What is the most egregious retcon you can recall seeing in a show or film?
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What is the most egregious retcon you can recall seeing in a show or film?
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The Quickening.
Highlander 3 just saying "nope, 2 just didn't happen" is wild.
Smart
>Highlander 3 just saying "nope, 2 just didn't happen" is wild.
still not as wild as Highlander 2 itself tho
Highlander 2 was a bit far out there to be fair.
Terminator 5 and 6 did that twice on a row
Cars 3 too
>the last immortal
>actually there's a planet of them
>yeah a planet, they're aliens or something
Aliens from the planet Yeast who ride Green Goblin gliders.
On second thought let us not go to the Quickening. Tis a silly place.
heh
You didn't see the DC? No alien bullshit in it. It's a sorcerer that scatters the immortals across time to prevent the endgame. It's not a bad movie. Not great, but 20X better than the T-Cut.
FPBP, no movie is as much of a nightmare mess than Highlander 2, it embodies the word egregious perfectly
In season 2 and early season 3 Mike was some random goon hired by Saul to run random errands. Later in season 3 it's revealed that Mike was the second in command of Albuquerque's biggest drug gang all along. Somehow he finds the time to both work as Gus' lieutenant and Saul's goon at once.
i think this is pretty clearly explained in BCS. he's not just a goon for saul, he's a complicated friend
An excuse for a retcon, not an explanation. Mike is literally Saul's driver in the first few episode of season 3.
Nah that's just your dumb headcannon being challenged
Yes, these were retcons, please try to keep up
I like this one. By design, the showrunners mapped out characters for individual episodes or story arcs. Never even had Gus all planned out.
Hell, they were supposed to kill off Jesse early and have the twins be a Season Big Bad. Retcons is all the writers ever did.
Breaking Bad doesn't even have a script after season 2. They shot every episode not even knowing what would happen in the next episode. I too like this approach to writing, but it's a miracle they never wrote themselves into a corner and couldn't back out. They nearly killed Hank off in season 3 when he cornered Walt and Jesse in the RV and the writers didn't know how to get them out of that. It was a stroke of sheer luck that they came up with the phone trick.
would have made sense to off jesse. walts many themes is absorbing the role of those he slays. Jesse was just your lvl 1 noob in the narcotics trade, bottom barrel street dealer/bootleg meth hack
Damn I have more respect for them now, that's baller as frick. Obviously it could have gone fricked if they weren't such skilled writers and actors, but making that work is amazing.
Basically LOST minus the pretense then (I still think LOST is kino thoughever)
He was never a ‘random goon’ you idiot, he was a free agent with multiple underworld connections. It’s why he knew the Asian guy with the barrels of precursor nd was able to buy black market weapons like the sniper rifle.
>be right hand man of top level druglord
>has the time to clean the crime scene of some random junkie
Gus wasn't even supposed to be on the show at the start of season 3 midwit.
It's because Saul was not available for filming, so they introduced the Mike character as a "cleaner" that shows up to clean the Jane OD scene.
He was never Saul's goon, those would be his direct employs like Huell. Mike one of the shadowy contact Saul kept on file for higher risk jobs.
Regardless, it's obvious they shoehorned him to be the underboss AND main enforcer of Gus's operation. He would not be doing odd high risk jobs like tampering with evidence at crime scenes just because Saul asked him to. He was later shown to have dozens of men under his own employ, obviously he'd send one of them if he even agreed to it at all.
why would you need to buy a sniper rifle from the black market anyways?
Yeah, show kind of lost me on this character. I had a feeling we were getting some sort of reveal on him, but having this dopey eyed decrepit old frick be some secret druglord badass was really moronic.
The finale of season 2 with the dumb plane crash nonsense and season 3 with the saturday morning cartoon villain mute mexican gangsters with the boots was already pretty fricking dumb, but he really was the tipping point.
Show is so stupid.
Yeah
Yeah.
P3po being made by darth Vader alone …
Don’t get me started on r2-D2 being able to hover/fly,
Also leia knew her mother, she didn’t die in childbirth. .also all the storm troopers being clones or a lot of them?
Also everyone knowing who Jedi and force are and then suddenly they are monks of legend. I could go on
>r2-D2 being able to hover/fly
Clearly requires fuel.
Not even addressing other stuff.
Maybe it’s the same way iron man flies
>all the storm troopers being clones or a lot of them?
Why are Star Wars "fans" so illiterate?
Remember when Finn was revealed and people were losing their shit because he didn't look like Jango Fett? Good times.
>remember when there was a black character and Cinemaphile posters lost their minds
You're going to have to be more specific
>P3po being made by darth Vader alone …
Never happened. The kid was bragging about it when he actually just found 3PO in the trash. But you know, "I built this" sounds better than "I rebooted this" when you're after prime Padmé pussy.
Lucas was full of crap saying the Stormtroopers were all clones.
In the 1977 film you can clearly see Stormtroopers wearing black dress uniforms, and different looking guys wearing them, when they are not wearing their armour.
And they're different heights, as the set designers discovered the hard way.
Little moments of naturalism like are what you miss with green-screen set. Really breathes life into a scene.
you sound like a giant queer
I'm pretty sure Lucas established that the clones were phased out before the OT takes place. Doesn't really make any sense, because I can't see how conscripting a limited supply of naturally born people is more useful then troops that can be mass-produced and mind controlled, but I'm sure that's what he said.
>Doesn't really make any sense
It does ideologically. The Empire didn’t like aliens so the alien-invented clones were something they wanted to distance themselves from.
Also I’m pretty sure in the old EU most stormtroopers were volunteers.
I forgot that in the EU the Empire is human supremacist, I always thought that was silly; I never get the impression from the films that humans are particularly important or significant in the galaxy, I was never even sure if there were "humans" in the films. Like, I always assumed Han and Luke were different species, because they came from different worlds, they just happened to resemble human beings from our galaxy.
Also, I always perceived the Empire as evil because it's head of state is a cackling sorcerer who's domestic policy is to blow up planets and corrupt innocent farm boys. I don't know why the guys who wrote the tie-in novels felt that this was too relatable and they had to make him a racist in order to establish his evil bona fides.
>a cackling sorcerer who's domestic policy is to blow up planets
Always a red flag, that.
>I was never even sure if there were "humans" in the films. Like, I always assumed Han and Luke were different species, because they came from different worlds, they just happened to resemble human beings from our galaxy.
moron
I remember in one of the books I read, the character describes Han as a Corellian (Corelia is the planet he came from). I somewhat questioned if there was a difference between humans on different planets, but that made me think maybe there was a difference in humans on different planets.
No there is no difference between humans on different planets just like how there is zero difference between the various races of humans on Earth, we are all equal.
Cloning is expensive and the clones don't really have any connection to the populace. Farmboy Jim has a real stake in serving the empire, and a rebel might just hesitate to pull the trigger on an actual person, one they might even know.
>limited supply
....are you fricking serious? The Star Wars Galactic community has millions on inhabited worlds, possibly a billion. Its the same scale as 40k. The one thing they surely have in plentiful supply is bipedal sentient flesh.
>Lucas was full of crap saying the Stormtroopers were all clones.
Thank god he never said that, then.
"I always knew the Stormtroopers were clones." -George Lucas, Starlog Magazine, 2002
This may be true but it is weird to set up a back story for Storm troopers and then not go through with it.
It is even weirder to set up a back story for Jango/Boba (i.e.Mandalorians) but also not go through with that either and instead they just stole Mandalorian armour.
>Boba Fett is a clone of a guy named Jango Fett
>all of the stormtroopers started out as Boba Fetts
>there were also a bunch of special Boba Fett stormtroopers running around the galaxy for a decade+
>turns out there's also a planet of other Boba Fetts who were so badass they could kill jedi
>also, Darth Maul comes back and becomes the ruler of the Boba Fetts (but not the stormtrooper Boba Fetts)
>after Palpatine dies, girl Boba Fett, her Boba Fett friend, and his Baby Yoda unceremoniously kill a rogue Moff who cloned himself several dozen times and gave all of his clones jedi powers
>after Palpatine dies, girl Boba Fett, her Boba Fett friend, and his Baby Yoda unceremoniously kill a rogue Moff who cloned himself several dozen times and gave all of his clones jedi powers
Holy shit. I dropped Mandalorian in season 2 but you make it seem like they dropped the ball HARD
>dropped the ball HARD
? I dunno I'm pretty sure they successfully met their goal - produced the cheapest, easiest (guys our "stars" literally aren't even have to be in the fricking show, it's awesome!), lowest-common-denominator trash entertainment for absolute nitwit morons
>a rogue Moff who cloned himself several dozen times and gave all of his clones jedi powers
I don't remember this bit
It's exaggerated, but it was there.
Take it back, homosexual.
I’d argue the Sequels were much more egregious in retconning almost everything expanded out of existence AND essentially retconning the originals too before our eyes. At least the prequels had some good stuff, the sequels destroyed everything of both trilogies for nothing of value. The entire practice was an exercise in backtracking.
>Actually Han was a bad dad and left Leia
>Actually Luke tried to kill his nephew and turned into a coward
>actually the Empire isn’t defeated
>Actually all the stuff we established about the Force and Jedi in both trilogies was reworked cause Rey can just do it all
>Actually the clones only followed Order 66 because of some brain chip
>Actually all the rules we established about how the universe works including space travel, economics/politics, history, and combat are different now
And don’t forget
>SOMEHOW… Palpatine has returned
That last one is far worse than anything the prequels did and is probably the most egregious retcon in film history, outside of a few other contenders like the before-mentioned Quickening.
The prequels seem like a bigger fail because they were meticulously planned by the 'genius' creator of the franchise and hold more weight canon-wise. The sequels were a clusterfrick that never should have happened, cobbled together by corporate idiots.
I don’t, killing Star Wars as s viable franchise when it was still one of the biggest things in the world is a pretty bad screwup
Well, Star Wars nowadays is doing better than ever before when there wasn't a trilogy going on.
Star Wars was basically completely gone from the public consciousness between 1983 and 1995. And all it had after the prequels was that horrible clone wars series that only children and massive fanboys followed.
But right now it has multiple TV/streaming shit going on, with more projects being planned. For better or worse.
>Well, Star Wars nowadays is doing better than ever before when there wasn't a trilogy going on.
lol
lmao
Star Wars never faded from the public consciousness wtf are you talking about? The hype for episode 1 wasn’t because people suddenly remembered a fad back in the early 80s
The broad public maybe, but generations grew up with EU novels, comics, video games and Ewok cartoons in the meantime.
I think the popularity of the videp games especially were an indicator that the IP was still strong and another trilogy would be a good chance of making a lot of money.
What a bunch of bullshit
>they were meticulously planned
Lucas has never meticulously planned anything in his entire life.
Ya he just accidentally stumbled his way into creating one of the largest and most beloved movie franchises of all time. God I can't stand you homosexual midwits.
>Ya he just accidentally stumbled his way
Yes? That's the defining trait of Star Wars, how much it was made up and chopped and changed it went along, and how unexpected its success was.
That’s exactly what happened. There are numerous biographies about the man you can check and a book called The Secret History of Star Wars specifically about this very thing.
The OT wasn't planned either. Vader went from just some cool enforcer guy, to Luke's father, to Leia's father as well because they're actually secretly twins.
The main difference is Lucas's oddball dialogue was kept more in check.
I think the brain chip thing was a Feloni thing before Disney
It was, I am an autist that watched clone wars whole. There is an episode where one clone has a faulty chip and shoots a Jedi dead from behind. Filoni also introduced a large monster from the Sibulba people(?) Home planet that palpy caught to clone. It was semi-retconned as nothing ever came from it, sadly. I hate star wars
I’m still amazed how Disney just absolutely ruined a whole franchise.
>the quickening
wtf is this? Why is everyone bringing this up?
If you don’t know, you’re better off not knowing.
I just wanna know anon, I can handle it
>>the quickening
just googled it, it basically sounds like an enhanced diablerie from white wolf stuff, you kill an immortal and absorb his powers/memories etc. Basically the more highlander guys you kill, the better you are. The aim is to kill all highlander types to become the only one left. Haven't and will not watch this franchise so I might be wrong.
>somehow
I'm still sad that Obi-wan didn't turn out to have been a clone himself, with his real name being OB-1. Like Artoo and R2-D2.
We could have had dozens of clones of the same Jedi Master fighting dozens of clones of some Sith Master. Instead we got stormtroopers shooting droids.
Them killing a beloved and successful studio is more impressive IMO. Pixar is fricking dead and making Toy Story 5 to try to stay afloat.
The entire reference to "The Clone Wars" in the original film gave all sorts of possibilities in the minds of the audience. Not that you are obligated to fulfill their personal fantasies, but I don't think anyone thought it would be "The Republic vs a breakaway faction but the Republic's foot soldiers are stormtroopers who are clones". At the least, it seemed like something called the Clone Wars should revolve around cloning more centrally than just being the source of footsoldiers for one of the two sides.
It made me think they discovered a massive conspiracy of sinister clones leading parts of the galactic government which caused the government to destroy itself in civil war making way for the very dark-age style empire
Which is almost what happened
They're just so fricking awful.
Actual retcon because Lucas pretended he intended them all along.
Meanwhile in reality, Lucas's detailed plans for the prequels when he sat down at his computer in 1995 to start writing TPM were
>Obi-Wan and Anakin will fight in a volcano and Anakin will lose and be burned to a crisp, necessitating his transformation into Vader
>....that's all
And his plans for the following prequels when he sat down in 1999 to write AOTC were
>Obi-Wan and Anakin will fight in a volcano and Anakin will lose and be burned to a crisp, necessitating his transformation into Vader
>....that's all
the good old days before the sequels shat on everything the most we had to b***h about was midichlorians which still is moronic
as always,
Clone Wars > The Clone Wars
Tartakovsky > every other director that touched Star Wars outside of Lucas and the OT
This has that samurai Jack type animation and feel. Weren’t both of those Made some time in the early to mid 2000s
It was made by Tartakovsky, the creator of Samurai Jack. In case you didn't know.
TROS
Awful for sure, but it HAD to retcon TLJ because it made the overall story too much of a nothing.
No it did not.
>Rey doesn't come from any special bloodline or key family, because heroes can come from anywhere
>Actually Rey comes from a special bloodline because only special bloodlines matter
TROS is the epitome of nothing. Nothing matters, nothing means anything, it's just filling time until the end credits.
she cute
The borg having a queen/ leader
Completely changes the point of the Borg.
the queen wasnt supposed to be the leader tho. just a speech vessel of the collective. but yea still the same in the end I suppose
i dont agree anon, i think she makes them even more powerful
Yeah First Contact was far and away the worst Star Trek movie, well besides maybe Into Darkness. James Cromwell scenes and the actual First Contact event are the only thing worthwhile in that overrated piece of shit.
First Contact specifically says she's not the leader but merely a voice for the Borg to communicate with Picard and Data. It was later on, especially in Voyager, that they forgot the Borg are a collective and just made them insects who need a queen to function.
why does picard rip her spine out and break it though
Tracy's death in Diamonds Are Forever. They're supposed to be the same guy but Bond seems all jovial despite his wife being murdered. They try to cover it with the opening scene but it still doesn't make sense. It's so egregious since it was the most emotionally powerful moment in the series and it gets totally ignored.
Lazenbys bond literally says "This Never Happened To The Other Fellow." in the first 10 minutes of his movie. James Bond is a code name given to top agents.
thats your own headcanon bro, lanzby's wife get murdered, sean connery avenges her or thinks he does, roger more actually kills bloefeld in that ridiculous helicopter scene and timothy dalton wife is referenced as being murdered, so its all the same character.
In never say never again, bond (seanconnery) is shown to be aging and losing his edge. there is no way a man could carry on for another 40 years in this line of work.
NTA but Never Say Never Again is literally not made by the same company that did all the other Bond movies and is considered non-canon.
Besides, I don't think anybody says it's literally the exact same version of the character. Craig is clearly a complete reboot with a different continuity, but they are all still James Bond, it's the guy's name, not an alias, people who say that just want more continuity between what are essentially a series of (at least soft) reboots.
>considered non-canon.
The characters have the same names, what does it matter to the story if its not made by the same company? were talking about In-World lore. Bond is there, M is there, Q is there, shit, even blofeld is there.
Because sharing the same characters doesn’t mean a story is chronological to other stories that use the same characters
>everyone in this thread just quietly avoiding mentioning the original Casino Royale
Never mind the fact that it's a direct remake of Thunderball with most of the same characters. Leaving aside the lack of originality in bond villains, if it's not an alt version of events, are we supposed to believe the exact same scenario happened twice?
> are we supposed to believe the exact same scenario happened twice?
hey, never say never… again
It's multiverse stuff but not really. You're seeing alternate realities where they're the same guy with the same name but mostly the same storyline like in those dumb Marvel multiverse movies. They do pretend that it's the same person but this angle works better.
Life is a hell of a lot easier when you just start taking every piece of media as it's own "imagining" of a theme, instead of trying to force continuity on everything.
"continuity" is only a problem for autists
True but it's fun.
The official EON-approved canon is that Connery (Dr. No) up until Brosnan and Di Another Day and Everything or Nothing (the game) is the same guy in the same continuity. The longest story told in movies. Craig is a codename though.
>Craig is a codename though.
We literally see graves of his parents in Skyfall and they're both named Bond.
And then we see Robert Brown's M and Bernard Lee's M in No Time To Die. He's a codename.
M is actually a code name, they say so directly in the first book, and why wouldn’t that carry over into the movies especially because M is literally a code letter and his name is ‘Em’ like Bond’s name is ‘James Bond’, you dork. M and Q are specifically named after their department, Bond’s code name is 007
and his name isn’t* ‘Em’.
You're non-white, moronic or both.
Elaborate and don't talk like a fricking moron. The presence of those two in paintings in NTTD destroys all continuity of that era and makes Craig out to be a codename.
M being a code name has nothing to do with whether or not James Bond is a code name, we already know Bond’s code name, it’s 007. There is zero reason for you to separate Craig, who is the actor portrayal who actually the most evidence his name is actually James Bond due to his parents’ headstones. The only reason you set Craig aside is because his movie series is a soft reboot, which has nothing to do with whether or not his name is James Bond
But then those paintings make Dalton and Moore canon. Along with Connery. What the actual frick man these people blew apart the most tight film continuity spanning 40 or so years.
Most likely non white they want to steal james bond so bad right now its fricking bizarre.
Anon I don't think people are normally named single letters with no first or last name.
>t.
Those paintings of the previous M absolutely destroy both continuities. The person in charge of the franchise is a woman so this is not surprising.
>Those paintings of the previous M absolutely destroy both continuities.
How? They already shared an M with Judi Dench
Yes but they swept it under the rug by giving her different names and she acts differently and dresses differently. With that, they pretty much undid the whole era of Craig and made it pointless. Him dying also leads credence to that theory. Plus, let's be real here. Craig does not look, act or is in anyway like the character of James Bond. he's some other spy character they gave the iconography to so you and I would be baited into watching it.
Well the code name stuff is sort of based on the true MI6 leader tradition, all become C signed with green ink.
M is a codename. No shit. Why would someone be called "M" as a real name? James Bond's codename is 007.
‘James Bond is a code name’ asserters are some of the most Reddit people alive. I’m sure you’re full of hare brained theories and watch through the movie without actually watching the movie itself. Like you’re more concerned with some arcane made up trivia than you are the actual movie, like you think you have to dig up some special secret like the movie doesn’t have an actual plot or details of its own
Only Craig is a codename, the rest are the same guy. This is evident by his appearance alone.
Stop.
No, it’s not, Bond is on both of Craig’s parents’ tombstones
True but that was until No Time To Die which canonised Dalton and Connery's Ms which pretty much gives away the fact this is the same world as classic Bond. I like to think of it as Bond retiring or being disavowed or captured and this guy was MK Ultra'd in becoming Bond by MI6 to keep up his name and reputation. CIA has probably done something like this. Also, refer to
No, see
It's easier but not as satisfying as being able to enjoy a story that does its best to remain consistent throughout. I don't mind retcons that much but it's annoying when it happens so blatantly that it takes you out of the story to try and put together why things work differently from how you were made to understand they had previously.
obviously he wasnt 30 from the 60s to the 90s but you have to suspend your belief
The one not made by EON?
>roger more actually kills bloefeld in that ridiculous helicopter scene
That was kino
IN STAINLESS STEEL!
It's not, it's just a dumb fourth wall break they put in as an inside joke. Connery's Bond until Brosnan's Bond are the same person in the same continuity. That only applies to Daniel Craig's James Bond who his last movie made clear he's an imposter and the real James Bond (Connery-Brosnan) is still out there, retired or disavowed.
This. Only Daniel Craig is a codename imposter.
Craig's is literally the only one 100% confirmed to have always been named James Bond, down to seeing his childhood home and hearing about his parents.
So Craig was the real Bond all along and the rest are codenamed after him
Barbara is loving this I'm sure. frick's sake she's cancer.
Doesn't confirm anything, it can be worked into the theory. The theory also states that only Connery is the real James Bo
-nd and that he is also John Mason in The Rock and his capture lead to them employing a program recruiting new agents to continue his service under the same name so they don't have to establish themselves and to make him more of a symbol of MI6's competence than a man.
>Doesn't confirm anything, it can be worked into the theory
>The man named James Bond has a codename that is also James Bond!
>James Bond is a code name given to top agents.
I hate you stupid redditors who push this moronic bullshit. have a nice day
Explain the opening scene of For Your Eyes Only, in which Roger Moore's Bond puts flowers on the grave of his wife, Tracy, who was married to and died in Lazenby's Bond, On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Said scene was scripted specifically because they had expected to have a new Bond actor, Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton both being contenders, before Moore decided to return after all, and they wanted to have a scene immediately establishing to the audience this is the same character even if he has a new actor.
They did a similar thing for OHMSS when Lazenby's Bond goes through his desk at MI6 and is shown to have kept momentos from his past missions like Honey Ryder's dagger and Red Grant's garrotte watch
And in Skyfall by having Craig's Bond have the classic Aston Martin in a private lockup and seem very attached to it.
It's a family name. All the Bonds are inheritors of a long and distinguished tradition.
Hahahaha is that Dr No, that’s fricking hilarious
No it isn't.
Lazenby's Bond goes through his desk of gadgets reminiscing when he was played by Connery.
Moore's Bond mourned Tracy's death.
Leiter mentions that Dalton's Bond was married a long time ago.
Also Diamonds are forever explains via Blofeld that the appearance and voices of characters can change with plastic surgery and a voice modulator.
The actual answer to James Bond canon is that you're not supposed to take the films so seriously, and that little nods like Moore leaving roses at Tracy's grave are just that - little nods. It's all canon, and none of it is.
He’s given fallen names plenty of times in the movies, then goes by James Bond to get the attention of the villain. Why would he need a fake name and then use his real fake name??? Also doesn’t his butler call him James/ master Bond in Skyfall?
the whole goku backstory from being a clever twist of superman to being an actual copy
God that sucked ass. That and the retcon of that one chick being Broly before Broly so that in his own movie he's offhandedly remarked as being similar to her since he's the second legendary super saiyan they encounter. That Superman backstory ripoff about ruined the whole movie for me though, I love Bardock's original movie. An honest to goodness villain through and through who is forced to experience an almost religious spiritual awakening, only for his life to be cut short before he can do anything that matters. Tragic in a sense but not really in a sympathetic way since he's such a bad dude. And then they throw it away for the most derivative ripoff of Superman's origins possible. I have no idea what they were thinking, what a bunch of hacks. nuDB is so toothless.
Since people already mentioned The Quickening, I'll say the flip-flopping with Rey's parents in the Sequel Trilogy
>"ooohh who are Rey's parents??? Don't you wanna know that and keep giving me money so you can find that out?"
>"ACKSHUALLY they're nobody, junk traders who sold her for booze"
>"ACKSHUALLY ACKSHUALLY one of them was the son/daughter of Emperor Palpatine, and they REALLY sold her to keep her safe"
It was just the funniest shit seeing two filmmakers have a narrative slap fight with each other like that.
The flip flopping between "actually forget everything in the last movie" twice is so fricking funny
I would have been completely fine with TLJ's answer if Rey felt more like a scrapper who had to become good at being a jedi through hard work. Like she's nobody, she came from nothing, and she built herself up to get strong enough for Kylo to acknowledge her strength and Snokes to see her as a potential threat or asset. You know, like a regular hero. Instead we got Captain Marvel witha lightsaber.
>Who wants to watch me take a big fat diarrhea all over everything that was set up in TLJ.
>Now clean it up jannie.
He never juggled
Game of thrones. The whole entire season 7 drama was with Jon not bending the knee and Danerys not helping him if he didn't, then at the end they both change their minds. Season 8 first episode they retcon it that Jon just bent the knee to get her help which makes the whole season before pointless
In the sopranos when jackie is introduced he's threatening hispanics with a glock and making moves with his buddy dino. Then the next time he shows up he works a job with chrissy and then he suddenly turns into little lord frickpants and has to ask ralphie for a piece and selling xtc to meadow
Most of that's not a retcon, Chrissy lets him be the getaway driver for one job and then Tony steps in and tells him to never involve Jackie in his plans again. He then goes back to doing small time stuff, like selling X with Dino again. The only retcon is him asking Ralphie for a pistol when he already has one.
The entirety of all canon dragon ball content starting with battle of the gods. I wish that series stayed retired. Everything they've done except for Super Broly has been mediocre.
DBS
not sure if it's considered retcon, but transformium
I don't know either but that was the most moronic shit ever
>beats pill
I only dislike this for pretty much the same reason I dislike Tony's suit in Infinity War or Black Panther's suit, I just don't like when something that could otherwise have a cooler and more intricate transformation has some lazy "and then it just appears" style of implementation. This isn't exactly that but "liquifies then unliquifies into other form" is similar enough and not nearly as fun as watching a vehicle assemble itself into a humanoid form without completely breaking itself apart.
Even while his suits got more advanced and didn't require a massive machine just to put it on, it was neat seeing his tech change to where a smaller machine put it on, then it could be put on in parts, then could be remote piloted, etc. The sudden shift to magic nanomachines is lame, it removes all tangibility from the armor.
We need the chinese audience: The Movie
When they retconned Truman being friendly and at the top of his class in elementary and high school but then in the later seasons he's a college dropout with 0 friends
The theatrical ending where he dies was retconed in favor of the dvd one where he survives to make a sequel
The one where he survives is the original ending and it is a large part of the theme of the entire movie. The theatrical one was an abomination.
>tragedy ending is an abomination
No, you just love capeshit endings.
>you just love capeshit endings.
You mean like "I blow up bad guy!!!"?
There is no tragedy
If he dies he basically learned nothing
The point of him being alive is realizing the other side is "human" too
Yep, which was a big thing in the book. He's a "legend" because he's the fricking boogeyman to them, which Neville only realises at the very end.
That's why it's a good thing that they're retconning the theatrical ending and also proof that anon is a moron who can't into themes.
With the book though, the creatures were far more human(those that chose to be anyway). The book is far sadder and tragic though. He literally was the last of the human race and he was the one viewed as the monster. I would have loved to see an adaptation closer to the book than what we got.
will smith wouldve never played a character that is overtly evil in the end as he is just hunting the monsters even though they have basically built a new society
Book Neville isn't evil, though. He's merely a relic from a lost world.
Well yeah, they were vampires instead of zombies. The Will Smith movie is a poor adaptation, but it isn't too bad of a movie.
I never watched the one with Charlton Heston. I wonder if it's any good.
Explain how the original ending is "capeshit" and how the theatrical ending is "not capeshit".
The theatrical ending was fricking terrible and added thanks to the usual idiot test screenings, even though it makes no sense with the rest of the film. The ending where he lives is considerably closer to the tone of the book AND the rest of the film, loose of an adaptation as it is.
This, the original, cut ending:
>His dead child's butterfly thing helps him stand down and realize the creatures are still human at some level, not just rabid beasts.
Theatrical:
>"DADDY LOOK A BUTTERFLY, TIME TO BLOW YOURSELF UP!!!"
The scrapped ending is a lot more in line with the book so I really don't care.
>movie shows they aren't mindless pretty early
>then they set a trap to catch him
>then they finally find him and he allows them to take the girl one and they leave
>stupid big fat slob 40 year old moms at the test screening "huuuhh? wuuuhhh?"
>James Bond (Sean Connery) meets Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Donald Pleasence) for the first time in You Only Live Twice.
>Then James Bond (George Lazenby) meets Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Telly Savalas) for the first time again in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Blofeld also dies twice, and not in an ‘you only live twice’ type of way either, what’s your point
>what’s your point
It's literally in my post, moron. On Her Majesty's Secret Service is the most baffling classic Bond film because the entire schtick is discovering Blofeld for the first time. The audience is supposed to pretend he wasn't the main bad guy in the previous movie.
It's because Lazenby's movie was a direct adaptation of the earlier novel that happened before You Only Die Twice, which created that continuity issue. There were plans to fix that plot hole by mentioning that Bond changed his face between movies for the mission, but those were abandoned during production.
So what I said was true...
>From a certain point of view.
Aside from ones that have already been said, Pacific Rim 2 was pretty fricking absolutely god damn horrible
Evie in The Mummy 3
That's a recast not a retcon.
>The Mummy 3
Wait, people watched the Mummy 3?
Turning Lambert into a troony
>first half of S1: the main boss is in jail, Tony and Junior are fighting for the acting boss role
>second half of S1: actually they were competing for the real boss role all along, Junior is now the actual boss in jail and Tony is the acting boss on the street
....
>TMSON: actually that real imprisoned boss was real all long
Not only a mid-season retcon, but then retconning the retcon 20 years later?
>Played by 75 year old David Chase in TMSON
>He'd be 100+ years old at the start of the Sopranos
would be kino if old man dimeo came back from prison and took over once tony dies or gets jailed
>S1: Tell my mother I sold the house
>S2: Tell my mother I'm putting the house up for sale
really, Chase?
Scream 3.
If you know you know.
the whole of season 9 of Dallas is just some woman's coma dream
This and it was a huge deal at the time. Think it was that moment that opened to door to others to do the same and more. It's common now but back then you couldn't just erase old stories of that magnitude because they were inconvenient. You could however get away with some errors in continuity as the internet didn't exist for people to nitpick everything and rewatching was limited to reruns or your ability to record episodes if you had a VCR.
I respect Dallas season 9 being a dream simply for it not having been done ever before on that scale and the reveal being such a mind frick to the audience. I respect them having the balls to do it.
Anakin having his own padawan that survives every event up to and past the OT and is never seen or mentioned in the films but, despite doing absolutely NOTHING, is actually a super important character that everyone reveres and absolutely no one is sick to death of.
Ahsoka doesn't even seem like a great fighter either, Baylon shit on her in the duel.
This, she's a fricking Poochie..
>Uh, one: Ahsoka needs to be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine.
>Two: Whenever Ahsoka's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Orange Buttcheeks?"
this exact frame is where nu wars started and you can't convince me otherwise
In the Season 5 finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Anya's troll ex-boyfriend suddenly being "the Troll God" simply so they can use the same hammer prop in the fight with Glory.
I remember they retconned that Buffy all of a sudden had a younger sister. Dropped the show right there and then.
You cheeky fricker
But she's always had a younger sister.
She was a fricking KEY who wasn't shaped like a key.
Like, tell me why turning her into a teenager was better than making her into a literal key lost in Buffy's drawer.
You're talking crazy. Buffy has always had a younger sister named Dawn.
Yellowstone season 2 spent the first 4 episodes systematically undoing everything that had happened in season 1, including retconning the main bad guy's death and the entire plot about the son taking on the father in a political campaign that had been built up all throughout the first season.
Needless to say I stopped watching
because its a soap anon not good television just something mindless with cliffhangers and retcons to keep people drawn in
Never actually seen it (not counting the Family Guy reference) but this has got to be the all time #2.
#1 is Yahweh being the ONLY God.
It's funny that Bobby remained dead in their spin-off show.
It was ALL a dream
Spectre, Blofeld being behind EVERYTHING that happened to Bond. Oh and also being his stepbrother or something
And QUANTUM, the evil organization, is actually a front for SPECTRE, the other evil organization.
Those movies never stood a chance when they cast some Putin offspring as James Bond. What a joke. Russians love it though, he's their favourite Bond obviously because of that.
You need therapy. Media propaganda has completely mindbroken you.
It was very bold of Barbara to rip-off Puss in Boots, you have to admit.
I'll click on anything with a pale girl on it. IM SICK OF BEING CONTROLLED LIKE THIS
Beyond the pale
You sick FRICK!
Would hug
Leia telling Luke about her childhood memories of their mother in Return of the Jedi, but then in Revenge of the Sith, Padme dies immediately after giving birth.
To be fair, Padme abandoning Luke to an absolutely shit life in comparison to Leia just looks awful. I think the retcon was better
Not really a retcon since it's not a stretch to assume she's talking about her adopted mother, plus IIRC she is never actually told Bail and Breha aren't her biological parents until Luke tells her they're siblings
Oh wait, I meant for to be a response to
she hid Luke, she didn't hide Leia
She hid Luke with Anakins closest living relatives? It just doesn’t make sense no matter how you cut it, so I prefer Padme not abandoning one of her children and raising the other in privilege.
Hide the boy in plain site, Vader is never returning to Tatooine, his mother was murdered on that ball of shit and he avenged her, Padme witnessed it.
>Somehow ... Palpatine returned...
I didn't watch that shitty movie though, just saw the shitposting about it on Cinemaphile.
TROS was nonstop rewrites to force a lackluster attempt at a "conclusion"
Zombie Simpsons had an unbelievable one. Fat Tony dies, so his identical cousin "Fit Tony" takes over the Springfield mob. Then he starts to stress eat...
On the topic of the Simpsons there's of course the infamous Principle and the Pauper episode that retconned Principle Skinner into being an imposter who is inexplicably mind broken and subservient to a woman who isn't actually his mother. An episode that was hated and ignored by the writers before it even aired.
>An episode that was hated and ignored by the writers before it even aired.
Then why did they write it
>Then why did they write it
Seemed like a good idea at the time. Basically they all thought it was real clever while they were writing it then after the scripts were out and the Koreans were already animating it they realized they'd fricked up and everyone was going to hate it. But by then it was too late, the episode was animated and not using it would have killed the budget.
principal and the pauper was a good episode and nobody gives a shit about simpsons lore
I don't mind fricking around with random background stuff for the sake of a joke, but Skinner's background was a frequent source of comedy in his scenes and one of the more well elaborated ones on the show, with his war flashbacks and photographs and whatnot, so it was dumb to suddenly say it all wasn't real.
She's weird looking but I can't describe why. It's like the uncanny valley effect.
Just looks cute to me
The only thing I've ever seen this girl do is kill Dewey, but goddamn I'd do her.
She has unflattering angles where she looks derpy and some of her face features show more in certain photos with clear cast shadows, when her face is fully lit she looks 9/10
Don't worry, you're correct. She's just goofy looking, but still hot. It happens. Some women are ugly and still hot.
She is unusual looking but in a good way, cute eyes, pouty lips, very pale.
Melly's prophecy to Arya in S3.
>you're going to degenerate into a psychopathic killer with only a thin link remaining that might bring you back to Arya Stark, a sad consequence of growing up alone in a war torn land surrounded by death and cruelty
>Wait actually you're going to become a cool badass anime super assassin and kill the leader of the Others
>due to the time dilation and gravity, every hour spent on this planet is equal to 7 years on earth
>roughly every NINE MINUTES is a YEAR
>can only see water for as far as the eye can see
>are able to detect that it's only several feet deep before even touching down
>regardless still lands on the planet and GETS OUT TO WALK AROUND
>instead of just flying around for a few minutes where they'd clearly see the massive wall of fricking water that arrives not even 10 minutes later
I love this movie but holy shit this was some weak writing just as an excuse to get rid of a character early-on
I don't think any of that is a retcon
disregard I suck wieners
The Timeless Child
Never seen something more obvious that it would ignored by all future writers
>that it would ignored by all future writers
The current showrunner is actively embracing it and has already drawn attention to it several times
I'll be honest I haven't seen any of the newest series
Lucky you. Chibnall retconned the Doctor as being from another dimension. He was a little black girl who got experimented on by ancient Gallifreyans when they discovered she could regenerate. They stole the secret of regeneration from her before erasing her memories.
Anyway. The woman Doctor tanked the show so bad they brought RTD back, and he made her regenerate back into Tennant.
Tennant was then talked down by Donna's troony son, discovered that he was a homosexual now, and then bigenerated.
Yes, "bigenerated". So instead of dying and being replaced by another actor, Tennant underwent mitosis as a gay Nigerian popped out of him.
They even cloned the TARDIS so they could both have one. From the footage it's clear that Tennant kept the original, but RTD damage controled it by saying that no, the black Doctor was the one with the real TARDIS, actually.
So now TennantDoc is still alive and DW is following the BlackDoc around. The Zest Lord Victorious.
And they finally got a cute companion again, just in time for the Doctor himself to be unwatchable.
She's already out, anon. She's being replaced by a pajeeta.
I thought folks really liked her so far?
She's a wet blanket only coomers care about her. She's inoffensive.
>And they finally got a cute companion again,
She's just been sacked and replaced by a Pajeeta too.
Huh? Why?
Too white.
There's been a rumour going around that she was difficult to work with, although it legit would not surprise me if that's been seeded by the production team (same as how they fricked over Eccleston when he quit)
She signed on for 2 years, and has already filmed a handful of episodes for the 2025 season, so it looks like it was a late-stage decision rather than something planned in advance. Might be that she's asked to be released for other work, or they really just shitcanned her due to friction
She was on Coronation Street for a while, never saw any talk of problems there, in fact she was a big focus it seems with some major stories.
booba
Nice breasts lady
To be fair 1 to 2 series is about the average for a companion in Doctor Who going back to the start, there's only a few that were there for 3+ years
Sounds like something that could be easily retconned right back out of existence
>I'M THE TIME(LESS) CHILD!
How is the show version of this?
Good.
This is the puppet show with horror stuff in it y es? Is it worth watching?
Yes.
Don't Hug Me I'm Scared, yes.
It's good. The show turns it from surreal semi-horror to dark comedy, but the core concept is still the same, and the main trio still act the same, so it still works. It's still got that "there is something sinister taking place behind the scenes" vibe throughout the episodes. I really hope they make a second season.
Really fricking good considering how fricking short their YouTube shit was.
I went in with the expectation that it was just gonna be the YT vids but lazily stretched out and was pleasantly surprised. It's pretty fricking funny.
This gives me an aneurysm a heart attack and a stroke all at once every time I remember it. In fact I swithowirheAROENO IH OEIAR EOIA i ohs ioaehi eha na
Who is this cutie
That is Mikey Madison
Purdy
Disney's Doug Both versions of Doug suck, but Disney's is 100 times worse
Anything Doctor Who after the eleventh one. It's a godawful mess that sounds like a parody of modern media.
>though it was some thinly veiled K-pop thread
>it's just Mikey Madison
But that's better than a K-Pop thread.
That is in fact much better.
In the first season of The Sopranos, Tony & co. sell Livia's house while she's in the retirement home, but in the second season, the family still has the house and they decide to take it off the market. Granted, I think the narrative is bettered by this, but it's still pretty blatant
Season 1 of sopranos has lots of little weird stuff, especially episode 1. Carmella with an ak47, Silvio asking if Tony knows who Artie is, Tony beating up/killing people in broad daylight.
Oh wow I don't think the Artie thing even registered with me since I didn't know who Artie was just yet
Vito buying donuts to bring home to his boyfriend before being run out of the shop by Chrissy.
I know it's not really a retcon, but just going off of the dialogue in the movies themselves and all, I miss when Darth Vader was considered a "Dark Side Jedi" and not a Sith.
Every live action/cg Transformers movie
>There is actually a secret ultimate MacGuffin from Cybertron, and the bad guys want it, and....it's on Earth!
Which Transformers film am I talking about?
In IT chapter 1 Beverly has a fight with her dad after he found he poem, right afterwards she’s kidnapped by It. In IT chapter 2 she retrieves the poem which is now hidden in her wall.
You can't expect a cocaine addled writer to keep track of everything in his book.
The retcon to end all retcons.
It still hurts what they did with him when they brought him back, he should have stayed gone, he was so good in his first appearance and then they turned him into moronic Vegeta
He was actually just fine up until Free Riders. Sure there was 2005, but he had amnesia so I give him a pass. Battle, Heroes, 06, even Rivals he was decent.
I'll be honest, during that era I only played 06, which I liked his personality in, the others didn't really appeal to me. But I still think his character is weaker than it could be because of dumb internet memes and the meta era. Hopefully the third movie does a lot of heavy lifting to correct course
>What is the most egregious retcon you can recall seeing in a show or film?
The last episode of the medical drama St. Elsewhere reveals that the entire show was just the imaginings of an autistic boy staring at a snow globe with a hospital in it.
There is absolutely no clue to this whatsoever until the last 5 minutes of the last episode.
But why? This is just so fricking insane and nonsensical and a malicious sick joke to people who watched the show.
Iron Man 3, the entire plot of the movie he has to hook himself up to a car battery, he has an infinite energy generator in his chest which was the plot of the first two movies.
The entire DCU retconning itself in real time over the years
Malcolm in the Middle, Francis has like the worst luck all the time and always gets caught doing moronic shit and always gets punished, then in one of the later seasons he asserts to his gf/wife that he actually has super luck and that things always work out, then gets immediately hired at some dream job by that one farmer guy. What a fricking crock of shit, and you can't tell me "well maybe from his perspective he thinks he's lucky" because he knows he isn't, it was just some extremely lazy writing moment to get him from point A all the way to point Z with no effort.
What is the most egregious retcon you can recall seeing on this very website?
Cinemaphile being a place you come to act like an butthole.
Redditors really just came here for "it's like reddit but you can say the n word!" back in the day
>will smith wouldve never played a character that is overtly evil
He killed a bunch of that one guy's family and friends in MIB
Okay, so this retcon didn't actually exist, but I remember thinking there was one in the premiere of the third season of Power Rangers.
>What I remembered:
As Rito is defeating the Thunder Zords, Zordon tells the Rangers "The flux of power could ultimately strip you of your new Ranger powers."
>What I thought this meant:
I assumed that "new Ranger powers" was in reference to the Great Power Ninjetti powers the Rangers had just acquired in MMPR: The Movie when they fought Ivan Ooze, and that they'd been retconned into simply being a restoration/upgrade of the original dinosaur powers instead of the new ninja powers, explaining why the Rangers were using the Thunder Zords again. So I thought this meant that Rito Revolto was about to destroy the powers that beat Ivan Ooze.
>What actually happened:
There was no retcon. Zordon actually says "The flux of power could ultimately strip you of your Ranger powers," not "your new Ranger powers"; MMPR: The Movie was not in continuity with the TV show, not even a retconned version of it; and I was just a dumb child who misheard things.
all of Dragon Ball Super (except for the Super Broly movie) trying to cram itself into the established timeline before the End of Z. i could name a lot of individual offenses, like retconning how Potara earrings work, but i'll just keep it short and sweet instead and leave it at that.
>i could name a lot of individual offenses
Such as the super broly movie itself
the entirety of this show
>oops, looks like the main character was transported into a parallel universe, no he isn't gonna return to the original one, the last 2 seasons of development for any character other than him didn't matter
>oops, turns out the whole season was actually the main characters trapped in a computer simulation, nothing that happened matters
they did this shit like 3-4 times
shouldve just imagined greater plots anon
thats a good point he did murder a bunch of that one guys family and they just wanted some sugar water
I can’t find an image of this but if you’re talking egregious, one must consider the Dick Tracy arc in which Tracy is buried alive. Chester Gould was working without a net and couldn’t come up with a way for Tracy to be rescued. He finally resorted to drawing his own hand plucking Tracy out of a panel and sending him on his way, with an apology to the reader.
There was another similar incident where Tracy was trapped in a pit sealed shut by a boulder. In that one Gould got him out by retconning the pit into a ventilation shaft for a subway tunnel or some such, so Tracy could alert the workmen below and effect a rescue.
>finally resorted to drawing his own hand plucking Tracy out of a panel and sending him on his way
I can respect that.
Nearly the entire runtime of Rise of Skywalker.
>somehow...
Dallas annulling a full season (30+ episodes) as just a dream because an actor that had quit the show (and was declared dead in the show) decided to come back for the next season.