In the south west part of the circle certainly that's Dunland where the human warriors we see pillaging Rohan are from. Besides that yeah I mean even as close to the Shire as Bree there are spies everywhere working for both Sauron and Saruman. In the books Aragorn talks about how the Rangers have kept the Shire safe and blissfully ignorant of the evil of the outside world
Almost empty with some ruins from Arnor and the Numenorian colonies which got hit by massive deforestation, wars with Sauron, wars with the Witch King and a huge plague.
I played an Enedwaith game in the Divide and Conquer Third Age Total War mod and it was pretty fun. If the lore in that game is true to the lore in universe then they're like smelly stinky peasant vikings just like the Dunlendings and they're basically loyal to Saruman kind of but I went against him in my game and tried to ally with Gondor and Bree.
Language is hard. This was maybe my answer to Martin, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. A Song of Ice and Fire had a very modern philosophy: that if the king was a good man, he would get his dick chopped off. We look at history and it’s not that simple. Martin can say that Bran became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Martin doesn’t ask the question: How was High Valyrian conjugated? Does the pluperfect tense of Bravosi derive from the suffix? How did dragons understand the verb “dracarys”? And what about all those lost Westerosi languages? By the end of the war, the Night King is gone but all of the autists aren’t gone – they’re in the Godswood, watching beautiful sisters be beautifully raped. Did Bran pursue a policy of monolingualism and kill all other languages? Even the little baby dialects in their little dialect regions?
The difference is that Rohirrim can fight and actually bail your "Americans" out rather than the other way around. Also, they don't wear diapers into combat.
Tolkien loved israelites and said he was sorry to say he regretfully wasn’t part of that proud people… in a letter to a nazi. Tolkien has always been on the side of the left
>tradcath conservative >but he's a leftist because he was anti-nazi
modern political discourse is moronic, I bet you'd simultaneously say that Republicans are far right even though they also love israelites and hate nazis.
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Republicans in the US are unironically far right by actual political metrics the rest of the first world uses.
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That's a line someone feed you on a topic you don't understand.
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Try that again in English, please? It's not a "line" it's based on their policy positions and statements, they have been hijacked by the far right. It's why these crypt keepers cry about me CRT and muh woke and have no clue what any of that online /misc/ reactionary shit means, because it's meaningless. It's why you scare off moderate Republicans in every state to the point of them voting for fricking Biden in 2020.
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>anyone >voting for Biden in 2020
no one's buying your lies, shill.
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Wrong board, schizo.
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>AHHH BATCH VOTING I AM LITERALLY GOING INSANE
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>invasion of iraq >unconditional support of isreal (a genuine far-right state) >banning abortion
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of iraq
Supported by both sides. Continued war under Obama.
support of isreal (a genuine far-right state)
Supported by both sides. No president since Kennedy has said "no" to them
abortion
There is no effective ban on abortion. One only has to travel to a jurisdiction that allows it.
Left and right is an illusion.
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I agree that dems lean to the right too, compared to the world. It's just that republicans are even further right. >Supported by both sides. (iraq)
not really, see pic >Supported by both sides. (israel)
dems are less extreme in their support >There is no effective ban on abortion. One only has to travel to a jurisdiction that allows it.
Reactionary move when worldwide it's overwhelmingly accepted. (see previous map)
Funny how congress always has just enough support for Israel and supports their wars regardless of the percentage of dems and reps.
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>I agree that dems lean to the right too, compared to the world. It's just that republicans are even further right.
If they both lean "far right" aren't you diminishing any importance to the term?
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using left or right is a simplification
this anon is correct
Republicans in the US are unironically far right by actual political metrics the rest of the first world uses.
Having clearly defined good and evil isn't necessarily worse than everyone being morally grey. They're simply two different literary devices which an author can employ. It's the exact same as the setting for a story. You wouldn't write a story about a navy and make it take place on land just because you can have more variation and complexity with the setting. Lotr wouldn't be better if Gandalf was a sadistic nymphomaniac with a penchant for goblins or if Sauron was shown to have a soft spot for taking care of orcs with disabilities. It works because it shows man's triumph over insurmountable odds against an evil corrupting influence. Some stories require black and white morality whereas others don't because they're both trying to entertain you in different ways.
Language is hard. This was maybe my answer to Martin, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. A Song of Ice and Fire had a very modern philosophy: that if the king was a good man, he would get his dick chopped off. We look at history and it’s not that simple. Martin can say that Bran became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Martin doesn’t ask the question: How was High Valyrian conjugated? Does the pluperfect tense of Bravosi derive from the suffix? How did dragons understand the verb “dracarys”? And what about all those lost Westerosi languages? By the end of the war, the Night King is gone but all of the autists aren’t gone – they’re in the Godswood, watching beautiful sisters be beautifully raped. Did Bran pursue a policy of monolingualism and kill all other languages? Even the little baby dialects in their little dialect regions?
Why do I get the feeling that everytime someone brings up GRRM vs Tolkien, they taking comments out of context and perhaps making things up entirely about what GRRM actually said?
Why is it anyone who posts wojak derivatives, especially projective ones, are always complete idiots? >ASoIaF has complex characters
The humor is people actually believe this. Schlock fantasy pulp of the 70s/80s like Sanctuary/Thieves Guild are more nuanced and complex than GRRMtrash.
humans are highly motivated by sex. excluding it from your story because you want to read it to your kids isn't an excuse.
am I really supposed to believe Aragorn, a man in his 70s is a virgin? Come on.
GoT is smut yes. The books are not. I've read a lot of erotica; there's nothing horny about Sams fat pink mast. Erotica is meant to arouse and make you horny.
GRRM isn't doing that. I think he doesn't like sex, being a fat frick who probably hasn't had much.
LoTR will go down as a timeless classic, the greatest piece of fantasy literature, while ASOIAF will be known for being its edgy parody >dude, what if.... there was lord of the rings... but with boobies and le sex?????!!
It's nothing but a construct of its time, like Watchmen for superheroes
lotr is full of morally grey characters (denethor, boromir, eowyn, galadriel, bombadil, etc.)
what gurmgays don't like is that being grey is depicted as a flaw to be overcome rather than cool and badass
I've always wondered why the dwarves at Erebor were so rich. It doesn't seem to naturally lend itself to trading with any of the major kingdoms. The only river for easy movement flows south east, away from Gondor, Rohan, Lorien, etc. Mirkwood is in the way of caravan trade as well. The only easy way to trade seems to be with the other dwarven kingdoms in the Iron hills and they probably wouldn't have much need for shit coming out of Erebor. While I understand dwarves tend to be grumpy little isolationist c**ts, you would think they would have more kingdoms in the misty mountains so they can sell stuff and be extremely rich.
Gimli knew Moria was dead because MORIA is not its name. Moria means The Black Pit, and they called it that after it was destroyed and infested with orcs. The city's name was Dwarrowdelf or Khazad-dum. He didn't know Balin's group failed to retake part of it and establish a new colony there.
They didn't have resupply missions planned? Generally when you establish a new colony, you resupply them periodically. And get things in return, showing that the colony is beginning to flourish.
Sending one group and then never hearing from them again should be a big red flag.
It was a foolhardy mission that everyone in Dwarfistan advised against precisely because they had no feasible way to resupply it. Iirc in the books the Dwarves are fairly sure the Moria expedition got destroyed when they lost contact with it, and finding the proof of its fate does not come as a shock to Gimli. The movie changes things a bit to make the expedition's failure have a bigger emotional impact for the audience.
It also demonstrates how Gimli is one to never give up hope no matter how slim, which is why he fits so well into the Fellowship despite Dwarves being selfish buttholes. It's a nice moment even if a tragic one
The nations in the third age were mainly agrarian and mostly traded for niche stuff. The Shire, Gondor and Mordor were mostly farmland. Elves are immortal so who cares what they eat. The actually interesting question is where did the dwarves get their food from.
I just assumed they got food via a mix of trade with mirkwood and the lakemen. The lakemen could provide fish and they likely had some farmers dotted around the outside of the lake while the elves sold wine and probably hunt for deer and other game. All of this can be sent down to the lake by river where trading parties from Erebor go to sell goods and return with resources.
There was presumably some trade with the Woodland Realm in the early days of Erebor, and after Sauron's forces abandoned Dol Goldur (about 70 years after the founding of Erebor), you had about 700 years of relative peace in the region, in the absence of Sauron's corrupting presence.
The Dwaves maintained a trade road from the Celduin to the Anduin near the High Pass to Rivendell, so trade with Rivendell, Bree, Rohan, and Gondor were all possibilities.
They were simply rich because of the gold and gems they mined at Erebor.
They bought food from Dale and the Dorwinion area humans.
They traded their gold for iron from (unironically) the Iron Hills dwarves
Why is "the shire" pronounced differently than "hampshire"?
A lot of old English place names have just had their pronunciation shortened over hundreds of years, that's why there's a discrepancy compared to how they're spelt.
The dwarves had a few colonies in the Blue Mountains, where most of the survivors of Erebor relocated after Smaug's conquest, and there were a few unassociated tribes of Men left after the fall of Arnor like the Dunlendings. But that was about it.
there are posthumous works published by his kid, who's as much of a prune or more than Tolkien was. so it's probably lore accurate. i know there's one about the numenoreans.
of course there's always THE RINGS OF POWER ON Amazon PRIME JUST $19.99 A MONTH
>I tried reading the silmarillion but I got filtered.
I recomend listening to it in audio book form. its hard to get past the creation part for some but the book really picks up once the elves cross the sea and go to war with Morgoth
So, what happened to the Kingdom of Arnor?
It just collapsed and the royal family became random bandits, aka. "rangers"?
Wtf? Tolkien takes a lot of inspiration but this seems just lazy worldbuilding.
I don't have problem with "collapse" but how it collapsed.
When it collapses there is usually balkanization, but Arnor's state just left behind nothing but anarchy and no successor states
You're thinking of Beleriand which sank thousands of years before. In the map from the post you replied to, it would have been situated west of Forlindon.
Arnor had a succession crisis leading to three competing kingdoms. IIRC the Kings of Arthedain had the best claim, those were Aragorn's ancestors. Eventually, Angmar destroyed Rhudaur after it became utterly decadent and corrupted, the other two finally banded together but it wasn't enough. A massive expeditionary force from Gondor (which was still going strong at the time) came too late to save the two kingdoms but they joined with the Elves to destroy Angmar with the Witch-King barely escaping. The Palantir of Amon Sul was lost into the sea after the last King of Arthedain and his ship sank during a storm. The survivors from Arnors became the Dunedains and kept hunting wargs, orcs, trolls and other Angmar critters, this is why the Shire is so peaceful. Isildur's line survived in secret until Aragorn.
The thing with Arnor was that the king Eärendur died without naming an actual successor between his three sons. One, Amlaith, came up with the idea that they just split it up between them all being equal and cooperating kingdoms. Which was kinda fine, until Sauron started sending plagues and the Witch-king raising wights to frick with Cardolan or overthrowing the ruling line in Rhudaur with hillmen.
>Glorfindel finally gets up from his retirement home >Witch king pisses and shits his pants >flees >''what a b***h, wont even be a man that slays him'' >goes back into retirement
Why even bring him back from the dead when he's just gonna be lazy and do as little as possible?
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In hindsight they brought the wrong guy back. Based Ecthelion would have kicked asses left and right.
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>literally kills Gothmog, most powerful creature to serve Melkor (even more than Sauron) by charging and smashing his helm in it.
Fricking badass.
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>gothmog >most powerful creature to serve morgoth
Uhh bro your dragons?
He wasn't bothered about hobbits. Even the Orcs faced by Bullroarer only invaded the shire because they were survivors of a Ranger purge of a much larger army.
No the state collapses and the region falls into a sort of Dark Age analogous to post-Roman western Europe without the barbarian kingdoms with the exception of Rohan, who are clearly based on the Goths. The people all remain and nominally remain loyal to the local lord but the lord has absolutely no institutional power. It's said in FOTR that the Hobbits continue to maintain the royal road and aid messengers as part of this feudal obligation but nothing besides.
Gondor is the ERE, Arnor was the WRE and Rohan is analogous to a barbarian kingdom like Frankia or Lombardia.
>post-Roman western Europe without the barbarian kingdoms
Tbh Tolkien's inspiration was likely Britain post-Roman withdrawal but pre-Anglo-Saxon colonisation. Institutional power disappears overnight but people still go about their day to day life much the same. The men of Bree & Dunlendings are both descended from LOTR's analogue for the Celts as well
>The men of Bree & Dunlendings are both descended from LOTR's analogue for the Celts as well
you pulled that out of your ass famalam
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Tolkien never spelled it out directly, but the Dunlendings are clearly the Welsh/Britons who got pushed out by the Rohirrim (Anglo-Saxons).
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I think he says that the Bree-men are descended from the same race as Dunlendings but that they adopted Westron and more civilized lifestyles under the influence of their rulers in Arnor. Besides being being pretty obviously based on Britons/Welsh, they are physically described as being somewhat like Welsh/Irishmen being short, slightly tanned skinned with dark hair.
>It's said in FOTR that the Hobbits continue to maintain the royal road
Where does it say that? Because the royal road doesnt even run through the shire and it's mentioned that it has fallen into decay during the events of lotr
It might be mentioned in one of the short introductory chapters that explains the history of the Shire. IIRC he says that they still are obliged to lodge & hasten messengers and watch the road as part of their initial obligation to the kings of Arnor
The names and everything are pure Old English but the Goths were an equestrian cavalry people for a few centuries when they lived on the Ukrainian steppe before they were pushed westwards by the arrival of the Huns. Germanic epics regarding the Goths inform some of his writing already. Mirkwood is blatantly taken from the name for a forest that separated the Goths from the Huns in a few sagas.
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>before they were pushed westwards by the arrival of the Hun
the Dunlendings should be goths then and Rohan the huns
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The Dunlendings & other non-Numenorian men are the LOTR equivalent of Celts, who the Goths did invade and rule over in Gaul & Spain
>rad-ass fire sword gimmick >DOESN'T even get used, instead uses a flail
Bravo Hackson, you wasted the one true boss battle this character gets to have on screen, by making it too short and with questionable choices.
>Oversaw the Franks becoming a decadent cheese eating hon hon honing latinized abomination before being cucked off the throne themselves
Merovirgins sucked
Lond Daer was important when the sea route was important for exporting lumber for ships. When the sea lanes became less important it was gradually abandoned.
Tharbad was important when the land routes were important. You can see what used to be a road on the map. When the land route stopped being important Tharbad quit being important and was gradually abandoned.
That area basically lost its economic reasons to exist hundreds if not thousands of years ago. It was more or less economically untenable when other parts of Arnor were destroyed. Trade stops being a thing when everyone's dead from Sauron.
English is a conglomerate language of Latin, Germanic languages and other shit. The rules make no sense because they just kind of made em up as they went along.
True. Though in spite of the rules for spelling and conjugation being inconsistent and unintuitive for many cases, Modern English has (arguably) some of the best structural consistency and adaptability of any modern language, which has led to its high information density and high adoption rate.
If you ever want to have a nightmarish linguistic experience - try learning Russian. Excellent conventions for spelling (virtually every word is pronounced exactly like you think it would be), but basically a fricking free-for-all when it comes to sentence structure.
>giga tentacle monster gets lured by the ring >swallows the fellowships' ships whole >the end
>get spotted by a nazgul >they destroy the ships >ships sink >the end
>run out of food >have to camp near the coast >get rekt by bandits, orcs or pirates >the end
>somehow make it to harnen river >have to paddle literally hundreds of miles upriver in hostile territory >get spotted and rekt >the end
You forget another likely outcome: >Ulmo, Valar of the Sea, becomes tempted by the Ring and claims possession of it. Congratulations, you just made a Mini Morgoth.
no, not even a little bit likely, the valar are so far above saurons power, and ulmo is a bro and cares about the people of middle earth still more than any of them, it's his lingering presence in the waters that makes the nazgul shit themselves approaching rivers.
>RHÚN >FORODWAITH >NEAR HARAD
You guys are making fun of "Lands of Always Winter" but that is more believable name created by medieval people than any of this shit
the land is populated in the late 3rd age sparsely the old cities of Lond dear and Tharbad are now ruins and shadows of what they once were. in the blue mountains there is a clan of dwarves that do not meddle in the affairs of men nor elves.
Dude, Legolas is just some little princeling. Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon.
Oh, and he's also got one of the Elven Rings, Vilya.
>Dude, Legolas is just some little princeling. Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon. >Oh, and he's also got one of the Elven Rings, Vilya.
Yeah I would have guessed one or two powergaps above. Next to legolas seems low.
>Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon.
Elrond double feature or focus when? Elrond's life is one of the most unsung tragedies in the stories, and even in the end he is separated from his children.
For real. His father was frickin' Eärendil, his twin brother Elros was the first king of Numenor so you got how all that went to shit. Was married to Galadriel's daughter Celebrian who's group got ambushed by orcs while travelling to Lorien once and the whole thing was so horrible she left early on back into the west.
Honestly, the removal of Elrohir and Elladan always bothered me though I get why they wouldn't be in the films and it still bothers me how they completely destroyed the actual relationship between Elrond and Aragorn for forced 'You're not good enough for my daughter' drama.
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>for forced 'You're not good enough for my daughter' drama.
Wasnt that the case in the books as well? Elrond says something like ''become king of gondor again and defend middle earth from sauron before you'll be worthy of my daughter''
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>Wasnt that the case in the books as well?
Elrond's case makes sense. Sauron threatened to invade and make everyone either bend the knee or be put to the sword. Before the story Aragorn was on paper just a ranger with a secret heritage. Elrond wanted his daughter to have a future without she and her children getting killed by Sauron's forces in a ranger camp.
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Before Aragorn there where only two other men that coupled with elves, Beren, who steals a Silmaril from Morgoth and Tuor(Elronds grandpa). Makes sense Elrond doesn't want Arwen to marry anyone but the king of Men
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>Before Aragorn there where only two other men that coupled with elves
Nah, Tolkien threw a sneaky and suggested there were a few more human-elf marriages with Prince Imrahil
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It's more of a case of 'either you'll be the best fricking king ever to be good enough to marry my daughter, or all will be lost anyways'
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thinking back I think the wording was 'either he would rise above all his lineage since the days of Elendil the Tall, father of Isildur, or he would plunge into darkness with all the remnants of his kin.'
He wasn't totally against it and he was a foster father to Aragorn, but dang nabbit if he wasn't going to make him earn the right to take the evenstar from her people.
He put most of his sneedforce into the One Ring and he didn't have enough leftover to make a the Second Ring. He was forced to live or die by the ring he had created.
Honestly, I think that's one of the more interesting things and probably his biggest frick-up. Sauron's whole deal was that he saw what happened to Morgoth and how he weakened himself putting so much of his essence into all his nasty shit. His whole deal was just using the base darker aspects already in man, dwarf, whatever and twisting that to his own ends. He didn't even want to unmake creation like Morgoth, he just wanted dominion.
And then he goes and puts his power in that fricking ring.
that's why Sauron is tripping so hard in the books/movies. he fricked up by pouring all his essence into 1 item and he knows it. Brilliant writing by Tolkien
Is this good? I place Galadriel equal to Elrond because she also has a ring of power. However I'm not sure how they, glorfindel, the other nazguls and radagast rank compared to each other. I placed the witch king above gandalf because of that one scene in the movie but I don't remember what happens in the book.
You can’t even powerscale eru because basically everything that is not him is happening by his permission. The other characters are basically just thoughts of eru
Eowyn didnt win through power levels though, she won because Merry stabbed the WK first with a magic dagger and the Witch King was all arrogant and sloppy because "no man could kill him"
She definitely wasn't stronger or a better fight than Legolas/Gimli/Aragorn
>J.R.R. Tolkien stated in a letter that Eru again intervened at the end of the Third Age, causing Gollum to trip and fall into the fires of Mount Doom while holding the One Ring, thus destroying it.
>The origin and nature of Tom Bombadil are unknown; however, he claimed already existed before the Dark Lord came to Arda[2], signifying he may have been alive even before the coming of the Valar. (It is unclear whether he refers to Melkor's first or second entry into the world.) In any case, Tom is insinuated to have been the first living creature to inhabit Arda.
Should Tom Bombadil be on a rank of his own above Morgoth/melkor?
possibly but he’s just sort of a mystery. it seems like he doesn’t have power outside of his little domain anyway. there is some letter where tolkien says he would have fallen to sauron had sauron gotten the ring, even though he seemed not at all bothered by its power. he’s the sort of folklore figure you can’t really fit into strict power levels because he operates in a way that doesn’t make sense to us
>Should Tom Bombadil be on a rank of his own above Morgoth/melkor?
Tom is a mystery but imo is more of an avatar of Arda itself than anything else. I'd say he's an equal to Morgoth. Tom could be destroyed by Morgoth and his supporters given enough time but Morgoth's opposition will never allow it.
It's a wasteland. Tolkien noticed that it was no small feat for Boromir going alone to Rivendell by that road. The place is empty, the river crossings in ruins.
Used to be elf lands, but Sauron laid waste to the country in the 2nd Age. I guess Men moved in and gradually settled it with small agrarian communities probably not much different from the Shire.
I don't get why if Tolkien wanted to write a legend he had it end with Frodo writing the story in a book. Real legends start out as songs and poems and don't get written down for generations, when has a legend ever been a first hand account written by the hero?
I bet Saruman has the peoples there under his control
Conspiracy theorist
In the south west part of the circle certainly that's Dunland where the human warriors we see pillaging Rohan are from. Besides that yeah I mean even as close to the Shire as Bree there are spies everywhere working for both Sauron and Saruman. In the books Aragorn talks about how the Rangers have kept the Shire safe and blissfully ignorant of the evil of the outside world
Oy vey
Stop noticing things
taxes too high so nobody lives there
Almost empty with some ruins from Arnor and the Numenorian colonies which got hit by massive deforestation, wars with Sauron, wars with the Witch King and a huge plague.
not my thread but thank you for the genuine response
I played an Enedwaith game in the Divide and Conquer Third Age Total War mod and it was pretty fun. If the lore in that game is true to the lore in universe then they're like smelly stinky peasant vikings just like the Dunlendings and they're basically loyal to Saruman kind of but I went against him in my game and tried to ally with Gondor and Bree.
Brandybucks
I will break the Brandybucks
and across the street, another Brandybucks
believe it or not, tolkien was a hack
yikes what a moronic map
even grrm's unfinished books are better than Tolkslop
Language is hard. This was maybe my answer to Martin, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. A Song of Ice and Fire had a very modern philosophy: that if the king was a good man, he would get his dick chopped off. We look at history and it’s not that simple. Martin can say that Bran became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Martin doesn’t ask the question: How was High Valyrian conjugated? Does the pluperfect tense of Bravosi derive from the suffix? How did dragons understand the verb “dracarys”? And what about all those lost Westerosi languages? By the end of the war, the Night King is gone but all of the autists aren’t gone – they’re in the Godswood, watching beautiful sisters be beautifully raped. Did Bran pursue a policy of monolingualism and kill all other languages? Even the little baby dialects in their little dialect regions?
i'd forgotten about the beautiful rape, thanks for reminding me, sénor Tolkien
>moral grayness
The Dunlendings are Palestinians being driven out of their homeland by israeli Rohans and American Gondorians.
Nah they're all invading Elvish lands, Dunlendings need to go back to Hildórien
this, and mordorcs are poor russians fighting back after their kids got genocided in gondorbas
The difference is that Rohirrim can fight and actually bail your "Americans" out rather than the other way around. Also, they don't wear diapers into combat.
/misc/ truly does rot your brain.
Uh you're israeli
Tolkien loved israelites and said he was sorry to say he regretfully wasn’t part of that proud people… in a letter to a nazi. Tolkien has always been on the side of the left
>tradcath conservative
>but he's a leftist because he was anti-nazi
modern political discourse is moronic, I bet you'd simultaneously say that Republicans are far right even though they also love israelites and hate nazis.
Republicans in the US are unironically far right by actual political metrics the rest of the first world uses.
That's a line someone feed you on a topic you don't understand.
Try that again in English, please? It's not a "line" it's based on their policy positions and statements, they have been hijacked by the far right. It's why these crypt keepers cry about me CRT and muh woke and have no clue what any of that online /misc/ reactionary shit means, because it's meaningless. It's why you scare off moderate Republicans in every state to the point of them voting for fricking Biden in 2020.
>anyone
>voting for Biden in 2020
no one's buying your lies, shill.
Wrong board, schizo.
>AHHH BATCH VOTING I AM LITERALLY GOING INSANE
>invasion of iraq
>unconditional support of isreal (a genuine far-right state)
>banning abortion
of iraq
Supported by both sides. Continued war under Obama.
support of isreal (a genuine far-right state)
Supported by both sides. No president since Kennedy has said "no" to them
abortion
There is no effective ban on abortion. One only has to travel to a jurisdiction that allows it.
Left and right is an illusion.
I agree that dems lean to the right too, compared to the world. It's just that republicans are even further right.
>Supported by both sides. (iraq)
not really, see pic
>Supported by both sides. (israel)
dems are less extreme in their support
>There is no effective ban on abortion. One only has to travel to a jurisdiction that allows it.
Reactionary move when worldwide it's overwhelmingly accepted. (see previous map)
Good job cropping the context.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002
Funny how congress always has just enough support for Israel and supports their wars regardless of the percentage of dems and reps.
>I agree that dems lean to the right too, compared to the world. It's just that republicans are even further right.
If they both lean "far right" aren't you diminishing any importance to the term?
using left or right is a simplification
this anon is correct
Having clearly defined good and evil isn't necessarily worse than everyone being morally grey. They're simply two different literary devices which an author can employ. It's the exact same as the setting for a story. You wouldn't write a story about a navy and make it take place on land just because you can have more variation and complexity with the setting. Lotr wouldn't be better if Gandalf was a sadistic nymphomaniac with a penchant for goblins or if Sauron was shown to have a soft spot for taking care of orcs with disabilities. It works because it shows man's triumph over insurmountable odds against an evil corrupting influence. Some stories require black and white morality whereas others don't because they're both trying to entertain you in different ways.
> Lotr wouldn't be better if Gandalf was a sadistic nymphomaniac with a penchant for goblins
I beg to differ
your excellent answer is wasted on egregious bait
Why do I get the feeling that everytime someone brings up GRRM vs Tolkien, they taking comments out of context and perhaps making things up entirely about what GRRM actually said?
Because no one on here has actually read Tolkien or GRRM
You mean to tell me that people are being disingenuous on the internet? I find that hard to believe
Why is it anyone who posts wojak derivatives, especially projective ones, are always complete idiots?
>ASoIaF has complex characters
The humor is people actually believe this. Schlock fantasy pulp of the 70s/80s like Sanctuary/Thieves Guild are more nuanced and complex than GRRMtrash.
humans are highly motivated by sex. excluding it from your story because you want to read it to your kids isn't an excuse.
am I really supposed to believe Aragorn, a man in his 70s is a virgin? Come on.
>what was Aragorn's sex policy?
Without condoms, the pill, public abortion and the menace of orc stds its no wonder people kept it in their pants until marriage.
it's weird how these ancient Numenorean lines keep failing when all of them stays young well into their 100s.
>Tolkien didn't explicitly say Aragorn penetrated Arwen so it never happened
Ok moron, nice bait
GoT isn't fantasy, it's smut with a coating of fantasy.
GoT is smut yes. The books are not. I've read a lot of erotica; there's nothing horny about Sams fat pink mast. Erotica is meant to arouse and make you horny.
GRRM isn't doing that. I think he doesn't like sex, being a fat frick who probably hasn't had much.
Dude spends pages talking about the smell of cum. He is writing smut, you just don't like his particular fetish.
I doubt it's pages, and if it's erotica is the shittiest erotica ever.
Regardless you are wrong.
Man, if you think GoT is smut you really haven't been exposed to ACTUAL smut masquerading as genre fiction.
LoTR will go down as a timeless classic, the greatest piece of fantasy literature, while ASOIAF will be known for being its edgy parody
>dude, what if.... there was lord of the rings... but with boobies and le sex?????!!
It's nothing but a construct of its time, like Watchmen for superheroes
the witcher series had much better le morally grey stuff
> Moral greyness.
Get that relativist shit out of my face.
what i think of with moral greyness is not that it's absent of good and evil
>the witcher series had much better le morally grey stuff
Yep, the fat Polack did better what GURM was trying to do
i've had shits like that usually after a few mcdoubles
pink slime gives ur body the "ick"
>morally grey is kino
No it’s not
It is, but only for so long. If everyone and everything is dubious it gets grating, and doesn't lead to a good story.
lotr is full of morally grey characters (denethor, boromir, eowyn, galadriel, bombadil, etc.)
what gurmgays don't like is that being grey is depicted as a flaw to be overcome rather than cool and badass
Morally gay
>le everyone is a piece of shit meme
Imagine how much of a c**t you actually have to be to think this is true.
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I know this is bait but bruh
you don''t even know what Modernism MEANS
>morally grey is better
excellent tradlarp bait
I've always wondered why the dwarves at Erebor were so rich. It doesn't seem to naturally lend itself to trading with any of the major kingdoms. The only river for easy movement flows south east, away from Gondor, Rohan, Lorien, etc. Mirkwood is in the way of caravan trade as well. The only easy way to trade seems to be with the other dwarven kingdoms in the Iron hills and they probably wouldn't have much need for shit coming out of Erebor. While I understand dwarves tend to be grumpy little isolationist c**ts, you would think they would have more kingdoms in the misty mountains so they can sell stuff and be extremely rich.
Seems like dwarves are highly isolationist and self-sufficient. Gimli had no idea Moria was dead, and it had been dead for decades.
Gimli knew Moria was dead because MORIA is not its name. Moria means The Black Pit, and they called it that after it was destroyed and infested with orcs. The city's name was Dwarrowdelf or Khazad-dum. He didn't know Balin's group failed to retake part of it and establish a new colony there.
They didn't have resupply missions planned? Generally when you establish a new colony, you resupply them periodically. And get things in return, showing that the colony is beginning to flourish.
Sending one group and then never hearing from them again should be a big red flag.
It was a foolhardy mission that everyone in Dwarfistan advised against precisely because they had no feasible way to resupply it. Iirc in the books the Dwarves are fairly sure the Moria expedition got destroyed when they lost contact with it, and finding the proof of its fate does not come as a shock to Gimli. The movie changes things a bit to make the expedition's failure have a bigger emotional impact for the audience.
It also demonstrates how Gimli is one to never give up hope no matter how slim, which is why he fits so well into the Fellowship despite Dwarves being selfish buttholes. It's a nice moment even if a tragic one
>don’t get a Christmas card for decades
>they must just be really busy or something
The nations in the third age were mainly agrarian and mostly traded for niche stuff. The Shire, Gondor and Mordor were mostly farmland. Elves are immortal so who cares what they eat. The actually interesting question is where did the dwarves get their food from.
I just assumed they got food via a mix of trade with mirkwood and the lakemen. The lakemen could provide fish and they likely had some farmers dotted around the outside of the lake while the elves sold wine and probably hunt for deer and other game. All of this can be sent down to the lake by river where trading parties from Erebor go to sell goods and return with resources.
There was presumably some trade with the Woodland Realm in the early days of Erebor, and after Sauron's forces abandoned Dol Goldur (about 70 years after the founding of Erebor), you had about 700 years of relative peace in the region, in the absence of Sauron's corrupting presence.
The Dwaves maintained a trade road from the Celduin to the Anduin near the High Pass to Rivendell, so trade with Rivendell, Bree, Rohan, and Gondor were all possibilities.
>I've always wondered why the dwarves at Erebor were so rich
They dig up gold and gems and hoard it. There was 3 movies about this.
They were simply rich because of the gold and gems they mined at Erebor.
They bought food from Dale and the Dorwinion area humans.
They traded their gold for iron from (unironically) the Iron Hills dwarves
A lot of old English place names have just had their pronunciation shortened over hundreds of years, that's why there's a discrepancy compared to how they're spelt.
The dwarves had a few colonies in the Blue Mountains, where most of the survivors of Erebor relocated after Smaug's conquest, and there were a few unassociated tribes of Men left after the fall of Arnor like the Dunlendings. But that was about it.
tax heaven
Wait for the DLC.
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What's the most approachable lotr book after the main series and the hobbit? I tried reading the silmarillion but I got filtered.
There aren’t any I’m afraid
sparknotes that shit
there are posthumous works published by his kid, who's as much of a prune or more than Tolkien was. so it's probably lore accurate. i know there's one about the numenoreans.
of course there's always THE RINGS OF POWER ON Amazon PRIME JUST $19.99 A MONTH
the children of hurin
>I tried reading the silmarillion but I got filtered.
I recomend listening to it in audio book form. its hard to get past the creation part for some but the book really picks up once the elves cross the sea and go to war with Morgoth
The Children of Hurin. It's actually my favorite book of Tolkiens. Considerably darker in tone.
Porn.
So, what happened to the Kingdom of Arnor?
It just collapsed and the royal family became random bandits, aka. "rangers"?
Wtf? Tolkien takes a lot of inspiration but this seems just lazy worldbuilding.
I don't have problem with "collapse" but how it collapsed.
When it collapses there is usually balkanization, but Arnor's state just left behind nothing but anarchy and no successor states
Yes it did.
Doesn't a giant fricking chunk of that sink or something?
That was way before
that land was to the west and it happened before this map
I don't think how real is this map but in my mind it wasn't that big
It is accurate, Beleriand was huge
Were you there?
Yes, frick you
>A bunch of people drown under the sea due to a sudden change of weather or something uncontrollable, call it Beleriand, “Bell end”
What was his problem?
You're thinking of Beleriand which sank thousands of years before. In the map from the post you replied to, it would have been situated west of Forlindon.
Arnor had a succession crisis leading to three competing kingdoms. IIRC the Kings of Arthedain had the best claim, those were Aragorn's ancestors. Eventually, Angmar destroyed Rhudaur after it became utterly decadent and corrupted, the other two finally banded together but it wasn't enough. A massive expeditionary force from Gondor (which was still going strong at the time) came too late to save the two kingdoms but they joined with the Elves to destroy Angmar with the Witch-King barely escaping. The Palantir of Amon Sul was lost into the sea after the last King of Arthedain and his ship sank during a storm. The survivors from Arnors became the Dunedains and kept hunting wargs, orcs, trolls and other Angmar critters, this is why the Shire is so peaceful. Isildur's line survived in secret until Aragorn.
The thing with Arnor was that the king Eärendur died without naming an actual successor between his three sons. One, Amlaith, came up with the idea that they just split it up between them all being equal and cooperating kingdoms. Which was kinda fine, until Sauron started sending plagues and the Witch-king raising wights to frick with Cardolan or overthrowing the ruling line in Rhudaur with hillmen.
>Glorfindel finally gets up from his retirement home
>Witch king pisses and shits his pants
>flees
>''what a b***h, wont even be a man that slays him''
>goes back into retirement
Why even bring him back from the dead when he's just gonna be lazy and do as little as possible?
In hindsight they brought the wrong guy back. Based Ecthelion would have kicked asses left and right.
>literally kills Gothmog, most powerful creature to serve Melkor (even more than Sauron) by charging and smashing his helm in it.
Fricking badass.
>gothmog
>most powerful creature to serve morgoth
Uhh bro your dragons?
I like Rhudaur, shame that they went and stayed full dark side tho
>what happened to the Kingdom of Arnor?
so Angmaria conquered it?
So, the Witch King genocided all people from Arnor except the Hobbits?
He wasn't bothered about hobbits. Even the Orcs faced by Bullroarer only invaded the shire because they were survivors of a Ranger purge of a much larger army.
No the state collapses and the region falls into a sort of Dark Age analogous to post-Roman western Europe without the barbarian kingdoms with the exception of Rohan, who are clearly based on the Goths. The people all remain and nominally remain loyal to the local lord but the lord has absolutely no institutional power. It's said in FOTR that the Hobbits continue to maintain the royal road and aid messengers as part of this feudal obligation but nothing besides.
Gondor is the ERE, Arnor was the WRE and Rohan is analogous to a barbarian kingdom like Frankia or Lombardia.
>post-Roman western Europe without the barbarian kingdoms
Tbh Tolkien's inspiration was likely Britain post-Roman withdrawal but pre-Anglo-Saxon colonisation. Institutional power disappears overnight but people still go about their day to day life much the same. The men of Bree & Dunlendings are both descended from LOTR's analogue for the Celts as well
>The men of Bree & Dunlendings are both descended from LOTR's analogue for the Celts as well
you pulled that out of your ass famalam
Tolkien never spelled it out directly, but the Dunlendings are clearly the Welsh/Britons who got pushed out by the Rohirrim (Anglo-Saxons).
I think he says that the Bree-men are descended from the same race as Dunlendings but that they adopted Westron and more civilized lifestyles under the influence of their rulers in Arnor. Besides being being pretty obviously based on Britons/Welsh, they are physically described as being somewhat like Welsh/Irishmen being short, slightly tanned skinned with dark hair.
>It's said in FOTR that the Hobbits continue to maintain the royal road
Where does it say that? Because the royal road doesnt even run through the shire and it's mentioned that it has fallen into decay during the events of lotr
It might be mentioned in one of the short introductory chapters that explains the history of the Shire. IIRC he says that they still are obliged to lodge & hasten messengers and watch the road as part of their initial obligation to the kings of Arnor
>Rohan, who are clearly based on the Goths.
Funny, I have seen people say Rohan is what Anglo-Saxon would be if they were obsessed with horses.
The names and everything are pure Old English but the Goths were an equestrian cavalry people for a few centuries when they lived on the Ukrainian steppe before they were pushed westwards by the arrival of the Huns. Germanic epics regarding the Goths inform some of his writing already. Mirkwood is blatantly taken from the name for a forest that separated the Goths from the Huns in a few sagas.
>before they were pushed westwards by the arrival of the Hun
the Dunlendings should be goths then and Rohan the huns
The Dunlendings & other non-Numenorian men are the LOTR equivalent of Celts, who the Goths did invade and rule over in Gaul & Spain
>rad-ass fire sword gimmick
>DOESN'T even get used, instead uses a flail
Bravo Hackson, you wasted the one true boss battle this character gets to have on screen, by making it too short and with questionable choices.
arnor was a clear inspiration from the carolingians, who collapsed and divided from family infighting
>9th century undecided border creates wars up until ww2
Movies for this kino?
I know, but what is inspiration for Dunedain of Arnor?
carolingians were cool, but they were no Merovingians
>Oversaw the Franks becoming a decadent cheese eating hon hon honing latinized abomination before being cucked off the throne themselves
Merovirgins sucked
Reminder: Alfrid Lickspittle won
Best Collins Farrel acting ever
no fricking way
> literally says the lost realm of Arnor.
It was lost. As in "Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.".
people make for the Gap of Rohan
Lond Daer was important when the sea route was important for exporting lumber for ships. When the sea lanes became less important it was gradually abandoned.
Tharbad was important when the land routes were important. You can see what used to be a road on the map. When the land route stopped being important Tharbad quit being important and was gradually abandoned.
That area basically lost its economic reasons to exist hundreds if not thousands of years ago. It was more or less economically untenable when other parts of Arnor were destroyed. Trade stops being a thing when everyone's dead from Sauron.
Why is "the shire" pronounced differently than "hampshire"?
Why is Kansas pronounced differently than Arkansas?
english is moronic
Actually it's because they're both different places and they have different names.
English is a conglomerate language of Latin, Germanic languages and other shit. The rules make no sense because they just kind of made em up as they went along.
True. Though in spite of the rules for spelling and conjugation being inconsistent and unintuitive for many cases, Modern English has (arguably) some of the best structural consistency and adaptability of any modern language, which has led to its high information density and high adoption rate.
If you ever want to have a nightmarish linguistic experience - try learning Russian. Excellent conventions for spelling (virtually every word is pronounced exactly like you think it would be), but basically a fricking free-for-all when it comes to sentence structure.
Those are both French words
I assumed they were injun
You asked the forbidden question. Expect a visit.
rolling
Why didn't they make for the gap of rohan like boromir suggested?
Saruman & friends
there's a scene in the movie where they get attacked by crows
>happily do battle with orcs and wraiths
>are those crows?
>runs away screaming
the crows were spies
the fellowship got rekt by saruman's orcs just a few chapters later, remember?
they were crebain.
The crows were the size of bicycles IIRC.
Fishing, mostly.
>giga tentacle monster gets lured by the ring
>swallows the fellowships' ships whole
>the end
>get spotted by a nazgul
>they destroy the ships
>ships sink
>the end
>run out of food
>have to camp near the coast
>get rekt by bandits, orcs or pirates
>the end
>somehow make it to harnen river
>have to paddle literally hundreds of miles upriver in hostile territory
>get spotted and rekt
>the end
At first glance I thought this was a nose meme.
brainrot
I'm going to assume a motive for this comment.
You forget another likely outcome:
>Ulmo, Valar of the Sea, becomes tempted by the Ring and claims possession of it. Congratulations, you just made a Mini Morgoth.
no, not even a little bit likely, the valar are so far above saurons power, and ulmo is a bro and cares about the people of middle earth still more than any of them, it's his lingering presence in the waters that makes the nazgul shit themselves approaching rivers.
Not likely at all. Ulmo is basically the most based being in arda
>RHÚN
>FORODWAITH
>NEAR HARAD
You guys are making fun of "Lands of Always Winter" but that is more believable name created by medieval people than any of this shit
>RHÚN
>NEAR HARAD
somehow the most suggestive fantasy regions ever
Especially it literally just means East and South.
*especially since
what does the rest of the continent look like?
>LoTR is public domain RIGHT NOW in New Zealand
weird I could have sworn I saw some kind of lotr-related film at some point hmmmm
What is the official LOTR power ranking?
Tom bombadil > the rest
It's mythology rules, the farther you go back in time the taller the tale.
Everyone died from Covid.
That's France / Prebeza , so just gay men, good cheese and wine ?
They're eagle flyover states.
kek
Who cares
the land is populated in the late 3rd age sparsely the old cities of Lond dear and Tharbad are now ruins and shadows of what they once were. in the blue mountains there is a clan of dwarves that do not meddle in the affairs of men nor elves.
>powerrank list
Morgoth and other gods
=== POWER GAP ===
Sauron
=== POWER GAP ===
Saruman (white/of many colors)
Gandalf (gray/white)
Balrog
Witchking
other nazguls
Radagast (brown)
=== POWER GAP ===
Schelob
Ents
Trolls
=== POWER GAP ===
Éowyn (kills the witch king)
Legolas
Aragorn
Éeomer
Gimli
Faramir
=== POWER GAP ===
Gollum
Frodo
Sam
Merry
Pippin
Not sure where to place the Elrond, Glorfindel, Smaug, Tom Bombadil (above or below sauron?), all the gods, all characters from silmarillon
Tom Bombadil above Sauron, Smaug above Shelob, Glorfindel above Radagast, Elrond above Legolas
>Elrond above Legolas
Wait really? That's seems kinda low.
Compared to Glorfindel he didn't really do a lot
Dude, Legolas is just some little princeling. Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon.
Oh, and he's also got one of the Elven Rings, Vilya.
>Dude, Legolas is just some little princeling. Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon.
>Oh, and he's also got one of the Elven Rings, Vilya.
Yeah I would have guessed one or two powergaps above. Next to legolas seems low.
Yeah, I was agreeing with you and expanding on it but I just noticed I forgot to link the other post so it probably came across differently.
>Elrond was the frickin' Herald of Gil-Galad and whooped tons of ass at his side during the Battle of the Morannon.
Elrond double feature or focus when? Elrond's life is one of the most unsung tragedies in the stories, and even in the end he is separated from his children.
For real. His father was frickin' Eärendil, his twin brother Elros was the first king of Numenor so you got how all that went to shit. Was married to Galadriel's daughter Celebrian who's group got ambushed by orcs while travelling to Lorien once and the whole thing was so horrible she left early on back into the west.
Honestly, the removal of Elrohir and Elladan always bothered me though I get why they wouldn't be in the films and it still bothers me how they completely destroyed the actual relationship between Elrond and Aragorn for forced 'You're not good enough for my daughter' drama.
>for forced 'You're not good enough for my daughter' drama.
Wasnt that the case in the books as well? Elrond says something like ''become king of gondor again and defend middle earth from sauron before you'll be worthy of my daughter''
>Wasnt that the case in the books as well?
Elrond's case makes sense. Sauron threatened to invade and make everyone either bend the knee or be put to the sword. Before the story Aragorn was on paper just a ranger with a secret heritage. Elrond wanted his daughter to have a future without she and her children getting killed by Sauron's forces in a ranger camp.
Before Aragorn there where only two other men that coupled with elves, Beren, who steals a Silmaril from Morgoth and Tuor(Elronds grandpa). Makes sense Elrond doesn't want Arwen to marry anyone but the king of Men
>Before Aragorn there where only two other men that coupled with elves
Nah, Tolkien threw a sneaky and suggested there were a few more human-elf marriages with Prince Imrahil
It's more of a case of 'either you'll be the best fricking king ever to be good enough to marry my daughter, or all will be lost anyways'
thinking back I think the wording was 'either he would rise above all his lineage since the days of Elendil the Tall, father of Isildur, or he would plunge into darkness with all the remnants of his kin.'
He wasn't totally against it and he was a foster father to Aragorn, but dang nabbit if he wasn't going to make him earn the right to take the evenstar from her people.
>Éowyn (kills the witch king)
She didn't though, Merry did.
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I thought that said Sneedwaith
Why didn't he make another more powerful ring?
He put most of his sneedforce into the One Ring and he didn't have enough leftover to make a the Second Ring. He was forced to live or die by the ring he had created.
Honestly, I think that's one of the more interesting things and probably his biggest frick-up. Sauron's whole deal was that he saw what happened to Morgoth and how he weakened himself putting so much of his essence into all his nasty shit. His whole deal was just using the base darker aspects already in man, dwarf, whatever and twisting that to his own ends. He didn't even want to unmake creation like Morgoth, he just wanted dominion.
And then he goes and puts his power in that fricking ring.
that's why Sauron is tripping so hard in the books/movies. he fricked up by pouring all his essence into 1 item and he knows it. Brilliant writing by Tolkien
Why didn't Peter Jackson add some farmland around Minas Tirith?
Most likely reason is that he knew he would have to show it afar and up close during the battle of pelennor fields and just got lazy and cheap.
Bad farmland, too dry, soil too rocky
Morgoth and other gods
=== POWER GAP ===
Tom Bombadil
Sauron
=== POWER GAP ===
Saruman (white/of many colors)
Witchking
Gandalf (gray/white)
Balrog
other nazguls
Glorfindel
Radagast (brown)
Elrond = Galadriel
=== POWER GAP ===
Smaug
Schelob
Ents
Trolls
=== POWER GAP ===
Éowyn (kills the witch king)
Legolas
Aragorn
Éeomer = Boromir = Gimli = Faramir
Theoden
Grima Wormtongue
=== POWER GAP ===
Gollum
Frodo
Sam
Merry
Pippin
Is this good? I place Galadriel equal to Elrond because she also has a ring of power. However I'm not sure how they, glorfindel, the other nazguls and radagast rank compared to each other. I placed the witch king above gandalf because of that one scene in the movie but I don't remember what happens in the book.
where’s eru
You can’t even powerscale eru because basically everything that is not him is happening by his permission. The other characters are basically just thoughts of eru
>no Valar
babby tier list
feel free to improve it
my homie Manwe gotta make the cut. shouts out to Ulmo too, he keeps the seas calm
Where is the watcher in the water and where are the nameless things Gandalf saw while pursuing the balrog through the depths of kazad-dum?
Eowyn didnt win through power levels though, she won because Merry stabbed the WK first with a magic dagger and the Witch King was all arrogant and sloppy because "no man could kill him"
She definitely wasn't stronger or a better fight than Legolas/Gimli/Aragorn
Eowyn is weaker than the average man, she just got lucky.
>J.R.R. Tolkien stated in a letter that Eru again intervened at the end of the Third Age, causing Gollum to trip and fall into the fires of Mount Doom while holding the One Ring, thus destroying it.
homie won a game of worms using prod
>The origin and nature of Tom Bombadil are unknown; however, he claimed already existed before the Dark Lord came to Arda[2], signifying he may have been alive even before the coming of the Valar. (It is unclear whether he refers to Melkor's first or second entry into the world.) In any case, Tom is insinuated to have been the first living creature to inhabit Arda.
Should Tom Bombadil be on a rank of his own above Morgoth/melkor?
possibly but he’s just sort of a mystery. it seems like he doesn’t have power outside of his little domain anyway. there is some letter where tolkien says he would have fallen to sauron had sauron gotten the ring, even though he seemed not at all bothered by its power. he’s the sort of folklore figure you can’t really fit into strict power levels because he operates in a way that doesn’t make sense to us
>Should Tom Bombadil be on a rank of his own above Morgoth/melkor?
Tom is a mystery but imo is more of an avatar of Arda itself than anything else. I'd say he's an equal to Morgoth. Tom could be destroyed by Morgoth and his supporters given enough time but Morgoth's opposition will never allow it.
He's kinda like Ungoliant in that sense
It's a wasteland. Tolkien noticed that it was no small feat for Boromir going alone to Rivendell by that road. The place is empty, the river crossings in ruins.
In the future there will be massive cities there.
Just small little Man hamlets and towns. It's mentioned in the book, moron.
Mostly ruins, wastelands, maybe some wildmen mud huts.
Tharbad was a little merchant town come the WOTR time period.
Used to be elf lands, but Sauron laid waste to the country in the 2nd Age. I guess Men moved in and gradually settled it with small agrarian communities probably not much different from the Shire.
I thought I was on Cinemaphile for a second.
>main bad guy is named sauron
>his sidekick is named sauron's man
bravo, hackson
>won't ever get a comfy Dwarf miniseries about all the mysteries in the deep earth, waking up balrogs, mining mithril and fighting goblins
Yes, but what was Gondor's tax policy?
>If we travel further south and go here, we will reach Mordor much more quickly, inshallah.
>le benin
I don't get why if Tolkien wanted to write a legend he had it end with Frodo writing the story in a book. Real legends start out as songs and poems and don't get written down for generations, when has a legend ever been a first hand account written by the hero?
Is pipeweed marijuana or tobacco?
Tobacco, I'm pretty sure there's a part which makes it pretty clear that pipe weed is tobacco but I can't remember it off of the top of my head.