They don’t have one because they’re a juvenile shitty company. They’ve attempted a few times but never succeeded. They don’t even have a TDKR or a Sandman or anything like them. Pathetic company.
Winter Soldier maybe, since it was probably the Captain America that opened the door for subversion and depth for Cap and actually did feel like a more adult political thriller due to it being a bit more focused on the human level characters
Miracleman is a pretty clear analogue both in terms of audience and content I'd say.
While I agree that it wasn't Marvel until Gaiman's Silver Age, I also say it's entirely different. It's the closest mentioned so far, however.
casuals and their binary narratives are so annoying. there's no Marvel's Watchmen, Watchmen itself isn't even DC's anything. it's just a bitter takedown of golden age DC comic books and rorschach today would be a neonazi but back then he was just a conspiracy nut, funny where that lead to.
>it's just a bitter takedown of golden age DC comic books
Watchmen is about a lot of things, and that isn't one of them.
casuals and their binary narratives are so annoying. there's no Marvel's Watchmen, Watchmen itself isn't even DC's anything. it's just a bitter takedown of golden age DC comic books and rorschach today would be a neonazi but back then he was just a conspiracy nut, funny where that lead to.
i think there's potential for something like watchmen but you'd have to have the right characters for it and the right situation. if it's the "unsolvable problem of war" and a story that's an anti-war message, the characters you'd use for that would be silver surfer, beta ray bill, pre-bendis beast and man thing.
basically the most moral characters who have had a lot of difficulty in succeeding the way they want to, who are good for the sake of being good, and man-thing would be the manhattan foil because it's sort of just an entity that's connected to an all powerful nexus of realities / m'kraan crystal
antagonists would be reed richards because he's authoritarian and captain america because he's just so fricking dumb. probably galactus heralds and the factions in outer space. the kree, skrulls, shiar and others are always stupidly at war even though they're smart enough not to fight
There isn't one. Probably the closest thing I can think of in quality and influence would be like the original Ditko and Kirby runs of the 60s on Spider-man and FF, that's still pretty distant in my opinion. Maybe Kraven's Last Hunt?
They aren't really big political themes aside from some small objectivism in Spider-man maybe, but even that is a bit exaggerated in importance by people. Like I said there isn't an exact parallel to Watchmen from Marvel. You only get so close. Maybe Marvels or Squadron Supreme.
>In DC for years under the three editorial houses , they had Crisis, reboots, messed up continuity, and squabbles, but they produced Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, and Vertigo. In Marvel, they had order, they had 9 years of discipline and consistency, and what did that produce? The New Universe.
Didn't Quesada himself once say that Millar's "Civil War" was originally planned as a kind of answer to "Watchmen", with Cap here being both Rorschach and the Comedian?
They don’t have one because they’re a juvenile shitty company. They’ve attempted a few times but never succeeded. They don’t even have a TDKR or a Sandman or anything like them. Pathetic company.
You still get kids trying to claim the shallow, derivative, characterless shitshow of the Amazing Spider-Cum as "their" TDKR
I always thought people comparing it to DKR was in jest, anon. Because it is a shallow derivative attempt at it. No one seriously thinks that, right?
Watchmen isn't good.
Sandman is for goth losers.
The Twelve? idk
Winter Soldier maybe, since it was probably the Captain America that opened the door for subversion and depth for Cap and actually did feel like a more adult political thriller due to it being a bit more focused on the human level characters
Marvel doesn’t have a Watchmen.
No.
Watchmen is great.
While I agree that it wasn't Marvel until Gaiman's Silver Age, I also say it's entirely different. It's the closest mentioned so far, however.
>it's just a bitter takedown of golden age DC comic books
Watchmen is about a lot of things, and that isn't one of them.
>No.
Yes. It's nowhere near Watchmen's level, but it was written specifically to be Marvel's answer to Watchmen.
Miracleman is a pretty clear analogue both in terms of audience and content I'd say.
Marvel does own the rights now and I like the Gaiman comics but Moore's run wasn't Marvel in any way
Squadron Supreme.
Surpised you were the first to say this
I'm not. Cinemaphile doesn't read comics.
Foolkiller.
No, while it is better than Watchmen, it isn't trying to send a message or say anything.
>while it is better than Watchmen
lol no
Yes.
Bingo Bango Bongo.
No. Foolkiller is pretty middling. I'm surprised it gets a mention at all.
casuals and their binary narratives are so annoying. there's no Marvel's Watchmen, Watchmen itself isn't even DC's anything. it's just a bitter takedown of golden age DC comic books and rorschach today would be a neonazi but back then he was just a conspiracy nut, funny where that lead to.
The Ultimates volume 1
No.
Yes
I don't think of Watchmen as a DC thing and I'm pretty sure nobody else does
I think everyone except for a few people know it's a DC comic.
knows*
Yes I know they published it but if someone said "name a DC superhero" pretty sure they wouldn't say Dr Manhattan.
Just like if you asked someone to name a SEGA character they'd think "Sonic" and not Karl Franz from Total Warhammer
I do, and Rorschach.
Well, I think you're dumb.
Captain Britain? Marvels? Marvel doesn't have a lot of prestige stories.
i think there's potential for something like watchmen but you'd have to have the right characters for it and the right situation. if it's the "unsolvable problem of war" and a story that's an anti-war message, the characters you'd use for that would be silver surfer, beta ray bill, pre-bendis beast and man thing.
basically the most moral characters who have had a lot of difficulty in succeeding the way they want to, who are good for the sake of being good, and man-thing would be the manhattan foil because it's sort of just an entity that's connected to an all powerful nexus of realities / m'kraan crystal
antagonists would be reed richards because he's authoritarian and captain america because he's just so fricking dumb. probably galactus heralds and the factions in outer space. the kree, skrulls, shiar and others are always stupidly at war even though they're smart enough not to fight
>Just kill people with a giant squid
>CUZ NIXON
>explode your friends
Watchmen is garbage
There isn't one. Probably the closest thing I can think of in quality and influence would be like the original Ditko and Kirby runs of the 60s on Spider-man and FF, that's still pretty distant in my opinion. Maybe Kraven's Last Hunt?
watchmen has political tones. how are the examples you mentioned political? i'm asking sincerely
They aren't really big political themes aside from some small objectivism in Spider-man maybe, but even that is a bit exaggerated in importance by people. Like I said there isn't an exact parallel to Watchmen from Marvel. You only get so close. Maybe Marvels or Squadron Supreme.
>In DC for years under the three editorial houses , they had Crisis, reboots, messed up continuity, and squabbles, but they produced Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, and Vertigo. In Marvel, they had order, they had 9 years of discipline and consistency, and what did that produce? The New Universe.
The One
Didn't Quesada himself once say that Millar's "Civil War" was originally planned as a kind of answer to "Watchmen", with Cap here being both Rorschach and the Comedian?
>Marvel-xisters silent seething
So fun to see them stumble
>nobody mentioned death of captain marvel yet
pic related was marvel's attempt to tackle similar ideas but it fell short
frick this i did choose file
also frick this captcha
Marvels.