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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I bet Saruman has the peoples there under his control

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Conspiracy theorist

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      In the south west part of the circle certainly that's Dunland where the human warriors we see pillaging Rohan are from. Besides that yeah I mean even as close to the Shire as Bree there are spies everywhere working for both Sauron and Saruman. In the books Aragorn talks about how the Rangers have kept the Shire safe and blissfully ignorant of the evil of the outside world

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oy vey
      Stop noticing things

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    taxes too high so nobody lives there

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Almost empty with some ruins from Arnor and the Numenorian colonies which got hit by massive deforestation, wars with Sauron, wars with the Witch King and a huge plague.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      not my thread but thank you for the genuine response

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I played an Enedwaith game in the Divide and Conquer Third Age Total War mod and it was pretty fun. If the lore in that game is true to the lore in universe then they're like smelly stinky peasant vikings just like the Dunlendings and they're basically loyal to Saruman kind of but I went against him in my game and tried to ally with Gondor and Bree.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brandybucks

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I will break the Brandybucks

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      and across the street, another Brandybucks

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    believe it or not, tolkien was a hack

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    yikes what a moronic map
    even grrm's unfinished books are better than Tolkslop

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Language is hard. This was maybe my answer to Martin, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. A Song of Ice and Fire had a very modern philosophy: that if the king was a good man, he would get his dick chopped off. We look at history and it’s not that simple. Martin can say that Bran became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Martin doesn’t ask the question: How was High Valyrian conjugated? Does the pluperfect tense of Bravosi derive from the suffix? How did dragons understand the verb “dracarys”? And what about all those lost Westerosi languages? By the end of the war, the Night King is gone but all of the autists aren’t gone – they’re in the Godswood, watching beautiful sisters be beautifully raped. Did Bran pursue a policy of monolingualism and kill all other languages? Even the little baby dialects in their little dialect regions?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        i'd forgotten about the beautiful rape, thanks for reminding me, sénor Tolkien

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >moral grayness
      The Dunlendings are Palestinians being driven out of their homeland by israeli Rohans and American Gondorians.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah they're all invading Elvish lands, Dunlendings need to go back to Hildórien

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        this, and mordorcs are poor russians fighting back after their kids got genocided in gondorbas

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The difference is that Rohirrim can fight and actually bail your "Americans" out rather than the other way around. Also, they don't wear diapers into combat.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        /misc/ truly does rot your brain.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Uh you're israeli

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tolkien loved israelites and said he was sorry to say he regretfully wasn’t part of that proud people… in a letter to a nazi. Tolkien has always been on the side of the left

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >tradcath conservative
              >but he's a leftist because he was anti-nazi
              modern political discourse is moronic, I bet you'd simultaneously say that Republicans are far right even though they also love israelites and hate nazis.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Republicans in the US are unironically far right by actual political metrics the rest of the first world uses.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's a line someone feed you on a topic you don't understand.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Try that again in English, please? It's not a "line" it's based on their policy positions and statements, they have been hijacked by the far right. It's why these crypt keepers cry about me CRT and muh woke and have no clue what any of that online /misc/ reactionary shit means, because it's meaningless. It's why you scare off moderate Republicans in every state to the point of them voting for fricking Biden in 2020.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >anyone
                >voting for Biden in 2020
                no one's buying your lies, shill.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong board, schizo.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >AHHH BATCH VOTING I AM LITERALLY GOING INSANE

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >invasion of iraq
                >unconditional support of isreal (a genuine far-right state)
                >banning abortion

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                of iraq
                Supported by both sides. Continued war under Obama.
                support of isreal (a genuine far-right state)
                Supported by both sides. No president since Kennedy has said "no" to them
                abortion
                There is no effective ban on abortion. One only has to travel to a jurisdiction that allows it.
                Left and right is an illusion.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I agree that dems lean to the right too, compared to the world. It's just that republicans are even further right.
                >Supported by both sides. (iraq)
                not really, see pic
                >Supported by both sides. (israel)
                dems are less extreme in their support
                >There is no effective ban on abortion. One only has to travel to a jurisdiction that allows it.
                Reactionary move when worldwide it's overwhelmingly accepted. (see previous map)

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Good job cropping the context.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Funny how congress always has just enough support for Israel and supports their wars regardless of the percentage of dems and reps.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I agree that dems lean to the right too, compared to the world. It's just that republicans are even further right.
                If they both lean "far right" aren't you diminishing any importance to the term?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                using left or right is a simplification
                this anon is correct

                Republicans in the US are unironically far right by actual political metrics the rest of the first world uses.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Having clearly defined good and evil isn't necessarily worse than everyone being morally grey. They're simply two different literary devices which an author can employ. It's the exact same as the setting for a story. You wouldn't write a story about a navy and make it take place on land just because you can have more variation and complexity with the setting. Lotr wouldn't be better if Gandalf was a sadistic nymphomaniac with a penchant for goblins or if Sauron was shown to have a soft spot for taking care of orcs with disabilities. It works because it shows man's triumph over insurmountable odds against an evil corrupting influence. Some stories require black and white morality whereas others don't because they're both trying to entertain you in different ways.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Lotr wouldn't be better if Gandalf was a sadistic nymphomaniac with a penchant for goblins
        I beg to differ

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        your excellent answer is wasted on egregious bait

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Language is hard. This was maybe my answer to Martin, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. A Song of Ice and Fire had a very modern philosophy: that if the king was a good man, he would get his dick chopped off. We look at history and it’s not that simple. Martin can say that Bran became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Martin doesn’t ask the question: How was High Valyrian conjugated? Does the pluperfect tense of Bravosi derive from the suffix? How did dragons understand the verb “dracarys”? And what about all those lost Westerosi languages? By the end of the war, the Night King is gone but all of the autists aren’t gone – they’re in the Godswood, watching beautiful sisters be beautifully raped. Did Bran pursue a policy of monolingualism and kill all other languages? Even the little baby dialects in their little dialect regions?

      Why do I get the feeling that everytime someone brings up GRRM vs Tolkien, they taking comments out of context and perhaps making things up entirely about what GRRM actually said?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because no one on here has actually read Tolkien or GRRM

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You mean to tell me that people are being disingenuous on the internet? I find that hard to believe

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it anyone who posts wojak derivatives, especially projective ones, are always complete idiots?
      >ASoIaF has complex characters
      The humor is people actually believe this. Schlock fantasy pulp of the 70s/80s like Sanctuary/Thieves Guild are more nuanced and complex than GRRMtrash.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        humans are highly motivated by sex. excluding it from your story because you want to read it to your kids isn't an excuse.
        am I really supposed to believe Aragorn, a man in his 70s is a virgin? Come on.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >what was Aragorn's sex policy?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Without condoms, the pill, public abortion and the menace of orc stds its no wonder people kept it in their pants until marriage.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's weird how these ancient Numenorean lines keep failing when all of them stays young well into their 100s.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Tolkien didn't explicitly say Aragorn penetrated Arwen so it never happened
          Ok moron, nice bait

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      GoT isn't fantasy, it's smut with a coating of fantasy.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        GoT is smut yes. The books are not. I've read a lot of erotica; there's nothing horny about Sams fat pink mast. Erotica is meant to arouse and make you horny.
        GRRM isn't doing that. I think he doesn't like sex, being a fat frick who probably hasn't had much.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dude spends pages talking about the smell of cum. He is writing smut, you just don't like his particular fetish.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I doubt it's pages, and if it's erotica is the shittiest erotica ever.
            Regardless you are wrong.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Man, if you think GoT is smut you really haven't been exposed to ACTUAL smut masquerading as genre fiction.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      LoTR will go down as a timeless classic, the greatest piece of fantasy literature, while ASOIAF will be known for being its edgy parody
      >dude, what if.... there was lord of the rings... but with boobies and le sex?????!!
      It's nothing but a construct of its time, like Watchmen for superheroes

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      the witcher series had much better le morally grey stuff

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Moral greyness.
        Get that relativist shit out of my face.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          what i think of with moral greyness is not that it's absent of good and evil

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the witcher series had much better le morally grey stuff
        Yep, the fat Polack did better what GURM was trying to do

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        i've had shits like that usually after a few mcdoubles

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          pink slime gives ur body the "ick"

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >morally grey is kino

      No it’s not

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is, but only for so long. If everyone and everything is dubious it gets grating, and doesn't lead to a good story.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      lotr is full of morally grey characters (denethor, boromir, eowyn, galadriel, bombadil, etc.)
      what gurmgays don't like is that being grey is depicted as a flaw to be overcome rather than cool and badass

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Morally gay

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >le everyone is a piece of shit meme
      Imagine how much of a c**t you actually have to be to think this is true.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      THE
      MORE
      SHE
      DRANK

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know this is bait but bruh
      you don''t even know what Modernism MEANS

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >morally grey is better

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      excellent tradlarp bait

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've always wondered why the dwarves at Erebor were so rich. It doesn't seem to naturally lend itself to trading with any of the major kingdoms. The only river for easy movement flows south east, away from Gondor, Rohan, Lorien, etc. Mirkwood is in the way of caravan trade as well. The only easy way to trade seems to be with the other dwarven kingdoms in the Iron hills and they probably wouldn't have much need for shit coming out of Erebor. While I understand dwarves tend to be grumpy little isolationist c**ts, you would think they would have more kingdoms in the misty mountains so they can sell stuff and be extremely rich.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like dwarves are highly isolationist and self-sufficient. Gimli had no idea Moria was dead, and it had been dead for decades.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gimli knew Moria was dead because MORIA is not its name. Moria means The Black Pit, and they called it that after it was destroyed and infested with orcs. The city's name was Dwarrowdelf or Khazad-dum. He didn't know Balin's group failed to retake part of it and establish a new colony there.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          They didn't have resupply missions planned? Generally when you establish a new colony, you resupply them periodically. And get things in return, showing that the colony is beginning to flourish.
          Sending one group and then never hearing from them again should be a big red flag.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was a foolhardy mission that everyone in Dwarfistan advised against precisely because they had no feasible way to resupply it. Iirc in the books the Dwarves are fairly sure the Moria expedition got destroyed when they lost contact with it, and finding the proof of its fate does not come as a shock to Gimli. The movie changes things a bit to make the expedition's failure have a bigger emotional impact for the audience.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              It also demonstrates how Gimli is one to never give up hope no matter how slim, which is why he fits so well into the Fellowship despite Dwarves being selfish buttholes. It's a nice moment even if a tragic one

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >don’t get a Christmas card for decades
        >they must just be really busy or something

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The nations in the third age were mainly agrarian and mostly traded for niche stuff. The Shire, Gondor and Mordor were mostly farmland. Elves are immortal so who cares what they eat. The actually interesting question is where did the dwarves get their food from.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I just assumed they got food via a mix of trade with mirkwood and the lakemen. The lakemen could provide fish and they likely had some farmers dotted around the outside of the lake while the elves sold wine and probably hunt for deer and other game. All of this can be sent down to the lake by river where trading parties from Erebor go to sell goods and return with resources.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      There was presumably some trade with the Woodland Realm in the early days of Erebor, and after Sauron's forces abandoned Dol Goldur (about 70 years after the founding of Erebor), you had about 700 years of relative peace in the region, in the absence of Sauron's corrupting presence.

      The Dwaves maintained a trade road from the Celduin to the Anduin near the High Pass to Rivendell, so trade with Rivendell, Bree, Rohan, and Gondor were all possibilities.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I've always wondered why the dwarves at Erebor were so rich
      They dig up gold and gems and hoard it. There was 3 movies about this.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They were simply rich because of the gold and gems they mined at Erebor.
      They bought food from Dale and the Dorwinion area humans.
      They traded their gold for iron from (unironically) the Iron Hills dwarves

      Why is "the shire" pronounced differently than "hampshire"?

      A lot of old English place names have just had their pronunciation shortened over hundreds of years, that's why there's a discrepancy compared to how they're spelt.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The dwarves had a few colonies in the Blue Mountains, where most of the survivors of Erebor relocated after Smaug's conquest, and there were a few unassociated tribes of Men left after the fall of Arnor like the Dunlendings. But that was about it.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    tax heaven

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait for the DLC.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    CHUD FLYOVERS

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the most approachable lotr book after the main series and the hobbit? I tried reading the silmarillion but I got filtered.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      There aren’t any I’m afraid

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      sparknotes that shit

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      there are posthumous works published by his kid, who's as much of a prune or more than Tolkien was. so it's probably lore accurate. i know there's one about the numenoreans.
      of course there's always THE RINGS OF POWER ON Amazon PRIME JUST $19.99 A MONTH

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      the children of hurin

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I tried reading the silmarillion but I got filtered.
      I recomend listening to it in audio book form. its hard to get past the creation part for some but the book really picks up once the elves cross the sea and go to war with Morgoth

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Children of Hurin. It's actually my favorite book of Tolkiens. Considerably darker in tone.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Porn.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    So, what happened to the Kingdom of Arnor?
    It just collapsed and the royal family became random bandits, aka. "rangers"?
    Wtf? Tolkien takes a lot of inspiration but this seems just lazy worldbuilding.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't have problem with "collapse" but how it collapsed.
      When it collapses there is usually balkanization, but Arnor's state just left behind nothing but anarchy and no successor states

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it did.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn't a giant fricking chunk of that sink or something?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That was way before

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            that land was to the west and it happened before this map

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think how real is this map but in my mind it wasn't that big

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              It is accurate, Beleriand was huge

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Were you there?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, frick you

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A bunch of people drown under the sea due to a sudden change of weather or something uncontrollable, call it Beleriand, “Bell end”

                What was his problem?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're thinking of Beleriand which sank thousands of years before. In the map from the post you replied to, it would have been situated west of Forlindon.
            Arnor had a succession crisis leading to three competing kingdoms. IIRC the Kings of Arthedain had the best claim, those were Aragorn's ancestors. Eventually, Angmar destroyed Rhudaur after it became utterly decadent and corrupted, the other two finally banded together but it wasn't enough. A massive expeditionary force from Gondor (which was still going strong at the time) came too late to save the two kingdoms but they joined with the Elves to destroy Angmar with the Witch-King barely escaping. The Palantir of Amon Sul was lost into the sea after the last King of Arthedain and his ship sank during a storm. The survivors from Arnors became the Dunedains and kept hunting wargs, orcs, trolls and other Angmar critters, this is why the Shire is so peaceful. Isildur's line survived in secret until Aragorn.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              The thing with Arnor was that the king Eärendur died without naming an actual successor between his three sons. One, Amlaith, came up with the idea that they just split it up between them all being equal and cooperating kingdoms. Which was kinda fine, until Sauron started sending plagues and the Witch-king raising wights to frick with Cardolan or overthrowing the ruling line in Rhudaur with hillmen.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Glorfindel finally gets up from his retirement home
              >Witch king pisses and shits his pants
              >flees
              >''what a b***h, wont even be a man that slays him''
              >goes back into retirement
              Why even bring him back from the dead when he's just gonna be lazy and do as little as possible?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                In hindsight they brought the wrong guy back. Based Ecthelion would have kicked asses left and right.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >literally kills Gothmog, most powerful creature to serve Melkor (even more than Sauron) by charging and smashing his helm in it.
                Fricking badass.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >gothmog
                >most powerful creature to serve morgoth
                Uhh bro your dragons?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I like Rhudaur, shame that they went and stayed full dark side tho

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what happened to the Kingdom of Arnor?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        so Angmaria conquered it?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        So, the Witch King genocided all people from Arnor except the Hobbits?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          He wasn't bothered about hobbits. Even the Orcs faced by Bullroarer only invaded the shire because they were survivors of a Ranger purge of a much larger army.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No the state collapses and the region falls into a sort of Dark Age analogous to post-Roman western Europe without the barbarian kingdoms with the exception of Rohan, who are clearly based on the Goths. The people all remain and nominally remain loyal to the local lord but the lord has absolutely no institutional power. It's said in FOTR that the Hobbits continue to maintain the royal road and aid messengers as part of this feudal obligation but nothing besides.
          Gondor is the ERE, Arnor was the WRE and Rohan is analogous to a barbarian kingdom like Frankia or Lombardia.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >post-Roman western Europe without the barbarian kingdoms
            Tbh Tolkien's inspiration was likely Britain post-Roman withdrawal but pre-Anglo-Saxon colonisation. Institutional power disappears overnight but people still go about their day to day life much the same. The men of Bree & Dunlendings are both descended from LOTR's analogue for the Celts as well

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >The men of Bree & Dunlendings are both descended from LOTR's analogue for the Celts as well
              you pulled that out of your ass famalam

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Tolkien never spelled it out directly, but the Dunlendings are clearly the Welsh/Britons who got pushed out by the Rohirrim (Anglo-Saxons).

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think he says that the Bree-men are descended from the same race as Dunlendings but that they adopted Westron and more civilized lifestyles under the influence of their rulers in Arnor. Besides being being pretty obviously based on Britons/Welsh, they are physically described as being somewhat like Welsh/Irishmen being short, slightly tanned skinned with dark hair.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's said in FOTR that the Hobbits continue to maintain the royal road
            Where does it say that? Because the royal road doesnt even run through the shire and it's mentioned that it has fallen into decay during the events of lotr

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              It might be mentioned in one of the short introductory chapters that explains the history of the Shire. IIRC he says that they still are obliged to lodge & hasten messengers and watch the road as part of their initial obligation to the kings of Arnor

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Rohan, who are clearly based on the Goths.
            Funny, I have seen people say Rohan is what Anglo-Saxon would be if they were obsessed with horses.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              The names and everything are pure Old English but the Goths were an equestrian cavalry people for a few centuries when they lived on the Ukrainian steppe before they were pushed westwards by the arrival of the Huns. Germanic epics regarding the Goths inform some of his writing already. Mirkwood is blatantly taken from the name for a forest that separated the Goths from the Huns in a few sagas.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >before they were pushed westwards by the arrival of the Hun
                the Dunlendings should be goths then and Rohan the huns

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The Dunlendings & other non-Numenorian men are the LOTR equivalent of Celts, who the Goths did invade and rule over in Gaul & Spain

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >rad-ass fire sword gimmick
        >DOESN'T even get used, instead uses a flail
        Bravo Hackson, you wasted the one true boss battle this character gets to have on screen, by making it too short and with questionable choices.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it did.

      arnor was a clear inspiration from the carolingians, who collapsed and divided from family infighting

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >9th century undecided border creates wars up until ww2
        Movies for this kino?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I know, but what is inspiration for Dunedain of Arnor?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        carolingians were cool, but they were no Merovingians

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Oversaw the Franks becoming a decadent cheese eating hon hon honing latinized abomination before being cucked off the throne themselves
          Merovirgins sucked

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder: Alfrid Lickspittle won

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Best Collins Farrel acting ever

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        no fricking way

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    > literally says the lost realm of Arnor.
    It was lost. As in "Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.".

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    people make for the Gap of Rohan

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lond Daer was important when the sea route was important for exporting lumber for ships. When the sea lanes became less important it was gradually abandoned.
    Tharbad was important when the land routes were important. You can see what used to be a road on the map. When the land route stopped being important Tharbad quit being important and was gradually abandoned.

    That area basically lost its economic reasons to exist hundreds if not thousands of years ago. It was more or less economically untenable when other parts of Arnor were destroyed. Trade stops being a thing when everyone's dead from Sauron.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is "the shire" pronounced differently than "hampshire"?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is Kansas pronounced differently than Arkansas?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        english is moronic

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Actually it's because they're both different places and they have different names.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          English is a conglomerate language of Latin, Germanic languages and other shit. The rules make no sense because they just kind of made em up as they went along.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            True. Though in spite of the rules for spelling and conjugation being inconsistent and unintuitive for many cases, Modern English has (arguably) some of the best structural consistency and adaptability of any modern language, which has led to its high information density and high adoption rate.

            If you ever want to have a nightmarish linguistic experience - try learning Russian. Excellent conventions for spelling (virtually every word is pronounced exactly like you think it would be), but basically a fricking free-for-all when it comes to sentence structure.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Those are both French words

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I assumed they were injun

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You asked the forbidden question. Expect a visit.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    rolling

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't they make for the gap of rohan like boromir suggested?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Saruman & friends
      there's a scene in the movie where they get attacked by crows

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >happily do battle with orcs and wraiths
        >are those crows?
        >runs away screaming

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          the crows were spies
          the fellowship got rekt by saruman's orcs just a few chapters later, remember?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          they were crebain.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The crows were the size of bicycles IIRC.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fishing, mostly.

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >giga tentacle monster gets lured by the ring
      >swallows the fellowships' ships whole
      >the end

      >get spotted by a nazgul
      >they destroy the ships
      >ships sink
      >the end

      >run out of food
      >have to camp near the coast
      >get rekt by bandits, orcs or pirates
      >the end

      >somehow make it to harnen river
      >have to paddle literally hundreds of miles upriver in hostile territory
      >get spotted and rekt
      >the end

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      At first glance I thought this was a nose meme.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        brainrot

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm going to assume a motive for this comment.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >giga tentacle monster gets lured by the ring
      >swallows the fellowships' ships whole
      >the end

      >get spotted by a nazgul
      >they destroy the ships
      >ships sink
      >the end

      >run out of food
      >have to camp near the coast
      >get rekt by bandits, orcs or pirates
      >the end

      >somehow make it to harnen river
      >have to paddle literally hundreds of miles upriver in hostile territory
      >get spotted and rekt
      >the end

      You forget another likely outcome:
      >Ulmo, Valar of the Sea, becomes tempted by the Ring and claims possession of it. Congratulations, you just made a Mini Morgoth.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        no, not even a little bit likely, the valar are so far above saurons power, and ulmo is a bro and cares about the people of middle earth still more than any of them, it's his lingering presence in the waters that makes the nazgul shit themselves approaching rivers.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not likely at all. Ulmo is basically the most based being in arda

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >RHÚN
    >FORODWAITH
    >NEAR HARAD
    You guys are making fun of "Lands of Always Winter" but that is more believable name created by medieval people than any of this shit

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >RHÚN
      >NEAR HARAD
      somehow the most suggestive fantasy regions ever

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Especially it literally just means East and South.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          *especially since

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    what does the rest of the continent look like?

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >LoTR is public domain RIGHT NOW in New Zealand

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      weird I could have sworn I saw some kind of lotr-related film at some point hmmmm

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is the official LOTR power ranking?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tom bombadil > the rest

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's mythology rules, the farther you go back in time the taller the tale.

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone died from Covid.

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's France / Prebeza , so just gay men, good cheese and wine ?

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're eagle flyover states.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      kek

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous
  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    the land is populated in the late 3rd age sparsely the old cities of Lond dear and Tharbad are now ruins and shadows of what they once were. in the blue mountains there is a clan of dwarves that do not meddle in the affairs of men nor elves.

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >powerrank list

    Morgoth and other gods

    === POWER GAP ===

    Sauron

    === POWER GAP ===

    Saruman (white/of many colors)
    Gandalf (gray/white)
    Balrog
    Witchking
    other nazguls
    Radagast (brown)

    === POWER GAP ===

    Schelob
    Ents
    Trolls

    === POWER GAP ===

    Éowyn (kills the witch king)
    Legolas
    Aragorn
    Éeomer
    Gimli
    Faramir

    === POWER GAP ===

    Gollum
    Frodo
    Sam
    Merry
    Pippin

    Not sure where to place the Elrond, Glorfindel, Smaug, Tom Bombadil (above or below sauron?), all the gods, all characters from silmarillon

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tom Bombadil above Sauron, Smaug above Shelob, Glorfindel above Radagast, Elrond above Legolas

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Elrond above Legolas
        Wait really? That's seems kinda low.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Compared to Glorfindel he didn't really do a lot

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dude, Legolas is just some little princeling. Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon.

          Oh, and he's also got one of the Elven Rings, Vilya.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Dude, Legolas is just some little princeling. Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon.
            >Oh, and he's also got one of the Elven Rings, Vilya.
            Yeah I would have guessed one or two powergaps above. Next to legolas seems low.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, I was agreeing with you and expanding on it but I just noticed I forgot to link the other post so it probably came across differently.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon.
            Elrond double feature or focus when? Elrond's life is one of the most unsung tragedies in the stories, and even in the end he is separated from his children.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              For real. His father was frickin' Eärendil, his twin brother Elros was the first king of Numenor so you got how all that went to shit. Was married to Galadriel's daughter Celebrian who's group got ambushed by orcs while travelling to Lorien once and the whole thing was so horrible she left early on back into the west.

              Honestly, the removal of Elrohir and Elladan always bothered me though I get why they wouldn't be in the films and it still bothers me how they completely destroyed the actual relationship between Elrond and Aragorn for forced 'You're not good enough for my daughter' drama.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >for forced 'You're not good enough for my daughter' drama.
                Wasnt that the case in the books as well? Elrond says something like ''become king of gondor again and defend middle earth from sauron before you'll be worthy of my daughter''

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Wasnt that the case in the books as well?
                Elrond's case makes sense. Sauron threatened to invade and make everyone either bend the knee or be put to the sword. Before the story Aragorn was on paper just a ranger with a secret heritage. Elrond wanted his daughter to have a future without she and her children getting killed by Sauron's forces in a ranger camp.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Before Aragorn there where only two other men that coupled with elves, Beren, who steals a Silmaril from Morgoth and Tuor(Elronds grandpa). Makes sense Elrond doesn't want Arwen to marry anyone but the king of Men

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Before Aragorn there where only two other men that coupled with elves
                Nah, Tolkien threw a sneaky and suggested there were a few more human-elf marriages with Prince Imrahil

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's more of a case of 'either you'll be the best fricking king ever to be good enough to marry my daughter, or all will be lost anyways'

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                thinking back I think the wording was 'either he would rise above all his lineage since the days of Elendil the Tall, father of Isildur, or he would plunge into darkness with all the remnants of his kin.'

                He wasn't totally against it and he was a foster father to Aragorn, but dang nabbit if he wasn't going to make him earn the right to take the evenstar from her people.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Éowyn (kills the witch king)
      She didn't though, Merry did.

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Home.

    ?si=h56gXwzrWmEqk0i8&t=180

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought that said Sneedwaith

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't he make another more powerful ring?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      He put most of his sneedforce into the One Ring and he didn't have enough leftover to make a the Second Ring. He was forced to live or die by the ring he had created.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly, I think that's one of the more interesting things and probably his biggest frick-up. Sauron's whole deal was that he saw what happened to Morgoth and how he weakened himself putting so much of his essence into all his nasty shit. His whole deal was just using the base darker aspects already in man, dwarf, whatever and twisting that to his own ends. He didn't even want to unmake creation like Morgoth, he just wanted dominion.

        And then he goes and puts his power in that fricking ring.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          that's why Sauron is tripping so hard in the books/movies. he fricked up by pouring all his essence into 1 item and he knows it. Brilliant writing by Tolkien

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't Peter Jackson add some farmland around Minas Tirith?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most likely reason is that he knew he would have to show it afar and up close during the battle of pelennor fields and just got lazy and cheap.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bad farmland, too dry, soil too rocky

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Morgoth and other gods

    === POWER GAP ===

    Tom Bombadil
    Sauron

    === POWER GAP ===

    Saruman (white/of many colors)
    Witchking
    Gandalf (gray/white)
    Balrog
    other nazguls
    Glorfindel
    Radagast (brown)
    Elrond = Galadriel

    === POWER GAP ===

    Smaug
    Schelob
    Ents
    Trolls

    === POWER GAP ===

    Éowyn (kills the witch king)
    Legolas
    Aragorn
    Éeomer = Boromir = Gimli = Faramir
    Theoden
    Grima Wormtongue

    === POWER GAP ===

    Gollum
    Frodo
    Sam
    Merry
    Pippin

    Is this good? I place Galadriel equal to Elrond because she also has a ring of power. However I'm not sure how they, glorfindel, the other nazguls and radagast rank compared to each other. I placed the witch king above gandalf because of that one scene in the movie but I don't remember what happens in the book.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      where’s eru

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can’t even powerscale eru because basically everything that is not him is happening by his permission. The other characters are basically just thoughts of eru

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no Valar
      babby tier list

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        feel free to improve it

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          my homie Manwe gotta make the cut. shouts out to Ulmo too, he keeps the seas calm

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where is the watcher in the water and where are the nameless things Gandalf saw while pursuing the balrog through the depths of kazad-dum?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eowyn didnt win through power levels though, she won because Merry stabbed the WK first with a magic dagger and the Witch King was all arrogant and sloppy because "no man could kill him"
      She definitely wasn't stronger or a better fight than Legolas/Gimli/Aragorn

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eowyn is weaker than the average man, she just got lucky.

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >J.R.R. Tolkien stated in a letter that Eru again intervened at the end of the Third Age, causing Gollum to trip and fall into the fires of Mount Doom while holding the One Ring, thus destroying it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      homie won a game of worms using prod

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The origin and nature of Tom Bombadil are unknown; however, he claimed already existed before the Dark Lord came to Arda[2], signifying he may have been alive even before the coming of the Valar. (It is unclear whether he refers to Melkor's first or second entry into the world.) In any case, Tom is insinuated to have been the first living creature to inhabit Arda.
    Should Tom Bombadil be on a rank of his own above Morgoth/melkor?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      possibly but he’s just sort of a mystery. it seems like he doesn’t have power outside of his little domain anyway. there is some letter where tolkien says he would have fallen to sauron had sauron gotten the ring, even though he seemed not at all bothered by its power. he’s the sort of folklore figure you can’t really fit into strict power levels because he operates in a way that doesn’t make sense to us

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Should Tom Bombadil be on a rank of his own above Morgoth/melkor?
      Tom is a mystery but imo is more of an avatar of Arda itself than anything else. I'd say he's an equal to Morgoth. Tom could be destroyed by Morgoth and his supporters given enough time but Morgoth's opposition will never allow it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's kinda like Ungoliant in that sense

  43. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a wasteland. Tolkien noticed that it was no small feat for Boromir going alone to Rivendell by that road. The place is empty, the river crossings in ruins.

  44. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the future there will be massive cities there.

  45. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just small little Man hamlets and towns. It's mentioned in the book, moron.

  46. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly ruins, wastelands, maybe some wildmen mud huts.

    Tharbad was a little merchant town come the WOTR time period.

  47. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Used to be elf lands, but Sauron laid waste to the country in the 2nd Age. I guess Men moved in and gradually settled it with small agrarian communities probably not much different from the Shire.

  48. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought I was on Cinemaphile for a second.

  49. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >main bad guy is named sauron
    >his sidekick is named sauron's man
    bravo, hackson

  50. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >won't ever get a comfy Dwarf miniseries about all the mysteries in the deep earth, waking up balrogs, mining mithril and fighting goblins

  51. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  52. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but what was Gondor's tax policy?

  53. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If we travel further south and go here, we will reach Mordor much more quickly, inshallah.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >le benin

  54. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get why if Tolkien wanted to write a legend he had it end with Frodo writing the story in a book. Real legends start out as songs and poems and don't get written down for generations, when has a legend ever been a first hand account written by the hero?

  55. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is pipeweed marijuana or tobacco?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tobacco, I'm pretty sure there's a part which makes it pretty clear that pipe weed is tobacco but I can't remember it off of the top of my head.

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