What makes a character a Mary Sue?
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What makes a character a Mary Sue?
What makes a character a Mary Sue?
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Yeah it really sucked that everyone loved the prequels so much, and child Anakin in particular.
>everyone loved the prequels so much, and child Anakin in particular.
kek prequlshit was never liked
He was being sarcastic
There's many definitions or degrees of Sue-ness but the two most important are
>Author's self insert character
>Automatically liked by existing characters
Rey arguably fits both of these
>Author's self insert character
So, George sees himself as a younger woman?
>Automatically liked by existing characters
She didn't seem very well liked by the other scavengers on Jakku.
George didn't create the version of Rey that went to screen
Scavengers on Jakku are not existing characters, they were added alongside Rey
>George didn't create the version of Rey that went to screen
True, Abrams and Kasdan did tweak her for the final product, but just a tweak.
Anakin
>obi wan didn't want him until his master died
>jedi council outright didn't want to train him
>mace was openly against him
>yoda also didn't think it was wise to train him
Rey:
>Fynn instantly loves her and despite not know anything about her tell her he is in the resistance,something that could have easily gotten him killed
>Han solo instantly loves her and pretty much gives her the keys to the falcon with a few hours of knowing her
>Chebaca instantly treats her as his new master
>Leia hugs and morns with her despite only know rey for a few minutes once the news of han dying is told to her
I dont even like TPM but come on
>when Harry met Sally
Worth noting that the guy who started the whole "MaRey Sue" argument is a hack screenwriter and a pedo.
>pedo
Do people really just try to tack this onto everything now as an attempt to make people side with them by default?
Broken clock analogy.
What's this gay ass homie been up to since the allegations?
>max landis came up with the term mary sue
no
>people only called rey a mary sue because they can't think for themselves and are landis sycophants
also no
you should learn to fricking read
Now, it just means any competent female character.
But traditionally it's to describe an original character in fan fiction everyone is attracted to because of their skills or looks.
>Now, it just means any competent female character.
wrong
>But traditionally it's to describe an original character in fan fiction everyone is attracted to because of their skills or looks.
and wrong
The difference is that we know Anakin going to be Darth Vader
>people make these images
>people save these images
>people post these images
I hesitate to call them people, more like...robots
moronic robots
just call them turdworlders or shitskins, both are applicable
a character that you would like to see fail, but never does
Hey now, she failed to turn a profit!
No one liked anakin tbh
>literally the most popular character in star wars
That would be Darth vader, which is not anakin
You're thinking of a different character ". . . from a certain point of view."
I really really really like the use of ellipsis with spaces. . . mind if I use it?
The child actor was doxed and bullied into never acting again. I don’t think he was as popular as you think
Darth Vader, not prequelkin.
That's just a collection of random characters.
You clearly can't meme
>I don’t buy the Mary Sue thing anyway. I find the term sexist in itself because it’s, ‘Mary Sue’. I don’t think there’s a thing called ‘Ryan Craig’
>Ridley brought up how "everyone was saying that Luke had the exact same [capabilities]," and she also took issue with the entire notion of a Mary Sue, noting that it's an inherently gendered objection: "The Mary Sue thing in itself is sexist because it’s the name of a woman."
Gary Stu is a thing
>I'm moronic and nobody can stop me
wow
You posted pictures of the worst characters in their own series. What is your point?
>the worst characters in their own series
Never would've guessed considering the amount of dickriders Boba, Maul and even Anakin each have.
>shows a mix between shitty and good writing
what did he mean by this?
Notice how whoever did this left out both Bella and Katniss, a mary sue and a *relatively* well-written character
>Bella
She isn't among the chud hitlist. If anything, they probably LOVE her for being so male-dependent.
Your entire leftard fight is against a cartoonish strawman of a right that has never existed
Bella is a shitty self insert. Are we talking about Twilight right?
Katniss I don't know much about her, I just remember her being boring and generic
that collage on the bottom is so fricking random. like who actually likes ted mosby? or "IM LE PROTAGONIST" from tenet, or the fricking mallet dude from guardians of the galaxy? the most legitimate one there is actually harry potter, but that franchise is mostly popular with women anyway, so it's still moronic.
>w*jak
>negative 200iq take
Without fail. No wonder shartoddlers are all underage
Frick you cretins, Anakin is based and his fall and redemption is kino.
He's a moron and Lucas remembered he was going to be Darth Vader at the last minute of ep3. And the redemption is only on DV's shoulders, in the OT
You are moronic.
Nice argument. You are not butthurt by facts at all
Lying about the movies is not "facts" you homosexual.
Then stop doing it. Emotions don't debunk facts
Honestly both those shows suck.
Where's the part where Rey get sliced in half and left near a boiling lava pool
Not all failure is physical, my son.
>The Force Awakens: She flees Maz Kanata’s bar in an attempt to ignore the call to adventure out of fear of what she sees in her visions leading to her capture. This is moral failure, an act of cowardice in the face of adversity.
>The Last Jedi: Her desire to redeem Kylo leads her to rush into a trap and gets her captured. Though she escapes her captors she fails to turn Kylo to the light sides of the force.
>The Rise of Skywalker: Rey not only fails to locate the Wayfinder that will lead her to Exigol in her rage she almost kills Kylo and give into the Dark Side. Her fear of giving into the Dark Side leads her to temporarily go into hiding.
"Buh-but she doesn’t lose a hand, so none of it counts! Checkmate SJWs!!1!"
I just want to see her destroyed and humiliated and seen as trash by her former companion
Dude, in case you didn't watch TLJ (you obviously didn't), Luke's friends and the rest of the galaxy still thought highly of him even after his frick up. Wtf are you talking about?
I said what I said.
I want to see her destroyed and humiliated and seen as trash by her former companion
(comparison to Anakin as in OP's pic obviously, moron bringing in Luke for no reason???)
Ehh, later.
Like
said, she was NOT meant to have the same arc as Anakin.
Also,
>seen as trash by her former companion
You really think that way of Obi-Wan?
>Like
Because "falling to the Dark Side" wasn't her arc. TFA expressly and succinctly tells us everything we need to know about Rey. She wants to find her family, find her own identity, belong to something important, do good, look for adventure, etc.
She then goes through a great arc of self-acceptance, finding where she belongs, coming to grips with her past, and then the Skywalkers bringing her in as one of their own. said, she was NOT meant to have the same arc as Anakin.
So why OP's pic compared them like they're similar?
Rey didn't have an arc at all.
Neither did Luke until Rian actually made him interesting.
>luke again
Rent free
Rian turned him into a sóygay loser as a self insert and to appeal to homos like you. Not that interesting.
>snort
t. complete shitpost
seek help
Anakin failure was both physical and emotional my son. Rey doesn't change, nothing changes within her, not how others see her, nothing.
>Rey doesn't change
Because "falling to the Dark Side" wasn't her arc. TFA expressly and succinctly tells us everything we need to know about Rey. She wants to find her family, find her own identity, belong to something important, do good, look for adventure, etc.
She then goes through a great arc of self-acceptance, finding where she belongs, coming to grips with her past, and then the Skywalkers bringing her in as one of their own.
None of these are flaws dumbass. She gets two different backstories in two movies. You can't even give Rey a background
>she just accepts she was awesome all the time
Mary sue
Her ultimate failure is being born with a vegana.
Thank you for proving
right.
You're welcome. Anything I can do to deny a voice to the lesser sex is an honor.
Do you think I respect that aging cuck?
>fat israelite hates masculinity
big shock.
Troll or not that image is fricking hilarious
>What makes a character a Mary Sue?
They're a woman and some leftist homosexual writer wants to lecture me about some gay shit about women being equal to men when they plainly aren't.
You footgays just can't help yourselves, can you? It's non-stop, 24/7 feet feet feet feet feet feet feet are you happy know you scummy toelicker?
Completely moronic infographic there. Anakin is not a Mary Sue because he turned evil and everyone knew he was destined for evil at that point. You could say that it was only foreknowledge that stopped Gary Stu accusations at young Anakin I suppose, but unsurprisingly Rey had no fall to evil so she ended up being a true Mary Sue
People tolerated Anakin because, despite being the chosen one, he failed and ultimately turned to evil towards the end. That is a neat subversion of the trope, and I think it should be praised even if the whole trilogy wasn't great.
Him building C3P0 Got some push back early on. I think even Robot Chicken made fun of it before it was cool to hate it. Or maybe when it was cool to hate it.
The "Now THIS is podracing!" scene was a fricking meme for every, no one liked it.
Rey tearing a piece out of a machine to make it work is stupid because that's not how machines work. You can't just yank out a component without fricking everything up.
But your funny image can be tweaked to show the guy slowly becoming more annoying with Starwar's nonsense.
Why is Anakin building Cp30 a problem?
He works in a scrapshop for droids and other similarities.
It's the equivalent of assembling your own computer.
It's a dumb association that didn't need to exist and shrinks the "world" by the nature of it.
>Queen Amidala owned astromech droid R2D2
>Anakin built butler droid C3P0
>not the other way round
Lucas was already senile by the late 90s.
You make it sound like he was producing his own circuit boards.
>Why is Anakin building Cp30 a problem?
Because its unlikely that he would have been smart enough to do so, and its even more unlikely that C3P0 would be so important later on. There's no reason for him to have made the thing in the first place.
>It's the equivalent of assembling your own computer.
No, its the same as building your own computer, and that computer lasting several decades while being an important facet of the world multiple times.
The only reason your computer doesn't last is due to planned obsoletion.
Cp30 still working is hardly Anakin's doing.
>Because its unlikely that he would have been smart enough to do so,
You mean the magical child of prophecy who works in a droid shop?
I do; that same magical child had to be trained to be a Jedi, and then still lost multiple times and won due to rejecting the order and what not. So clearly the chosen one buff isn't all its cracked up to be. Didn't Yoda admit that with his "maybe we read the prophecy wrong" line?
Also, he was said to bring balance to the force; not be a fantastic droid smith.
>Ace fighter pilot
>Becomes one of the most powerful space wizards of all time
>kills Palpatine , bringing balance to force
>Too stupid to make a droid
Huh? Out of all the writing issues this is your hang up?
Well, no. I didn't say it was my "hang up"; just that its dumb. If your goal post moving is that there's bigger fish to fry, then there is. I was never arguing that it wasn't. But it is dumb. There's a million and one neat backstory ideas for C3P0 and the writers went "lol, Ani built him. No big deal".
>There's a million and one neat backstory ideas for C3P0 and the writers went "lol, Ani built him. No big deal".
I mean yeah that was moronic but I feel like he would be smart enough to make a droid. The real issue is just how much of a cop out that is story wise
>There's a million and one neat backstory ideas for C3P0
Why? He's an appliance. The more of a jumped up backstory you give him, the sillier it is. Having him be in the vicinity of Vader as a kid is already pushing it, but I understand you have to get him in the movie somehow.
>Too stupid to make a droid
There's nothing you listed that suggested he'd be smart enough to build a droid. You essentially said
>Ace pilot in the military
>Excellent soldier
>Killed the bad guy
>Can't build a robot
Holy shit, maybe he can't build a droid. Why should he be able to?
C3PO is just a collection of standard parts.
>Because its unlikely that he would have been smart enough to do so
Then Rey bypassing the compressah is also bullshit.
C3PO is a mass produced consumer brand product.
When we're told Anakin "built him", we can presume he scavenged parts and put them together. He didn't program his CPU.
My issue is that the Star Wars universe is a huge galaxy with hundreds of inhabited planets and probably trillions of creatures. The amount of coincidence of the same core 20 characters perpetually looping back into each other again and again — and the “did you know x was actually y and knew z?” is just dumb
C3PO and R2TD are supposed to be these tertiary characters who appear in all of the movies though.
In George's original concept they were the ones telling the story, some time int he distant future.
I would like for a sequel (not necessarily a trilogy, only) to the sequel series that just forgets about the Jedi and the Sith, and focuses on other types of characters. There does not even need to be a New-Neo-Resurgent Galactic Empire. In the previous movie, they were throwing around terms like First Order and Final Order. That's it, let's be done with that. How about the New Republic takes on the Vong out of the main familiar galaxy of the Star Wars series, or sends expeditions to go on Star Trek-style journeys to explore more galaxies?
>why do the characters we focus on continue to pop up???
Are you some kind of super moron?
It's a movie about these specific characters.
Not a nature documentary.
>Pretending Anakin Skywalker in the prequels wasn't also garbage for some reason
Both the prequels and sequels are shit.
All those statements about Anakin are wrong. He wasn't a messiah, his birth came about from two Sith lords messing with the Force. He didn't build C3PO, he found him in the trash and refurbished him. And he didn't win a war by himself, he participated in a battle.
Rey's "bypassing the compressor" scene makes her seem like a Mary Sue because she just showed up and is instantly better than other characters at the things those characters are supposed to be the best at. Han and Chewie flew and serviced the Millennium Falcon for decades, they know every nook and cranny and bolt and wire in the ship, but they didn't know how to fix this problem, and yet she did somehow.
Theyre both shit , the sequels main issue is trying to copy the original series too much and adopting the writing style of Joss Whedon whereas the prequels are terrible acting and hack cliche writing that takes itself too seriously
The entire point of Anakin is that being such a child prodigy and being celebrated as a hero at a young age made him wienery and expecting of greatness in ways that lead to him becoming Vader.
Episode 1 works on two levels. It's an adventure for kids to enjoy, but everything in it is foreshadowing at the same time.
Setting up Anakin as a character who has an affinity for machines is also a bit of cruel foreshadowing for him becoming half a machine.
>What makes a character a Mary Sue?
Flawless character that is great at everything and is liked by everybody.
Rey fits the mold perfectly at least in the first movie which is the only one i bothered watching.
It doesn't apply to anakin in the slightest as he is very flawed and not well liked by the other characters at all.
>Flawless character that is great at everything and is liked by everybody.
A "flawed"character that faces no consequences for its flaws or that the story rewards eitherway is still a mary sue
wrong.
a woman with an unbelievable degree of competence, to the point where she transcends her sexuality and is respected as a man. a gary stu is just a cope c**ts use to equivocate, being that it only signifies a competent man.
Hypercompetent characters are fine, when you are writing an hypercompetente character that makes sense and don't make it a mary/gary sue/stu.
Sherlock Holmes, Batman (vastly depending on who writes him), Lara Croft (classic only, the only good one)...
Anakin being the chosen one is exactly why he isn't a Mary Sue. It wasn't a blessing. It was a curse. His power saw him sold to the Jedi who then rejected him out of fear. He "restored balance the force" after a lifetime of suffering and losing everything.
In the case of Anakin we know he's gonna frick it all up in the end.
Rey looks like someone… anyone else see it?
no one said that
It's been a meaningless term for 25 years now.
>t. Mary Sue enjoyer
Anakin works as a Mary Sue because he becomes a villain. Making a villain overpowered is actually a great writing device, increases the challenge for the main characters. Rey is overpowered and morally correct in every turn therefore the challenges she faces are zero and Star Wars has gone 5 years without movies because of how bad it was fricked up by it
This dumb argument only works if you ignore the other two movies.
This is completely missing the point nobody ever defends young anakin in fact he’s the worst part of TPM
Anakin is the main character of star wars. This ho is some random b***h Mary Sue. Go find your own franchise and you won't be a Mary Sue. Still don't get the issue?
anthracite
Yup. Watching men be naturally talented at things and struggle towards greatness is compelling. Watching women do the same is not because we can see how inherently dishonest it is to reality. This is a simple fact of fiction that cowards can never admit because they don't want to be called sexists, but 'Gary Stu's' effectively don't exist except in the most extreme cases.
Anakin wasn't the main character. Neither was he the hero of the story.
the 3rd nu star wars shit was so unwatchable i tried 3 times and never could even get to the half way mark
the prequels & the sequels are both incredibly shit.
So the conclusion to draw from this is... all of Star Wars is shit? Got it
star wars as a whole is fricking trash you god damn infants
SW as a franchise is beyond dead, even fake outrage won't make it trend. It is worthless.
prequelkin is a shit character and Rey is a shit character of the marysue variety.
I don't know wha't hard to understand. But you started with a false premise so it's pointless to explain it to you in the first place
Chuds literally cannot dispute this image.
The image has been BTFOed in 90% of the posts. You just can't read, debate or meme
No one liked Anakin anyway
Anakin had massive character flaws and made horrible choices which had catastrophic consequences
Rey has no character flaws, is constantly right about everything, and any time she does something stupid she never has to answer for it. Nice arse though
The chompers on that creature.
They're both Mary Sues and I don't like either
rey a cute
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
I realise now that I don't really care that she was a Mary Sue, I just hated her as a character because she s fricking annoying and poorly written with nothing really interesting about her at all.
Marysue is just a subcategory of badly written character. Obviously the critical element is that she's badly written
But I don't really care if a character is a Mary Sue or Gary Stu. John Halo is a Gary Stu but still an cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything. Rey is bad because her arc is confused and improvised poorly, and she has no real identifiable traits.
Write male character take away all responsibility, accountability and reason. Mary sue
never having any flaws
the child in pic is just a child prodigy
Anakin was a wonderkid, and he paid the price for it. His natural talent made him arrogant. His arrogance led to his downfall and nearly got him killed, twice, vs. Dooku and Obi Wan. That's a fully fleshed out character. Rey suffered no such consequences for her ability. That's not even getting into the fact that Anakin was still taught to do all these things, and Rey just knew how to do it with black girl magic or something.