What killed Star Wars?
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Seeing John Boyega for the first time in The Force Awakens was the shock of my life.
I was so hyped for the sequel trilogy that I cagily avoided all marketing materials, all trailers, and all commercials. If I walked by a toy aisle at the store and caught a small glimpse of a vehicle or stormtrooper, I'd look away immediately. I wanted to go into the new era of Star Wars with an entirely open mind, as pure as an Amish virgin. On opening night I knew there was a brown-haired female protagonist (that much was hard to avoid, even though I shielded my eyes), but little else. I didn't even know which classic characters were returning.
When Boyega first took off that helmet and revealed himself to the theater, I let out an audible gasp. My entire row of filmgoers looked at me like I was nuts, but I couldn't help myself. There before me was the most Simian creature I'd ever seen in a galaxy far, far away. An intergalactic gorilla with huge flaring Black person nostrils and big Nigerian chieftain lips.
Oftentimes film studios will soften the blow by casting Billy Dee Williams or Will Smith... but not this time. This time you were forced to feast your eyes on a pure-blooded coal black silverback Black person, blown up forty feet high on an IMAX screen.
I looked around, uncomprehendingly, as the rest of the crowd seemed to accept this monstrosity as a regular matter of course. Then it occurred to me that I was the only person who hadn't already seen months' worth of marketing materials.
Little by little, they had been led to accept this by drips and drabs of commercials, trailers, and TV interviews. Their minds had been so softened that they were willing to stare unflinchingly, even giggle and smile at the Black folkhines, as MegaBlack person (missing only a bone in his nose) besmirched the galaxy.
Lots of people debate about the exact moment when Star Wars died. I contend it was when that minstrel-looking sweaty jigaboo removed his helmet and revealed his Lovecraftian face.
This was the moment for me too. I saw the blatant propaganda instantly.
When this came up for the first time as a preview in the theater everyone laughed.
Bravo. An effort post worthy of the ages.
This fricking screenshot. I remember when this dropped, literally every single thread here up to page 10 was this screenshot. I thought the entire board is broken.
This may have been written by kathleen kennedy herself. It reinforces the narrative that no film before 2012 had a black person in it.
You didn't finish reading what he posted. He made the point that in the old days, they'd cast a Billy Dee Williams or Will Smith, people who are more conventionally attractive. Boyega looks like a straight up 1920s racist caricature.
100% correct!!!FACT!!!
"Let me tell you where you're wrong ... ", I started to say. It was at that precise moment I realised I couldn't.
The prequels. Zoomers won't understand that George was regarded as a legitimately great filmmaker before TPM released, and everyone thought he had a plan because that was the story he sold for years. TPM is when it all crashed. Everything gay and moronic Disney has done was done by George years before.
the only correct answer. it was a race to the bottom from there.
When the credits rolled for TPM, the crowd cheered and i just sat there kinda confused.
I dont care what you think of RLM today, but back then their claim to fame prequel videos were 100% spot on.
My biggest qualm was the dogshit cgi. Completely pulled me out of every scene.
Had the cgi been stellar, i would have probably turned my brain off to the moronic plot and 1.5hr long toy commercial that it was.
The scene from Spaced summed it up well too
Disney, anyone who says otherwise is a rat shill and needs to kill himself.
Han not shooting first
CGI Jabba
"Bring my Shuttle" replaced
Jedi Rocks
the special editions are the movies. deal with it, redditor
Redditors love George Lucas and the prequels
you seem to know a lot about them. maybe you should go back and never post here again.
I only know it because their opinions stand out on this board, like yours.
I still haven't seen a good defense of the special editions by people like you. It's always "DIRECTORS SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR WORKS" without understanding the idea of film preservation.
A majority of online culture disliked the special editions. There is a personality type that needs to disagree with the majority at all times because you can't signal that you're smarter than someone by just agreeing with them, they have to be wrong about something and you have to be correcting them. You see that personality type a lot here, with a collection of unaccomplished people who were told they were "smart" growing up, believed it, made it a core part of their identity, then their life showed no evidence of it and they had to start signaling it at every chance to maintain their self image. And so you get mindless 4chins contrarianism at every turn.
>I immediately recognize you as a redditor!
>oh you think I'm a redditor well you must know redditors then haha I wish
You meme poisoned bot zoomers are beyond tiresome. It's like talking to a pull string toy.
r/prequelmemes is fun though.
literal point of no return
Why does Bob look like the fool here and George looks like this was a grand stroke of 4D chess?
Return of the Jedi poisoned the entire franchise. There was no recovery from that point. Lucas knew this and simply stopped making Star Wars stuff apart from rubber stamping various cash grabs.
Nah, despite ROTJ having its share of problems, it's the most entertaining out of the original trilogy and I say this as someone who doesn't get the hype over Star Wars.
The first hour has Luke finally becoming a Jedi master, they rescue Han, Slave Leia nuff said, and that fight in the desert. It's like watching one of those Golden Age Hollywood adventure flicks with pirates or knights where the dashing hero swoops in and saves the day.
The final 30 minutes are kino. The Emperor tempting Luke ala Lucifer with Jesus in the wilderness, the redemption of Anakin, and the good guys finally scoring a decisive victory and a celebration in the end.
Even the middle part that everyone hates like the Endor teddy bears (C3PO narrating the rebellion is actually pretty comfy) and the whole plan going FUBAR and ignoring Luke's warning is more tolerable than the Sequel trilogy's crap.
You are correct that Lucas should've just stopped after ROTJ. One of the appealing parts of the original trilogy is the mystery behind it. The history of how Palpatine took over, who young Anakin Skywalker was like, and the mystique of the mythos. The prequel trilogy really destroyed that image and headcanon that fandom and normies had for decades.
The safer option should've just been to present the prequel trilogy in interactive games on console/PC ala Telltale did with The Walking Dead, Back to the Future, Game of Thrones. Obviously the plot and charaterization needed polishing, but having those options for the user immerses them to be the one that courses the history of the Old Republic and if Anakin goes Dark Side. Star Wars games (Force Unleashed and Knights of the Old Republic were god-tier) and novels are the only acceptable avenues to expand the franchise without alienating normies or tanking the market too much.
I do agree that mini-series could've been done, but only in the hands of professional talented writers (like The Mandalorian staff) to explore ideas.
This. Rotj is when star wars went from legitimate films to a children's toy commercial franchise
The special editions, because it standardized being able to vandalize and tarnish the original trilogy.
The Empire Strikes Back unironically. It's a good movie but it killed Star Wars.
I'm probably one of the few people that gets exactly what you mean. A New Hope was a classic sci-fi fantasy good-vs-evil tale. The Empire Strikes Back is what turned the franchise into "Skywalker Family Drama: The Series."
I agree, but Empire was amazing because the bad guys score a victory in the first 30 minutes. The rebel base has been outed and they have to go on the retreat. The AT-AT walkers were amazing to see.
Then, you have Luke finally getting proper Jedi training as well as finding out what exactly makes the Force and Dark Side tick. Not to mention what kind of guy his dad was.
And the ending is great too because the bad guys win again. There's a glimmer of hope obviously since the rebels are regrouping, but Luke lost a part of his innocence from the revelation and Han is taken captive. It makes the anticipation for ROTJ all the more satisfying. I saw the Original Trilogy on USA Network and was lucky to see them back-to-back on a Sunday afternoon.
Oh, sure, Empire is great. It's not a bad film by any means. It just irrevocably changes the franchise from that point on, for better or worse.
That's the purpose of a sequel.
Eh, yes, but not to this degree. A New Hope was a very simple good-vs-evil story. Really, objectively, you could do anything as a sequel. I mean, if you really think about it, the next Star Wars movie didn't even NEED to use the Empire and Vader as the villains again. The Empire lost power with the destruction of the Death Star, Vader was never able to get his fighter under control and died of starvation, a new threat arises, etc. Luke could've been killed by the new villain and Han/Leia/a new character becomes the main hero, or whatever. But it's because of The Empire Strikes Back that the franchise became "No, this is series is specifically about Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, and anyone called Skywalker, and if there isn't a Skywalker currently on-screen, then why should we give a shit?"
Eh, I don't understand the hate it gets and I'm far from a Star Wars fan.
I'm a huge Alec Guinness fan thanks to Cromwell, Lawrence of Arabia, The Bridge on the River Kwai, and Doctor Zhivago. Every viewer could tell that when Guinness' body language when talking about Anakin and Darth Vader that he wasn't telling the complete truth. The clues were there to realize there was some kind of uncomfortable info that Obi-Wan didn't want Luke to know. I know the spoiler is well-known as the real identity of Mr. Hyde nowadays, but a sharp-eyed moviegoer would've figured that either Anakin was Darth Vader, Anakin was the one who corrupted Darth Vader, or Obi-Wan killed Anakin. Any of those possibilities are plausible in that scene where Luke is in Obi-Wan's home.
There's all sorts of way Lucas could've handled the original trilogy after the first installment. It's evident that he cribbed from other works like Jack Kirby, Akira Kurosawa, Valerian & Laureline, Leiji Matusmoto, and others. His real talent is drawing in different elements and weaving it together. The evil father vs noble son paragon is common enough in fiction yet hits home for anyone.
All in all, it's still a respectable trio of movies. But he should've quit while he was ahead.
Nah that happened in rotj. Luke being Vader son isn't too contrived. Leia being his sister as well is what really breaks the suspension of disbelief
im glad there's other bros out here that understand this.
Empire is a legitimately great movie that simultaneously sabotages its series in subtle but irrevocable ways.
this is partly because Star Wars ('77) didn't need a sequel, because its ending was perfect. but personally i'd say it's mostly due to how Empire breaks the lore.
people forget this but The Force was never about telekinesis in Star Wars '77. like any great religion, it had a deep basis in plausible deniability. whatever a jedi did was subtle enough that it could have been written off as luck or some weird hypnosis shit.
the most obvious thing it did was choke a space nazi but this wasn't because daddy v physically choked him with his mind hand. it's because The Force is just the englishy name for an eastern-ripoff Chi thing. it's not external, it's internal. he's cutting off a fool's Chi, thereby choking him.
so when yoda lifts the x-wing -- no, when luke retrieves his lightsaber in the ice cave with his mind -- that's when it all fell apart. now it's no longer plausibly deniable, these mfs are doing magic tricks that anyone can see.
and this is when the audience starts asking why yoda didn't just throw star destroyers into suns. why the Empire needed a space laser if The Force could just throw a planet into its sun. lots of sun-based speculation that boils down to the dissolution of tension, loss of relatability, and the undermining of the spiritualistic themes.
still a great movie though. one of the best, even.
p.s.
plus shit like "he is too old... to begin the training". shit that in the context of the movie doesn't seem like that big a deal, but the more movies you try to make, the worse the ramifications become.
>the most obvious thing it did was choke a space nazi but this wasn't because daddy v physically choked him with his mind hand. it's because The Force is just the englishy name for an eastern-ripoff Chi thing. it's not external, it's internal. he's cutting off a fool's Chi, thereby choking him.
>so when yoda lifts the x-wing -- no, when luke retrieves his lightsaber in the ice cave with his mind -- that's when it all fell apart. now it's no longer plausibly deniable, these mfs are doing magic tricks that anyone can see.
>and this is when the audience starts asking why yoda didn't just throw star destroyers into suns. why the Empire needed a space laser if The Force could just throw a planet into its sun. lots of sun-based speculation that boils down to the dissolution of tension, loss of relatability, and the undermining of the spiritualistic themes.
I get what you mean. It was indeed better when the Force was more subtle and indirect in approach like Obi-Wan using a bit of psychic suggestion, but not outright mind-control.
In fact, why do they need lightsabers? What if a Force user shapes the Force as an invisible blade and utilizes it as a weapon?
came into this thread to say this. the first movie was good because it was fun. it should have never become a franchise.
Yidsney
It was taken over by people who didn't like it, and wanted to remake it in their own image.
Pic related. Bad movies can be forgotten or quietly squirrelled away as poorly-managed films that at least tried to offer something new, but the core of Star Wars, the thing that produced a fandom which endured in the American conscience, were the books and the "canon." The Star Wars novels are the bones of the setting, rarely seen on-screen but fundamental to the health and locomotion of the series. It's because of the novels we got Shadows of the Empire, or Rogue Squadron, or the Emperor Reborn or even Thrawn. Then you get into the Prequels, where you get the Clone Wars as not just novelizations, but cartoon series.
So this is what killed Star Wars. Simultaneously tossing out the "old canon" and bringing in Chuck Wendig to write the lore set between Episode 6 and Episode 7. Lore that amounted to, "And then the New Republic failed, Luke Skywalker became a bum and gays/women rule every aspect of society" in the span of 20 years. There are no grand battles worth mentioning in this period, no great villains that really connect with people. The battles are flaccid, the villains are boring, the writing is pathetic and the tone of everything feels reminiscent of a 30-something man-child raised on Adventure Time given the chance to write about a series not *really* for them, but this time they could make it *all* about them.
This is where Star Wars died. Not the movies, but the books. You can hide skin, but you can't fix rotten bones. The Sequels are rotten to the core.
I think the most offensive thing is that Disney just retreads the books anyways, so we're getting the same characters and stories but in worse versions. We have bootleg Jaina and Jacen, bootleg Dark Empire, bootleg Thrawn, etc. They set the books on fire just to tell the same stories more gaygishly.
the TV shows are trying to rectify this
Mfw you have to make like 4 different TV shows each with multiple seasons and hundreds of hours of runtime to try and semi-soften the blow of the sequels. moronic, and no one cares
They are not. Describe what they rectified, besides Kenobi letting Vader live for the second time.
>Clone Wars as not just novelizations, but cartoon series
I grew up with the 2000's version that Genndy Tartakovsky did. They did a fantastic job filling in the gaps between the movies and expanding lore. This is how Star Wars SHOULD have been.
Wendig was the one who told Ryan Johnson that the hyperspace ramming is possible and doesn't clash with anything in the canon.
>the core of Star Wars, the thing that produced a fandom which endured in the American conscience, were the books and the "canon."
That's just not true
>not *really* for them, but this time they could make it *all* about them
HeIIo reddit!
I hate Chuck Wendig so god damn much.
>There are no grand battles worth mentioning in this period
The Ahsoka show perfectly represents this problem
Thrawn and Ezra were stranded in some faraway galaxy. Did Thrawn try to explore and conquer this new galaxy? Did Ezra and Thrawn develop an uneasy alliance? What could have possibly happened over this entire DECADE?
Nothing. Everyone acts like it's been just a couple days with Thrawn, the tactical genius, having accomplished nothing but trying to hunt down Ezra for ten years who's like a few hour ride away from Thrawn's main base.
These people don't have a creative bone in their body.
Chimps and roasties.
The fans.
anything after the original trilogy sucks.
also, its a children's franchise
I really think Star Wars jumped the shark at Attack of the Clones. I actually liked The Phantom Menace, it was slow moving and a little boring and the acting was a bit stiff but that was fine with me. It felt like an old school classic film from the 60's, it was a great film imo, it didn't really feel like Star Wars but it was almost about as high, in terms of quality. It was only with AOTC that I felt like I was watching a Looney Tunes cartoon, with Anakin and Obiwan flying around in that car and the weird diner with the dinosaur that made no sense and Jango Fett seemed to have just been inserted into the plot because people liked Boba Fett and Lucas was catering to the fans, everything visually looked so fake and cartoonish. The story was muddled and confusing and all these characters were mostly new or reintroduced, other than Obiwan, Mace Windu and Padme. It didn't really feel like a continuation of TPM storyline but almost separated from it entirely. Anakin looked like a backstreet boy in ATOC and spent the entire film whining, the love story had zero chemistry, the CGI robots vs CGI clones had no tension, they ruined Yoda's character imo with that baffling lightsaber duel. Count Dooku seemed out of place in the film and his name sounds almost like a joke. The whole movie seemed like a weird rushed fever dream. I was a HUGE Star Wars fan up to this point, I used to check theforce.net constantly and had action figures and everything. When I saw ROTS I felt it was even worse than AOTC, it just looked laughable, especially that final duel in the lava. To this day I can not see how people take this shit seriously, it looks so incredibly bad and ridiculous to me and the plot is so incredibly stupid. Everything made after this was just a Mickey Mouse cash grab and I don't even really view it as Star Wars at all, not even worth watching.
Are you kidding? Phantom Menace is boring as shit. The racing scene that was a centre piece not only feels like The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show replete with literal space Snidely Whiplash, it was totally mogged by the perfectly paced and edited racing scene from Wreck-It fricking Ralph.
The people who made the original trilogy somehow didn't understand why the movies were popular in the first place. This was true for the prequels, as well as the sequels. Though the sequels suffered especially hard under studio meddling and lack of vision.
Thank God for "There is no underwear in space."
Nabooan ass
They ruined Luke Skyfricker
The Holiday Special.
The prequels beat the living shit out of it and then The Force Awakens delivered the killing blow.
Existing.
Last Jedi
Disney
l m a o
it was pure unadulterated trash all along.
Hey she's got a coke nail!
Imagine being Boyega in this scene, having believed your character was created so Daisey Ridley would get BLACKED in front of millions of white boys and jeering brothers. Yet here you are, having to be all "damn Kelly! you fine, all sexy with your fridge body like a 48 year old Shanghai fishwife! I'm enjoying you kissing me, both my character and the real me!"
Just imagine. You are Boyega, straight out of Peckham where the women are thicc and jiggle their round asses on you at the club, and now you've never seen anything this dead before, and you're having to squat like a squirrel while Tran (pottery) repeats Rian's nonsensical lines in her brown hobo overcoat, take after take, until she gives a passable delivery. You have to lock eyes with her natural scowl and tolerate her haughty attitude as everyone on set gives her the "YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL!!" "I LOVE THIS!!!" virtue signalling routine, because they're not the ones who have to crouch there and let her lean in and plant her mouth on your lower lip glaring at you vacantly like a cow leaning into its trough.
Now you swear you can taste the egg fried rice on her breath as she sucks in her gut to sit up once more, smugly assured you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to perch there and revel in her "shapely" (as she has been told) beauty they had to hide under a tarpaulin. Then the director calls for another take, and you know you could kill every single person on location before security puts you down, but you hunch and endure. Because you're fricking Boyega! This is your one chance! You will be an A-list celebrity after this, you will be able to turn down Disney-plus and go in for the big time! Just make this stupid whiteboy movie. Scrunch up your little face, grin and bear it a little longer.
Worse for Kelly. Asian parents expect great heights from their children, and kissing the missing link on screen is as low as it goes. Blacked fetish is on the same wavelength as beastiality, it's about the humiliation and degradation of the woman involved by having her do something revolting. Look at her face during that kiss. Imagine the face of her ancestors as they realize she must mimick physical affection for a pseudo human animal. Depraved.
>character created in order to pander to american blacks
>character created in order to pander to chinese
>make them kiss and fall in love for maximum diversity
Pottery. Too bad the Chinese don't actually approve of this or any other American left wing ideals. And the black character ends up getting photoshopped out of the chinese movie poster instead.
bump
>What killed Star Wars?
Communists.
coked out sex with Carrie
Making Luke and Leia brother and sister.
This
I hated it. There is another Skywalker whose never been mentioned before. And somehow Obi-Wan completely forgot about Leia when he says, "That boy is last hope". to which Yoda replies, "There is another".
When I saw EOTS, I thought Yoda meant there was another candidate for training in case Luke failed, but Luke was considered the best shot due to his potential.
I mean shoehorning in Leia (who was hinted to be a love interest) as Luke's long-lost sister is bad writing. At least reveal that Luke's sister is out there somewhere and it's a race in the 3rd film over Luke or Vader in seeking her.
>ewoks appear on the screen
>fast forward to the next scene without them
Star Wars was already done before Disney. Lucas has already shown the rise and fall of the empire with his 2 trilogies and some might even argue (not without reason) that even the prequels were not actually needed in the strict sense of the word.
In any case there was no more story to tell. Studios really need to understand that stories have a beginning and end.
Disney could have probably gotten away with jumping to the far away future or far away past without cutting their profit in half. I guarantee people wouldn´t have cared that much about a strong black gay female MC in a movie about the old republic or a story far into the future on which Luke only makes a cameo appearance as a hologram or force ghost in an old jedi temple or something... I mean, it´s a big galaxy with plenty of time periods to explore. Did they really need to try and frick over a story that was so tightly closed that just the idea of making a sequel implies fricking things up?
When Filoni became involved and the CW series started to mess with the established canon, that was the first blow. Then the selling to Yidsney and the resetting of everything but the movies and the ugly CW, followed by the new trilogy.
Me
Kathleen Kennedy
Oversaturation of the franchise with bad to mediocre garbage
You can't just bypass the compressor. How is shit going to get compressed then?
Anything after the trilogy.
Kathleen
It could recover if she's gone
Disney. Nobody at Disney actually understands what Star Wars is, they've just been putting out shitty sci-fi movies/shows with a Star Wars skin on. Anybody listing anything earlier probably didn't like Star Wars to begin with.
Slave Jenny is BEST Jenny. I'll gladly put babies in her.
>even dressing up like her uncle if she asks me to.
It was never good in the first place
A what if story where Aayla Secura is Leia's Jedi master, but ends up having sweaty lesbian scissoring with her even though she's a teenager
The special editions. Then the prequels. All that was left for Disney to do was violate the corpse.
The fans
Basically unrealistic expectations about something they have in their heads.
https://vocaroo.com/1jcZtH3uCk6E
man this board's takes are beyond fatman contrarian
also look at that fricking cokefinger on leia PHEW
The fanbase