What is manga doing that is making it so much more popular in America than American comics? And this isn't a manga vs. comics or MANGA GOOD shitpost; I prefer American comics over manga and I'm genuinely wondering why manga has been so dominant and what can be done to make comics popular again.
>"Where do I start with [thing]?"
>"Issue #1."
>"Thanks."
Not an argument, as 90% of comics already do this.
Also not an argument as I've read plenty of manga that shit all over everything
see my first comment. not an argument.
not an argument. I've read plenty of comics that are a wide range of genres
The true reason is that getting into comic books is an expensive hobby that you won't know you'll like or hate until there's a gaping hole in your wallet.
>as 90% of comics already do this.
Ah, so someone who wants to read Spider-Man starts in the 60s, does he?
Golgo 13 has over 200 volumes with over 600 chapters.
Lick my taint, thirdie b***h.
yeah, and its all written by one person
And it's all done in the same continuity. You don't jump from one "run" to another, or avoid certain runs by certain authors. You pick up volume 1 and start reading until you reach volume 200.
>You pick up volume 1 and start reading until you reach volume 200.
And the same goes for 90% of comics out there, moronic shitskins.
in just one year, amazing spider-man has changed writers 8 times
>so someone who wants to read Spider-Man starts in the 60s, does he?
They should tbh.
the anon is moronic for recommending anyone start at issue 1 of 99% of superhero comics, but spider-man is legitimately great to start at 1 to like 150
not that anon, but avengers, f4, doctor strange are all decent enough to start at #1, if I remember
Which number one do you start with anon?
any of them. If you don't like it, read something else. Same with manga.
You clearly don’t know much about comics. Not even 10% of comics out there do this.
>Not even 10% of comics out there do this.
Marvel and DC are the most well known, but they are not the majority.
I know this because I actually read comics. All your preconceived information about comics come from Marvel and DC, because you're a dirty third-world fricker who can only discuss things when it's in a "us vs. them" mentality.
Indie comics do this too. The only exceptions are if it’s a short one and done story. But the minute a comic story becomes even slightly long, someone else wants a piece of the pie and it shits the bed
Even in capeshit with crossovers, you aren't obligated to read the tie-in issues. Most will have recap pages and editor notes for details you may not be aware of.
Personally, I really enjoy that the big 2 have massive sprawling universes. It's rewarding to get invested in because it's such a bottomless well of characters and story beats to discover. Sure you get writers that adapt things differently than their predecessors, but that can just as well be a good thing (for example, the current Moon Knight run which gracefully adapts stuff from the unpopular runs like Diatrice and the Shadow Council instead of just pretending like the Bemis and Kavanaugh runs never happened)
Where do I start with Fate homosexual?
Issue 1.
Duh.
So 40k is actually mainstream now?
No, it's just pricey. If it goes to 75% off, the local players are going to wipe the shelves clean.
Lol no. 75% off is fricking nuts though, I’d have cleaned those shelves off myself
75% off is cheaper than chinese recasters.
Even if they don't want the model in question they can resell it for a profit.
Warhammer suffers from the same problems as mainstream western comics which is that they want you to pay 6 bucks for 18 pages of comic while manga offers a whole volume for 20 bucks. Warhammer is like "you want to get started with an imperial knights army? Well here's your commander and your codex that'll be 250 dollaridoos". Like that shit would be kids mowing lawns all summer to make, and kids don't mow lawns where I live anymore because there's a zilennial my brother went to highschool with who got his friends together and started a business mowing lawns and they compete with the eternal mexican landscaper. So basically how the frick is a kid gonna afford warhams? They don't that's how. Warhammer is so fricking inflated that the prices would have been 2x from where they were 10 years ago even without massive inflation, the only thing that coincidentally changed is that many low-tier wagie jobs have raised wages 10-25% because of the inflation and everything else costs more. Until GW has a fricking Sam's club where you pay 20 bucks a month to get 50% off on warhammer models they'll always be lowballing their sales because they think their audience should be 50yo grognards who have been playing since the 1980s instead of teen boys (the original audience).
homie the point of warhammer is buying one kit a month to paint and build.
You don't drop everything on one army.
lies, you are supposed keep switching armies halfway through
Actually GW want you to have an assorted mini collection that never constitutes a full army.
I literally said in my post
>one imperial knight commander and one codex
>250 bucks please
>Let me just pick the big stompy robot faction that uses 3 models MAX
It is actually about 100 dollars cheaper to buy the 'combat patrol' or 'elimination maniple' box sets than to buy all these units individually so you'd be moronic to buy each box separately when you can get a 100 dollar discount, so the point stands regardless of what army you're buying for. And shit is still too expensive because it's fricking plastic resin army men for a board game.
It's a fricking Hobby anon. You're not buying something cheap to just throw around a table, you're suppose to actually ENJOY building and painting them.
>you're not supposed to enjoy the game, you're supposed to buy more and more merchandise, that's the real hobby
No, you're supposed to buy the minis you like and enjoy them to the fullest.
I wanted to get into Warhammer, until I saw the Mecahnicus models. Just imaging painting those gives me a headache.
meanwhile all of us 3Dchads just cost us 15 a army
Just like Marvel and DC, 40k is just an IP farm, the video games, toys and novels make more money than the miniatures.
You do know GW are a publically traded company and give us a direct breakdown on shit right?
GW still earns almost all their money from the minis, TWW earned them less than the specialist games did last year for example.
>asiatic vs mutt thread
everyone above and below me is a homosexual
It's "nips" not "asiatics". Stupid Amerifat.
Do they have any good concept art books? I love that shit
You mean manga or warhammer? The answer for both is yes.
Surprised there's any warhammer left, that stuff can be really expensive.
Sometimes the rules for some models are so bad you couldn't give them away. The Tyranid Pyrovore was like that when it came out. It was fragile, a slow-moving melee/flamer unit that exploded when it died, which meant it killed allied units standing next to it. It usually never got into close combat, but if it did, it had a weapon that ignored armor but only did one attack or something ridiculous. It was competing at the time with the same slot you needed for Hive Guard, which were the only good anti-armor units in the whole Tyranid codex.
Honestly I sometimes don't know what the frick 40k's rules writers are smoking. It was a brand new model, and one they had a model for on launch, but they sabotaged it and honestly the whole Tyranid faction, but the Pyrovore was legendarily moronic.
Guy two posts above me is a bigger homosexual
What’s wrong with concept art?
we don't sign our posts here
Floppies are fricking awful value and you get more bang for your buck with manga.
$4 for 22 pages with ads, or $8 for 170 pages of content with no ads? Easy call.
I feel like the world of One Piece of manga could do like separate difference types of series with multiple different types protagonists like Marvel or DC comics.
>i feel like One Piece can prostitute itself out and destroy its own value by doing what American comics have been doing
KYS
>Manga
>Tells a story
>Comics
>Shits all over the floor for the past 20+ years
I got this old idea about like 5 or 10 years a you plan series of books setting around like Avengers spider people or X-Men with the outline of events find out in advance and then I deal up how the civilian seed the people at the beginning in the middle I need the final event of the continuity.
This is a copy of it.
A 5 to 10 year AU series of X-men base comics. With metaphors to the black civil rights movement a the start geting to the modern-day bigotry problems in the end. Where the mutants live quality get better. From being legally discriminated against to stoping hate groups hated by the law. The other superheroes can be the non-black people in the civil rights.
Non cape books exist
Other publishers exist
Toonami was a mistake
We let you have room here and you backstab us every other day
Go frick yourself
report the fricking thread.
>None cape books exist
yes, and they are either in French or obscure or worse than capeshit.
I've been wanting a good fantasy series for ages and they simply do not exist.
what have you read?
Nothing, I literally cannot find anything in stores, that is my issue right now.
anglo comics aren't really into fantasy, not like the french who absolutely eat them up
[spoilers]the best fantasy comics are all webcomics[/spoiler]
Order of the Stick
I said comic, not a fricking Novel.
It's a with comic based on basically fantasy world concept of role-player game not a novel.
I know what Order of the Stick is, it's a Webcomic and it has a frickton of wordy paragraphs.
I'd hardly call Dark Horse and the like "obscure"
I would hardly call them good or new comics either.
Hellboy, Beasts of Burden, Usagi Yojimbo, peak Alien vs Predator, The Mask, The Goon, etc
None of them are new comics. And none of them are in stores besides collection books.
It's sort of telling you need to bring up comics that are finished and old to try and justify even buying western comics.
Honestly, Dark Horse doesn't do it for me these days
I've been mostly reading other publishers
Is the comic itself as pretty as the cover?
>Non cape books exist
>Other publishers exist
Not in stores. If you want non cape shit you have to hunt it down online
>Not in stores. If you want non cape shit you have to hunt it down online
Bruh, I can find plenty at my LCS'
>Toonami was a mistake
>We let you have room here and you backstab us every other day
>Go frick yourself
Toonami has the most active threads on this board every week. We have even more activity that a Rick and Morty premier. This board would be dead without us
Slow boards = Better boards
All you contribute is noise.
>This board would be dead without us
Yes and Cinemaphile would be a lot more active if you take away the e-celebs
half of those Toonami threads are just image dumping.
You guys are like the lowest tier of weebs; ones still watching dubbed anime everyone already watched subbed 8 years ago on cable. You are below 12 year olds in 2001 with Kazaa.
>You guys are like the lowest tier of weebs; ones still watching dubbed anime everyone already watched subbed 8 years ago on cable. You are below 12 year olds in 2001 with Kazaa.
They just wanna remember the good old days back in 1995 when they watched Akira dubbed on MTV when they were 15 at 2 AM on a friday night with their friends, man.
Manga appeals to horny nerds, laymen, and morons much better. It also has the benefit of never being sold as a floppy.
Comics are dominated by capeslop, which is super unappealing and daunting to the uninitiated. Yes, you can start anywhere, but people don't know or see it that way. And yes, there are comics other than capeshit, but they don't get around as much.
This. Toonami needs to go.
Manga is easier to pick up and tends to have an ending with one main writer involved.
Comics (which at this point most just view as capeshit big 2 stuff) is a gordion knot of shit with multiple reboots, crossovers, and a bunch of other shit that comes off as intimidating for anyone wanting to start. That and western comics have become more pozzed of late
>Manga is easier to pick up and tends to have an ending with one main writer involved.
It's not that hard to pick up a Marvel comic, DC is the one that is a confusing mess ever since the "everything is canon" , the actual problem is how every writer will change the main character personality and even the tone of the story, if you love Stan Lee Spider-Man you will probably hate Slott run.
Which is why I mentioned one main writer. Capeshit has too much clash with multiple writers throwing shit around
>hurr this is just a dc problem
what nonsense
The everything is canon fricked up DC, they should just give up pretending there is story progression and make their runs fully contained, not even mention the previous runs.
That is indeed a big problem, but the problem of potential new readers not knowing what to read existed long before then. It's just gotten worse recently.
>It's not that hard to pick up a Marvel comic
>"Where do I start with [manga]?"
>"Volume 1"
>"Where do I start with [comic]?"
>"Well, you want to start with the Dickbutt arc, but skip the issues 3534 to 3539, but then you want to read issues 125 to 134 of [totally different fricking comic], and then..."
>where do I start with comics
>Wherever you want
>"Where do I start with [comic]?"
>See this issue with the bad artstyle? Read 40 issues of this and then read POOP with a worse artstyle and character redesigns....
Manga wins because usually one artist is involved with consistent drawings.
MONHANAGAHOOGS
The problem is that nobody fricking wants to "pick up a Marvel comic". They want to read a story from the beginning. That's a big reason Ultimate Spider-man was such a runaway success: It was a complete reboot that openly threw out everything that came before and told Spider-man's story from the beginning as a linear narrative (until it became TOO successful for its own good and started falling into the normal trappings of Marvel).
You seriously underestimate how little explanation you can give to a normalgay before they lose interest in what you're saying, even if it peaked their interest.
No,he's right. I've been hearing Batman stories and Batman cartoons for as long as I can remember. The only reason I read the Dark Knight is because a friend insisted it was a good comic and hyped up the story elements he liked. There are two comic companies that the same IP over and over and they really aren't trying to sell anything else. That's also why Iceman or whoever winds up being handed the torch for any modern subject even if it doesn't fit well.
There's so many offshoots, and tons of "jock strap incident" comics with "to find out about THAT, check out some other title!" in a blurb box, or a series just abruptly giving you a "to be continued in this other title you've been avoiding cuz the artist sucks nuts!". Marvel's been the biggest offender...there's so many titles and crossovers...too many to count
I read both comics and manga and from my perspective comics feel too... creatively sterile? Idk how to explain it, but when I pick up a new indie title I just see that it's made by a try-hard who fricking hates comic books and just writes it only because he wasn't able to turn his story into a TV series or film. Does anyone else has this feel? Like the story wasn't supposed to be a comic, but was adapted from a screenplay or whatever the frick.
Also a lot of indies are one trick ponies. Like, the writer comes up with some absolutely batshit insane idea that can make a good single chapter, but they drug it into a mini, or worse, an ongoing.
I know what you mean and I see that stuff in video games as well. Video game "writing" is full of failed novelists and screenwriters.
No, it's full of people who don't care about the script of the product they're selling. Even when games hire writers who should be competent, they still manage to frick it up. For a game to have a good story it needs to luck into a director or producer with a vision.
Yeah that's happens when you read too many Image comics kek.
Problem in this board is that it's literally full of boomers who still think Marvel / DC / Image / Darkhorse are the only comic companies in the planet when the market is basically either schoolastics or indies.
The issue is many comics like Francobelgian comics are a pain to get imported even to places like Bongland, and often never translated or take forever to be translated.
I'm the biggest euroboo itt and I'll tell you BDs are overhyped and suffer from massive navel-gazing problems too, and that's frankly the N°1 reason few bds are breaking the language barrier. They've spent the last 15 years catering to already established demographics.
But it's really pointless to talk comics here. Every poster is a weeb troll, a capeshit boomer or an idiot who only knows comics from twitter & movies
Go to /shelf/ or reddit, this board is only good for cartoons.
Image comics: Started out all about pouches, guns, and breasts... turned into b***hes, gays, and netflix pitches.
>At store
>Want to flip through comic to see if I want to buy it
>It's shrink wrapped in plastic
Oh gee, I fricking wonder why nobody wants to buy comic books & visual novels in 2023.
>another east v west thread
GEE I HOPE ANONS ITT WILL REPORT OP AND NOT SPEND 300 TO 500 ARGUING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SAME 3 WEEB TROLLS AGAIN
Gotta do something while we wait for Saturday for the Toonami threads
Even worse, it's not just a east versus west thread but a comics vs manga vs Warhammer thread.
You think if I offered to take their comic stock off their hands for no money they'd give it to me?
>doesn’t pander to nogs and troons
>doesn’t take political stances
>doesn’t shame me for being white
>doesn’t cost $5 for a floppy you can only purchase in specific comic stores
Do I need to continue?
’t take political stances
Yes it does, just not in your face about it. Like you can tell what Kishimoto thinks about Japanese War crimes given how he handles Orochimaru and Kabuto.
Considering how china act nowadays. They weren't treated harsh enough.
Manga is made for a healthy market based off reader interest. creators actually need to make things people like
Comics have been on life support for decades and are only being held up because they're owned by bigger corporations so creators are just there because the brands they write for
>creators actually need to make things people like
This. Does anyone actually LIKE modern comics? I sure as frick don't.
You know you have a problem when you have to ask for an entire character's appearance in order.
It doesn't matter for kids. They don't have any nostalgia homosexualry. Their first comic media was manga. And then it just became their home. They won't change it like you.
Manga
>Sports stories
>Slice of life
>Comedy
>Drama
>Sci Fi
>Fantasy
Comics
>Superhero homosexualry
Also I don't see how having multiple connected stories is a problem. And having a long continuity. Like, Star Wars EU was pretty popular back then, and also WH40K books have a long continuity yet it still has it devoted fans and both verses sell alright for its niche. Needs love their convoluted lore and long, connected storylines. So why comics are different? Sometimes it's cool reading, say, a Batman book, then reading a Supes book and knowing that their stories are connected.
I can list some more examples of verses and universes where lore and continuity is a shit pile that requires maximum dedication from the most try hard needs, but this shit sells like hot cakes. Elder Scrolls lore is very extensive and good luck getting in it, especially CHIM shit on the fly. Yet millions of players dedicate their time to read all in game books and complete every moronic quest even though it's really complicated to get the right footing and know where to look for more info.
Star Wars and 40k often do not follow singular characters for long periods of time and are often specific one track books about particular events.
Superhero comics are basically the same story told over and over and over again.
Yes, like Darth fricking Vader who had a gazillion of books and comics dedicates to him and good luck figuring out how it all connects to OT. This motherfricker gets more shit done in a single day that most people in do in their lives. Like, OT character have so much books that their original adventures feel like a drop into the sea of constant battles and mysteries they experienced in EU.
>Like, Star Wars EU was pretty popular back then
But you were never expected to know what was in whatever book to know what was happening in the movie.
Plus those books are usually pretty contained to the book itself or its series.
When I read Curse of the Azure Bonds as a teen it didn't expect me to know all sorts of shit about the Forgotten Realms.
Star wars is different. In EU, for example, you didn't have a gazillion fricking runs with a billion 'alternate universes', you had stuff like 'Dark Empire' where it was one specific storyline that went from beginning to end.
Comics are capeshit or nothing. I could fill a post for all the topics manga has a series for
>but stores don’t carry that niche stuff
B&N carries a massive variety. I’d assume a dedicated comic shop is carrying a decent spread as well
Modern comics just feels like everything is filler. The need to keep popular IPs continuously in publication for 60+ years along with comics constantly changing writers means nothing matters. If a character dies, they'll be back to life after the writer changes. If there's serious character development for a character, it will be undone after the writer changes. If there's a massive change to the status quo, it will be undone after the writer changes.
Unless you make a character gay, that usually sticks.
>Modern comics just feels like everything is filler
Yeah. Like we're in the filler arc for an end that will never arrive.
This. Comics are a money pit where you never will find the end. The vast majority of manga feels like it’s at least trying to reach a conclusion some day. Shit like One Piece that survive for 20+ years are outliers
Again, just read creator owned
>this board would be dead without us
You show up only once a week for Toonami
I'd rather this board be slower without you parasites shitting it up
Come here for comics and cartoons or frick off
You're no better than the politics shitters at Cinemaphile and here
>Again, just read creator owned
It's shit too, but for all the different reasons.
I would love to see a crossover between one piece and everyone in Gotham.
I'm figured usop and penguin funny guys with long noses who can be deceptively dangerous.
Nami and Catwoman Catwoman shipping with Luffy.
Jokers trying to track down Luffy for actually make it Batman laugh one kiss.
What else could we do?
>pick up comic
>it’s like 15 pages of toilet paper
>at least 2-3 of them are ads
>$5.99 plus tip
>pic up manga volume
>it’s an actual book thickness
>price varies from $8-$15 depending on thickness and color pages
Even at 75% off comics arent worth it
>75% off for warhammer
Glory for the Emperor
>post number doubled
>ips didn't
jezzus frick try to be less obvious
I can never understand these images. No business will have empty shelves, once they notice the increase in sells they would buy more stocks.
When my parents had a store, the lack of items on a shelf mean that it's not selling.
Are you too stupid to read? The image clearly states the store is closing and liquidating what’s left
Because it has cartoons
What are European bros reading?
I'm from EU, but I'm living under a rock, the frick is the mojo around here?
warhammer you say?
Weebs have lower standards. The only qualifier they look for is, "is it Japanese?" Once that box is checked they squeal and oink and open their wallets.
So you're saying all those comics on the wall are shit and arent even worth it at 75% off?
With floppies being 50% ads? Yeah. I seriously don't understand how the floppy system is still a thing. I can't wait for it to die out like Dickens' way of publishing books chapter by chapter in a newspaper died out.
>With floppies being 50% ads?
What books are you reading?
mangashitters don't read comics, silly. They just parrot what other mangashitters told them on youtube.
What is hard to understand that the baby boomers, gen x and the millennials making comes are awful writers.
writing manga in the OP should be autoban.
You will never be a moderator.
>entire thread is discussing western comics
>this b***h comes in 80 posts later to complain that someone said "manga"
It's tourists who don't read comics talking about western comics and pretending to know them like the back of their hand
Lets face it, a Cinemaphile without East vs West period would be a much better board
Cinemaphile doesn't put up with this shit, why should we?
I'm a tourist that doesn't read comics (that often at least). I used to watch cartoons for the most part. Are you mentally moronic? You comprehend that this board is also about carto0ons and some people could exclusively focus on that, right?
>Thinking cartoongays like east vs west
>dialectical thinking
ngmi
>HEY goiz why aren't comics like my Heccin BASED Japanese Animez
>repeat ad infinitum
Ever wonder why so many boards despise you fricks? oh wait, that would require a single moment of self reflection in your lives.
I don't watch tranime or read manga and never will.
How is your mind even working to assume that? There were no hints... take it slower man.
Cinemaphile is pretty garbage board in general. They only talk about the about new shows of the season, nobody brings up old classics or hidden gems of the past. It not like modern anime is something to be proud of watching. It just dumb fun shows.
Let me guess, they trashed your request thread
You guessed wrong. I haven't made a thread in years. I know where to ask for requests.
At least they have fun
At least they bother discussing stuff they like
newbies on Cinemaphile just talk about politics or culture war crap
You shouldn't expect Cinemaphile to spoonfeed you
I enjoyed comics literally the second I stopped listening to Cinemaphile and went out and founds stuff on my own volition
Wasn't even that hard, you just need basic level curiosity
>You shouldn't expect Cinemaphile to spoonfeed you
No, but I should expect my local comic scene to have a better selection, fact is Comics ARE dominated by shitty selections and recycling of ideas and the Franco-belgian idea of comics as a medium is very much tied to France and Belgium.
Okay, yeah I'll give you that
The problem with the direct market is that it's a vicious cycle dominated by aging capeshitters
It was a miracle Saga became as popular as it did but even BKV still had history with capeshit prior to that
There have been attempts to branch out and get new blood and different tastes on board but they hardly impact the fact that the vast majority of paying customers ARE capeshitters
Don't get me started on licenseshitters, they're fricking useless
The sad part is even when they do try shit, like the guy who did Luthor Strode now working for Marvel, it's STILL the same recycled shit over and over.
His Strange book is literally "Whoa, Strange is without his memories in a wacky mindscape.. AGAIN"
I just fricking want a resurgence of genre
I know they exist but I want a full blown surge until we're sick of a genre
We had sci-fi in the 2010's, we're now in horror
I just want a surge for fricking everything else
Stuff like Fire Power shouldn't be my only notable option (that I know of) for a current martial arts comic that isn't Marvel/DC
>nobody brings up old classics or hidden gems of the past.
I see threads for old shows on a regular basis. You probably don't recognize them because you've only seen 10 anime in your whole life.
You mean stuff from the 80s and 70s?
he wouldn't have this issue if he read manga, there are constant storytimes
Storytime means nothing to me and it mostly what is popular today. I want threads about Space Cobra and 3x3 Eyes.
>and it mostly what is popular today
there's a literal gunnm storytime running right now you dirty casual
So make them. It's not hard. Don't be surprised when you get like 10 people to reply to your thread, though. You'd have better luck starting a broader thread for 80s and 90s anime, which I have seen also on Cinemaphile from time to time, usually called something like "80s anime thread". You still will probably not get many people who have seen specifically the shows you want to talk about but your thread is more likely to get a few hundred replies before it dies.
>usually called something like "80s anime thread"
Believe it's called "pre-2000s anime"
I mean stuff that is at least 15+ years old. Cinemaphile does mostly focus on what is new, because there is a ton of new stuff to talk about. If you spend most of your time on Cinemaphile you probably have a hard time imagining the sheer volume of new releases Cinemaphile deals with on a daily basis. The board can only fit so many threads on it at a time, so naturally most of them are going to be focused on recent stuff. But even so, I open the catalogue and and I can spot 2 to 3 threads right now dealing with series more than 15 years old. A lot of them are manga, but I see one that is anime from 2002.
Yep. Manga storytimes are ubiquitous, often for series that are at least a decade old.
Anon, let me give you a little hint.
People would read comics if they could find ones that appeal to them. The last storytime on Cinemaphile I actually enjoyed was UltraMega.
>Cinemaphile doesn't put up with this shit, why should we?
Because Cinemaphile is nothing like Cinemaphile. This place needs off topic posts to avoid being totally dead, whereas Cinemaphile has so much new stuff to talk about there's no excuse for being off topic. There's 50+ new anime every season, plus all the long-running series, then you have dozens of different manga series releasing new chapters all the time, plus the translations for those chapters. Then you have movies, and speculation over announced projects, and a few threads for older series. Cinemaphile's a constant churn of new content. Cinemaphile's new content is pretty sparse, so to stay on topic there need to be a bunch of circlejerk nostalgia threads for decade+ old cartoons, plus general superhero threads, a few web comic threads, but even this wouldn't fill the board to capacity and you'd have some threads lingering here for months, probably.
So Cinemaphile has shitty "deathmatch" threads, it has east vs west threads, it has live action superhero movie/TV threads, it has twitter screencap bait threads, thinly veiled culture war threads, image dump fetish threads, etc. None of these would be tolerated if Cinemaphile was moderated like Cinemaphile, but Cinemaphile isn't moderated like Cinemaphile because it doesn't have Cinemaphile's content stream. Without these threads Cinemaphile would move at maybe 1/3 its current pace, which is already 1/3 of Cinemaphile's pace.
>Without these threads Cinemaphile would move at maybe 1/3 its current pace, which is already 1/3 of Cinemaphile's pace.
you say that as if that'd be a bad thing
I'd rather have this board be slow as molasses than be filled with tourists
You say that now, but you'd probably end up getting bored and abandoning the board once it stops being a constant dopamine feed of new posts and content. It's why dead boards tend to stay dead.
dude, I post on /m/, /toy/, and Cinemaphile
I can handle and appreciate a slow board
>You say that now,
Man, I'm a fricking grayhair who remembers when Cinemaphile could still link to mogulous. Shit was better when we weren't the dumping ground of Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile and fricking /misc/.
>Longer lasting storytime threads
>Threads about niche comics and cartoons don't die immediately
>Board growth naturally through people of actual interest and instead of politics
Yeah, a slow Cinemaphile is a better Cinemaphile
You say that, but Cinemaphile was WAAAAY more popular back in 2012/2013, literally 3-4x the traffic it has today, and it was also much better than it is today.
Comics industry was healthier back then (not great, but definitely better than now) and there were also WAY more cartoons to talk about.
>and there were also WAY more cartoons to talk about.
More like there were more cartoons WORTH talking about.
There are still quite a few cartoons out now, it's just that most of them are uninteresting.
That and people who would have been teens and tweens in 2012 are grown ass adults in their mid-late 20s now, and they probably grew out of comics and cartoons outside of a few of the adult-oriented ones.
>There are still quite a few cartoons out now, it's just that most of them are uninteresting.
Anon, do you really think current Cinemaphile would discuss Gumball the same way 2010's Cinemaphile would?
Or Adventure Time and Regular Show before they became more plot focused?
>Anon, do you really think current Cinemaphile would discuss Gumball the same way 2010's Cinemaphile would?
>Or Adventure Time and Regular Show before they became more plot focused?
Yes.
I know this because current Cinemaphile still regularly discusses these shows to this day.
>I know this because current Cinemaphile still regularly discusses these shows to this day.
Out of seniority
Current Cinemaphile would never discover Wakfu if it came out today
Sure they would, people talk about Lastman.
The issue is that the current comic and cartoon industries have spent the last 7 years driving people away to other mediums, so it's no wonder that a board like Cinemaphile has way fewer people who care to discuss things.
A lot of the people here just come here out of habit at this point.
>Comics industry was healthier back then (not great, but definitely better than now)
It's better now for creator owned than it was in the early 2010's actually
>WAY more cartoons
The amount itself hasn't changed
What has changed is the general interest in them
Cinemaphile is allergic to discussing non loreshit cartoons now
I hope you break your back in real life.
>off topic threads should be banned
>NOOOOO STOP RUINING MY FUN
ywnbam
Hey man, Nemesis is a guilty pleasure
Unironically though "Illustrated Holocaust memoirs" is the gayest shit and like
said are worse than capeshit. I don't give a shit about you turning your homosexual diary about being a political prisoner because your turned into a dyke Black person troony after fricking chad in a love triangle that is the crux of snapping years of daddy issues once and for all in some queer ass Cal Arts style.
It's like Werewolf Jones said "AND FRICKING SCOTT PILGRIM"
I don't give a FRICK about your slice of life homosexual shit, get out of the industry.
Aw dude I fricking love reddit too, you guys see CuckHistorys video on it too? So epic, someone post the Jack Kirby pic next because Ennis totally meant Kirby and not the modern people in charge of publishing when he wrote the Boys.
>Unironically defending Ennis the supreme cuckold
This is the guy who thinks writing a dog that fricks on command is high art.
>This is the guy who thinks writing a dog that fricks on command is high art.
Spoken like a gay who doesn't understand bantz. Ennis isn't making that as "high art."
>So epic, someone post the Jack Kirby pic next because Ennis totally meant Kirby and not the modern people in charge of publishing when he wrote the Boys.
He did, he also has a really big hate boner for Captain Marvel (DC)
Maus, of course.
I've read that.
Maus is good.
Memoirs written by women are boring as frick, though.
I would unironically read that over generic shonenshit
>something mature and serious
>posts genre fictions
*laughs in Cinemaphile*
>Books
>Mature and Serious
>bluray remastered brain//war ova: never
The description of Brain/Wars is closer to The Boys than "What if Superheroes Said Frick?", which is how people are likely to describe it.
If only The Boys had some seinen manga art, I think a lot more people would love it.
Frick off Ennis you dumb c**t.
See what I mean?
The Boys is literally Ennis channeling his little Armycuck voice through a Superhero Parody.
It is 100% just "Superheroes who say frick" there is no highbrow or mature themes behind it.
Thanks for further proving my point.
>No argument against my statement
Yeah slink off back you Ennis-grape guzzler.
If Ennis wanted to explore super-abilities used in the Military he could have done that.
Instead he just has superheroes who say frick.
Again, thank you for proving my point.
You're just regurgitating exactly what I said you would, ignoring most of the comic, because frick reading, right?
>Ignoring most of the comic
Oh am I? The themes of how bad superheroes are brought up only sparingly and make no sense: How would flying soldiers NOT be a massive asset to the US military?
The best themes arguably that The Boys actually presents is Gaslighting and how one person can be tortured and turned into the thing you want via constantly controlling everything as they do with Homelander, and even then that's dropped like a sack of potatos.
The Boys is literally just your typical Ennis low brow shit.
You're missing the biggest chunk of the comic, for some reason.
Oh? Is there a massive chunk of the comic I suddenly missed? Because that is all the comic does when it comes to exploring themes. you have
>Natural sociopathy in Billy vs a gaslight created sociopath Homelander
>Corporate Greed treating people like items to sell
>The Military using people as test subjects and killing citizens to get what it wants
And the Comic doesn't explore these themes very deeply.
Yeah, the whole comic is a constant tug-of-war between the US government and Vought American. All that other stuff is in service to this.
I do. This isn't Cinemaphile, so in saying seinen art, people here won't drag in their pedantry. It should bring to mind shit like Berserk and other high-detail art with a lot of blood and violence.
Sometimes you have to say it the stupid way.
>seinen = berserk
This is just so fricking stupid
Berserk is a seinen, you absolute fricking moron.
Saying "it has to be like berserk to be seinen" is fricking stupid, you fricking mongoloid.
Yeah, I said that.
No, it's practically the whole comic and its raison d'etre.
Just curious, are you a manga reader, a comics reader, both, or neither?
>The whole comic
No, like two or three panels talking about it are, the story is about Billy and his Sociopathic rampage that is sanctioned by the US.
You're trying to put words in Ennis's mouth.
>it should bring to mind shit like Berserk and other high-detail art
Which is completely wrong. It's not "pedantry" to point out you're using a term in a completely nonsensical way. This is like saying if it doesn't have 3 panels it's not a real web comic or something.
Not to you because you read manga. People here don't. They don't know it's only a demographic.
You should really know better considering you're in an East vs West thread that it's a common misconception.
It's only a misconception because of people like you who insist on using it incorrectly. You're basically training people to be ignoramuses who are incapable of communicating outside their own, ignorant in-group by refusing to use correct terminology.
>You're basically training people to be ignoramuses who are incapable of communicating outside their own, ignorant in-group
So, Cinemaphile's comic threads, basically. I don't use the term "xenophobic" often but it really describes the attitude I see on Cinemaphile, and on Cinemaphile, toward anything non-American. They don't WANT to learn more about how Japan does stuff, they have a bile-spitting hatred for anything that isn't American.
What's Ironic is good comic artists like James Stokoe have clear manga artist influences.
If you point this out you get a sea of people screaming about how, because anime back in the 1960s borrowed from Disney, it doesn't count. Somehow.
It's like they see them in direct competiton instead of being the same basic fricking thing.
Like I see people whine about a lack of dynamic movement in comic books, but claim Manga are too "Weeb" in terms of fights.
james stokoe is a treasure.
stokoe needs like 12 assistants, i remember buying orc stain and immediately thinking "this is never going to get finished"
I remember old Go Nagai interviews where American comic artists being interviewed alongside Go Nagai, said they were jealous of what Go Nagai could get away with, in Japan.
Cinemaphile is filled to the brim with weebs
Bruh, we know why manga sells more we just hate people like you who refuse to talk about comics unless its about manga as well
Cinemaphile is also filled with vehement xenophobes who hate anything related to Japan. This is where there's so much shitposting and false flagging on that board, these two groups loathe one another and are forced to coexist.
And I'm not talking about east vs west threads, I mean Cinemaphile in general has this attitude that American comics are inherently superior to every other countries' output and take stubborn pride in their ignorance of what other countries are actually doing.
Cinemaphile also has people who put European stuff on a pedestal and tourists who only read manga
Your point?
You keep trying to create a false equivalence. Cinemaphile is dominated by American-only people who know little or nothing about European or Japanese comics.
>Cinemaphile is also filled with vehement xenophobes who hate anything related to Japan.
Majority are still weebs Anon
Western games rarely ever get good threads going
It's really a non-issue. Using the improper terminology has no bearing on how Cinemaphile perceives a thing. They already hate most of it. I'm merely trying to communicate an idea.
But to avoid this long back-and-forth about nothing, I'll say it right in the next E vs W thread.
These threads only hurt the cause.
>seinen manga art,
lol you have no idea what utter nonsense this phrase is
You dumb mother frick that's like the most generic thing ever written, BUT it's still more profound than the Boys.
No, it's actually quite fitting. Brain/War is The Boys, except The Boys has hideous art.
I don't like The Boys, but people undermine it much more than is deserved.
>two young members of parliament
>cute young pretty anime boys
hey i don't you how to sublimate your homosexuality
Here you go, kid.
Do comic writers really expect their predominantly male fanbase to buy books that insult them for being male?
>wonder woman saying "mansplaining"
Not only that, there was other anon shitting on the adaptation of a LN were all the antagonists are dudes and nobody gives a frick because it is a fun story, in the west even the ones that agree with that things feel ashamed for such corny and dumb writing
the dude is absolutey right tho. Women are more depressed then they ever were when they couldn't vote and were just stay at home house wifes. Nations literallly need men to work hard and having the possiblitity of housewifes is a major factor to that. Creating a whole generation of butch "i don't need no man" women is literally is how a nation crumbles and we are seeing that real time.
Yuck
That's not even mansplaining
I'm going to use the qualifier "generally" a lot.
Manga generally offers a better user experience than American comics.
Manga is generally more cartoony, which makes it more broadly appealing and easier to read visually. There are plenty of manga with more realistic styles, but those tend not to be the best sellers either.
Manga generally has smoother paneling, which makes it easier to read. Once you get over reading from left-to-right, it's very easy to figure out the flow of dialogue balloons. Most manga, from the most mainstream kids titles to the most degenerate porn doujin, share a set of similar paneling strategies and philosophies.
These things are the result of decades-long objective approach to reader reaction. Manga is a product of refinement. Their approach is similar to that of ergonomic researchers for physical products. You keep testing, you find repeatable patterns and wide consensus, and you keep refining. I'm not saying American comics don't do this, but we just don't do it at such a level. We don't have as many unspoken conventions and standards that make the reading experience a consistent one across most titles. Repeatability and consistency are main ingredients to mainstream products.
One thing that people give too much weight to is pricing. Pricing is absolutely a barrier to comics becoming more mainstream, but it's not why comics aren't as popular, because we can see how comics and manga perform against each other without price barriers every day on piracy sites. Now, some of you will say that American publishers actively suppress comic piracy here, but what about foreign countries? Especially countries that don't respect copyright. The results are still the same. Manga beats comics when both are free.
It's very important to separate user experience from viability of content. People around the world love superhero movies, but they still don't read superhero comics. Because the user experience between them is not the same.
>the people who makes this thread every week is actually 1 bloke from the toonami general
It's always a schizo making threads over and over again
report this shit
Mods don't do shit
Why would they do anything? Why are you so terrified to discuss this topic?
Not terror, fatigue.
Fricking this. It's exhausting to have morons spew the same shit, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
>M-M-Mods shouldn't prune obvious troll threads!
Why are weebs so defensive?
Well the entirety of the mainstream American comic business is about Superheroes.
While anime and graphic novel books from foreign countries can be about anything, sci-fi, fantasy, soft core porn. The full Sierra three of genres.
I think people are really tired of superheroes, and that's not even mentioning how the quality of comic books has - so I have heard - fallen in recent years..
Why haven't the mods rangeban your thrid-world ass yet?
>your thrid-world ass yet?
What do you mean third world Japan was clearly on America's side in the Cold War.
So much seething over on topic thread.
>on topic
it's a flamebait thread, and you've been making these threads for years at this point because your existence is so pathetic that you have nothing else going for in your life.
shit like this is on the scrolldown list of reportable actions on Cinemaphile
And it used to be on Cinemaphile, but I guess some butthurt homosexual got it removed.
Stopped reading at you've. I'm not op.
Sure you aren't.
The IP didn't increase when you replied to me the first time, homosexual.
I'm not op, homosexual. I know shit about computers.
Keep saying it. Doesn't make it any more true.
I honestly never cared for supers expect those classic animated tv shows like justice league and Batman the animated series. Supers have never translated well to the live screen for me.
>manga
Boobs
>comics
No boobs
Are we done here?
Zenescope
You are one of the stupidest fricking individuals I've ever seen on this board
It's been done
Scott Pilgrim, Empowered, Sharknife, etc
why not just make western manga?
>be dude
>mango's full of hot chicks and unapologetic fanservice
>be gal
>mango's full of melodrama with pretty boys
>be ethnic
>mango doesn't try cater to ethnics and doesn't try to score brownie points
>be kid
>the adventure starts at #1
Something like this
>What is manga doing that is making it so much more popular in America than American comics?
Appealing to autists. Black people might not buy comics, but autistic people do.
>Black people might not buy comics, but autistic people do.
What if I'm a black autist and the only comics I've ever paid for in my adult life are manga?
Why would you want to pretend being black? Life is hard enough already.
???
I mean at least you got size where it counts and black guys are popular with white girls nowadays.
I can't believe you stole a pencil and piece of paper just for this one post.
Anon, that is clearly a sticky note that was stolen.
How do you feel about kang and black manta being played by black actors? I think it pretty racist.
I'll be honest, I know next to nothing about cape stuff.
The main comics I read are all indie stuff I discovered here and webcomics.
Not so much anymore, since modern webcomics are kind of...ehh, but unfortunately I'm completely ignorant of capes.
Black people love manga
Manga
>Complete story
American comics
>Issue sets up a story premise
>Nothing but filler issues until issue five, where the story gets moving
>more filler issues until issue ten, where the story finally ends
Gee, I wonder why.
This, but also
Manga
>always under the eye of the creator, for better or worse
>most mangakas, even those who make shounen, have the freedom to do whatever he wants for the most part, be it fan service, killing a character, whatever
meanwhile
comics
>decades upon decades of variations of what it means to be canon
>characters sporadically die and return on a whim
>dozens of different writers/artists, all with varying tones
I liked comics as a kid, and I used to try and keep up with them as I got older, but there's such an absurd lake of quality control, blatant capitalism, and a weird slime by a lot of the writers who have an odd disdain for what their working on. Meanwhile I keep up on normie shit like OPM, Vinland Saga, Hajime no Ippo, and my hero academia and love it
why the frick are you here?
to discuss king of the hill
I like cartoons, I hate comics.
Simple as that.
You want some more recs.
sure. I just listed the stuff that I faithfully check out every week/month
Dungeon Meshi, Keyman, Zatch Bell, Kinnikuman, Blue Lock, Planetes, Drifters, Trigun and Maximum, Great Teacher Onizuka, Yukinobu Hoshino stuff, Hero Aca Vigilantes, Blame!, Silver Spoon
weebs and nerds won, it's over
>What is manga doing that is making it so much more popular in America than American comics?
Being good instead of constantly resurrecting childhood characters only to horribly rape them.
The tankoban format giving you a meatier read in an affordable way, simple numbering and the lack of confusing shared continuities, anime that work as direct adaptations as well as advertising the manga, ect.
Despite Superhero movies being insanely popular the films/series seem kind of ashamed of their sources and don't really work as advertisements for anyone who doesn't already read comics while existing readers are bleeding into nothing as quality spirals further and further down the tube.
>seem kind of ashamed of their sources
they kind of should be. sure, you'll have a great run with a fantastic writer, but that's just a drop in the bucket of garbage that is the characters history, with its dozens of separate runs/crossovers
DC and Marvel had a legitimate golden egg drop into their laps thanks to the explosion of superhero movies, and they made absolutely zero effort to legitimize it and turn these characters into a franchise that can naturally progress
I don't think they know how. They're so mired in their own legacies, probably tangled with decades of copyright law, that they couldn't just clean the slate and base everything around the movies.
Made by people who actually respects their audience. Americans have developed some weird habit biting the hand that feeds you pre-emptively.
Made by either a single person or a writer-artist team, leading to a real authorial voice. (until they grow big where they bring on assistants for the art)
One continuous story, not prone to retcons.
Consistent art. (this is such a big deal holy shit why do american capeshits not realize how important this is to everyone but them)
Beatiful art on average. Very rare to see someone uglifying things.
Writing appeals to normal people instead of internet politicals.
The three big impediments for americomics I feel is the inconsistent artist switching, terrible writing and writer switching. It makes it come across as a work of committee and bureacrats.
there's also the social norms in Japan where even business men on trains will read manga, so someone can invest their life into a single long running series and still feel proud and respected.
meanwhile people like alan moore are legitimately embarrassed to have worked on comics
>Guy from Berserk literally hired and trained several people in his style before dying
I legit would feel so fricking honored if some guy trusted me enough to leave me his legacy.
Miura is the perfect example. He worked for the guy who made Hajime no Ippo, then went on to make Berserk from the early 90s until his deathbed, and was responsible for tons of influences, and was widely respected.
There's also the fact that assistants for mangakas are expected to apprentice under them until they quit or make it themselves, so you have situations where there's a constant natural progression for their careers
It also helps to maintain a level of respect, these people are actual professionals.
He did, I mean there were even direct spoilers for the ending in early drafts.
Last question before going back to topic. Did being a mangaka kill him?
Maybe, He was infamously an Alchoholic and a chainsmoker and lived a mostly sedentry lifestyle.
If could have been being a Mangaka or it could have been Idolmaster.
>Maybe, He was infamously an Alchoholic and a chainsmoker and lived a mostly sedentry lifestyle.
that's most mangaka
>He was infamously an Alchoholic and a chainsmoker
that's most mangaka other than George and Yasuhiro
>people like alan moore are legitimately embarrassed to have worked on comics
From the sort of comic series he enjoys and has recommended in the past, I doubt that. I think he probably just likes comics too much, and has looped back around to hating them.
>warhammer 75% off
Holy shit where does this guy live
My comic store is doing fine but thats probably an exception due to tbe owner being chill. And the other one I go ti doubles as a tattoo shop.
Now as for my BaN, the comic section just vanished. Even my 2nd and Charles has more manga than comics, 9 shelves of it.
I think the main difference is manga is mostly earnest and sincere. They have fights that are trying to be badass and cool or horror that's actually trying to be scary or romance that's actually trying to be romantic, ect.
Western media in general is all tongue in cheek shit where you have to wink at the camera with a smarmy sarcastic meta-quip about all this stuff or it's all about deconstructing these fun ideas and not reconstructing them into anything enjoyable while finger wagging ideologically at the audience.
Like if I want to read a story about superheroes just being heroes and saving people and a plot that focuses on beating the bad guys and why that's cool I aint finding it in western comics which is all convoluted angsty interpersonal drama or slice of life slop written by obnoxious people who use twitter to much. It's all manga that has the traditional morally good people and adventure story structures left.
Not that manga isn't also very self-referential and pandering to a certain audience but at least there's SOMETHING fun going on there.
there are metric fricktons of manga released every year and you make it sound mostly like big 4 slop
I listed horror and romance among action in the second sentence but ok.
generalizations don't work that well, i don't even think half of manga is translated. i don't know the numbers that well but even if you took the top 20 manga magazines, count maybe 15-20 individual titles per magazine, that still only covers basic b***h land. there are orders of magnitude more manga than western comics
Did Miura write the story for berserk? Future quality is still in the air if it going to be written by somebody else.
he mentored the people working on it for years, and likely gave them plotlines. so while he likely didn't write everything out word for word, there's probably not a more faithful team capable on finishing it.
Yeah, they released their own manga called Duranki and from that I feel Berserk is in some very good hands.
He was quite the smoker and drinker even among Mangaka, but it could be he was especially burnt out by the Mangaka life.
Stories about his relationship with his Apprentices is amazing though, He was supposedly very easy going and relaxed with them purposefully avoiding the pressures Mangaka often go through so they could learn and develop at their own pace. Miura was very against the super strict and destructive lifestyle
adding on to this, the entire studio is also supervised by Miura's childhood friend for extra integrity.
if this was a western comic, some wienersucker would've sold it to the lowest bidder to ensure they retained income from the brand
>What is manga doing that is making it so much more popular in America than American comics?
BETTER VALUE. American comics are probably the most expensive shit you can buy when it comes to minutes of entertainment/value. Comics wont get better until floppy shit finally dies.
>Comics wont get better until floppy shit finally dies.
Floppies when done well are great values. They can tell a whole story for cheap and a single issue. Marvel and DC thrived as value storytelling when they were doing self-contained issues packed with story. even now you have indie guys like ed Piskor making the best of the format by doing single issue stories.
The problem is sometimes you want MORE than a floppy and floppies should not cost like $5.
Well its not like tpbs and longer format books don't exist.
weekly jump costs 2 dollars and contains 22 different series, each one as long as a floppy.
-The floppy system is moronic and should have been abandoned long ago.
-Western writers suck ass and are mostly diversity woke hires that self insert.
-Then you have the remaining part of the industry veterans who are possibly decent but they always stick to safe things like Batman or Spoder-man comics since they sell the best.
-The almost exclusive focus on capeshit, like what the frick were they thinking, no wonder Western comics are flopping. Rehashing the same characters again and again for 50-100+ years is fricking moronic.
Easy. Eastern trash is wish fulfillment. Western trash is anti-wish fulfillment.
The majority of trashy eastern comics are written by people who want to draw readers into an easy to sell fantasy. Whether it's living a carefree highschool life, a story where their ideal selves run roughshod over familiar rpg elements, or stories about cliched and easy to grasp romance-comedies, they want the reader to fill the hole in their hearts. Western trash is the opposite. The writers doesn't want people to be drawn into a fantasy, they want to use fantasy to preach against things from the real world. The stories are all metaphors, the characters are stand-ins, and the conflicts are just fluffed up problems that the writers want to portray as more grandiose than they are. The people who like these aren't looking for a fantasy to escape to, they're looking for a work that validates their own thoughts in the real world and shits on those trying to escape said real world. That's why you got shit like the X-men living on a genetics supremacist utopia or everyone lecturing the shit out of Tony Stark, they want the validation of knowing others agree that all them dirty bigots and rich fricks are capable of being taken down a peg, even if they have to practice on a blotch of ink that can't argue back to them.
Thankfully, none of this shit applies to the fleeting few good manga and comic books, but for the majority of the trashy ones, that's why you keep getting people interested in them. And wish fulfillment is ultimately easier than anti-wish fulfillment to attract an audience. Most people already live in the real world, they don't need to be reminded of it even when they're trying to take their minds out of it for a few minutes.
>Western comics are anti-wish fulfillment
>Western comic are made to validate reader’s thoughts in the real world
I think what he is trying to say is western comics are less fantastical and are mired in real world political thought and theory way too much.
He’s not wrong on that, but stories where audience gets jerked off vicariously for having Correct Opinions™ is still a form of wish fulfillment, it’s just a shit form that’s alienating to everyone who share that exact opinions the writing is espousing
>The majority of trashy eastern comics are written by people who want to draw readers into an easy to sell fantasy. Whether it's living a carefree highschool life, a story where their ideal selves run roughshod over familiar rpg elements, or stories about cliched and easy to grasp romance-comedies, they want the reader to fill the hole in their hearts
But none of those genres (outside of a few romcoms) are top sellers.
The "manga for the masses" is usually shounen or seinen about people struggling, fighting, growing physically or mentally, and the occasional comedy.
I specified "trashy" for a reason, but I'll bite. Cause that shit applies to low-level shonen and seinen as well. I love Shonen Jump, but it's also incredibly easy to see people take away the wrong things from the basic motto of "Effort, Friendship, Victory". You could as easily reduce every story to tales about how being gifted (effort), popular (friendship), and lucky (victory) is what makes you a hero, rather than selling the pains it takes to eke out a drop of talent from something that doesn't come naturally, the lengths you have to go to in order to truly understand someone, and how fleeting and rare a turn-about victory is or the sheer amount of time and pain it took to even reach that point. That shit is far too painful and raw a lesson for the average wish-fullfiller to find, so it's easier to just read a narrative where a dude with a ton of friends validating him beating the friendless evil losers just by believing in himself hard enough.
keep in mind, shonen jump is intended for children and teens and finding friendship and hardwork overcomes adversity is never a bad thing.
Definitely not wrong there. Still, there's an easy and a hard way to sell "effort, friendship, victory" to the masses, and not everyone is ready to tell kids and teens about the real adversities of achieving the three most basic things for a growing lad, but the ones that actually do so manage to make the stories that much more memorable. Nobody would give a shit about Naruto's rivalry with Sasuke if the emo boy just took him at face value and didn't make him work for that friendship.
Has the message of friendship ever actually affected any kid. If your kid is an antisocial outcast I don't think he's going to change and actually make friends because some manga
>has a message of hope, perseverance, and building healthy social ties ever improved a developing child's life
I dunno if the message had anything to do with it, but I unironically made friends through Naruto and Soul Eater growing up.
I fricking can't stand Medaka Box but I still love Kumagawa so much
Heh, fourth wall jokes.
I wonder if Gen alpha will have the preconceived idea that comics=superheroes. Scholastic sells a ton of graphic novels and kids read thousands of them.
I can think of a couple of things.
Both comics and manga typically start off as a sort of serialized, monthly standard, before being packed together is a short novela form. U.S. comics take the form of individual floppies, while manga takes the form of comic magazines (i.e. Shonen Jump). From there, the popular ones, or at least the ones with a certain amount of content, get packed up into manga books/trade paperbacks. The difference is that people in the U.S. only see the manga books, while for comics they mostly see the floppies. This produces a bit of a quality filter, where people see the worst in comics but the worst in manga gets stuck in Japan. This also means that the cheapest manga gives you several chapters and a good chunk of story arc for a single purchase. The equivalent in comics involves waiting four months and buying all the individual floppies to get the same.
Second is that, outside some specific manga, most of what you are going to find on the shelf will be a complete, self-contained story. Sure, One Piece and Dragon Ball are still running at 100+ volumes, but you can typically find a manga series that is just 3-volumes or 10-volumes and it's a full story. It's a lot harder to find that in american comics. Normally, even if you find a consistent self-contained arc in a comic, it'll start things off as a continuation of a previous work and leave a cliffhanger to the next arc at the end. People looking for a Superman story just want a Superman story; they don't want to pick up at the halfway point of something they've read and then leave it off with a bunch of stuff unexplained. This means that it takes a LOT more knowledge about what's going on with comics to know which ones to pick and which ones to avoid to just get a simple, consistent story.
One final thing.
It's hard to get away from the big name comics in the U.S. industry. If you want something that's not Superman or Batman or Spiderman, you normally have to go to some random corner of the comic store and dig through the few shelves not devoted to the mainstream two publishers. Some comic stores don't even carry that. But if you want something in manga that isn't Dragonball or One Piece or My Hero Academia, then that's literally every other manga out there. Dragonball has been running for over 30 years, but the only Dragonball manga are the original DB, DBZ, DBGT, and DB Super. But if you look through DC comic shelves, it is absolutely filled with Superman, Batman, Justice League, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and so on. Over and over and over again, hundreds of volumes of the same thing.
>the only Dragonball manga are the original DB, DBZ, DBGT, and DB Super.
i'll do you one better, for manga its only Dragonball and Dragonball Super. There's little spin offs like Bardock, or the Yamcha isekai that run for a couple of chapters, but that's it from the start to finish.
Ah, thanks for the correction. It's been awhile since I looked at Dragonball manga. I guess I'd forgotten that DBZ didn't get a separate title.
Did Dragonball GT even get a manga, even if by a different artist?
>Did Dragonball GT even get a manga, even if by a different artist?
nope. anime only that used some of toriyama's concept designs
God, everytime I look at a comics section I just get exhausted, and I even have knowledge in the area.
I'd say it's harder to get away from big name manga. My comic store has a shelf of comic trades which are all skinny books and span all kinds of different titles from a variety of publishers. Manga gets twice as many shelves but because they're all short fat books with 30+ volumes in a series, all they have room for is basic b***h shonen like My Hero and Naruto.
Dude, my local B&N has an entire section dedicated exclusively to adult smut manga that's like 6 full shelves.
I've even seen shit like Interspecies Reviewers at B&N.
Really? Mine just has a wall dedicated to light novels of any kind. Which...is probably where most of the smut comes from.
>Mine just has a wall dedicated to light novels of any kind
God, that shit is everywhere now.
Even my fricking city library has an entire section filled to the fricking brim with light novels.
And they all have the same damn titles and concepts, too. Ugh.
>adult smut
Sounds like an ecchi section with some softcore censored trash. Actual hardcore hentai is harder to come by in a normie store.
>with some softcore censore
Thankfully I live in a cultured state, so all our smut is uncensored.
America only licenses shonenshit. Meanwhile, European countries like Italy and France license almost everything from Japan, especially shoujo manga. For example, The Rose of Versailles was licensed in Italy and France for decades already while the first American license of The Rose of Versailles only happened back in July 24, 2021
reminder that even light novels sell more than comics
fricking pure text in pages
>pure text in pages
ACKSHUALLY, LNs have pictures in them.
For example...
man of taste
Not sure if you're joking but LNs tend to have good artists. So-bin, Katsumi Enami, Rui Araizumi
Gonna need a source there brother
Cop Craft
Pretty decent LN, crappy low-budget anime full of QUALITY.
Is the little girl a cop or what’s going on here?
You remember that movie Bright with Will Smith that was big on Netflix?
It was basically just Cop Craft, the e-girl is an elf-like race with enhanced strength and reflexes.
Her partner is a rugged older dude.
She is a space cop from another world. Some of the original art made her look older
Wait, Cop Craft LN pivoted towards the anime dicky Craft design? I remember that being a big issue people had when the anime started
I think they pivoted long before the anime came out, as far as I know Range has been an artist on it for years and I've always associated the look with his art.
small artists have a chance at making their own shit and winning...
DC/Marvel is like the two shithouses we have for voting a president in. We don't like them but we have little choice in many areas.
Every story is written with an ending in mind, even if that gets changed by the time the manga gets there. The stories and characters are written with a goal. They're not endlessly meandering doing nothing, not even slice of life manga. Thus, they are actually telling a story whereas comics are all about plots where shit happens that is "cool" but the writers and artists have no idea what the end goal is.
I had to read maus in high school and I always saw it as "how to show the holocaust to children"
I never saw it as mature beyond the topic. Like a 15 year old would get as much out of it as a 35 year old
There's more to it than that.
I blame Marvel movies and youtuber breakdown culture. There's this feeling now that the only thing that matters are the movies and any important obscure Spiderman/Batman one-shot will just be covered by a youtube video.
I still buy western comics, but they're all from Skybound or Dark Horse. The only DC/Marvel issue I've bought in the last 5 years was the blank variant of Punchline 1
Because there's no investment. Why should I get invested in Peter Parker's life when I know for a fact he'll never get character progression because Marvel believes that he HAS to be a complete loser who constantly gets cucked by MJ for him to be "relatable". Same with Bruce Wayne from DC. There's no end goal. It's just an endless wave of shitty writing, retcons, and writers self inserting so hard that it completely butchers a character (looking at you Tini Howards).
Maybe you shouldn't read corporate big 2 trash then.
>Just ignore 95% of the all comic books
if you think big 2 accounts for 95% of comics, you don't read comics.
>Go straight to the source tweet
>X MEN
>BATMAN
>ACTION COMICS
>Bill and Ted spin off comic lol
Also those are all one off issues.
The vast majority of manga in America is collected volumes.
I doubt anyone on Cinemaphile actually buys one offs anymore, and once gen x dies out I'm sure the average monthly comic numbers will drop from 200k to 50k or less.
OP is a disingenuous Black person and so is the homosexual who took the photos for making it look like it wasn't just the one off capeshit section.
Honestly I'm exhausted by comics and manga of all kinds and it's a breath of fresh air when I find anything good. Every fricking manga now is either "I Woke Up in my Favorite Video Game and All the Girls Want to Frick Me" and is about exactly that or "Tokyo Demon Hunter Squad X" about a bunch of teens in secret demon hunter school trying to stop a dude possessed by the big demon trying to turn all the humans into sentient goo. Every non-big 2 comic has a title like "Mom is Dead and Never Coming Back" and the final page of issue 1 is Mom sitting in a rocking chair saying "we need to talk." Every Marvel comic is about some C-lister trying to rediscover themselves after the last cosmic crossover took a shat on their life. Every DC comic is just Batman.
>I Woke Up in my Favorite Video Game and All the Girls Want to Frick Me" and is about exactly that or "Tokyo Demon Hunter Squad X" about a bunch of teens in secret demon hunter school trying to stop a dude possessed by the big demon trying to turn all the humans into sentient goo.
These premises never get old though
Harem stories are garbage.
only if you're a low test gay
No, they really are. Just badly written self insert garbage by lonely Jap writers, or just bad writers who botch it.
all I'm seeing is proof that you are indeed a low test gay
Uh huh. If you insist.
People have been stealing that shit in mass.
Whoever took this picture is a moron for not swiping those Warhammer minis. You can sell that shit on eBay for a profit.
That’s probably the shit with no profit margins as it’s fairly obvious the flippers already cleared the shelves of what was desirable
>What is manga doing that is making it so much more popular in America than American comics?
Jews have no control over manga production.
>blaming the israelites for your tiny dick
I've got very worn out on the soap opera, never ending nature of big western comics. At least when you pick up a manga, you know it will (eventually) have a conclusion. I still buy standalone graphic novels but I'm long past caring about anything that might happen in a Big Two book that will just be ignore or outright retconned a year from now.
>OP gets so bumblasted by manga GODS that he starts a meta thread
>instantly deleted
KWAB get fricked tool. Japan and robots will replace you and no amount of BLM worshipping will stop them.
>NO MILLY
NO MILLY
>NO MILLY
NO MILLY
He actually made two. Both were deleted lel
I am still sorting through the boxes of books I got for pennies on the dollar when my old store closed.
Though I did get a number of old Viz floppies of manga with them.
Plus various random magazines and even some boxes of mixed dvds and some figures. He didn't have room at home for most of the stuff. I still need to go through a buncha them. I gave some of the kids dvds to a cousin for her kids.
One big problem with comics (especially single issues, but it infects the entire medium) is that the market is set on catering to an aging demographic of collectors and speculators who are looking for valuable first appearances and rare variant covers, so that's what's prioritized over actual storytelling. There's a reason why Tynion suddenly started introducing a million edgy clown villains the second King got kicked off Batman. There's a reason why the fricking Darkwing Duck reboot has 40 variant covers for every issue. Decades of being restricted to specialty shops has created stagnation making it hard for the truly good stuff to gain traction. Not to mention that comics are viewed as the bottom of the totem pole and treated as IP farms for television and movies, hence why so many indie comics just read like bad screenplay treatments. No one has any confidence that a promising series will make it past six issues, so why bother picking up something that isn't proven. On top of all that, most "readers" of comics/manga hate the actual idea of reading and want to be spoonfed shit as simply as possible. Hence why the best selling books are all shonenshit manga that got popular because the majority of the fanbase already knows the story from watching anime. Popularity and sales aren't an indication of quality by any means, otherwise we'd be arguing that Taylor Swift is objectively the best musical artist and McDonald's is objectively the finest cuisine.
I did buy a shit ton of anime vhs tapes from him. Like 95% of them were unopened. I also got a buncha used western vhs like Star Trek TNG and random Hollywood films l8ke Blade and ID4. Put those used ones in a bag and in a bin on my back covered deck.
The main problem for comics is that theres two super giants that have been ravaging the scene for so long that any other competitors (Lol.) have to scrounge for the scraps of scraps when it comes to the comic industry. I mean come on, what's left? Scholastic?? Webtoons?? TAPAS?? Hiveworks?? Creator owned webcomics and physicals (LMAO)?? People only tune in to DC and Marvel for their movies, nobody is reading their books.
I think in the US we really do downplay how much damage monopolies and oligopolies do to our markets and products. Like when animators talked about going on strike or whatever the board was crawling with sycophants talking about how unions are parasites, but you almost never see anyone talking about how a monopoly can decide all the entries to the market is going to be safe reboots with as minimal pay as possible and a skeleton staff to make it. Heck, the Google monopoly killed off all those potential web options you mentioned.
Hey man, brainwashing works. If it doesn't, you just have to try harder. Google could get away with skinning living babies in broad daylight at this point, and it and Facebook have been culling the Internet's gene pool since the 2000s. And Disney, the poster child of big corpo owns Marvel. Consider how many people gush for Disney World and the legacy princess movies, along with Marvel's IPs. Also consider how many reboots there are of beloved IPs like Scooby Doo and Tinytoons, then think about who owns ALLLLL of those IPs.
I think media acquisition on this kind of scale should've been made illegal a long time ago.
Abolish copyright law. Rewrite it completely from scratch so this kind of IP hoarding is impossible. I'm in favor of making it so all copyright expires after 25 years, full stop.
I'm all for it honestly. Frick this hellish domain
Put it back to 25 years.
If you want to be considerate to let artists sit on their IPs and make money, then set it to life if a person holds the copyright and 25 years if any corporation holds it. Corporations don't need to feed their families into retirement, they're just making money. Throw in some provision if the original author sells their work (25 years from point of first sale) so you don't just have CEOs passing the IP around to each other.
You know they'd never make copyright law fair. You know who cares about copyright law and corporate power? Stockholders. Do you know what politicians all are? MAJOR STOCK HOLDERS. Members of the board of directors, even. They'd never.
Why communist revolution is necessary.
Then there'd only be ONE copyright holder and the problem is worse. The secret really is a well-regulated free market that doesn't pretend a monopoly can somehow be beneficial to the public.
Monopolies are only ever beneficial to the owners of said monopoly, and to the state, so it's easier to regulate whatever industry the monopoly operates in.
Under communism, there is no property at all. Everything belongs to everyone.
No, everything belongs to the one person who is strongest, which is usually a state.
>well regulated
>free market
Frick copyright altogether. Let anyone write their own spiderman and give marvel some incentive to make sure their spiderman isn't dogshit
Believe it nor, actual economists talk about TYPES of markets. Comic books would be a competitive market if there were plenty of distributors and companies doing it. There's no healthy reason a nation should have only two comic companies, or why Sinclaire should own as much media as it does. It's just that media companies also control a narrative, so when they get to make their case, they'll tell you "A law that limits a corporation limits the free market!"
It's not true. Laws that prevent monopolies are essential to the health of a free market. If unregulated monopolies worked, the Communism really would be the best idea because Communism is a completely deregulated monopoly that decides unilaterally who should benefit from all its resources.
But Communism never has worked for the basic reason that it's always led by a greedy, stupid person eventually, if not immediately. Ergo, corporate monopolies will also lead to similar problems and famines as Communism dealt with.
You HAVE to regulate a free market to keep it free. And that means regulating in a way that checks corporate power rather than enabling it, which is the opposite of what we do in the US.
Then we kill them
yo grandkids gonna be weebs
tanjiro is a great fictional character for kids to look up to, what's the problem
I dressed my daughter up as Anya last halloween. I plan an age appropriate weeb costume every year. I’m not worried about my grandkids being weebs, I’m making sure of it
>Kids look up at Tanjiro
This is specifically for Marvel/DC. Western graphic novels are doing okay.
1: Nobody wants to buy single issues. I'm not spending five bucks for two minutes of reading.
2: Continuity is hard to follow. Does this "Issue #1" actually imply the start of a story or some half-reboot that still expects you to know random trivia?
3: It's a crapshoot if the series will actually have an ending. More likely the comic is cancelled halfway in, or the writer and artist change and the run dies a slow, painful death. Or maybe a writer who really hates it takes control and makes your favorite character canonically eat shit out of dirty diapers or something.
4: These characters have been wrung dry a hundred times. "Oh wow, Spider-Hyphen-Man has sex with a dog woman from a parallel universe in this one! That's just like issue 25 of The Abrasive He-Spider from 1987!" How many times has the Judas Contract been rehashed, for example?
5: Tie-ins and events almost always suck and are poorly coordinated. The arc of one series is completely derailed because Steve™ Rogers™ shoved a pinecone up his ass and the entire Marvel Universe needs to come together and get it out.
6: Anime girls are hotter.
>why is manga so much more popular
I don't know Op, it's a mystery.
Here’s a real question. Would accessibility improve comic sales? I don’t mean to investors or soi chuggers, I mean to children, the actual demographic for comics. As it stands, you have to go out of your way to hole in the wall comic shops to buy comics. Walmart and Target carry various manga volumes. And I don’t just mean your entry level shonen like MHA or Demon Slayer, my last trip to Walmart I saw Komi can’t communicate and Toilet Bound Hanako on the shelf. Definitely not the type of thing I expected on such mainstream shelves. If you want more, most Barnes and Noble are carrying a massive array of manga series. And while thats still an out of the way trip for a parent, it’s at least more palatable than some comic store in a run down strip mall.
I believe school libraries even carry some volumes of manga series. Obviously nothing too hardcore and I doubt any of it could be used for reports or anything, but it’s still an offered option
the only way to really fix comics is to nuke it and start over permanently with actual progression and dedicated writers until that series/character is over
but that won't happen because american corporations are disgusting
>Komi can’t communicate and Toilet Bound Hanako
Those are mainstream now.
No they aren’t you stupid tripgay. Popular on twitter isn’t mainstream. If you can’t buy a shirt of it at Hot Topic it’s not mainstream
If they sell it in Target and WalMart, its pretty much mainstream. And its always those two plus Spy X Family, Demon Hunter, Jujutsu Something Something...
let's see some comparisons
Kaiju No 8, thats another one I see in Target alot.
i'd imagine so, considering it outsold Marvel for 2022
That won’t fix it. Maybe 20 years ago that would have helped, but not now
>be in the check out line
>little Timmy grabs a comic off the rack and asks his mom to buy it
>it’s thin as frick, Timmy could probably read it cover to cover before they even get to the car
>$6 + tax
Libraries can’t offer comics for the same reason, they are so thin and insignificant they will be destroyed after one check out. Meanwhile manga is in the form of a book which gives it the needed durability to be offered at a library
The funny thing is, there are some comics getting put on store shelves. At least in Target, I can regularly find my Svetlana Chmakova books. And I see stuff like Diaries of a Wimpy Kid and similar stuff nearby. The problem, mostly likely, is that the same shelf is selling comics and kid's books for the latest Disney movie, or Barbie, or any sort of pony stories, and you know what most little kids will be pointing out to mommy to buy them.
Still, it's good to see it potentially getting out to a larger market.
This image shows pretty clearly why nothing western can succeed even if you get away from capeshit. You can tell right from the cover that priority number 1 was a diverse cast where the white kid is the heel.
These kids books that outsell all other comics should be considered the ground floor. Anything worse than these should not be published.
>Komi can’t communicate and Toilet Bound Hanako
Hanako has outsold amazing spider-man for several years now
Retail stores won't fix much, getting them in scholastic catalogs and book fairs moves them more, but online is where its really at.
Online is fine for established fans. The issue comics have is not luring in any new fans, and lack of exposure is a factor for that
>Online is fine for established fans.
Do you think Webtoons got big off established fans? Retail is dying. You need to advertise on online spaces where everyone is.
Online is dying too. There is no true victor from the death of physical.
>exposure is the issue
Yes I’m sure white children will gladly buy troony comics if they simply saw them more often
I never went to comic book stores as a kid because I didn't know of any. The only comics I ever had were the old Valiant SMB and Zelda comics, and the Archie Sonic comics. That was because they were all on the magazine rack at a drugstore near my house. I'd always check the rack for any new issues whenever we were shopping there. By the time I went to my first comic book store, I felt no urge to buy anything since I knew I could read the majority of it online for free.
Videogames didn't become big by having specialty videogame stores you would go to in order to buy games. They became big by being at the same big box stores like Walmart, Target, Sears, etc, where people were likely to see them. By having arcade machines at the local gas station, bar, movie theater, or bowling alley. By having the PC games on the shelf at Fry's or Circuit City next to the serious software.
The comic book shop model is only really good for the hardcore fans, who can get a lot of use out of having archives to dig through and a big selection of new titles to check out. For new readers and kids, it's a whole lot of material that you don't even know will be worth the $5, all at some place you have no reason to visit. It's not like there are 1:1 comic adaptations of the popular movies to appeal to them.
The thing is, its not that comics weren't available outside of comic shops because they're only sold to comic shops; its that comic shops came into existence because retail stores stopped ordering comics. News stands dying killed the comic market in favor of shops.
Retail stores like Barnes and Noble and Toys R Us and recently Wal-mart have tried carrying comics, and they don't sell even then. Only TPBs/graphic novels stick around
>comic shops came into existence because retail stores stopped ordering comics.
Comic shops existed back into the 80's, and I was buying the Valiant comics and Archie Sonic at retail stores in the 90's. Did you think comic book stores were a new thing that suddenly appeared in the 2000's?
The one comic store in my town used to be in a really ghetto area between a liquor store and some gypsy flea market. My parents didn’t want me to go there since there were always degenerates hanging around the liquor store and there was a surge in anal rape in the area back in those days
>can’t get comics due to buttrape epidemic
What does that slime isekai do that other isekai don’t that makes it so popular it can even compete against shonen jump stuff?
an anime that was really popular came out that year
Ok, but why was it popular among the sea of other isekai?
It’s less of a blatant power fantasy and more of a kingdom building series. Yes, the MC has some OP abilities, however his goal is never attaining more power, but rather making sure his homies have somewhere safe to live. Any quests for power he makes are due to someone threatening his homies place to live
It's like Log Horizon in that the isekai was an excuse for them to do a lore fantasy anime.
The problem is western comics are increasingly cerebral, borderline literature, and modern audiences don't want that. What they want are bright shiny colors, stupid power level fights, and - most importantly - nothing that will challenge them intellectually or politically.
Manga is for children, western comics are for adults.
>that page
Manga has beautiful big titty women who act like women.
America comics (Outside of IDW Sonic) haven't had that in ages.
>America comics (Outside of IDW Sonic) haven't had that in ages.
don't be a chud, comics are made for 25 year old college women, not for boys
> Dat old Ms. Marvel Carol who was a big titty gal who had a good time and later was even drawn even more sexy by a Japanese manga artist
> Any than dykes got into the comic industry tricking the guys who hired them thinking they would be able to have sex with them
This is the worst timeline
what comic is similar to bleach?
Never read it.
The art looks nice.
Western comics that try to innovate (in being new stories, not necessarily conceptually) and are not bogged down by ancient legacies making where to start confusing don't get sold at comic stores, at least, not to new crowds. People learn about new comics from shit like Webtoons and online sources or seeing a book at a book store like Barnes and Nobles. Manga and anime inherently looks way more accessible in that:
>most people started reading and watching it online
>there's vastly more options at places that sell it for someone just starting
>they don't need a backstory from 30 other comics or to sift through a collection of previous stories to determine it
>tie-ins via anime are a lot more 1 to 1 with a manga; a comic might in turn be an adaptation of something from 30 years ago, if at all.
That barrier of entry isn't an impossible hurdle, but it's long enough that it keeps most people away from it. Superheroes aren't the problem with it, 95% of shounen type stuff is basically superheroes rebranded or directly anyways (some guy with powers fighting villains and going on an adventure).
It's not corporate virtue signaling. Manga is made by one or two people and comes from the heart
That's completely false. Most manga are made by huge teams that simply publish under a single name for marketing purposes.
if by huge you mean the creator and his 5 assistants, sure
5 is for the big weekly dogs. a lot of mangakas only have less than 3 people under them, and some work alone
>and some work alone
Most work alone. Even having one assistant is a luxury reserved for established names who get regular work. Your average mangaka isn't a bigshot with a 10+ year serialization in a national magazine.
And the editor staffs, and the marketing staffs, and the publishing company staff. Just like western comics.
mangakas only have 1 editor
That's definitely not true, especially for the smaller manga that run in small magazines and are updated on an irregular basis or, god forbid, the ones that are webmanga.
The vast majority of manga are made by one or two people.
If you're bringing webmanga into it, you can say the same thing about comics considering there's only about 150, tops, big two books running at any given moment, and countless indie and webcomics.
Even for print manga, the vast majority are just one person. Because the vast majority of manga are not super long serialized franchises, but smaller series that often don't even make it past a couple volumes. Such authors don't have regular, steady work, so they can't afford assistants unless they work for free.
This is complete fiction. It's far more than just one person, they just use that illusion for marketing purposes. If you look at the actual company as a whole and the various staff involved, it's no different than western comics.
yes, most comics in general are done by one person. all it takes to make a comic is to draw an illustrated narrative, possibly with text.
>What is manga doing that is making it so much more popular in America than American comics?
Rape
Jannies have spoken. Thread is okay by them.
And yet they POLICE MY FROG THREAD REEEEEEEEEEE
Because your kind posts cancer 24/7 under the guise of it being on topic
OP here, just want to thank everyone for once again taking the bait. I haven’t read a word posted here as I don’t actually give a frick. I just love seeing a bait thread race up to bump limit.
No problem OP, see you tomorrow
Thanks. I’m thinking about noon or so
You blew it
Good thing I didn't reply.
Only dumbfrick c**ts replied to this thread.
You just did.
this same thing happened at a few of my book stores I went to frequently during covid. They literally had comics on sales and discount constantly then even when they were closing they basically had to give them away
>I actually got like a 50 random single issues from one of the owners who I knew well bro basically didn't want them and gave them to me for free just throwing them out.
Sounds like people itt need to read more creator-owned comics. I'll make it easy and make it a DC comic, because you dipshits assume that only they and Marvel are the only comic book publishers in the USA
>I'm too moronic to filter so I'll just force the thread to bump limit
Board culture police are such gays
>we should let shitty threads clog up the catalog
Not my fault you're a casual
I'm not objecting to a story time thread anywhere at any time, but could you be a bit less of a gay?
My homosexualry is nothing compared to OP's. He's sucked over 9000 dicks.
It's really the self-righteousness that gets me. Like you're trying to save Cinemaphile more then ten years after moot successfully purged all the fun culture and genuine material people used to care about.
>old ugly man complains about shit
Wow, exciting! So engaging and better than shonen jump
>Cinemaphilesshole only cares about shonenshit
Oh my, how surprising
It is.
This.
Most people don't know but many DC and Marvel comics outsource the art to poorly paid artists living in Spain. Yes, the name of the artist you see on your comic is not actually Mexican American but a Spaniard and DC and Marvel have been getting away with this sly trick for a good while now.
460 replies 0f.the emtirety.of Cinemaphile falling for a troll thread
>460+ post troll thread that mods do nothing about
>AGAIN
ftfy
Manga style is fap material. That really is it.
Cool
Honestly, just read the new Silver surfer issue that came out yesterday.
And you will know god damned well why Manga is outperforming comics.
I dont get why people care so much about this shit; life is gonna die out one way or another. One generation will have to face the reality of things ending wherever its in a hundred years or in billions. Entropy is unescapable.
How old are you?
I just had my 18th birthday last week. I'm officially an adult. And more brave than all of the old losers that think death is scary.
You may get the fear when you get old.
Might even get religious. It happens.
I remember being 18 and thinking I knew better than all the adults around me too.
AMERICAN COMIC SO GODDAMMED SHIT IT'S ONLY PROTECTED BY CULTURE WAR AND SUPPORTED EXCLUSIVELY BY 50 YEAR OLD AMERICANS WHO CAN'T LET GO OF THEIR CHILDHOOD COMICS
AHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I mean...yeah pretty much. IT only persists because it's designed to only cater to the exact same crowd who were reading it when they were young in the 1980s. Everything is either a continuation of, or direct reference to an 80s or 90s book and that's it. Beyond that they are just an IP farm for film studios....to sell to the same fricking crowd of Boomers and Gen Xers.
Korean Manhwa >>>>>>> Manga > Comics
Too bad the normies all have shit tastes and love slurping up them shitty Narutos, Death Notes, and Attack on Titans shit.
manhwa is the worst one lel
Put in the most mainstream manhwa for entry level to be the comparison to Naruto, Attack on Titan, and other shitty entry-level mainstream manga series. Here is another, slightly less mainstream but still popular, amazing series for you comic nerds to enjoy. You're welcome.
Dogshit bugman trash.
>ah yes my tastes are so cultured and superior
>have you heard of "Solo Leveling" very obscure, normies hate Korean media and manga with RPG elements. very niche.
Frick off Mario.
Hero Has Returned is a series that is extremely long, but has one of the most sympathetically tragic hidden boss characters ever created.
I think this comic is a good explanation for why manga outperforms comics.
When I think of non-cape comics, this is exactly the kind of stuff I'm thinking about.
And not in a good way.
>comics spend more time telling stories they want to tell, especially creator-owned stuff
>manga do the same generic shit over and over again, because they know their audience is too desperate for bland escapism to care
Yeah, sounds about right.
Well, if your idea of an entertaining comic is "old man yells at clouds" then all the more power to you I guess.
I hope you stupid fricking weebs get some taste.
I'm sorry old man, but this was just boring.
this was garbage, peak example of how awful a lot of non-superhero American comics are
I do not like your story about miserable old men in the first world crying about problems. boring garbage.
You should have posted a comic like Transmetropolitan. Slice-of-life shit appeals to a very specific crowd of bored people.
Anything by Kim Carnby is a fricking masterpiece.
Manga has better marketing. There's actually a lot of fun western comics out there, but I guess capeshit makes far too much money to ever devote time to newer series.
How To Fight is a raw series made by the guy who made Lookism. This is the best of his series, imo. This is how you make a school life fighting series that is realistic, dramatic, and funny.
Soulless as frick.
Holy frick, my dog can draw better than this.
I'd rather read hentai.
There's alot of problems that western comics have
> buying a regular comic at 3-5$ gets you about 30 pages with ads interlaced, for a manga volume its 10-13$ and you get about 200 pages with no ads
>if you want to read a physical book and start at the beginning with some comics that will be incredibly costly as you'll need to buy omnis that can range from 30-100+$, mangas on the other hand can be found in cheaper 10-13$ single volumes even for older series
>starting with older comics can also be difficult as they are written drastically different than their modern issues, manga series on the other hand are usually so short that the tone and language can remain the same throughout
>mangas short life is also a great boon to them, there is often a definitive goal for the story to conclude at, whether that the badguy defeated, boy finding love or kids graduating school, comics have no clear end whats the point in reading what a hero does every issue if his badguys will come back again
>right now someone is getting ready to type "stop reading capeshit" and thats another problem, going to a franchise book store the main comics being pushed are capeshit while mangas most popular series are action/adventure oriented they also have other genres being pushed at stores like slice of lifes and romance and comedy series
>another problem is demographic, mangas are mostly aimed at teenage boys, thats why so many love interests ar highschool girls, mangas often feed these boys wish fulfilment, giving the smart shy loner guy a girl and an adventure and power to control his life, spiderman used to deal with that but not any more, kids dont always want to lookup to characters in stories they want to see themselves in that role
>Mangas rarely have intersecting stories, you stick to one book you get every angle of the story, with comics you may need to read multiple books a month to get the complete story
Burning Effect is my personal favorite Manhwa, though it never took off. It is finished though. It's over the top as frick and perfect for anyone who is into some Hiroyuki Imaishi-like hotblooded series.
Looking for some Grade A fap material softcore porn? Keep This A Secret From Mom is the manhwa for you.
OP here again, thanks for yet another shit bait thread beyond bump limit
Same time tomorrow?