What made this moment so universally hated?
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What made this moment so universally hated?
What made this moment so universally hated?
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Aperaham Lincoln lol
ha
he freed the orangutans, you know.
>gets shot by banana
In latin, she would be ape-ia majora.
Raceswapping.
it was a cheap twist that wasn't part of the rest of the movie
While I don’t disagree with you and had the same reaction on originally watching the movie, I’ve since wondered if the intention wasn’t meant to imply that after Wahlberg left the future, the apes didn’t also figure out time travel and basically usurp human history. Even if that’s the implication, it’s still too jarring and is emblematic of the same sort of sequel bait that plagues too many movies today.
It being ripped off from a Kevin Smith comic didn’t help
Made no fricking sense considering he returned to his planet and wasn't on earth like in the original.
Did the apes just build spaceships and invade Earth?
I thought it was implied to be an alternate reality.
yes a heavy handed farcical metaphor
Oh wait. I’m
. I thought it was still set on future Earth.
It's scientifically impossible
Blackwashing goes too far.
I never like the planet of the ape movies.
If apes evolved to the same state as us and we ourselves are great apes wouldn't they have evolved to look nearly identical to us? Wouldn't their more ape-like features have disappeared?
Also, how are chimps, gorillas and oragutans all just chilling together? Are you telling me they all got over the hump at the same time and instead of having their own cultures and regional nations, they live together in the same stone city?
Another thing is, for apes to evolve to our point it would take, atleast 200k years. At that point the statue of Liberty would have been reduced to rubble or atleast an unrecognizable turquoise lump.
Another thing is that the apes are so shocked to see that humans are intelligent. But they wear clothes. They wear clothes and use tools. How would you think they arent intelligent?
Just some thoughts.
Did you never watch the sequels? They were engineered, not a natural evolution.
The real question with the sequels if it the time travel backwards changed the course of history or if it's a loop ending with Taylor destroying the planet.
>Also, how are chimps, gorillas and oragutans all just chilling together?
The original movie has mentions of monkey racism, with the orangutans being the ruling class.
>wouldn't they have evolved to look nearly identical to us?
No. There's nothing about human-level intelligence that requires a form that completely mimics that of modern man.
It's a movie, moron.
The only guarantee is that they'd likely have flat faces like humans.
Humans have flat faces because our jaws shrank and upper face pushed forwards as our jaw musculature shrunk to make way for our increased brain size. That was basically a necessity.
Otherwise they could be hairy monkey men in every other way.
You could easily have prognathic faces and big brains at the same time. Our jaws shrank because we stopped eating raw meat.
The 2001 movie was all over the place with ideas. In the book, the apes did not necessarily evolve, rather that they took over humanity. The idea is based off of "Monkey see monkey do.", in that the apes outnumbered humans and copied their technology to win. The only humans to not get killed off were the stupid ones who the apes could control.
The book fleshed out the three ape types. Orangutans controlled religion, philosophy, and government. Gorillas were the military, and chimps are the scientists. The division of labor is how the apes could chill with each other. I do remember one gorilla being in politics in the book however the ape societal roles are consistent with the previous sentence.
Humans wearing clothes and using tools was just something new from the 2001 movie which makes no sense seeing how primitive they are compared to the apes.
It doesn't make sense on several levels, and seems to exist solely to have a twist. Like a Goosebumps book.
The original Planet of the Apes' twist ending was incredible because it was shocking, tapped into real fears, and had been subtly built up throughout the entire movie. This was a twist for the sake of a twist that made no sense at all. Soul vs soulless.
>Your people made a desert of it, long ago.
>Don't go there, Taylor, you may not like what you see
Zaius did try to warn him.
>Aperaham freeing his fellow monke.
KINO, says I.
because it makes no sense
is this the moment where Tim Burton's career turned to shit?
Yep. After this he decided to use Johnny Depp for 95% of his movies
He did work with Depp a lot in the 90s on good films, Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow. But at a certain point Depp became a parody of himself and was being cast to be "weird Johnny Depp" rather than because he really fit the part.
>was being cast to be "weird Johnny Depp"
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was the exact point this happened.
>at a certain point Depp became a parody of himself
that point is the willy wonka remake
Post Jack Sparrow. Sparrow was great in that first film but also ruined him in the long run.
Genuinely yes, besides the occasional flareup like Big Fish and Sweeney Todd, he lost something around here he's not been able to recover. Passion, creativity, drive, whatever you want to call it. His films pre Apes whatever you think of them brimmed with passion and personality, since them outside of a couple of entries they've been dull blockbuster fare.
It turned to shit because later on her started to use cgi way too much, which completely nullified his quirky style.
In cgi it just looks lame and even offensive, while the constructed sets and miniatures and practical effects look endearing even if grody or weird.
The CG usage is awful but even his narratives became so generic. I saw the Dumbo remake and literally anyone could have directed it, there was nothing of Burton in it. Even the ones trying to be more "Burton's ____" like Alice in Wonderland was just brown CGI garbage with a few spirals tossed in. Like if there was one thing you could agree on with his 80s-90s films, it was that they looked good visually.
We'll see if he can tap into an ounce of his early passion with Beetlejuice Beetlejuice but I'm expecting little.
>is this the moment where Tim Burton's career turned to shit?
after Ed Wood (which is absolute kino) was snubbed, he had one more kino in him with a passion project called Mars Attacks!
MA! was panned by normies, they didnt get it and thats where he lost it and just flanderized himself
>wants to cast Jack Nicholson as the president
>Studio says ok but he's expensive so you can't kill him
>Burton casts Jack as two different characters and kills both of them
the idea that apes would have developed identically to the early united states and created an identical aperaham lincoln monument. the implication then being that the apes had this whole era where they enslaved each other which goes against their entire origin story.
it also makes no sense that the president who wanted to send the apes back to africa would himself be an ape.
In that timeline Ape Markie Mark committed a series of hate crimes against darker furred apes in the 80s.
>in the 80s.
apeties*
Anyone else agree the film was largely good outside of this end twist?
It was an ok adventure film with very good makeup work, if it was not called "Planet of the Apes" it would be regarded as alright, not great. But it is, so it has the weight of the original film crushing it.
The battle sequences in the second half are great
What would be your better ending twist Cinemaphile? I'd go even stupider and have Wahlberg come back to Earth, walk around DC confused, then slowly removes his helmet to reveal he was an Ape all along and landed on the planet of the humans.
I guess you could just do the original twist again, the place is in ruins from some terrible war.
What was the "twist"?
t. never seen this
Movie starts on a space laboratory with apes on board.
Protag gets sucked into a time warp and crashes on an ape planet.
Learns they are the much later descendants of the apes on the space lab that crashed on the same planet.
Protag gets a spaceship and goes back to Earth.
Earth has also been taken over by apes and they have an ape version of the Lincoln memorial.
The end
So the exact same twist as the first movie and the original book then
>So the exact same twist as the first movie
moron.
Maybe you don't know about this scene, it's pretty obscure
lol you gotta be trolling. The ruins of the statue of liberty is nothing like the lincoln memorial (and all of regular human society) suddenly turning into a monke version of itself.
No, not the same twist you fricking idiot.
>Earth was taken over by apes
>BUT THIS TIME IT'S THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL INSTEAD OF THE STATUE OF LIBERTY SO IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
Fricking morons on this site I swear
The difference was the first planet he landed on wasn't Earth then he gets back to Earth and it's also populated by apes that are exactly like modern humans with fur and the movie just ends.
It was pointless.
was taken over by apes
>>BUT THIS TIME IT'S THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL INSTEAD OF THE STATUE OF LIBERTY SO IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
What?
The Statue of Liberty was there because it IS Earth, and those are the destroyed remains of the Statue from the war that humans wiped themselves out in. Apes evolved to take over after that and the few surviving humans devolved to mute animals, which Zaius knew but was trying to keep secret because ape history has them as always the dominant life form and humans as always simple animals.
The Lincoln Memorial being the Lincoln Memorial exactly as it is, but it's now Thad the villain makes no sense. Nothing about it makes sense, and it has nothing to do with the rest of the film which takes place on another world far in the future.
monkeys also made monuments to their leaders and having it closely resemble the Lincoln memorial was a bit of lighthearted fun
What do you mean? In the book he leaves the planet of the apes and returns to Earth with centuries of time dilation and when he steps out of the spaceship he's greeted by apes there too. How is that different?
The twist of the first film is that he did not crash on another planet where apes rule and humans are simplistic animals, it's that he went to the far future and apes rule because humans destroyed themselves in a war. This twist is foreshadowed heavily by various scenes in the film.
The 2001 film literally takes place on another planet, on which the apes from his crashed ship created a society and reigned, he just arrived several hundreds of years after it happened. This is the reveal in the plot, done about two thirds in and like the original movie, is foreshadowed. The "twist" in the last scene is once he has escaped back to Earth in his own time period, the ape villain who was defeated has seemingly overwritten human history with apes....somehow (not conquered Earth, overwritten, because it's literally just regular human Earth but with apes instead of humans, complete with an ape version of the Lincoln Memorial). It makes no sense, comes out of nowhere, and in general seems tacked onto the film.
That's the twist from the book though. Well there's no overwriting or ape Lincoln, it just ends when he steps out of the spaceship and is greeted by uniformed apes.
Except then there's another sortof twist because the whole story is a first person account discovered by an astronaut, and the astronaut finds the story unbelievable. But then it turns out he finds it unbelievable because he's an ape and doesn't believe a human could talk.
>That's the twist from the book though. Well there's no overwriting or ape Lincoln, it just ends when he steps out of the spaceship and is greeted by uniformed apes.
And is the rest of the story the same as the 2001 film? Of course not. That's why you don't just transplant an ending onto another story, and add extra elements that make it more confusing.
The 1968 movie altered enough of the story that it saw fit to have a different ending that suited that story. Most would argue a more memorable/powerful ending than the actual book's, albeit most have never read the book, only seen the film.
of course it is. What can be more staggering than waking in a strange desertic land with monkeys as your overlords similar in pose and behaviour to ancient romans and then after fleeing like ben hur or whatever seeing the statue of liberty discovered by a desert wind blow. That was much better than the book that I admitedly never read and probably never will.
atomic bombs, voyage to wormholes, apocalypse, darwinian progress
And the villain who'd been trying to silence him the entire film tells him not to go there because he won't like what he sees.
I think the 60s movie ending is better but the book is pretty cool. The humans in it aren't like a slave caste but actual animals, mute and naked. The apes capture the protag along with wild humans and while he tries to show them he's intelligent by drawing the Pythagorean theorem they just put him in a cage with a woman to observe the mating.
In the book Earth and the other planet are not connected, it just presents it as inevitable that apes will take over and replace humans. Of course the book is an allegory for races where humans represent white people.
The Earth apes are also like, literally humans but apes. Ape cops in modern cop cars, in Washington DC as it was in 2001, like it's the real human world but you subbed in apes over the humans. It makes no sense because the apes of the ape world had their own tribalistic sort of society.
The implication being the descendants of apes on earth had the same development as the space lab ape descendants?
What's the problem?
Literally the exact same one as humans? He arrives in modern day Washington DC which is exactly the same...except instead of humans it's apes. In DC cop uniforms driving cop cars, and with the Lincoln Memorial with the same quotes and outfit, but instead of Lincoln it's an ape.
It has nothing to do with the rest of the film, that's the problem.
The implication is that the villain made it to earth first and in some weird time warp thing he ended up taking it over way back in history so now earth is run by apes. I've got no idea why they went with this ending but it technically does make sense
How can you tell? They all look the same.
I would assume they stole the already human-built civilization from humans and 'we wuzzed' it.
>What made this moment so universally hated?
any movie where the hype is super high and then the actual movie totally misses the mark is going to get that kind of reaction. remember catching this in the theater. the vibe was pretty much the same as you got with phantom menace or land of the dead. just pure distilled disappointment. years later you can kind of appreciate it as camp, but that's hard to do in the moment.
I didn't hate it. I thought it stupid, thin and implausible short of pedantic of making a monkey civilizations presumably thousands of years after humanity has been extinct look like an american president. or else it's just psychodely made by fetid hippies.
monkebros...
UH OH
STINKY
I'm just surprised that the Monke Cinematic Universe (MCU) has gone on for so long. I mean, how many more stories are there to tell about monke vs humanity?
You guys are so dumb. the apes evolved on earth just like they did on the other planet.
And they somehow had humanity's exact history and culture?
Monkey see, monkey do!
It tries to emulate the original film and completely misses the point, like it's a criticism of america or whatever. The original film was genuinelly weird, the guy seeing the statue of the liberty at the end. That was magnificent. The remake is just... stupid.
People itt are moronic, clearly instead of going back to his Earth he just travelled further into the future of the Planet of the Apes and ended up to the point where Apes are parallel to where Humans are, Aperaham Lincoln freed the Humans
He did nothing wrong.
He made a monkey out of Heston.
From our perspective he did, but we're humans, from his ape perspective he was trying to protect his society, and humans legitimately were destructive enough to have destroyed the previous civilization of the planet.
From the monkey perspective him allowing Taylor to live was a mistake that snowballs into the destruction of the planet.
I LOVE YOU, DOCTOR ZAIUS
his talk show is kino
I saw it at the multiplex. Whalberg sucked but apart from that it wasn't that bad. it stood out as not being very good back then but in comparison to contemporary hollywood movies its decent
because its stupid
so after mark travels in space, he goes to the future
a future where the apes evolved enough to develop humanlike society, develop clothes, cars and buildings the way humans built them and then had their own version of ape lincoln
its just fricking moronic
So like did ape Abe free human slaves or did he do something else?
It didn't have the charm of the original film.
it's dumb af and makes no sense
TAKE YOUR STINKING PAWS OFF ME YOU DAMN DIRTY APE
>Travels light years to another planet
>The intelligent life on this distant planet speaks English
>Doesn't question it
>Shocked when it turns out to be Earth
Is he moronic?