what is even the point in making new good cartoons when a pack of tumblrtards with their brains cooked with FNAF can make a shitty animation and get 300 million views and a franchise, same with Hazbin, same with Helluva
same with skibidi toilet, which is an even bigger insult
this shit had a fraction of the cost of X-Men 97' and it's already more popular than every fricking 92' and 97' video combined, and you ask for quality
this shit killed cartoons, this is the reason why CN will never make a good cartoon ever again, why even put effort when some FNAFtumblr fricks will make another "QUIRKY DARK LE LORE COOMBAIT main character AND SONG"
>what's the point of making good art when normalgays will always appreciate simple, popular crap
ahh, there it is anon, the age old artist's dilemma
the answer is because you are driven to
Indeed. I know cape stuff is dying and I know I lack the skill to animate, but regardless I am DRIVEN BY A PURE PRIMAL NEED to tell my slightly bonkers parody story
Wish me luck buds
frick yeah, rooting for you pal 🙂
hey I have one too!
Awesome! You can do it
heres something i made for my movie
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Looks like a good start, much better then what I can do
Thanks, and honestly mine isn’t even full cape. It’s like a mix between Venture Bros, and Into the Woods with parodies of movies I like. Where a bunch of people set out on individual adventures and end up with their stories colliding as they all go to the same place
>I know cape stuff is dying
Capeshit is dying but there's still room for it just look at invincible numbers on Amazon.
>Wish me luck buds
Good luck mate.
real question, what do I do when I am driven to want to make things but I am not motivated to actually do it? I feel like I have potential but I never follow through with the things I want to do. So how do I stop half-assing my work and actually set forth creating something if the drive isn't all the way there
There are better summaries than I can give (and I recommend you research), but in short you 1) build discipline into yourself and 2) find out how to capture motivation and stick with it.
These are difficult but doable. Start small and work up. I've had a novel I've been picking at since 2021 and I haven't lost the inspiration, because I make special effort to recall what thrills me about creating it. In my case, it is usually associated with the climax of certain scenes in my mind while listening to speific music.
Yours may be different.
Time management is always difficult, and there are techniques for that one as well. I recommend a schedule, even just a loose one like "Every Thursday sometime, try to write 5 pages". Or draw or program or animate, etc.
This.
You don't make art for people.
You don't make art for yourself.
You make art because art needs to exist.
That is true. People make art because they feel the need to, because at the moment, you are enlightened with a spark of creativity, and it demands to be left out into the world.
I mean, yeah artists often need to do stuff not for love, but for money or necessity just like anyone else, but the point is that art will never cease to exist, as long as there is a mind to perceive it.
FPBP, giving up on shit because certain people doing the same thing are more successful than you is fricking moronic
Why are you acting like OP is driven to do anything but b***h and moan about how it's everyone else's fault he never amounted to anything?
That explains the vore fetish pics, right?
>a rare actual FPBP
I kneel
I swear this board and /ic/ are completely filled with soulless insects that can't fathom the idea of doing something without expecting instant gratification in the form of praise or money. I truly hate what this website has become
Isn't that everything everyone on /ic/ hope to achieve some day?
I could personally give less of a shit whether I ever "make it big" or not but yes 99% of /ic/ just wants to get rich drawing porn
Unequivocally based. I think we all need this reminder every now and again.
I kneel.
FPBP
ironically what op refuses to understand is that everything he listed was created because the artist wanted to make it.
glitch already had murder drones, so why take a risk with a new show? because they wanted to.
vivziepop was already settled in and cozy with a good job and decent popularity, but she decided to risk it and put everything on hazbin
even fricking skibidi toilet started out as a shitpost, and then the maker decided he wanted to go further.
these people did not create out of a place for greed, they created because of pure passion. they put the content of their soul onto the canvas and were rewarded for it.
What the frick are you babbling on about, schizo?
>Mah boi
>Good art is what all true warriors strive for
FPBP
It’s also why listening to black-pilled AI-tards is useless
Based king
Cringe doomer
The king has spoken.
Powerful message
Thread's over before it even began
trver words have never been spoken
>tumblr
You are behind the frickin' times
why are you comparing TV cartoons with Youtube cartoons?
Both are cartoons
Skibidi Toilet is easily a more rentable franchise than DC SuperHero Girls rn.
Sounds too fricking unfair to not be comparable.
One got canceled despite having so much soul, the other is still getting 100milion views every week with a shitty Timbaland remix and tons of merch
if I was Lauren I would compare them, how much work and love we put into this project and how a moron makes a shitty SFM animation and beats all records possible while our show gets canceled
>more rentable franchise
not really when you're using Half Life 2 assets for it, unless you're counting bootleg shit
>One got canceled despite having so much soul,
Anon, just admit you only liked it for the porn it generated.
It's not like DCSHG's porn is that good either...
Proof you haven't watched Skibidi
That shit has better action scenes than 95% of 3d animated slop out there
It started out as a dumb meme but turned into KINO over time
Hazbin for one ditched its somewhat-humble internet roots for a major production with broadway people.
The Virgin "replace the entire cast with celebrities" vs. The Chad "I'm going to get as many Youtubers and New Grounds animators on my payroll as possible"
I can't be too mad. Goose seems pretty based for a troony.
4 posts
that's a new record
who cares about Youtube views if you're paid with peanuts?
sup Goose, kys
if anyone should kys, it should be you
You can make money from merch sales.
Amazing Digital Circus had amazing animation compared to most things on YouTube. This helped it stand out when compared to almost anything else.
Also being very popular on YouTube with your own idea makes it easier to convince Network executives to fund your show since you've already proven there is a market for it. Hazbin/Helluva being the most recent example.
>MAIN CHARACTER AND SONG
Is a show having a main character and music a problem now?
He's saying that Pomni has no personality beyond "le quirky and shy"
She's not particularly quirky nor shy.
We only had one episode, and it's not like she had zero traits. Her interactions with ragatha showed she's self serving
>Is a show having a main character and music a problem now?
I think that the problem is the same waifubait OC main character + electro Minecraftbait song made by one of these studios that make the same slop for every trend since FNAF, Doki Doki, Hazbin, Helluva, Baldi, etc
do what you can, op
Thanks granddad
Thanks, granddad.
Oops sorry, I'm in the wrong thread.
Anyway, thank you Grand Dad for always having a Yabba Dabba Doo time.
>glitch has good record
>goose has good record
>they collab
>it's interesting
>gets views
What is the problem here?
It’s popular so that means it’s bad
Not even close to being a high bar.
You are giving up before even taking a step.
>this is the reason why CN will never make a good cartoon ever again
CN will never make a good cartoon again because it is dead. And it is dead because it produced garbage. Put hot chicks and violence in cartoons again.
Cancerous fanbase.
>Cancerous fanbase.
This is very much a you problem. For example, I still genuinely don't know what scoobydoo toilet actually is because I simply don't interact with its fanbase. Some kind of Half Life machinima, I assume - cool, they can do their thing over there, I'll be over here not watching it with no skin off my nose.
The "cancerous fanbase" stuff pretty much just affects you if the aforementioned fanbase is of a thing you like, which led you to attempt to interact with it.
Happened to me with The Amazing Digital Circus. I simply ignore them from now on.
>This is very much a you problem
nah it's how well crafted this shit was made for zoomers who grew up with Freddy's, Baldi's Basics and YouTubers, braindead fricks like you
You're obsessed.
cry me a river cuck
instead of screaming about zoomers, it costs nothing but a few minutes to take a look at what you're yelling about, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/@DaFuqBoom/videos
just remember to go into it looking past the fact that this started from a seven second shitpost.
this is the kind of shit that zoomies eat nowadays? what the frick
be honest: did you watch one of the videos, or did you just just look at a few of the thumbnails/previews and say "yep! confirmation bias confirmed!"
That's nothing like me, which again makes it a you problem.
Let’s be real anon you never had any passion or creative drive in the first place, you’re just looking for excuses.
Terminally online people aren't real people
>shitty animation
Helluva/Hasbin is one of the best animated things made in a long time. If you want to refute this see how many recent things you can find that are animated better. Digital Circus's 3D is also great by any standards except animated 3D movies that cost hundreds of millions.
>what is even the point in making new good cartoons
You talk like you and your buddies could make something way better than this over the course of a few months. Neither you nor anyone else can make a series much better looking than these. And that includes multi billion dollar companies releasing new series. At most they could make something of comparable quality
>AcTuAlly its bad looking because I personally dislike the content even though the actual tecnical aspects are good
Frick off. That makes your post even less coherent. It's downright schizophrenic to say "what's the point in making stuff that would personally appeal to me when this thing that doesn't appeal to me is popular".
what network heads need to do is stop sending shit to die on some streaming platform or cutting them off mid season.
Helluva a Boss gets the most viewership out of anything Amazon ever had in animation.
You are basically stomping your feet and saying the suits should get rid of their most popular thing because it hurts your fee-fees to see something you don't like succeeding. Or do you just need your diaper changed? Goo goo gaga?
Helluva boss isn't on Amazon moron.
Helluva a Boss not Helluva Boss moron, completely different show. Just because it sounds similar shouldn't hurt your fee-fees, goo goo gaga,
>this shit had a fraction of the cost of X-Men 97' and it's already more popular than every fricking 92' and 97' video combined, and you ask for quality
TADC animation IS better than X-Men 97 and it's not even close, TADC got people that actually worked on big animated movies and other industry projects that are far more impressive than this capeshit series. Kevin Lerdwichagul is also an experienced producer that made deals with big companies before Murder Drones. They are indie but not amateurs.
>COOMBAIT MAIN CHARACTER
I agree with everything else you said about Amazing Digital Schlock, but Pomni being "coombait" is not true, people just turned an extremely non-sexual design into an objectified thing.
>extremely non-sexual design
thats an aspect of the show i really enjoyed, the designs weren't sexual at all, i found it to be wholesome. anyone who sees pomni's design as coombait is probably they themselves a coombrain.
Your understanding of artwork is extremely superficial. Decades of development went into Hazbin Hotel and the artwork draws upon all kinds of things.
And your idea of quality is just more franchise entries?
Guy was cool. He spoke the unfiltered truth and pissed c**ts off so much that they shitposted under his name to make his points lose credibility. I miss Guy. The original one.
Bob Mob Rise Up!
>X-Men 97'
Get a better comparison moron. People are getting sick of superhero trash.
Diffance is that X-Men'97's viewer count of 4 million is legit, Digital Circus on the other hand is rigged.
Also.
>X-Men'97 is 10% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
>Studio Mir only did 1 episode and it's the worst looking and moving episode of the batch, even Rough Draft Korea is light years better then this and they fricking suck ass.
>Digital Circus on the other hand is 2% on Rotten Tomatoes.
what prompt did you use for this post?
you tell me homosexual
Reminder that these numbers are rigged and it's extremely easy to rig YouTube's viewer count.
Then why isn't anyone else cracking 100mil
There were the same discourse about indie games when Undertale became extremely popular months after his release.
We are now accustomed to popular indie games. It will be the same for indie animation. Get over it, I'm really happy to what is happening for cartoons/animation.
moronic OP but I'll bite anyway.
Amazing Digital Circus got lucky, I don't know if it was the algorithm that blessed them or not, though it was pretty popular and highly anticipated when the trailer of the pilot launched however, probably due to the fact that GLITCH had another popular indie series under their belt which made it gain attention and Goose already having a big following.
The thing is, YouTube is free, you choose what you want to watch. Anyone can just click on a cartoon and watch it without having to pay for shit. This is a big win for big indie projects, however the major draw back of producing an independent animation is the budget and sometimes time, which is a drawback of animation in general indie or not. Not everyone wants to pay for streaming just to watch some cartoons, and most, not all, but most cartoons that are on TV are either garbage or just plain mediocre.
Like what's even good on Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon anymore? I typically see more new Disney cartoon threads on here than I see new CN or Nicktoon threads.
That's definitely where they're winning. I don't believe there's been a traditional animated show as of recent that's made as much of a cultural splash without the internet's help. Last ones I can think of in a common TV-watching sense were Gravity Falls or Steven Universe.
I'd much rather have independent animators make their dream projects. I don't care about Digital Circus at all, and didn't really like it, but I'll take it over corporate slop.
What is the pic a reference to?
SpeedoSausage's new series.
If I were (You), I'd just make something that appeals to the broadest audience possible and when that goyslop gets popular, I'd use the huge amounts of money made from that to fund my dream project!
WHAT THE ACTUAL FRICK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HOLY SHIT WHAT A DUMBASS THING TO SAY!
Like seriously holy frick are you not aware that Helluva Boss, Hazbin Hotel, and Digital Circus are literally better looking than any cartoon put out in the last 15 years. Like holy shit have you ever even looked at what cartoons have been like for the past 15 years?
Cinemaphile will like to have a word with you.
jjk is a trillion times better then anything western made in the last 20 years.
sorry not sorry.
JJK is just boring fight scenes
Just like Skibidi Toilet episodes
Cinemaphile just doesn't care
Many cartoons are made these days by corporate entities that have neither the talent nor the heart anymore to create worthwhile entertainment. The casual seasonal throwaway efforts by Japan run circles around western shows very often. The actually good anime completely destroys them.
But there are more problems.
CN and other companies have either been too focused on reproducing the same content style from decades ago (a story platform that can produce 60 to sometimes hundreds of episodes) without any story progress. Many corps resist or have not updated to the modern idea linear progressive continuity story telling. Further, they very hesitant to explore certain story topics, and when they do, they often lack the depth of talent and nuance to do so interestingly and adeptly.
Then there is as ugly art style, lazy animation, injecting politics (while lacking good story reasons for doing so), not to mention manipulative politics. Another, albeit smaller point, is they are basically afraid of making anything aesthetically pleasing, for fear of angering feminists and liberals who seem to have a vested interest in not allowing beautiful protagonists.
CN, Disney, Nick, & others enjoyed a monopoly on western entertainment for decades. That is completely gone now. Streaming and the Internet erased most borders and only good content will float. The rest will sink. Nick sacrificed scores of good shows to their golden-cash-cow idol Spongebob, creating little more than a mono-culture.
Disney has been steadily retiring, firing, or just losing the talent that built them. Further the CEO has come out explicitly to state they care more about "political messages" than making entertainment anymore.
CN is an interesting case of steadily shooting themselves in the foot with their Teen Titans Go, & ruining the legacy of Adventure Time. I think ironically that CN is in one of the better positions to recover, but they suffer from many of the same problems as the rest.
because frick them good art allways sticks around one way or another
>this is the reason why CN will never make a good car-
newbie OP to not realize CN stopped making good cartoons after Steven Universe
How does Vivian have her full name on the internet without anyone doxxing her
Because just recently, a few days after they de-banned doxing, the /raid/ sharts got cucked by their new janny.
Dox threads can be permitted "if they deserve it". They're currently seething over the Toby Fox thread getting immediately deleted.
It's always a good day to see soiteens getting btfo.
No my question isn't about Cinemaphile doxxing. How does a creator make sure they arent doxxed while having their name on the internet. I've .Ade sure not to put my name on social media, but I still get scared someone will find my address
you don't. if you're a public figure, you will be doxxed. guess what? if you're in the US and you've ever voted, your full name and address is available publicly. if you have Boomer parents who are obsessed with ancestry websites, all of that information has been already leaked. if people want to find out who you are, they will that information.
the key to being safe is to be a responsible person. don't post things you don't want to be seen on the Internet. even if a website promises something is "private" or "encrypted", it's not. guess what? Cinemaphile isn't Anonymous. Feds have your info and are watching you right now.
she's been doxed before, a couple times actually. most recent time was sometime after scott cawthon got doxed i'm pretty sure.
what the frick did toby fox do? why would they even try to start shit with someone with a fanbase that would swallow their site in an afternoon?
>why would they even try to start shit with someone with a fanbase that would swallow their site in an afternoon?
reminder that the vidya butts spammer on Cinemaphile completely overran their main board like it was nothing.
i don't go on Cinemaphile, is this guy their equivalent of our P-E-R-I-• spammer? because if so then that sounds like an easier site to topple than i expected. they'd probably get washed by lolcow if that's the case.
depends, does your spammer:
>spam threads all day every day for the sole purpose of annoying jannies
>does not bot it, actually sits there and spams himself
>have zero interest in the board besides just that
>result in a 5 minute thread cooldown for new IPs being implemented after going nuclear one day and keeping ~5 spam threads up at any given time
well as far as i'm aware, he does manually fill up the catalog with porn of a certain character and the dox of mods, and sometimes mass replies inside threads with more of that, usually when people mention the character. not the IP shit though lmao that's crazy. the Cinemaphile guy seems crazier than ours then, but either way yeah i get the point being made.
yeah, a day or two after he went nuclear the cooldown for posting from new IPs was implemented. board's cooldown for making a post, 5 minute timer for making a thread.
anyways yeah, the unfunny altchan filled with (actual) children is really easy to topple. infact i wouldnt be surprised if the thread was deleted for that reason, toby's fanbase is fricking feral to a frightening degree. a murder attempt was recently made because someone made the wrong ship.
i don't keep up with other board drama so this is all news to me, thanks for the rundown lol.
and yeah i saw sharty was just 'jak spam and they made an ED clone and realized it was just kids and aslyum patients. hope they grow out of it i guess.
>a murder attempt was recently made because someone made the wrong ship.
has there been another one? the last i remember was the needle cookie but if there's been another i haven't heard of then i honestly wouldn't be surprised.
yeah its the needle cookie.
These people play dolls with wojaks. They're not the brightest.
because unless you're an actual criminal with something to hide, getting doxxed doesn't mean shit. do you think being doxxed means you're going to get murdered or your house is going to get vandalized? LMAO. guess what? if you're doxxed and random people show up to your living place unwanted, you don't answer the door and they usually go away. if they're persistent, you call the cops, and the little shits will leave out of fear.
being doxxed means nothing. JK Rowling has been doxxed for years and even though trannies want to skin her alive, nothing has ever happened to her.
>unless you're an actual criminal with something to hide
What if I am but a lonely Cinemaphile dweller?
then no one cares about you in the first place enough to dox you.
The main reason why there are so many YouTube projects coming out now is because of the animation industry basically collapsing. And almost everyone laying off 90% of their workforce, and said workforce has been out of a job for a year and a half at this point.
Lots of industry people are taking freelance and small time YouTube gigs and are working at places like Glitch now. If the main industry was not in fricking shambles for the last year and a half this would not be that big of an event with so many people releasing youtube short after youtube short.
I have been seeing a lot of this lately. Lots of random YouTube shit having a couple bigger industry names in there, or at least people who had worked on things form Disney and Cartoon Network in them.
There is no point. Any cartoon that was and is made in the times of the internet is garbage.
Homestar Runner will like to have a word with you.
popular so now bad
>tumblrtards
Remember tumblrtard are riggers their cartoons don't sell and only money laundering.
The Amazing Digital Circus is better than Xmen ‘97.
This is your brain on e-slop
>t.
Indie shit killed the cartoon industry but it wasn't the first issue, the root of all this garbage ares the same companies that refused to make good content and forced these morons to make a group with their friends, buy some gamerPCs and make their own cancerous animations, blame the industry
these are both true.
I quit the industry more than 5 years ago and I feel like a genius because I could see this all coming. I feel sorry for artists but if they have skills they will pivot. the employees who get preferred treatment are absolutely fricked though because they've had easy mode and now its over
>skibidi toilet, which is an even bigger insult
It's better than Digital Circus though. And it's an actual series not a pilot.
>shilling industry cartoons because people have other options they can watch for free
Oh no, how terrible.
I'm not giving $20 a month to some streaming industry.
Animation is doomed.
We need to go back to quality, non-corporate commercial products like Masters of the Universe.
GEN ALPHA CARTOONS SUCK
>Newgrounds is a shell of its former self and never really made it big despite being THE site for web cartoons
More proof we live in the bad timeline.
space king space king space king space king space king frick cartoon network they haven't made a good cartoon since the 2000s.
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>Wahh wahh boo boo ga ga!! Why isn't paying attention to my favorite capeshit??!
Vivziepop is the worst thing to happen to animation in a while, and people should come around to realizing that soon. She had the same demographic in her audience who like FNAF-theory crafting. But then after 4 years they got a mediocre product.
Having a war with Heaven in Season 1 would be like any other show jumping to the final arc immediately.
I don’t have a problem with TADC, I just wish Murder Drones could have been as popular.
Why the frick would you want Murder Drones to be as popular as TADC? It's at a good place popularity-wise, it doesn't need hundreds of millions of views from children and it avoids being raped by content farms.
Plus it's kino, it doesn't deserve to be ruined by viral status.
TADC's viewer count is rigged, this was brought up multiple times.
Explain this more please.
Is it because the creator's a troony so YouTube is helping?
No, far from it.
This. A good show being somewhat niche but being popular enough to be successful with a dedicated viewership is infinitely preferrable to having viral status. Continuing with Murder Drones as an example, it still brings in tens of millions of views and makes enough money purely through merch sales to continuously increase production quality and scale with each episode. It's in a good spot that I'm sure Liam Vickers is happy with, it's 10x more popular than any of his previous work.
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>murderdrones
>good
I am a simple man....
>what is even the point in making new good cartoons
There haven't been any good TV cartoons for over a decade now.
True, 7D and Lupin III Parts 4 and 5 were all disappointments at best.
Why is this a bad thing? Being able to create independent cartoons without a braindead producers asking to cut things and add more jokes cause their power-point said on the theme slide 'Man and Food, working together'. Cartoon Network IS the reason Cartoon Network won't make good cartoons, not internet creators.
you're arguing that the cartoons you like as an "adult" aren't as popular as shit created by and for literal children who spend 24/7 on the internet.
So you're admitting that a 'pack of tumblrtards with their brains cooked with FNAF' are better creators than you.
Pretty pathetic attitude mate.
X-men 97 animation is fricking garbage you stupid frick.
Studio Mir is involved, and they're worse then Rough Draft; What did you expect?