, which fed back to comics and now Kendra is a dark brown Latina from ambiguous not named Spanish Speaking country and mixes Spanish into half her words.
>Then all of a sudden
Not really.
I’m fine with Kyle embracing his heritage because the morons at DC and Marvel don’t realize is that it comes from the father’s side.
What heritage though? He literally had no idea who his father was, aside from when he found who his father was. The only story to reference his Hispanic heritage was that shitty omega men book by King
Hard to discover someone that you never knew existed anon. Kyle knew who his father was the whole time and never once bothered to look for him.
Also you are banking on the assumption that Kyle's mother never once told him about his heritage at all. Which is a REALLY bold assumption to make since you know nothing about his childhood at all. Maybe she raised him according to his Latin heritage, you have no way to argue against that.
You’re acting as this a recent thing you homosexuals. It’s not, this shit happened many years ago to the point it’s a part of him. And it’s done in a way that isn’t moronic like Kyle speaking Spanglish.
Kyle never had any idea who or what his father was until his mid 20s. Until then he was raised Irish. Any acting Latino after that point is fake larping because he just learned about it as an adult.
I don't think he raised "irish" , you got to be in actual Ireland to do that.
So what you're saying is, you're racist
got it
Aside from the anomalous blip of Johns' run, GL has never been popular.
It took years and years of terrible writers and refinement to create the perfect DC run.
So guardians no doubt are being influenced or controlled by someone else right ? Can't think of any other reason they decided they had enough of Hal's shit to quarantine Earth after all the times he's saved them and everyone else
Definitely.
Yeah it seemed very out of character for them though I'm curious who's the one pulling the strings would be interesting to be some new villains kind of don't want it to be the Controller's since they played a huge role in Morrions's run
The Psions? I would write them like type III Kobold civilization.
>Hal Jordan is a captain
>Carol Danvers is a colonel
Carol > Hal
>still called Captain Marvel
DC are slowpoke motherfrickers when it comes to this type of stuff.
Well Marvel can't call their Carol Star Sapphire
Geoff Lantern already had a Carol Danvers, and she was a Star Sapphire too!
I can't believe Carol stole Carol's ass like that but I guess it makes sense, not like Carol was using it anymore...
>is named Carol
>looks just like Jess Drews
Do you like nu-Jo’s hair?
Nah.
Yeah that's not the hair of somone who is gonna pierce the heavens with their will.
It's not new, that's just how she has it by default when she gets her ring back, she changes it back to her unique costume and hair style very quickly.
>she uses her ring to style her hair
Neat
I don't care. I just want more Superwatch
I liked Morrison's run.
And that's fine
But I'm reading the first one and the technobabble is taking me out of it.
Like when the nurse explained that they found a villain 200ly away from sol drifting in "oort-space" and hal goes "that like putting him in front of my door".
homie really? When somebody craps in the garden of a dude in the next town over, does he take that personal too?
Also what even is "oort-space"? I have a pretty good grasp on what the Oort cloud is supposed to be.
All in all I have the feeling that Morrison is more interested in creating something that makes him look good, instead of doing down and actually creating something that is good.
Morrison's habit of referencing shit from the 60s and 70s stopped being cute when he made Batwoman Batman's cousin.
I love that, rich families do that shit.
What do they?
Marry together to consolidate money, though in the case of Martha and Thomas it was true love.
Kathy was literally some avant garde indie filmmaker who got quickie hitched to Bruce's uncle then absconded with the family money once he died.
i followed GL from the introduction of the other colored lanterns event to the new 52.
I love the Geoff run but you need something other than Sinestro, Black Hand and Krona.
When are the spider people coming back?
Give me some good GL runs then. I'll read them.
not OP but only one i ever tried to read was the one with kevin o neil as the artist. i didn't continue reading it but i thought it was decent
The issues from between the years 1990 and until the end of Geoff John's run are free game
maybe they should stop trying to showcase human green lanterns and instead have a super sentai lantern group with a few colors that are aliens. kilowog could be leader of it. oh no is he dead?
My impression is that Morrison brings a certain kind of energy into his writing that is easy to notice, like Lovecraft writing about old ones or Howard about Conan.
I think it's fair to call it enthusiasm, which can grab people on a surface level read for entertainments sake.
But with all three, once you take a look and start analysing, it's all hack, held together by the appearance of good quality and wish fulfillment.
Like fake breasts.
>dissing Robert E. Howard
Frick you Black person.
Conan is wish fulfillment for people who are afraid that the teen group on the bus stop would buy them. Only to go home and Imagen that they totally had it under control and could beat them all up if they wanted to
And that's okay, the wish fulfillment I mean
Finished reading the first of His green lantern comics
It makes me want to throw up
Got mark waids daredevil recommended by a stranger in the internet.
Much better, dialoge and actions are used to show you things about characters, things happen so that one can reasonably figure out why they happen without needing to be told.
The art is
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>mark waids daredevil
Ewwww
Maybe, still a significant improvement over Grants Lime Lantern word salad where everybody stands around like a mannequin, maybe does funny while talking like a twelve year old would think cool people talk.
But season 1 and Blackstars is amazing though.
On which metric?
Heavy Metal Scifi fun.
Fair enough I guess.
But I don't see it
I've read from the first issue to including "under strange skies".
The only consistent characteristic I took from that Hal is that he prefers to solve his problems using force and that he is a giant manchild with enough power to do so easily.
Kyle is best boy