What if "John Doe" was just pranking Detective Mills with the shit-talking?

What if "John Doe" was just pranking Detective Mills with the shit-talking? I mean, Detective Somerset didn't actually *confirm* what was in the box...

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "She begged for her life, and the life of her child."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she didn't die on-screen so its not confirmed. like Stannis.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Andy

        my king

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was pretty obvious that he was going to kill her, the movie really wanted to shove in your face how nice she was.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what movie took you by surprise? I like to read the endings of movies i go to just so I know what ending I'm walking in to. The Box for instance was only bad because of the ending, therefore I did not see it.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If you kill him... he will win.. somehow..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its true death is an end if hes alive you can make every second of his life hell from imprisenment. Prison for all the bad things people wanna say about it always gets even the toughest criminals in the end.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He wins by making the cop give in to his wrath and punish John Doe for his sin of jealousy. Brad Pitt's momentary satisfaction is undermined by an eternity of damnation.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if you kill a murderer there are the same number of murderers in the world - t. GOD

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what if you kill multiple?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That is so unrealistic. He would hear the weows

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if they were sedated with a timer to wake up and start meowing, like that dead guy with the gun at the end of Saw?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any other kinos with terrible endings? Whole final setup must've been done by someone else who clearly didn't even understand the motivations of the characters.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      please tell us the correct fate of Kevin Spacey at the end of se7en

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't, I've already told it before but you'll just have to find my offscreen and mysteriously vague ramblings in the middle of some other bygone thread in bumfrick nowhere down the ever reliable archives , fixing this terrible movie. Just take me by my word and believe it you know even if it makes no such sense for my character to do such and explain such in such a dead thread you know?
        Fix it yourself David.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          holy shit you're a goober. Next time you can just say. "I don't like the movie"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            haha David you fell for it. Enjoy being the 8th sin of moronic.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              kevin spacey is going to get you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In more ways then 1ne?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he will delegate to Jigsaw you'll get a roman numeral death instead

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    summerset did confirm what was in the box by not saying it wasn't her head

    john doe points it out

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will always insist this movie's ending was a complete shockfest that undid the movie's moral messages and the moral conundrum posed by Doe's actions. They thought "shit, people might actually hear this guy out" so then they just made him commit the most heinous act imagineable and act like a mustache-twirling villain despite the cop car scene humanizing him so people won't even think about contemplating on what he said about society and this country and the utter repugnant state of people in it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, this was my take too. It's such bullshit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there is no moral conundrum posed by doe's actions you don't get to torture and murder people becuase you think they're lazy/fat/vain/ect

      the cop car scene made him appear even nuttier trying to justify the unexcusable and getting all excited that mills was about to discover his decapitated wife's head

      superficially i agree with you though people suck

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there is no moral conundrum posed by doe's actions you don't get to torture and murder people becuase you think they're lazy/fat/vain/ect

        true and this is a big problem with the movie, for me. the tortures and murders are so cartoonish and edgy to the max that when they try to have their cake and eat it too and bait the audience with sympathizing and considering Doe's words about the failing society they know all too well that it feels like tonal whiplash. if you make the same movie but make the killings way tamer while honing in on the noir aspect, it would be way better. have the ending leave the moral question still standing. people give a lot of flack to the original ending but it sticks more. the ending with the head is the only thing people remember about this movie and it was by design. such a dishonest, soulless move. have the shock ending to bait people to go "OHMYGODSOEDGYSODARK" than have a tame, more mature and contemplative ending that leaves the viewer actually fricking thinking and not going "oh my that was really dark or something".

        Se7en, for my money, is one of the few films that truly is overrated and overappreciated. it just doesn't work once you pick it apart.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's obvious that Somerset was the real killer and John Doe was just a patsy

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sesevenen
    dumb fricking title
    it doesn't even mean anything

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