This shit always confused me. I know DC heroes are OP, but why not just give them bigger challenges to deal with instead of giving them gay ass weaknesses to bring them down to the level of random normies?
>why not just give them bigger challenges to deal with
easy, sooner or later you reach the narrative equivalent of bedrock. It's boring to write and boring to read a constant circle jerk between the MC and whatever bad guy they're fighting. Intrigue comes from struggle, from learning to rise above circumstances. It also helps for the stronger heroes out there to have both high level stakes and low level stakes.
Kek. It wouldn't be so bad if it at least made sense according to light physics. At least you could argue red is the "opposite" and cancels it out or that black "absorbs" it or that white/silver/mirror deflects it.
>Kryptonite is supposed to make Superman sick
It's not exactly consistent, sometimes it makes him sick, sometimes it makes him weak and vulnerable, sometimes it takes away his powers, sometimes it does multiple these at once.
Red sunlight does consistently takes his powers away.
Red Light is not consistent and it's stupid that it instantly takes his powers away. The idea is Kyrptonian's lived under a weaker red sun which was too weak to empower them, not that it weakened them, a red sun should be more beneficial than a dark room.
This, they always say that Superman's cells are somehow charged with energy from the yellow sun, so, if you expose him to a red sun he should not even weaken, but rather with time or excessive use of his powers, he would become more weak
No, the idea since the golden age was that the red sunlight strips him of his powers and only yellow sunlight gives him powers. They even had stories where Lex would put like a giant eyelense against the sun to change just the color of its light and it would btfo superman instantly. You don’t know shit and you’re making shit up to cope
Red giants are way stronger than yellow stars too
On the radio show some gangsters found out that kryptonite made Superman weak and semi-conscious but he was still invulnerable, so they just chucked him under some floorboards and waited, hoping he would starve to death. Pretty morbid shit.
The problem is he has been weak to magic under certain writers, weaker than a normal human, some writers had it where he couldn't physically hurt a creature of magic directly so would need to hurt them indirectly.
The magic weakness has always been dumb, the Sun and Kryptonite are already all he needs.
Also the magic weakness is pointless because magic characters in DC are already powerful enough to destroy planets and magic itself already ignore durability, it does matter how durable Superman is, that's irrelevant if Zatanna use a spell that turn people into bunnies.
>The magic weakness has always been dumb
It's not just real magic, even things like prayer will drain Superman's powers.
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and again it's dumb as frick and pointless
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The leaps of reason you have to take to even begin to enjoy this stuff. This basically implies the pope could punch Superman
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>This basically implies the pope could punch Superman
I'd love a comic where Constantine realises that the only way to save Rome some demon attack is to explain to the Vatican how to harness all the power of belief and how they have to do it to empower the Pope enough to save the day with his fists. Then after the evil is defeated the Pope of course starts to have ideas about using his new strength to enact a new crusade to take over the world in the name of himself, typical power-trip stuff, but ol' con-job has a trick up his sleeve to make the powers fizzle out enough that he can slap some sense into the old man. Like invoking some ancient covenant made between the Popes and God and that the Pope hasn't fulfilled, stripping him of his title and thus his powers.
>the Sun and Kryptonite are already all he needs
nah Kryptonite and red sunlight gets old fast
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>2 weakness get old fast
Anon that's more weakness than the vast majority of all heroes, Wonder Woman currently got no weakness, just like Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man, Flash etc
More weakness than that and you will have either to forget one of the weakness and barely mention it or constantly make stories about weakness which would get old fast. 3 weakness is way too much
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Yes, but him being vulnerable to magic makes sense.
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It doesn't because everybody is vulnerable to magic, and it makes no sense that only Superman is specially weak to magic but not Martian Manhunter, Starfire and the many other aliens in DC universe
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>It doesn't because everybody is vulnerable to magic
Yes, that's why it makes sense that he is too.
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So it's not really his weakness right? Just like bullets aren't Spider-Man weakness even though it can kill him.
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Superman is weak to magic because it undermines his powers which means with magic being used against him he's just some dude and hasn't Batmaned to be a Batman.
I get that silver, running water, and garlic come from "vampirism" being related to diseases and such and those three are all either anti-disease or good at fighting them off. Never understood where having to count rice and untie knots came from though.
This. This is the dumbest one. Also the one about stealing a sock. The "can only enter" if invited has varying levels of stupid. Like if I have a welcome mat does that automatically allow vampires in?
Running water is lamer. I can buy vampires not being able to swim because of their curse/mutation (even Alucard needed a power-up for that in SOTN) but if they can't so much as walk across a bridge or jump over a small creek it just looks stupid.
Running water is just a holdover from vampires being related to Rabies, which is obviously also called hydrophobia.
Rivers are often linked to spiritual ideas, but also create defensible boundaries for your home/civilisation. People with rabies are averse to water. Christians bless water. All of that stuff eventually merges into the same mythos eventually. Then you throw in the bat stuff and it all becomes more cohesive since bats also become vectors for disease.
Werewolves are born from the superstition of lunacy and known rabid attacks, Vampires from serial killers and the symptoms of things like rabies. So the "lame" stuff like fear of the water is the most interesting stuff that sticks around, lore-wise since that's going right back to the origins of the mythology.
Depends on whether you're going with a "cursed, demonic entity" angle or "monster race" angle. Silver as a weakness works for both, garlic works better for monster angle and water being a spiritual power makes sense for a demon angle.
There was that goofy Dracula vs Santa comic where Dracula tried to kill and usurp Santa Claus to bypass the invitation weakness, because Santa by his nature is considered invited to every house. Dracula lost, but turned Santa in the process so things were still potentially fricked.
In Monster Squad Dracula gets his face burned with a piece of pizza with garlic topping by the fat kid, but also mangles an entire squad of cops in the same movie. It's a good reminder that he might've been considered a joke by that point in horror history but he was still a fricking monster.
That's kind of like silver for werewolves. Both are REALLY old beliefs of the thing warding off evil in general, whether it's demons or the evil eye/curses or other dark magic. It's so old we don't even know why the frick it got started, just that medieval peasants thought it would protect them from demons and curses. Vampires/werewolves were among those various evils it protected you from but then Dracula came along and cemented it as the vampire thing. With silver it's at least a more thematically direct, because of the ties between the look of silver and the moon, with maybe its original protective powers coming from the powerful moon god meant to keep you safe at night when the sun god was away.
Nah. If anything it would make Luthor sterile and mega flaccid. Also he would need red kryptonite to try and give him a pair of breasts. Rape doesn't end properly unless you breastfeed your victim after all.
>anything in raw and unprocessed state
How the frick does this make any sense? If she's vulnerable to wood (grown) substance she might as well be vulnerable to any human physical attacks
At what point does a stick become unnatural?
Would I need to hit her with a stick that fell off a tree or can I pull it from the tree myself? Does simply sharpening one end give her immunity to it?
I agree, the fire weakness being biological never made any sense and there was no way they could properly explain it, Martians can completely change themselves at sub-molecular level there is no way fire would be a problem to them, being mental is the only way to keep it without it being bad writting.
I agree, the fire weakness being biological never made any sense and there was no way they could properly explain it, Martians can completely change themselves at sub-molecular level there is no way fire would be a problem to them, being mental is the only way to keep it without it being bad writting.
It kind of has to be trauma considering the martian civilization is far more advanced than humans and everyone was near kryptoinain level in power. Otherwise having those leeps in tech without the fire discovery is stupid.
Daxomites are another dumb group with their weakness to lead.
If you're at the point where you're fricking aliens across the galaxy then it is kind of weird to be that repulsed. Should have just had him be disappointed because he was expecting a vag, making him go find some weird tentacle alien just because it happens to have a vag-like hole.
To be fair, Bats wouldn't be doing so hot if he was stabbed in the torso with that same knife.
>b-but what if batman
Rent free, supergay.
>Knifeproof vest
What now Lugay?
Supes should really invest in some basic protection against exactly this kind of bullshit.
Nta, but there was a thread a long time ago complaining about how Batman got stabbed in a comic.
Weakness to the color yellow.
Wood was worst.
This shit always confused me. I know DC heroes are OP, but why not just give them bigger challenges to deal with instead of giving them gay ass weaknesses to bring them down to the level of random normies?
DC heroes have outlived their writers, they can no longer be changed.
Do you even read DC comics?
No one reads DC comics though. Not even the adapters read comics. They look at pictures.
>not read comics
>complain about them
Frick off then
>why not just give them bigger challenges to deal with
They literally always do that, in pretty much every story.
Ok, so maybe take out the dumbass weaknesses now?
Why did they feel the need to introduce the dumb weaknesses then, genius?
>why not just give them bigger challenges to deal with
easy, sooner or later you reach the narrative equivalent of bedrock. It's boring to write and boring to read a constant circle jerk between the MC and whatever bad guy they're fighting. Intrigue comes from struggle, from learning to rise above circumstances. It also helps for the stronger heroes out there to have both high level stakes and low level stakes.
Most of the dumbass weaknesses are holdovers from the Silver Age and have only stuck around because they're sacred cows.
Kek. It wouldn't be so bad if it at least made sense according to light physics. At least you could argue red is the "opposite" and cancels it out or that black "absorbs" it or that white/silver/mirror deflects it.
DAMN YOU AND YOUR LEMONADE!
It's piss.
The power of friendship
That is every villain's weakness ever.
Beat me to it.
Kryptonite is supposed to make Superman sick, not stabbable. Red light is what takes his powers away.
>Logic
Frick off
Why is Superman the poster boy of having street levelers beat and humiliate him? Does DC hate him that much?
As a israeli kid Siegel childhood was mostly about watching Popeye and reading tales about Samson and The Golem of Prague.
So to him an invincible hero with limtless strenght that can only be defeated through a weakness was just natural.
In that comic where he gets shot by Hex he dies a bunch of times. It's from an early Superman Batman run with interdimensional shifts.
>Kryptonite is supposed to make Superman sick
It's not exactly consistent, sometimes it makes him sick, sometimes it makes him weak and vulnerable, sometimes it takes away his powers, sometimes it does multiple these at once.
Red sunlight does consistently takes his powers away.
Red Light is not consistent and it's stupid that it instantly takes his powers away. The idea is Kyrptonian's lived under a weaker red sun which was too weak to empower them, not that it weakened them, a red sun should be more beneficial than a dark room.
This, they always say that Superman's cells are somehow charged with energy from the yellow sun, so, if you expose him to a red sun he should not even weaken, but rather with time or excessive use of his powers, he would become more weak
No, the idea since the golden age was that the red sunlight strips him of his powers and only yellow sunlight gives him powers. They even had stories where Lex would put like a giant eyelense against the sun to change just the color of its light and it would btfo superman instantly. You don’t know shit and you’re making shit up to cope
Red giants are way stronger than yellow stars too
Yes, but it doesn't make sense.
On the radio show some gangsters found out that kryptonite made Superman weak and semi-conscious but he was still invulnerable, so they just chucked him under some floorboards and waited, hoping he would starve to death. Pretty morbid shit.
Being sick makes him stabbable.
>Kryptonite is supposed to
It's a plot device, it does whatever the plot needs it to do. Same thing for red sunlight and magic.
How long until some jackass comes along to say that ACKSHUALLY magic is not a weakness and that he's just vulnerable to it?
Too many Youtube essayists preach this nonsense with made up differences. Weakness and vulnerability are synonymous, and magic has been called both.
The problem is he has been weak to magic under certain writers, weaker than a normal human, some writers had it where he couldn't physically hurt a creature of magic directly so would need to hurt them indirectly.
The problem is usually that how the weakness works is really inconsistent.
The magic weakness has always been dumb, the Sun and Kryptonite are already all he needs.
Also the magic weakness is pointless because magic characters in DC are already powerful enough to destroy planets and magic itself already ignore durability, it does matter how durable Superman is, that's irrelevant if Zatanna use a spell that turn people into bunnies.
>The magic weakness has always been dumb
It's not just real magic, even things like prayer will drain Superman's powers.
and again it's dumb as frick and pointless
The leaps of reason you have to take to even begin to enjoy this stuff. This basically implies the pope could punch Superman
>This basically implies the pope could punch Superman
I'd love a comic where Constantine realises that the only way to save Rome some demon attack is to explain to the Vatican how to harness all the power of belief and how they have to do it to empower the Pope enough to save the day with his fists. Then after the evil is defeated the Pope of course starts to have ideas about using his new strength to enact a new crusade to take over the world in the name of himself, typical power-trip stuff, but ol' con-job has a trick up his sleeve to make the powers fizzle out enough that he can slap some sense into the old man. Like invoking some ancient covenant made between the Popes and God and that the Pope hasn't fulfilled, stripping him of his title and thus his powers.
>the Sun and Kryptonite are already all he needs
nah Kryptonite and red sunlight gets old fast
>2 weakness get old fast
Anon that's more weakness than the vast majority of all heroes, Wonder Woman currently got no weakness, just like Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man, Flash etc
More weakness than that and you will have either to forget one of the weakness and barely mention it or constantly make stories about weakness which would get old fast. 3 weakness is way too much
Yes, but him being vulnerable to magic makes sense.
It doesn't because everybody is vulnerable to magic, and it makes no sense that only Superman is specially weak to magic but not Martian Manhunter, Starfire and the many other aliens in DC universe
>It doesn't because everybody is vulnerable to magic
Yes, that's why it makes sense that he is too.
So it's not really his weakness right? Just like bullets aren't Spider-Man weakness even though it can kill him.
Superman is weak to magic because it undermines his powers which means with magic being used against him he's just some dude and hasn't Batmaned to be a Batman.
Don't people usually say "it's not a weakness, it just affects him like it would anything else!"?
More or less. His powers don't give him any resistance to magic in particular, but odds are he'll take a fireball better than your average joe still.
That's why it's a weakness.
This is true thoughbeit. He doesn’t fricking shrivel up and die when he’s in the presence of Zatanna.
That stopped being the case decades ago, it's pretty consistent that it both makes him feel sick and bypass his invulnerability now.
The writer's whim
Almost all of the weaknesses vampires have.
But the most pathetic one is "Can't enter house uninvited" what the frick.
How is that more than "If I throw rice on the ground, vampires have an OCD moment and have to count it all."
I get that silver, running water, and garlic come from "vampirism" being related to diseases and such and those three are all either anti-disease or good at fighting them off. Never understood where having to count rice and untie knots came from though.
This. This is the dumbest one. Also the one about stealing a sock. The "can only enter" if invited has varying levels of stupid. Like if I have a welcome mat does that automatically allow vampires in?
Running water is lamer. I can buy vampires not being able to swim because of their curse/mutation (even Alucard needed a power-up for that in SOTN) but if they can't so much as walk across a bridge or jump over a small creek it just looks stupid.
Running water is just a holdover from vampires being related to Rabies, which is obviously also called hydrophobia.
Rivers are often linked to spiritual ideas, but also create defensible boundaries for your home/civilisation. People with rabies are averse to water. Christians bless water. All of that stuff eventually merges into the same mythos eventually. Then you throw in the bat stuff and it all becomes more cohesive since bats also become vectors for disease.
Werewolves are born from the superstition of lunacy and known rabid attacks, Vampires from serial killers and the symptoms of things like rabies. So the "lame" stuff like fear of the water is the most interesting stuff that sticks around, lore-wise since that's going right back to the origins of the mythology.
Depends on whether you're going with a "cursed, demonic entity" angle or "monster race" angle. Silver as a weakness works for both, garlic works better for monster angle and water being a spiritual power makes sense for a demon angle.
The invitation rule seems fine to me. It isn't a huge weakness and adds charm.
There was that goofy Dracula vs Santa comic where Dracula tried to kill and usurp Santa Claus to bypass the invitation weakness, because Santa by his nature is considered invited to every house.
Dracula lost, but turned Santa in the process so things were still potentially fricked.
Let's be honest, they needed dumb weaknesses like that because vampires would be broken otherwise.
In Monster Squad Dracula gets his face burned with a piece of pizza with garlic topping by the fat kid, but also mangles an entire squad of cops in the same movie. It's a good reminder that he might've been considered a joke by that point in horror history but he was still a fricking monster.
WOLFMAN GOT NARDS
funny how it's immediately nullified by mind control/hypnosis
I don't get garlic
That's kind of like silver for werewolves. Both are REALLY old beliefs of the thing warding off evil in general, whether it's demons or the evil eye/curses or other dark magic. It's so old we don't even know why the frick it got started, just that medieval peasants thought it would protect them from demons and curses. Vampires/werewolves were among those various evils it protected you from but then Dracula came along and cemented it as the vampire thing. With silver it's at least a more thematically direct, because of the ties between the look of silver and the moon, with maybe its original protective powers coming from the powerful moon god meant to keep you safe at night when the sun god was away.
>But the most pathetic one is "Can't enter house uninvited" what the frick.
That's the only interesting one.
That's because they combined several traditions into one to make the modern vampire.
>being polite is a weakness
I never.
Fr tho. Can this actually work?
He could never get it up because he wasn't gay.
If he's injecting his dick full of radioactive space crystals I think he can pop a viagra.
Nah. If anything it would make Luthor sterile and mega flaccid. Also he would need red kryptonite to try and give him a pair of breasts. Rape doesn't end properly unless you breastfeed your victim after all.
Why doesn't Batman just rape Superman?
after Joker
The detective work always comes first.
if you rape Superman then you are just as evil as Superman
Didn't he get cancer at one point from over exposure to kryptonite?
Yes
female affection
Thats just simps.
Is liquid Kryptonite just Kryptonite dust mixed with water?
The Devil can't hide in the corner of a round building.
you posted it
Do you think you would be okay, if you were stabbed by a uranium knife?
what about when power girl was weak to anything in its raw and unnatural state?
wow that fricking sucks
>anything in raw and unprocessed state
How the frick does this make any sense? If she's vulnerable to wood (grown) substance she might as well be vulnerable to any human physical attacks
Capeshit writers think they are being clever but are being absolutely moronic. Nothing new.
They just did it for the no plastic jokes didn't they?
At what point does a stick become unnatural?
Would I need to hit her with a stick that fell off a tree or can I pull it from the tree myself? Does simply sharpening one end give her immunity to it?
Is Martian Manhunter's weakness to fire dumb? Because technically a lot of things are weak to fire.
No, the stupid part is that it's because of trauma and it's just mental.
At least that makes more sense than being it being a general weakness to an alien shape-shifter
I agree, the fire weakness being biological never made any sense and there was no way they could properly explain it, Martians can completely change themselves at sub-molecular level there is no way fire would be a problem to them, being mental is the only way to keep it without it being bad writting.
No
It kind of has to be trauma considering the martian civilization is far more advanced than humans and everyone was near kryptoinain level in power. Otherwise having those leeps in tech without the fire discovery is stupid.
Daxomites are another dumb group with their weakness to lead.
Wonder Woman's weakness to bondage is stupid. Then against most of DC's heroes are stupid.
water
The thumbnail made it look like he was twisting Supes' nipples
Lobo being afraid of dicks is pretty moronic.
If you're at the point where you're fricking aliens across the galaxy then it is kind of weird to be that repulsed. Should have just had him be disappointed because he was expecting a vag, making him go find some weird tentacle alien just because it happens to have a vag-like hole.
Subway.
Careful Superman, he'll give you aids.
Bullets
This pic is the reason I dislike superhero comic books. They take itself so serious.
>bad guy stabbing the hero is taking irself seriously
The frick do you want? Dora the Explorer?
There was a Power Girl/Supergirl from an alt universe that was weak to any unprocessed item. She joked that sticks and stones would break her bones.
Super Dude and his Lactose Intolerance.
to be fair they retconned this weakness in SS:KTJL