People kind of got tired of the cheesiness and Saving a private Ryan, despite all of its historical inaccuracies, showed that more realism in combat films was more popular
People like to get autistic on the special effects but they worked in making it more impactful and gritty.
Realism wise its more to do with few if any of the characters having plot armor, or dying in cheesy ways.
Generation X thinking DYEL gays in leather coats were cooler and more badass than hulking testosterone monsters. Generally the loss of testosterone due to estrogen in the water.
>X thinking DYEL gays in leather coats were cooler and more badass than hulkin
hahahaha no one in genx likes Twinks, not one guy in my age bracket thinks moderen action stars are any good.
birth control pills and microplastics are contaminating the the drinking water supply with massive amounts of xenoestrogens. This is what's causing the sharp decline of testosterone in males in the "civilized" world.
action heroes need to be charismatic, which means you need witty sharp writing - if you look into all your favorite 80s and 90s action movies were written by the same 10 dudes who all died, and with them died the genre.
i watched extraction yesterday and at 40 mins i was exhausted at the constant and pointless explosions and death, there was barely any dialogue and they gave away the ending of the movie in the first 5mins so it felt like they were just wasting my time with set piece stunts which weren't all that impressive given the constant fast cuts and the usual npc guys who drop their guns to do a knife fight when our hero runs out of ammo.
first blood is so good BECAUSE of the build up and cinematography. total recall or commando you remember the triple breasts, the get your ass to mars, the bazooka scene, the i lied scene, plissken is just a badass and his outfit and lines are memorable.
i disagree, to me it's a classic thriller with action sequences that are fantastic. it's like saying unforgiven isn't a western because it doesn't fall into the tropes.
The need for every major film to be PG-13 is what killed the action genre. These films need graphic violence and swearing to give them their edge. Nowadays we have bloodless kills, or Christopher Nolan style quick-cutting bullshit so that you can't see anything. Look at the remakes of Total Recall and Robocop, they're pathetic.
Highest grossing is no measure of a film's quality. Transformers is PG-13 action film and it makes a lot of money - it's also complete shit and aimed at developmentally stunted Chinese brains. The best action films have graphic violence and attitude. The first Terminator is vastly superior to its sequels in the PG-13 era, I doubt you will disagree with that.
Instead of going quirky joke route action movies should've evolved into operator kino with good writing and better jokes. Also, very few movies have the balls to make an unapologetic butthole hero like Snake.
Sincerity in over the top films is considered cringe now. You get maybe one major scene with the designated serious moment, and that’s about it.
since writers are too insecure to make a film that will be criticised, they shove in self deprecating quips to desperately wink at the audience and let them know they’re in on the joke.
Commando was R and it wasn't really all that gorey. One guy gets an arm a chopped off (Arnie vetoed the scene where he beats the guy with it). The guy on the plane gets his neck twisted I think? If I recall most other people die "soft" deaths though. Falling off cliffs, jumping in time to an explosion, etc. And of course "let off some steam" which is impossible to view as anything other than comical.
In the 90s they became self-parody, with political correctness and "muh strong female characters" taking over.
By the 2000s the action genre was pretty much dead.
Capeshit is a dogshit focust tested genre salad aimed at teens and shitted out by a literal conveyor belt and written by committee.
Capeshit is literally nothing.
>Capeshit is a dogshit focust tested genre salad aimed at teens and shitted out by a literal conveyor belt and written by committee.
Do are 90% of all action hero genre movies ever made, of which capeshit is a part of.
The Matrix, John Wick series, most if not all capeshit movies, are all action hero movies. Cranked movies, xXx, Bourne movies, all action hero movies, even if they are other things too. Mission Impossible + James Bond both picked up all the trappings of the action hero genre along the way.
Action movies are still alive and well, what you're really asking is "where did the stallion, Arnie and Kurt Russel films go" and the answer is that they grew older and gradually worked less and less.
The lack of male leads with charisma and star power.
The moviestars of the 90s were STILL carrying this genre until like a few years ago. Top Gun 2, Mission Impossible, The Expendables, John Wick, The Accountant etc.
The biggest "new" masculine male leads today are unironically >The Rock (Le family movie man) >Chris Pratt >Ryan Reynolds (Le reddit so randumb xD man)
There isn't a lack of male leads with charisma/star power, Hollywood just doesn't want them. Hollywood can hire anybody on earth and make them appealing to audiences. Hollywood wants studio-owned IPs, instead of movie stars that sell movies on name alone and can command huge salaries and box office deals
It went through the standard life cycle, with parts slightly overlapping >proto action hero movies in Dirty Harry, death wish, classic James bond >movies that defined the genre >Rambo, Commando, predator, blood sport, etc >Zenith/peak reached >Terminator 2 >super man replaced with every man to try and make genre more relatable >Willis, seagal, keyanu, Cage become stars >Deconstruction of genre/meta movies >last action hero, escape from LA, >shift to try to adapt (in this case dark gritty, dramas)
Bourne series, Craig Bond, >replacement and relegation to just an every now and then thing >super hero movies replace, get occasional things like Rambo, expendable
It's sad but it's just the way things are. Action movies replaced Westerns which saw its zenith with the good the bad and the ugly, and deconstruction/meta with stuff like unforgiven, blazing saddles, back to the future 3, etc
Liberals
People kind of got tired of the cheesiness and Saving a private Ryan, despite all of its historical inaccuracies, showed that more realism in combat films was more popular
War movies died too
Because wars are fought differently now and past wars have been done to death in film aside from Korea
By which metric?
Dunkirk, Midway and War Horse all came out in the last 10 years.
>saving private ryan
>realism in combat
People like to get autistic on the special effects but they worked in making it more impactful and gritty.
Realism wise its more to do with few if any of the characters having plot armor, or dying in cheesy ways.
Realism doesn't means it's completely realistic moron and the post already said despite the historical inaccuracies
my brother, there are looney toon tier deaths in SPR
the vaxx
Generation X thinking DYEL gays in leather coats were cooler and more badass than hulking testosterone monsters. Generally the loss of testosterone due to estrogen in the water.
>X thinking DYEL gays in leather coats were cooler and more badass than hulkin
hahahaha no one in genx likes Twinks, not one guy in my age bracket thinks moderen action stars are any good.
Estrogen in the water supply
qrd?
birth control pills and microplastics are contaminating the the drinking water supply with massive amounts of xenoestrogens. This is what's causing the sharp decline of testosterone in males in the "civilized" world.
THE ICE AGE
action heroes need to be charismatic, which means you need witty sharp writing - if you look into all your favorite 80s and 90s action movies were written by the same 10 dudes who all died, and with them died the genre.
i watched extraction yesterday and at 40 mins i was exhausted at the constant and pointless explosions and death, there was barely any dialogue and they gave away the ending of the movie in the first 5mins so it felt like they were just wasting my time with set piece stunts which weren't all that impressive given the constant fast cuts and the usual npc guys who drop their guns to do a knife fight when our hero runs out of ammo.
first blood is so good BECAUSE of the build up and cinematography. total recall or commando you remember the triple breasts, the get your ass to mars, the bazooka scene, the i lied scene, plissken is just a badass and his outfit and lines are memorable.
First blood isn't an action hero movie, that's the sequels. The first film was very much an anti war film about a traumatized vet and a cruel country
This, it amazes me how many people keep making that mistake.
i disagree, to me it's a classic thriller with action sequences that are fantastic. it's like saying unforgiven isn't a western because it doesn't fall into the tropes.
probably Jean Claude flauting his fat ass in every movie
Literally 9/11.
Capeshit
The need for every major film to be PG-13 is what killed the action genre. These films need graphic violence and swearing to give them their edge. Nowadays we have bloodless kills, or Christopher Nolan style quick-cutting bullshit so that you can't see anything. Look at the remakes of Total Recall and Robocop, they're pathetic.
You can make a great action film that's rated PG-13, the whole "it needs to be rated R" cope is old and tired
yeah and you can have "great" sex with a condom, but everybody who has a brain cell to rub knows its not going to be as good. fricking brainlets, man.
Gore and cursing have never been the hallmarks of a good action film unless you were a man child. The highest grossing action films are all pg-13
Highest grossing is no measure of a film's quality. Transformers is PG-13 action film and it makes a lot of money - it's also complete shit and aimed at developmentally stunted Chinese brains. The best action films have graphic violence and attitude. The first Terminator is vastly superior to its sequels in the PG-13 era, I doubt you will disagree with that.
post 5 great pg-13 action films.
now post the 5 best action films, regardless of rating.
>These films need graphic violence and swearing to give them their edge
why
The need for major films to be PG-13 killed cinema in general.
israeli subversion and their coordinated mainstream destruction of the heroic dominant alpha male archetype.
Instead of going quirky joke route action movies should've evolved into operator kino with good writing and better jokes. Also, very few movies have the balls to make an unapologetic butthole hero like Snake.
Sincerity in over the top films is considered cringe now. You get maybe one major scene with the designated serious moment, and that’s about it.
since writers are too insecure to make a film that will be criticised, they shove in self deprecating quips to desperately wink at the audience and let them know they’re in on the joke.
This and also because audiences cannot handle dramatic moments for more than thirty seconds.
Commando was R and it wasn't really all that gorey. One guy gets an arm a chopped off (Arnie vetoed the scene where he beats the guy with it). The guy on the plane gets his neck twisted I think? If I recall most other people die "soft" deaths though. Falling off cliffs, jumping in time to an explosion, etc. And of course "let off some steam" which is impossible to view as anything other than comical.
capshit
In the 90s they became self-parody, with political correctness and "muh strong female characters" taking over.
By the 2000s the action genre was pretty much dead.
yep.
What is Thor? Capeshit is a modern action hero genre
Capeshit is a dogshit focust tested genre salad aimed at teens and shitted out by a literal conveyor belt and written by committee.
Capeshit is literally nothing.
>Capeshit is a dogshit focust tested genre salad aimed at teens and shitted out by a literal conveyor belt and written by committee.
Do are 90% of all action hero genre movies ever made, of which capeshit is a part of.
>Do are 90% of all action hero genre movies ever made,
No, capeshitter. They were not.
Capeshit is not action or anything. Capeshit is capeshit
>Capeshit is not action or anything.
Cope
You first, theme park homosexual
Being written by adults for an adult audience, to beign with. Or even written at all.
Lmao 90% of action movies were targeted at older teenagers at best
Shlock written by adults and aimed to a mainly adult target audience is what set them apart from schlock written for teens
no it's not. disney mcu products are.
there was nothing wrong when a superhero movie came out once or twice a year, and actually tried being a movie.
The Matrix, John Wick series, most if not all capeshit movies, are all action hero movies. Cranked movies, xXx, Bourne movies, all action hero movies, even if they are other things too. Mission Impossible + James Bond both picked up all the trappings of the action hero genre along the way.
Action movies are still alive and well, what you're really asking is "where did the stallion, Arnie and Kurt Russel films go" and the answer is that they grew older and gradually worked less and less.
>most if not all capeshit movies, are all action hero movies
No, lol. They are cgi nerd porn.
They can be two things anon.
Not two antithetical things.
What is antithetical about them?
The lack of male leads with charisma and star power.
The moviestars of the 90s were STILL carrying this genre until like a few years ago. Top Gun 2, Mission Impossible, The Expendables, John Wick, The Accountant etc.
The biggest "new" masculine male leads today are unironically
>The Rock (Le family movie man)
>Chris Pratt
>Ryan Reynolds (Le reddit so randumb xD man)
>The Rock
He is technically '90 celeb and his wrestling career carried his ass.
There isn't a lack of male leads with charisma/star power, Hollywood just doesn't want them. Hollywood can hire anybody on earth and make them appealing to audiences. Hollywood wants studio-owned IPs, instead of movie stars that sell movies on name alone and can command huge salaries and box office deals
It went through the standard life cycle, with parts slightly overlapping
>proto action hero movies in Dirty Harry, death wish, classic James bond
>movies that defined the genre
>Rambo, Commando, predator, blood sport, etc
>Zenith/peak reached
>Terminator 2
>super man replaced with every man to try and make genre more relatable
>Willis, seagal, keyanu, Cage become stars
>Deconstruction of genre/meta movies
>last action hero, escape from LA,
>shift to try to adapt (in this case dark gritty, dramas)
Bourne series, Craig Bond,
>replacement and relegation to just an every now and then thing
>super hero movies replace, get occasional things like Rambo, expendable
It's sad but it's just the way things are. Action movies replaced Westerns which saw its zenith with the good the bad and the ugly, and deconstruction/meta with stuff like unforgiven, blazing saddles, back to the future 3, etc