The opening scene of Before the Devil Knows You're Dead has him fricking Marisa Tomei. No doubt why he died to drugs. That high could never be matched.-
he wasn't, but the tendency is to overrate anyone that dies young. one the of the biggest examples in recent history is keith ledger, a totally garbage actor who played a rather derivative psychopath that only gets highly rated because capeshit doesn't have to adhere to the standards of cinema
Don't want to shit on the guy, he was ok in everything I saw him in, but yes, his death really elevated his status. Don't recall anyone making a big deal out of him being in any movie or saying they were going to see it because he was in it like happens with some other actors.
Seems like he got amplified not only for dying young but also for being one of first celebrity deaths during the rise of social media. Same seems to be true for Lemmy from Motorhead. Great musician but not someone most normies knew about until they saw others on social media freaking out so they freaked out too.
>his death really elevated his status. Don't recall anyone making a big deal out of him being in any movie or saying they were going to see it because he was in it like happens with some other actors.
this is just patently untrue. Hoffman was a always regarded as an extremely skilled actor, ESPECIALLY by his contemporaries. having him in your movie absolutely meant something.
I know it always feels nice to dunk on overrated actors, but he actually had so many iconic roles, and outshined the rest of the cast in most of his movies. He had not lost it either, The Master came out just 2 years before his death.
I think this is one of those few cases in which the actor who died young actually was worth the hype.
He outacted the stars in Charlie WIlson's War. Play depravity, self-serving manipulative narcs as the common everyman so it's believable that America is full of normies like him. His gambling addict is an incredibly fine work, no traces of technique, a richly detailed sad sap of a man.
maybe it was the heroin! you never hear that. i've seen people credit weed, drinking, cocaine, ecstasy for artistic inspiration but never heroin. could heroin improve one's acting? theoretically? i'd never try it regardless, but i am curious is it just the social stigma of the drug that prevents artists from crediting it or is it pretty much a short downward spiral and nobody could be a functional heroin addict?
Don't want to shit on the guy, he was ok in everything I saw him in, but yes, his death really elevated his status. Don't recall anyone making a big deal out of him being in any movie or saying they were going to see it because he was in it like happens with some other actors.
Seems like he got amplified not only for dying young but also for being one of first celebrity deaths during the rise of social media. Same seems to be true for Lemmy from Motorhead. Great musician but not someone most normies knew about until they saw others on social media freaking out so they freaked out too.
Nah, he was wildly celebrated before his death too. One of those actors everyone loved
It really is.
Imagine being able to quiet all your nerves.
Being able to study your script for days in complete calm. Feeling on edge? Nope just take your dose and study study study.
You know it's cheating, but you made a deal with the devil.
That's how all the old jazz greats got good, they were locked in a room (by~~*you know who*~~with an instrument and supplied horse under the door and a bowl of cereal thrice a day.
He wasn't some pampered pretty boy with a perfect life destined to be in Hollywood. He was insecure and suffered a lot, pretty sure struggled with himself and the world around him, he had a dark view on life. hence the heroin abuse. He was somehow able to channel that darkness and suffering as an artist making films. And he elevated every movie he was in no matter if it was a great movie or a shitty movie , and could be extremely funny, dramatic, and serious etc...
This. It's crazy that he can shine in depresso roles in Synecdoche, Happiness, The Savages, but also play complex and even uplifting characters in Doubt, The Master, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead or even Along Came Polly
He wasn't a talentless hack. Like another poster said his life was far from perfect. A lot of Hollywood actors are kind of born into it. They come from good backgrounds, have wealthy, well connected parents who give them everything. Hoffman had to actually try. In that sense he's easier to relate to because he knows what it means to struggle and suffer.
I just dont get how he was that good, I recently watched Boogie Nights, Capote and The Master
He really does seem like 3 different people in those roles he completley dissapears into them and I cant think of another actor who does it as well as he did
Watch something like Along Came Polly to really get it. It's throwaway romcom bullshit but he manages to give his side character actual humanity while still being funny as shit, and it's just one of the 4 movies he was in that year.
Him as Scotty J, a pathetic weird gay lusting after Marky Mark and his massive schlong is brilliant.
You cant help but feel sorry for him. Maybe because he infuses self awareness to his character, how he seems like he's not comfortable in his own skin.
Reminds you of hopelessly crushing after someone magnitudes more attractive than you, shooting your shot and failing miserably.
I feel Love Liza would have been such a shit movie had anyone else been the lead actor. He actually managed to elevate into a beautiful work, all by himself
He was extremely charismatic, magnetic, and extremely likeable, and had an impressive range. I would add that he had a PERFECT voice.
His likeability was an essential trait, since it made him able of accepting truly terrible roles without pissing off the public. It helped that he knew that every once in a while he had to star in serious movies, and he had the talent to get cast for those prestigious roles.
It is a shame he died so young, this motherfricker could have kept churning kino for another 40 years.
I wonder if Synecdoche would have been half as depressing if he wasn't in it. I probably shouldn't have watched it. Dunno if i regret it exactly but people shouldn't watch that level of depresso.
>On February 2, 2014, Hoffman was found dead by his younger brother, John, in his apartment in the John Hanwiener Center in Chicago. He was 46 years old.[51] An autopsy revealed that Hoffman had died of an overdose of cocaine and morphine,[52] a combination called a speedball. The lethal combination caused enormous gas pressure to build up in the intestines, blocked by years of heroin poop, nearly 11lbs coroners estimate[53]. The stinky poop blockage forced noxious gas to blow out Hoffman’s ears like steam whistles[55]. When Hoffman blocked his ears the fart steam rushed into his lungs and tasted like fart poop so bad he coughed his eyeballs out of his head[56]. When Hoffman saw his scary popped out eyes he laughed so hard that it gave him a heart attack, and he died. Upon death the 11 lbs of heroin poop slid out onto the floor, roughly the size and shape of a newborn baby. The coroner's report claims “the smell was unbearable”[57]
maybe it was the heroin! you never hear that. i've seen people credit weed, drinking, cocaine, ecstasy for artistic inspiration but never heroin. could heroin improve one's acting? theoretically? i'd never try it regardless, but i am curious is it just the social stigma of the drug that prevents artists from crediting it or is it pretty much a short downward spiral and nobody could be a functional heroin addict?
>pretty much a short downward spiral and nobody could be a functional heroin addict
This, a junkie runs at full speed just to stay in the same place, and you can only do that for so long. It's not a creative drug, it's about living every day the same until you can't anymore and you check in to an expensive Hollywood rehab for the 17th time or overdose and die.
Mi3
Where's the rabbit's foot
I'm going to hurt her
The opening scene of Before the Devil Knows You're Dead has him fricking Marisa Tomei. No doubt why he died to drugs. That high could never be matched.-
THE RABBIT'S FOOT WHERE IS IT
The opening of God's Pocket he's dicking Christina Hendricks too
>The opening scene of Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
genuinely one of the worst films ever made
the fact that he died before starring in too many shit movies
for me it's mattress man
He was in that movie for 10 minutes but in those ten minutes he completely outshined Sandler.
i like movies too
He carries so fricking hard in that movie
He's an American actor who tries.
he wasn't, but the tendency is to overrate anyone that dies young. one the of the biggest examples in recent history is keith ledger, a totally garbage actor who played a rather derivative psychopath that only gets highly rated because capeshit doesn't have to adhere to the standards of cinema
heath only had 2 decent performances under his belt whereas hoffman never really had a bad one. I’d say tilda swinton is another good example of this
Don't want to shit on the guy, he was ok in everything I saw him in, but yes, his death really elevated his status. Don't recall anyone making a big deal out of him being in any movie or saying they were going to see it because he was in it like happens with some other actors.
Seems like he got amplified not only for dying young but also for being one of first celebrity deaths during the rise of social media. Same seems to be true for Lemmy from Motorhead. Great musician but not someone most normies knew about until they saw others on social media freaking out so they freaked out too.
>his death really elevated his status. Don't recall anyone making a big deal out of him being in any movie or saying they were going to see it because he was in it like happens with some other actors.
this is just patently untrue. Hoffman was a always regarded as an extremely skilled actor, ESPECIALLY by his contemporaries. having him in your movie absolutely meant something.
>ESPECIALLY by his contemporaries
Do you not see the flaw in your statement about how normies reacted?
Shut the frick up zoomer
NOW GET THE FRICK OUT OF HERE PERVERT
DIDN'T I WARN YOU
TH-THAT'S THAT!
Holy fricking zoom, what a moronic opinion.
Bro got EGOT noms, an Oscar, Golden Globe, BAFTA, and numerous nominations during his life.
I know it always feels nice to dunk on overrated actors, but he actually had so many iconic roles, and outshined the rest of the cast in most of his movies. He had not lost it either, The Master came out just 2 years before his death.
I think this is one of those few cases in which the actor who died young actually was worth the hype.
He outacted the stars in Charlie WIlson's War. Play depravity, self-serving manipulative narcs as the common everyman so it's believable that America is full of normies like him. His gambling addict is an incredibly fine work, no traces of technique, a richly detailed sad sap of a man.
maybe it was the heroin! you never hear that. i've seen people credit weed, drinking, cocaine, ecstasy for artistic inspiration but never heroin. could heroin improve one's acting? theoretically? i'd never try it regardless, but i am curious is it just the social stigma of the drug that prevents artists from crediting it or is it pretty much a short downward spiral and nobody could be a functional heroin addict?
He did The Master when he was stone cold sober.
Nah, he was wildly celebrated before his death too. One of those actors everyone loved
It really is.
Imagine being able to quiet all your nerves.
Being able to study your script for days in complete calm. Feeling on edge? Nope just take your dose and study study study.
You know it's cheating, but you made a deal with the devil.
That's how all the old jazz greats got good, they were locked in a room (by~~*you know who*~~with an instrument and supplied horse under the door and a bowl of cereal thrice a day.
he was a pig frick
He wasn't some pampered pretty boy with a perfect life destined to be in Hollywood. He was insecure and suffered a lot, pretty sure struggled with himself and the world around him, he had a dark view on life. hence the heroin abuse. He was somehow able to channel that darkness and suffering as an artist making films. And he elevated every movie he was in no matter if it was a great movie or a shitty movie , and could be extremely funny, dramatic, and serious etc...
>he joined a drama club, and initially committed to it because he was attracted to a female member
>come for the pussy
>stay because you like it
at least its honest
vgh.. truly the jonah of his time
This. It's crazy that he can shine in depresso roles in Synecdoche, Happiness, The Savages, but also play complex and even uplifting characters in Doubt, The Master, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead or even Along Came Polly
Excelled/stood out in a lot of his roles
He was white!
HEIL VICTORY GENTLEMEN
HEIL TRUMP
GLORY TO THE WHITE RACE!
Gasoline huffing
He managed to play compelling, serious characters while being fat. That alone puts him at the same level as Laurence Olivier.
Amazing actor. Stole the spotlight of every movie he was in
He wasn't a talentless hack. Like another poster said his life was far from perfect. A lot of Hollywood actors are kind of born into it. They come from good backgrounds, have wealthy, well connected parents who give them everything. Hoffman had to actually try. In that sense he's easier to relate to because he knows what it means to struggle and suffer.
He's just really good
its so weird they’re both dead now
I just dont get how he was that good, I recently watched Boogie Nights, Capote and The Master
He really does seem like 3 different people in those roles he completley dissapears into them and I cant think of another actor who does it as well as he did
Those weren't him. Those were Jenna Ortega acting as him, acting as those characters. Common mistake.
She gained 100 pounds and dyed her hair for the roles.
Watch something like Along Came Polly to really get it. It's throwaway romcom bullshit but he manages to give his side character actual humanity while still being funny as shit, and it's just one of the 4 movies he was in that year.
He was really fricking good at playing creeps like in Happiness or Mary and Max
Him as Scotty J, a pathetic weird gay lusting after Marky Mark and his massive schlong is brilliant.
You cant help but feel sorry for him. Maybe because he infuses self awareness to his character, how he seems like he's not comfortable in his own skin.
Reminds you of hopelessly crushing after someone magnitudes more attractive than you, shooting your shot and failing miserably.
What's his best work?
I feel Love Liza would have been such a shit movie had anyone else been the lead actor. He actually managed to elevate into a beautiful work, all by himself
completely agree
Same, though I still don't think it's great, he does carry it.
Charlie Wilson's War.
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
It was ok but he wasn't the protagonist here and to be blunt Tom Hanks is a hack who ruined that film.
Owning Mahowny
easy
no im not being ironic
Synecdoche, New York
Kaufman a tiresome pseud. So glad the nu-auteurs (many are LGBT) in the A24 ecosystem are outshining him.
Filtered.
Kaufman is one of the few directors who can put the depression of ordinary everyday people into films in a compelling way.
His "compelling" lacks the character's subjectivity to me. It's too "outside in", where the innards are meh. He should stick to writing.
He was extremely charismatic, magnetic, and extremely likeable, and had an impressive range. I would add that he had a PERFECT voice.
His likeability was an essential trait, since it made him able of accepting truly terrible roles without pissing off the public. It helped that he knew that every once in a while he had to star in serious movies, and he had the talent to get cast for those prestigious roles.
It is a shame he died so young, this motherfricker could have kept churning kino for another 40 years.
commitment + his voice
The answer is drugs.
I've never thought of him as great, but he can play a really good likeable weirdo like in Twister
I wonder if Synecdoche would have been half as depressing if he wasn't in it. I probably shouldn't have watched it. Dunno if i regret it exactly but people shouldn't watch that level of depresso.
I'm 100% sure Kaufman planned I'm Thinking of Ending Things with Hoffman in mind.
Holy shit that would have been so much better. Plemons is so mid.
Yeah would have been much better. I still like the movie, the female lead and the parents carry it
>On February 2, 2014, Hoffman was found dead by his younger brother, John, in his apartment in the John Hanwiener Center in Chicago. He was 46 years old.[51] An autopsy revealed that Hoffman had died of an overdose of cocaine and morphine,[52] a combination called a speedball. The lethal combination caused enormous gas pressure to build up in the intestines, blocked by years of heroin poop, nearly 11lbs coroners estimate[53]. The stinky poop blockage forced noxious gas to blow out Hoffman’s ears like steam whistles[55]. When Hoffman blocked his ears the fart steam rushed into his lungs and tasted like fart poop so bad he coughed his eyeballs out of his head[56]. When Hoffman saw his scary popped out eyes he laughed so hard that it gave him a heart attack, and he died. Upon death the 11 lbs of heroin poop slid out onto the floor, roughly the size and shape of a newborn baby. The coroner's report claims “the smell was unbearable”[57]
Thank you Doctor.
i want to believe he would laugh if he read this, rest in peace, a real man of kino
kek
>pretty much a short downward spiral and nobody could be a functional heroin addict
This, a junkie runs at full speed just to stay in the same place, and you can only do that for so long. It's not a creative drug, it's about living every day the same until you can't anymore and you check in to an expensive Hollywood rehab for the 17th time or overdose and die.
The ability to make an extremely flawed character seem sensitive and likeable
the best mission impossible villain
genuinely a chilling guy
He has a very good expressive voice
10,000 bags of Heroin, supposedly
He overacts in everything. He's literally "I'M ACTING!!!!!" the actor.
Heroin, ironically
He wasn't afraid to play strong and embarrassing roles.
Also Charlie Kaufman
Also heroin addiction
He's in Hard 8 for like 3 mins but him saying BIGTIME stuck with me more than anything else from that movie
he had a ton of presence and charisma
his wild, unhinged energy that came out every so often was magical
wouldn't having that much shit lodged in your gut cause incredible bowel pain?
his acting
He was a true awe tour
He's probably the best American actor of our era but he's underrated cause he has a lot of movies normies don't care about.
Except for Along Came Polly I guess.
he could play jovial, likeable, smarmy, creepy, pathetic, menacing…and add little line reads or flourishes that made the role his own
Pathos
Love this one
He plays such a pitch-perfect condescending butthole, it's honestly incredible
>philip seemore coffins
what did god mean by this