What makes a character a Mary Sue?
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Most people at the time disliked the prequel trilogy.
Chuds defend the PT.
no, your falseflagging homosexual Black person, you're gay larp shitting up the board for the better part of a decade isn't the le chud boogeyman, it's your homosexual culture war Black person ass larping
your*
wow that is a lot of slurs sweatie! you are very edgy!!
>Chuds defend the PT.
>chuds
>chuds
yes, chud. you are crying right now.
No, zoomers do because they grew up with it.
Rewatch the prequel trilogy on the japanese dub, especially episode 3. Its basocally a different movie
yeah no shit, I don't speak japanese so I won't know what the frick is going on
It's funny that people keep claiming that it's somehow better with the Japanese dub. But if you actually understand a modicum of Japanese, it's the same exact bullshit dialogue. Seriously, the "I don't like sand" scene isn't any better in Japanese, it's just that if you don't know what's being said, you can pretend that it's something profound based on the delivery (which you could do with Hayden Christensen's delivery as well if you didn't know English).
>Karera wa ima tonde imasu! Karera wa ima tonde imasu ka? Karera wa ima tonde imasu.
Kino.
>kotawaaaaa misssumm isssss
The best way to watch is the English to Arabic to English translation that keeps calling Anakin Allah Gold
not until the reddit letter media reviews was disliking the prequels common.
>zoomer cope
Based on this logic in about 10 or 20 years people will be in love with the sequels
yes that is exactly what will happen when all the 5 year olds who's first experience with star wars being the sequels become 20 year old nostalgia coomers
I thought they were aggressively okay, and I will never change my opinion on that.
The prequels are the story of the rise and fall of the OT villains (both Vader and Palpatine). They both need superhuman qualities to justify their quick ascent to power.
Rey is just a literal who that comes from nowhere to replace beloved male character because the force is female. Now as your generation says, commit unalive, homosexual.
Why can't the left meme?
right wing memes are organic and based on being funny first and foremost, whereas left wing memes start from the message or idea the creator wants to communicate. its the exact top-down approach which doesn’t work that one would expect of leftists
>right wing memes are organic and based on being funny first and foremost
homie all they do is put a million logos of things they don't like on a basedjacks
Right wing memes make fun of something, quick setup and punchline - it's a joke. It resonates with anyone able to have a laugh or notice situational comedy.
Left wing memes aren't a joke - they are a lecture with no punchline. It's attempting to spread their message and ideology and only resonates with butt hurt victims looking for a reason why it's not THEIR fault that they are failures in life.
your image is ironically an ineffective lefty meme
Leftism is inherently contradictory (men are women) and comedy can only be funny if it’s “accurate” like there’s no jokes lefties can even make that wouldn’t just end up being a joke against themselves.
Ha ha, what a joke! You are totally laughable. Keep it up, stud.
chud really isnt that fnny and incel is just an iq test in realtime anybody useing eather term is a perfect candidate to buy x from any viral marketing
Post your face right now
Go on, I double dog dare you muthafricka
>inb4 fake face
>inb4 cope
Now post all the other hit lefty memes that. Surely there are more than just one from five years ago
chud started as
>le registered left face
due to that shooter being a registered leftie at the time
no, it didn't. that just was your first desperate cope. then it became "le israelite face", then "le john oliver face" and so on.
discordtroon raid? it was sorry troony
The kind of democrat who leaves behind a manifesto about the great replacement lmao. Chuds must have immediately realized that this guy's face represents them all and hence started this desperate cover up.
>Using chud
>Not le registered left face
So the point still stands
damn she's as powerful as a little cartoon green goblin. girls do get it done
>Luke says that the Force isn't about lifting rocks
>Luke dies, the movie ends with Rey lifting rocks to save everyone
And that rock's name? Albert Einstein.
>it's not about lifting rocks (a show of strength/power)
>it's about why she's lifting the rocks (to save people's lives)
Even a child could understand the point being made here
Yes even a child can see that the whole point of the sequels is to shit on Luke and promote the unofficial tagline that "the Force is female"
>the whole point of the sequels is to shit on Luke
I could never take the people saying this seriously when the Mandalorian came out and revealed that what the 'fans' wanted all along was Luke to hit bad guys with a lightsaber so they could cum in their pants
No what they wanted was not to throw away his character progression in a completely incoherent fashion
>Actually what if Luke threw away all of his character development from the OT and tried to kill his nephew and then gave up on trying to save him in the exact same way Obi-Wan and Yoda did even though his entire arc was moving past the failures of the previous Jedi Order
I know this is bait but come on, you have to be able to make better bait than this, right?
Its poetry, you know, like from the genius Geoge Lucas. George Lucas is pure kino, right?
I don't really like the prequels either. Especially not Phantom Menace.
>tried to kill his nephew
I thought this too until I actually watched the movie
It's amazing the way the internet twisted this scene, to the point where if your only knowledge of the movie comes from internet discourse then you probably genuinely believe that TLJ had a scene of Luke trying to kill his nephew
he snuck into his room and turned on his fricking lightsaber with the intent to kill him. doesn't really matter that he regrets it. the only part that was fake from kylos warped memory of it was luke being way more aggressive about it
>he snuck into his room
Wrong.
>with the intent to kill him
Wrong again.
whatever moron made this image doesnt understand storytelling even at a very basic level. Obi and Yoda are in hiding for very obvious and defined reasons. Luke's "change" makes no sense given what was already established about the character
>whatever moron made this image doesnt understand storytelling even at a very basic level.
ironic
When obi wan and yoda fled, the entire galaxy had been taken over by a dictator, who was also a sith. It made sense to bide their time, because they'd probably be rounded up and killed if they just stuck around in public. Luke fled when the galactic republic was still in charge, after one of his former students turns.
Also, Obi Wan immediately jumped at the opportunity to get involved and help Luke when he heard about the message from Leia
>No what they wanted was not to throw away his character progression in a completely incoherent fashion
Which is exactly what happened in the Mandalorian
But again the '''''fans''''' creamed over it because he was le heckin badass
Surely you understand that I can't really care about the opinion of someone on the movie, when the movie they WOULD have liked involved Luke doing a triple backflip out of an X-Wing and shooting Force Lightning at the Death Star Mk12
>Which is exactly what happened in the Mandalorian
You don't even know why you are saying this.
If you honestly think turning Luke into the guy who hits things with a lightsaber is faithful to his character then you are moronic
I cried when he killed all those robots. It reminded me of when I had cancer as a childerino and Luke got me through this hard time.
You are aware those were mindless robots ?
And that he had dialogues ?
>mindless robots
is there such a thing in the SW universe?
>You are aware those were mindless robots ?
The frick does that have to do with what I said?
Respect yourself anon, you're not that stupid.
Filoni and Favreau gave Mark Hamill his Luke power fantasy in which he is the Jesus of Star Wars and can do no wrong and is all powerful.
Rian Johnson wrote Luke as a human being with flaws who makes mistakes like everyone else.
Rian Johnson wrote Luke as a psychopath who apparently forgot everything he learned in the most important moments of his life.
And for the record, there is absolutely a right way to portray Luke's fall. Painting everyone who hates Luke in TLJ as some fanboy who just wants to see him as a god is completely disingenuous and continues to make your argument look shittier by association. Fans absolutely would have accepted Luke's fall if it had been done properly. What we got was the majority of it happening off screen, with five minutes of convoluted flashback exposition to explain that he had a plot device vision, went to talk to his nephew, decided to kill his nephew but then totally decided it against it but it was too late cause his lightsaber and there was a funny little misunderstanding and then Kylo also killed all his peers in self-defense lol. It fricking sucked and no amount of strawmanning is going to convince people that it didn't fricking suck.
I don't actually think people would have accepted it. The movie came out in 2017 at the absolute height of pushing beloved characters into being absolute wrecks for an easy sequel and it was still hotly contested. It was just a bad idea. Literally everyone has seen or is intensely familiar with star wars. Luke would've been better off being written out in an X-Wing accident offscreen. I don't think people appreciated it and I don't think they would even if it were written a thousand times better. Some things you should not try to get clever with and one of them was the fate of the main character of the biggest movie of all time that everyone from 5 to 75 has positive happy memories about.
>Rian Johnson wrote Luke as a human being with flaws who makes mistakes like everyone else.
He tried to kill his nephew after a vision lol
No.
No he didn't, watch the movie
>even acting on those dark thoughts going so far as to actually draw and ignite your lightsaber
Shut the frick up, morons.
imagine that
This isn't the gotcha you think it is. It actually reinforces my point.
What point do you think you're making?
Luke vs Vader was in the heat of battle. Kylo by contrast was not an immediate threat
Luke Vs Vader 2 featuring Sheev's Electric Boogaloo was the culmination of Luke's journey to full fledged Jedi Knight too. He gives in to anger. Regrets it immediately. Refuses to finish off his father. He learned what it meant to be a Jedi the instant he refused to kill Vader. To retread that in such a hamfisted way in TLJ is just moronic and not pottery at all.
>Luke Vs Vader 2 featuring Sheev's Electric Boogaloo was the culmination of Luke's journey to full fledged Jedi Knight too
Too bad it's done lamely.
>lamely
What did you want? Some pirouettes like in the prequel dance perf... fights?
>in the heat of battle
You might want to rewatch ROTJ.
When Vader threatens Leia, Luke realizes that his pacifism puts her at risk. And in that scenario time is not on his side since escape is not an option, not with both Vader and Palpatine after him. In the ST, Luke’s pacifism towards Kylo could also put his othervstudents at risk given his vision. The difference though is that with Kylo he has time to try something rational before trying something drastic. Kylo was asleep, not threatening anyone in that instant
>When Vader threatens Leia, Luke realizes that his pacifism puts her at risk.
Right. So no "heat of battle" to speak of.
Just because one side is taking cover doesn’t mean they are not in the heat of battle. Luke is still under pressure, his mind is racing, which Vader picks up on when he learns about Leia’s existence
>Just because one side is taking cover doesn’t mean they are not in the heat of battle.
Yes, that's exactly what it means.
He was still under pressure from Vader so yes the heat was on. This isn’t like Qui Gon vs Maul, where Qui Gon goes into a Jefi trance. Do you also think the sniper scene in Saving Private Ryan also doesn’t count as being in the heat of battle?
>under pressure from Vader
Just as he was "under pressure" from Kylo, right?
He was pressured by his vision, but like I said the difference there is that he had time to do something less drastic since Kylo was sleeping. He wasn’t in the lion’s nest like in the Death Star. The pressure existed in the former but was way lower than the latter
>the difference there is that he had time to do something less drastic since Kylo was sleeping.
And he had all the time to stay hidden in ROTJ. But that's not who Luke is. Luke is someone who acts out of his instincts. Well, he did back then. By the time his TLJ falshback took place, he had learnt to control himself enough to not strike down at Kylo like he struck down at Vader.
>The pressure existed in the former but was way lower than the latter
The pressure was the exact same: The threat that someone might hurt someone he cared about. Just that in the former case it was only Leia, in the latter it was Leia, Han and pretty much everyone else.
>And he had all the time to stay hidden in ROTJ
It’s reasonable to think Vader would have found him eventually, Luke isn’t getting out of that throne room alive which makes the situation way worse. To put it another way, it’s like you are saying a stalker in your house is equally as stressful as getting a message that a stalker knows where you live. Both are bad but the first is a literal fight or flight scenario whereas in the second you have time to work with the authorities or go to a safer place
>It’s reasonable to think Vader would have found him eventually
Doubtful, considering he only had about 15 minutes until the Death Star went down. At that point it'd become priority for everyone to get off that thing.
>considering he only had about 15 minutes
Yeah but Luke didn’t know that. That’s why he tried to kill Palpatine, once he learned it was all a setup, he figured there was a very real chance the Rebels wouldn’t get to the core
>That’s why he tried to kill Palpatine
He still could have done that, had he waited for the right moment. He was pretty good at not getting detected afterall.
Except for, you know, Vader reading his mind.
Reading his mind, yes. Actually knowing where the frick he was, no.
People seem to forget that the Emperor's throne room was pretty small and the only real hiding place was underneath the raised section where the throne sat. Luke was less hiding and more cornered.
If Luke was cornered Vader would not have needed to bait him out of hiding.
He was taunting him, goading him into going onto the attack. Only problem was he hit a very big nerve by targeting Leia.
>goading him into going onto the attack.
Right. Had he known where he was hiding, he would not have needed to do that.
You know it’s possible to be both hidden and cornered right? If a criminal is holed up in a house they are technically hidden but they don’t actually have an escape route for when the SWAT teams start moving in
Well, if he was hidden he was hidden. Not in a battle. That's the difference.
>for when the SWAT teams start moving in
How do they know where to move in when the guy is hidden?
>your nephew in a tactical nap position
Moron.
Vader was being cautious, he would have found Luke eventually but it would be safer to force Luke out of hiding, less elemental of surprise
But that’s just it, if Vader felt Luke’s killing intent, it would be much harder for Luke to pull off a surprise attack. Luke was more preoccupied with his friends/family than killing Vader/Emperor in that moment. The Kylo/Snoke situation doesn’t apply here since Vader already knew who Luke was after given his first failed attempt
>if Vader felt Luke’s killing intent
Luke was pretty intent on killing the Emperor the whole time, actually. Pretty sure Vader must have felt that.
Ah yes, your nephew in a tactical nap position is the same situation as your father, after spending the last 10 minutes kicking your ass, telling you that after he's done kicking your ass in full, is going to go frick your sister up. They're the same thing.
Goofy goober
Are you being moronic on purpose?
Neither of these are true.
Rian assassinated Luke's character and Filoni/Favreau just put a cardboard cutout of Luke on the screen.
OK moron
obvious samegay. Stop defending objective dogshit writing
How can you claim its dogshit writing when you literally didn't know what it meant 30 seconds ago?
And why are you angry at me for explaining it to you?
its objective dogshit. Having a relatively untrained character achieve a feat at a level unseen before in the series is braindead moronic. these movies were made to shit on the fans rather than to tell a good story
>Having a relatively untrained character achieve a feat at a level unseen before in the series
Kinda like when Luke destroyed the most powerful weapon in the universe on the same day he first heard about the force?
>established excellent pilot makes difficult shot
vs
>character randomly decides to lift the entire world
aight
>established excellent pilot
LMAO this was his first time ever in an X-Wing, or any military craft for that matter, or ANY spacefaring ship
It wasn't the same day. They would've probably spent days or week traveling to alderan, and a lot of time would've passed between escaping the death star and the actual attack.
>citation needed
Based on the fact that the prequels say that Tattoine isn't part of the republic implies that its very far away from Alderan, which is an important planet. Han also charges them a ton to travel which implies its a long journey. Yes Im aware a lot of it was for smuggling charges as well.
>the prequels say
so its a retcon at best
the trip to alderaan was a few hours at most
the passage of time in star wars has never been clear
ep 1 is a week at most
ep 2 is likely a month or more, a decent way to track is whenever padme has a new look
ep 3 is multiple months based on padme's pregnancy
ep 4 is a couple days, 3-4 roughly
ep 5 is at least a week, most of the movie taking place on dagobah/ the falcon makes things difficult to pin down
ep 6 is also difficult, the jabba's palace sequence is likely a couple days and then a minor time skip until the mission debrief
>the trip to alderaan was a few hours at most
quick search and seeing other discussions has people saying anything from a few hours to 10 days at the most.
They are never shown sleeping and they all wear the same clothes upon their arrival that they wore when they took off. Its a few hours, every other claim is cope.
10 days is too extreme, han even states a time when they'll arrive in hours, 0200 iirc
which is likely at 9:00am galaxy time
It depends on the type and quality of the hyperdrive. The Millennium Falcon had a souped-up Class 0.5 drive that was extremely fast so it could travel much more quickly than most other ships. For comparison standard Imperial hyperdrives were Class 1 and most civilian ships had Class 2 drives, both slower by a significant amount.
Black person you completely miss the point of the ending of a new hope
Luke fails
on his own skills he missed the shot and against all reason with the threat of complete annihilation he gives himself to a higher power in faith to accomplish something greater than his own ability
the force made the shot to destroy the death star
not Luke
are you implying rey didnt use the force to lift those rocks?
He's implying that its bullshit that she did
but as a comparative feat lukes planet ender blast is more impressive
So you don't need any skills or training, the force can just take over and sort it out for you. Got it.
Rey had no trial of faith
Neither did Luke, you just pulled that out of your ass.
no i didnt
i just explained it you moron
luke had to go against his reasoning and all common practice and sense
he literally had a feeling and sense of obi wan telling to trust the force and had to have faith in that as he is even called out on why he is turning off his targetting computer as again it was going against common practically and giving yourself over to spirituality
>Rey had no trial of faith
Honest question, but did you actually watch the movie or just read a synopsis online?
I didn't even like it that much but it's baffling to me that somebody can miss the point of what the movie was about this hard
he did have training. He was already a pilot and knew how to shoot things. The force just gives you that extra bit of help when you need it.
>on his own skills he missed the shot
The first torpedo was fired by Red Leader. Luke fired the second successful torpedo.
>try to make a point about the writing
>when you're called out and reveal that you don't actually care about the writing, immediately deflect to the true reason behind your frustration, which is powerscaling fanwank bullshit
Actually have a nice day
powerscaling is an absolutely massive reason these movies suck and absolutely qualifies as trash writing. Disneygays on suicide watch lmfao
Powerscalers are easily the most insufferable group of people on the internet and ruin every fan base they come into contact with. They're a more corrosive entity than fricking troons
>Having a relatively untrained character achieve a feat at a level unseen before in the series
Wait a moment ... do you really want to say that lifting a few rocks, a.k.a. every Jedi's fist force trick, is somehow a "feat at a level unseen before in the series"? Really?
the message is so obvious i refuse to believe it went over your head that hard
>looks at camera
>”thanks Obama”
everyone in the theater clapped
I also hated how strong Starkiller was sin the games
>some of the most powerful Jedi of all time can barely move an X wing with tons of time and concentration
>homosexual rips a star destroyer out of the sky
He was the son of two Jedi. Of course he'd be powerful. Children of two force-sensitives would result in literal demigods.
Not canon so your b***hing is worthless
With over 300 seperate pieces of media, who chooses what's canonical and what isn't?
It's all Canon, or none of it is
There is no such thing as "canon".
your masters, obviously
Most people shit on that. I do tend to be a little more forgiving towards videogames since there are lore compromises for the sake of making fun gameplay. For that reason, I also fricking hate it when Disney bootlickers constantly cite games every time some moronic bullshit is added to their slop. Like yeah, force healing is kind of necessary for the sake of fun when you're controlling a videogame character with a health bar. But it's still fricking moronic when put into movies/shows.
Force Unleashed was when I checked out of Star Wars
1. tfu is a video game, it's a power fantasy so powerlevel bullshit is to be expected
for a more accurate depiction of the story the novelization is much more grounded
2. star destroyer was falling out of the sky because he just fired a scap canon at the construction yard, it was less ripping it out of the sky and more attempting to prevent it from crashing into him
EU force powers are fricking crazy, man.
I don't remember it like that, i remember that the cruiser was already at free fall and starkiller used the force to stop it a bit earlier than it should to not get killed
b***h close yo mowph
b***h who the frick is defending child Anakin? Jake LLoyd was getting death threats
>Jake LLoyd was getting death threats
Despite being a hundred times better than Natalie Portman who was awful in all three movies, and put more effort into his lines than McGregor and Nelson did
The kid really tried, it's Lucas' awful direction. He can't do dialogue or character directing, it was never Lloyd's fault
*Neeson, who the flying frick is Nelson
I bet he didn't get any death threats, he faked it like all the black people in the new SW faked the racial abuse they received!!
>What makes a character a Mary Sue?
When chuds aren't attracted to her.
Oh please. Rey is incredibly hot and you know it
She's cute, above average at best.
Reminder Rey earned 90% of her skills.
by sucking my wiener
>whataboutism
its not "whataboutism" though
Anakin "won the war" by accident. He didn't even know what he was doing. He pushed some buttons and blew up the ship. Go rewatch the scene. That's not what a Mary Sue is
>Anakin "won the war" by accident. He didn't even know what he was doing
now THIS is storytelling!
he was a skilled podracer so those skills would transfer over to flying. He did stuff by accident, but that would be "the force" acting and guiding him.
He tried spinning
Prequels ain't the best, but as an OT fan they're """"ok"""". Sequels are their own brand of shit. But Filoni is honestly the worse offender of all especially after using time travel to save his shitty character and turning thrawn into a brain dead moron. He doesn't get enough hate tbh.
filoni can do no wrong, he and lucas created orange buttcheeks
Unironically one of the biggest mistakes ever made.
People make fun of the C-3PO thing all the time even today when the prequels are much more liked than they were on release
>prequels are much more liked than they were on release
no, chuds just pretend to like them out of spite
Nope. You're forgetting that the people criticizing it on release were ADULTS, and the people who like them today (like myself) were KIDS at the time. Maybe our fond memories of enjoying them as kids have biased us, but I do genuinely love the prequels
That's because no one thought the st could possibly be worse, and well... we all saw how they turned out
Everyone hated those three attributes/plot points for Anakin. And the difference is that Anakin has personal shortcomings and multiple failures with real consequences. The entire point of the prequel narrative is how hard he fricks up in spite of everything he had going for him. He's forced to struggle for what he wants, and a number of characters openly display their apprehension about him.
Rey has everything handed to her. Lightsabers, starships, droids, etc etc. She has inexplicable skills and abilities, and no real personal shortcomings. Allies immediately love her, and enemies respect her. Every character, new and old, revolves around her in some way. She rarely makes mistakes, and when she does it either works in her favor (Snoke and dying and Kylo becoming increasingly infatuated with her) or has no lasting consequence (Chewie died but actually he didn't). Anakin's story ends as a mutilated shell of who he once was, while Rey's ends with her proudly declaring herself Skywalker while the legacy characters nod in approval.
This, she is pretty much a Disney princess, it's quite fitting when you think about it.
Rey’s journey begins in isolation and hardship on Jakku. Unlike Anakin, who is identified as the Chosen One early on and has a clear path within the Jedi Order, Rey lives a life of uncertainty and struggle. She is abandoned by her family and forced to survive as a scavenger, highlighting her resilience and resourcefulness from the start. Her quest to understand her identity and place in the galaxy becomes a central theme, filled with uncertainty and internal conflict.
Rey's journey is also marked by significant losses and personal growth. The death of Han Solo deeply affects her, and she struggles with the immense responsibility of being the last hope for the Jedi. The revelation of her lineage and the burden of choosing her path despite this truth is a profound challenge. By the end of her story, Rey's decision to take on the Skywalker name is not a simple, triumphant moment. It's the culmination of her struggles with identity, belonging, and legacy. It symbolizes her acceptance of her place in the galaxy and her commitment to continuing the Skywalker legacy, honoring those who came before her.
>filled with uncertainty and internal conflict
no it wasnt
she literally just keeps bb8 because she just knows she should because she just is a perfect person
This. It makes the OT better by retroactively showing just how much Anakin fricked up despite how easy his life could've been if he listened to the Order and stopped being a whiny homosexual
What is with you autists and thinking the Jedi were ever completely right? Shit's more nuanced than that.
Mary Sues are fine but it doesnt make it an excuse to be a boring character, if they are going to be OP they should at least do cool shit
No is saying the pt was great. They were an honest attempt by Lucas that didn't pan out too well. The st on the other hand feel like whoever was making them hated the fanbase and was intentionally trying to piss them off the entire time. Sorry nobody likes your mary sue and her movies, troons
Lucas literally changed the OT in grotesque ways and had the tapes of the theatrical cuts DESTROYED to spite the fans
star wars is dumb and the fact you're caring way too much about it tells a lot about your personality
it's like trying to make sense out of backyardigans or naruto
People complained about Anakin being a Mary Sue all the time when Phantom Menace first came out. The only reason they stopped was because Anakin completely fricked up everything in Revenge of the Sith.
We knew he becomes Darth Vader. That was never in question. The point is to show how tragic that the Jedi's Messiah turned evil and killed them all.
Anakin literally failed and fell to the darkside. How is he a Mary sue?
So sick of people watching a ‘story’ and then act like it’s a documentary.
Defending Kathleen Kennedy's pet project, even as a troll, is an admission of homosexuality. OP sucks dicks.
chuds do say that and look like that
It's pathetic that the only way people who like the sequels can defend how objectively shit they are is by going "B-B-BUT THE PREQUELS!!!!" Yes, Phantom Menace sucks dicks, that does not make your movie good.
It's also funny because every single time it just ends with people reasserting that the prequels are in fact better than the sequels, so they can't even clear that bar.
Correct. Honestly the sequels are some of the worst movies ever written, especially 7 and 9. JJ Abrams is a fricking blight upon society itself. At least the side content that came out of the prequel era was good.
This, at least the prequel era had good games and comics
Word.
Not trying to sound schizo, but those dune posters type exactly like them. I think they're the same person.
1 > 4 > 5 > 6 = 3 > 2
no wonder the sequels turned out so shit, they copied the prequels
It's pathetic that the only way people who like the prequels can defend how objectively shit they are is by going "B-B-BUT THE SEQUELS!!!!" Yes, Rise of Skywalker sucks dicks, that does not make your movie good.
They're both bad but the prequels gain an edge by not being made during "the force is female" woke trend. I mean you know it's going to end with Anakin becoming Vader so it's not very surprising plus it gets hammy and boring but it's still better by virtue of having nothing to do with Disney or Rian Johnson.
>You posted a true statement
>I took your post and turned it into an untrue statement
>I win, chud
I look like the bottom chud. Can someone reccomend a skin care routin
talk about being obsessed with /misc/ when it's always been russian shills larping as nazis
so tired of this homosexual shit
Did you miss the part where Anakin was an emotionally unstable psycho, who fell to the dark side, betrayed his friends and murdered his wife?
Nobody have ever, ever said those things about the kid.
Anakin fails all the time in Attack of the Clones despite having had a decade of training.
Which is less than most Jedi have, to be fair.
Lol this is accuratge
I'm sure it is, op
It's not because nobody thinks Anakin in Episode 1 is a good character
>Anakin is a prophesized messiah
How did that prophesy turn out?
>He built C3P0
So? He's good at machines, but since he's still an enslaved kid, his robot is janky looking.
>Won a war
Is absurd, which is why it's played comedically
>Rey fixing the Falcon
Would be fine except it's used to drag down Solo in order to build her up, when he should know his own ship, which is classic Mary Sue.
messiah prophesized to "bring balance to the force".
The jedis "good side", were dominating too much of the galaxy with their interpretation of the force.
By decimating the jedis and killing the last major proponent of the sith, he as messiah brought balance. Removed the "bullshit" interpretations of the force, and brought in Luke skywalkers "grey" middle ground force position. (what Qui gonn and other characters in Rebels for example call "the living force".
tldr
jedis and sith were wiped out, this brought balance to the force. Jedi wasn't necessarily the "good" side.
"From a certain point of view"..
As you pointed out, Anakin was the Chosen One, birthed by the Force iteself..
Rey wasn't.
I didn't like Anakin either for all things you posted on your meme
Anakin WAS a mary sue in Phantom menace btw
though his character at least had the saving grace of being a special insert for 9 year olds (even though no 9 year old ever has wanted to imagine themself as the little kid)
This. Everyone hates child Anakin.
Him building C3PO is the second most moronic thing in the prequels.
>strawman the thread
Who said that Anakin was good written character?
all this things you mentioned were moronic as frick!
What the frick does that image mean? Looks like something AI came up after being fed basedjack memes.
Are you moronic? I figured it out in 5 seconds.
Anakin is cool and edgy as frick people like him more then Luke at times, Rey is pretty lame
being able to 'pay off' without ever having to 'set up'
break the rules at your peril, screenwriters!
>I don’t buy the Mary Sue thing anyway. I find the term sexist in itself because it’s, ‘Mary Sue’. I don’t think there’s a thing called ‘Ryan Craig’
>Ridley brought up how "everyone was saying that Luke had the exact same [capabilities]," and she also took issue with the entire notion of a Mary Sue, noting that it's an inherently gendered objection: "The Mary Sue thing in itself is sexist because it’s the name of a woman."
She's correct. The reason we dislike her character is because of sexism, but it's a correct and reasonable type of sexism. A woman would never be able to do those kinds of things, even with "the Force". It's just not believable. The abilities of the female sex are way too limited for her character to feel plausible
>She's correct.
She's incorrect. The term Gary Stu probably gets more hits on this domain than Mary Sue.
She's another dime a dozen dipshit who offended herself with her ignorance.
>I don’t think there’s a thing called ‘Ryan Craig’
It's called Gary Stu.
Jesus. Only one.
I want the Dome of the Rock
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Acolyte twist is secret twin.
>a Mary Sue
a what?
this is an America-only term, I guess?
what does it mean?
It's when you marry someone and afterwards regret it so you sue them for tricking you into marrying them
Anakin wasn't a Mary Sue because he was more of a loser, actually. Got owned by Obi-wan and didn't do anything really that spectacular or amazing during the whole trilogy.
>DUDE IF YOU TOTALLY IGNORE THE REST OF THE PREQUEL TRILOGY ANAKIN IS A MARY SUE LIKE REY!!!
Meanwhile if you take the entire Sequel Trilogy into account Rey is still kind of a Mary Sue.
Rey wasnt a mary sue
there was a good reason she was so good/lucky etc; she is the descendant of the most powerful dark jedi ever known.
what Rey actually is; she is badly written.
you have to suspend your disbelief in Rey's amazing abilities for two and a half shit moves in order to finally get a reason to suspend your disbelief.
Some may argue that is too much to ask
Was Palpatine born overpowered or did he actually have to train? He had a master who taught him did he not? Rey being just able to do everything with no effort is ridiculous. If she had become ultra powerful by actually training properly it might have felt more believable, but they DELIBERATELY omitted that because "the Force is female"
>what Rey actually is; she is badly written.
That post is arguing that the problem is that the "bad writing" in question consists in the fact that it took too long to reveal who she was, but if we had known it would have been believable. I'm disputing that. Even as the child of a powerful jedi she still would have had to train
true
palpatine needed no explanation in ROTJ.
he was there only so Vader had a higher power to turn against.
but for a protagonist that carries a story and viewers empathise and journey with there have to be some essential character building moments.
Rey has nothing apart from perhaps a tragic youth and we are told squat about that either
>dark jedi
Palaptine was a Sith. And dark jedi's a dumb name that only exists because Zahn didn't know what the Sith were supposed to be. Clinging to the term after the fact serves to show how fanboys refuse to just let shit go.
everyone hated those things about the prequels. except anakin accidentally flying a starfighter, that was pretty cool, but it would have been a lot cooler if he were some angsty late-teens rebellious punk that intentionally and illegally hijacked a republic ship to go frick shit up. which is what i suspect george initially had in mind before babifying SW.
What's impressive about building a robot in a cave from a box of scraps?
Anakin being the chosen one is an essential aspect of the plot, and a huge theme of the prequels is how he struggles with being the chosen one.
Rey is just great and everything and they don't explain it. Or maybe they do in the last movie, I didn't watch that shit. Either way her character was handled poorly, which is a shame because she could have been cool.
>implying anyone liked the prequels
Retrospectively they just don't seem AS bas as they did when they came out, because of the utter trash that is the new run.
The villain literally can't be a mary sue moron
People hated the prequels and still do, but yeah Rey was still way worse. Nobody really cared about Anakin besides the old guy, the rest didn't care.
The six films are one story, you have to take into account all the times Anakin/Vader fails or fricks up which is a lot.
So if a new SW comes out next year in which Rey fricks up a lot and it turns out there was a prophecy which accounts for her epic skills, then the ST retrospectively becomes good?
Don't ask me stupid questions.
OT came out before prequels though
The difference is that Anakin, despite his talent, fails constantly and gets his ass whooped by almost everyone because of his arrogance. In contrast, Rey is perfect at everything, suffers no actual hardships and is stronger than everyone with zero training
>The difference is that Anakin, despite his talent, fails constantly and gets his ass whooped by almost everyone because of his arrogance.
I don't remember any of that in the phantom menace
Anakin is more of a side character in the PM. But even in the PT
>Anakin is a slave to a space israelite
>is unable to save his mom from slavery
>gets tossed around and exchanged like a ragdoll by adults throughout the movie
>his only father figure gets killed
>becomes a jedi even though that was never what he wanted, movie ends with him being miserable and Padme being his only real bright spark.
Meanwhile in TFA:
>Rey is able to liv and feed for herself alone
>is an expert droid maker
>can speaks 6 gorillion languages
>excellent naval engineer, immediataly knows Han's own ship better than him
>can use the Force easy peasy with zero training
>immediately upon picking a lightsaber destroys a jedi prodigy in Kylo Ren with Skywalker bloodline
And that's from the things I can remember. I don't even want to get into the other trash movies.
>unable to save his mom from slavery
Why btw? Why didn't they buy her freedom at the end of PM or just, you know, punch the guy who owned her?
Because the Jedi are c**ts and they didn't want Anakin to have an emotional attachment to his mom.
I don't remember Anakin being an expert in languages. He was capable with droids and that was an integral plot point to his character (let's not forget he spent his whole life tinkering and building droids for Watto)
>I don't remember Anakin being an expert in languages
How did he program C3P0 to know six million forms of communication then?
probably plugged the language chip in. Dumbfrick
He probably took spare parts from other similar droids. You're overthinking this way too much.
Rey's problems as a character have little to do with her being chosen one. She sucks because throghout the entire story of Disney's fanfiction she is perfect at everything and never once suffers in any way.
I don't know gay. How do you use google translate?
>How did he program C3P0 to know six million forms of communication then?
He built a Protocol Droid... a a poor slave, etched the microchips, used advanced machinery to lathe solenoids to ±0.1 tolerances, wired and soldered millions of miles of wires... SURE. Because that happens in DESERT ENVIRONMENT zones to unskilled labor with rusty tools and fine airborne sand. CAN ANYONE ELSE USE THEIR BRAINS?!?
Remember those ultralight helicopter kits? Scale model kits of model cars? IKEA FURNITURE? Computer assembly kits?
Just buy a flat pack and use a hex wrench or super glue or a set of wire snips. You're not CREATING the hardware, as that was mass produced elsewhere at scale, you're just INEXPERTLY ASSEMBLING an existing kit of items. "Built a Protocol Droid FROM A KIT", "Built a Ultralight Airplane from A KIT", "Built a home computer FROM A KIT", Built a bookshelf FROM IKEA"... we're not talking INVENTOR or MACHINIST or ENGINEERING here, we're talking AMATEUR PREMADE MASS-PRODUCED KIT ASSEMBLY.
>>is an expert droid maker
>>can speaks 6 gorillion languages
This applies to Anakin in PM when he is way younger than Rey lmao. What a disingenuous post.
>He thinks Anakin built C3PO from scratch and personally taught him 6 million forms of communication himself as a child
holy shit
>becomes a jedi even though that was never what he wanted
anakin did want to become a jedi, but his idea of what a jedi should be was different from what the council decided jedi were
qui gon was much better suited for helping anakin reach his potential without falling to the dark side and his death was what really doomed anakin, everything else was just fuel for sheev
I maintain that powerscalers are the worst thing to ever happen to media discourse and are the cause of 99% of this bullshit
No concept of subtext, of storytelling, no attempt to understand Anakin's role in the story and why he is written the way he's written. To them it's just comparing feats
The prequels weren't centered on Anakin though, he was just the major character since he was the One fortold in Prophecy.
Disney Sue girl was a nobody that was just amazing for no real reason just because the writers are shit and need females to be amazing and perfect.
>the One fortold in Prophecy.
Reminder that the whole "The One" and "Prophecy" garbage didn't exist prior to the prequels. If the Sequels had introduced another prophecy, would it make Rey's powers justified?
This bait is terrible because it ignores that Anakin literally becomes a tyrannical villain who ruins his own life.
When it's an overly important self insert. It's not just an overpowered protag.
Anakin
>born through a vergence in the Force, destined to fulfill an ancient prophecy ordained by the 3 physical manifestations of the Force
>is Watto's slave and works in his scrapyard, surrounded by maintenance/pit droids, tech and vehicles
>has already claimed to be "the only" human podracer as well as building his own podracer, podracers are literally starship thruster chariots
>building Threepio reinforces Anakin's mechanical and technical aptitude
>Anakin's podracer and the N1 Starfighter have very similar control yokes/handlebars and display readouts and control panels (Like Luke's Skyhopper to X-Wing)
Rey
>starving scrapper with a swoop bike
>no clues or hints as to why she's so good at everything, she just is
>flies the Millennium Falcon, a notoriously finicky ship(and why Han lost it being even stupider) through the dead super structure of a Star Destroyer her first time flying while lining up shots for Finn
>automatically better than everyone because she's main character despite not having any interesting character development or backstory, literal RPG player character blank slate, good for a game bad for a movie
>regularly gives in to anger yet never tempted by Dark Side
>all her skill/knowledge explained after the fact in "EU" material instead of the movies she was introduced in. Seriously, there were glimmers of good writing with things like Finn's character development(until they ruin him too 15 minutes into his debut)
Disney Wars is fricking shit. They haven't added hardly anything worthwhile to STAR WARS since acquiring it. What have they accomplished? Season 1 of Mandalorian? Maybe Rogue One? Seriously, it's been over a decade. Has any Good to Great STAR WARS stories/experiences come out since the Clone Wars multimedia event?
They created the best SW ever (Andor).
Impossible. I haven't even bothered to watch it. Therefore it isn't the best SW.
Watch it immediately
Soi bois queefinbg about them incessantly is usually a good indicator.
Like sticking up for the actress might earn them karmic pee-pee touch points (it won't).
>raised by a mechanic to build droids and repair ships
How could OP over look this fact? Also the ship was on auto pilot kek
>the ship was on auto pilot kek
If a single ship on auto pilot can win the entire war, why don't they always do that? This breaks the whole SW universe
He disables the auto pilot after it gets him near the fleet. Everyone knows landing and taking off is the only hard part. Google it
Wait so it wasn't on autopilot then and he did in fact win the war by himself?
anakin was a slave that murderd kids.......
M M MARRYYY SUUE ITS TOTALY JUST LIKE REY
I hated the prequels though, so your example fails. Have fun arguing with pathetic prequelgays though. Ask them how their funko pop collection is going, and what their personal fursona is.
The "I bypassed the compressor" criticism is dumb because 15 minutes earlier she fricked up some wires in the ship and nearly killed Finn.
It's almost like if some people are arguing in bad faith.
The prequels (especially the first movie) were lambasted so severely that George Lucas got upset and sold the whole franchise to people that he considered "white slavers" and the child playing anakin became a schizophrenic career criminal. If anything they only prove that people were not nearly hard enough of daisy ridley and Disney in general.
we called the prequels shit for those reasons, among others.
When she won't Marry (You)
It's probably different because Anakin was clearly set up as an enslaved kid who had to abandon his mother, so there's a whimsical feeling of wanting to root for him where him succeeding just feels better, plus we knew at the time Anakin was going to turn evil so his skill had a menacing quality and it was obviously setting up something tragic. There's just way more going on than Rey had going on in 7
Having said that, Anakin definitely was similarly an empowerment fantasy for kids just like Rey was for girls, so Phantom Menace does feel corny in a way
Anakin is a tragic hero
Most of Anakin's story is focused on his downfall
It's easy to list Anakin's weaknesses but not so easy for Rey
Your mom is a tragic hoe
Most of your mom's life is focused on her downfall
It's as easy to list your mom's weaknesses as it is for you to be gey
this actually made me realize that Hollywood writers treat women characters the same way they treat small child self-insert type characters.
>he's a genius who can do anything he puts his mind to, some day he will become a great jedi!
Nobody liked the boring prequels except to be contrarian. I hear product reps do that all the time to get people talking about their product. It's also why they don't talk too proudly about being product reps. You can always tell a product rep because he refuses to discuss the flaws in his product. A fan boy will tell you everything he loves and hates about his favorite product.
>everybody who likes something is a shill
Reminder that when Han died, Leia hugged Rey instead of Han's best friend of 50+ years.
djd that make you feel white genocided?
Surely this will be the post that gets chuds to like Star Wars again
>chudjak saying "this is everything"
are you insane? that would never happen
>low IQ morons still don't understand that mary sue doesn't mean "character is good at something", it's referring to fan fiction OCs being inserted into extant worlds and instantly taking over and having everything suddenly revolve around them, which is what rey is
>extant worlds
NOT MY EXTANT WORLD! NOT MY ESTABLISHED LORE!
>>low IQ morons still don't understand that mary sue doesn't mean "character is good at something", it's referring to fan fiction OCs being inserted into extant worlds and instantly taking over and having everything suddenly revolve around them, which is what rey is
tbf most of the people who hate the movies make that same mistake
The Last Jedi basically slaughtered any remaining corners of film discussion online for everybody
>The Last Jedi basically slaughtered any remaining corners of film discussion online for everybody
What TLJ did was to attract Star Wars fanboys to film discussion, believing that they knew what they were talking about because they'd watched CinemaSins and read TVTropes.
I don't really care Black person. If a character is too good at shit but it paints a good picture thematically, or is compelling to watch, it's fine and I'm not gonna nitpick.
If the character is too good and it comes at the expense of the others in ways that indicate the writer is dick riding their favorites then it sucks and I tune out.
Baby Anakin does come off as a Mary-Sue made for babies to self-insert as
>b-but he becomes a moody prick in the later movies and dies a tragic hero!
Don't care, George fricked up TPM by putting in too much goofy shit
>Don't care, George fricked up TPM by putting in too much goofy shit
TPM is a family film. Therefore, it will have things in there for the kids to enjoy.
the goal to making a family film is to not be grating to adults. otherwise you've made a kid's movie, and kids will watch literally anything.
>kids will watch literally anything.
Depends on how old they are. Jar Jar's for the little kids.
George should have just made an animated movie for the the kids instead of forcing his cartoon character into a movie that's supposed to appeal to the whole family
Historical revision. Anakin creating 3PO is a textbook example even today that not everything in the story needs to be interconnected and the immaculate conception of him was always contrived eyeroll shit.
>Anakin literally the chosen one
>builds C3P0 because his entire life's job is working with droids and machines
>is able to pilot a Starfighter because it's similar to a podracer, has an inherent advantage in being a Force creation, still gets shot down and takes a lucky shot
The media illiteracy of Disney fanfic chuds is incredible.
Neither one is a dead ringer, though they both have some of the traits. Rey checks more mary sue boxes than anakin does marty stu. The most obvious being that that a mary sue would never murder innocent sand people. Even if they had to justify it post fact it would never be treated as bad.
>Having your arms and legs cut off, your dick burned off, your wife dying and kids taken away, to know nothing but misery and suffering for the rest of your life in a walking iron lung.
This is not a mary sue you stupid troon.
The prequels are about the forming of an antagonist
Very different from the heroes Journey than
People on Cinemaphile in the 2000s literally hated the prequels and thought this shit was forced and corny. Anakin is just as bad as Rey.
Anakin was a slave. He had to learn or die. Rey was a poor neet but otherwise lived an okay life (ie me). She had no reason for why she'd know about ship mechanics.
Any woman portrayed as a “hero”. Women are not heroes. They can at times do heroic things. But hero is the sole domain of the man. Cheers!
Don't worry, friend, come January 21, 2025, women will be returned to their rightful place.
Yeah but we know Anakin went through a lot of training over a decade to fine tune and fully harness his “messiah” power. It wasn’t like Rey where she ages like two years by the time she becomes a force god queen b***h who is unstoppable.
>It wasn’t like Rey where she ages like two years by the time she becomes a force god queen b***h who is unstoppable.
Rey never won a single fight in the whole trilogy without the other party being at a significant disadvantage that was completely out of her control. How exactly is that "unstoppable"?
What’s the point of lying, seriously?
Okay, troll, name one fight that she did win on equal terms.
Rey was a literal scavenger who was good at shooting, granted, but Anakin (if we only look at the prequels) got training by a master Jedi, while she didn't and she barely struggled to get it right.
Anakin is the villain.
i love how its been like 3-5 years and outsiders are still using the word 'chud' to out themselves, despite chud STILL having no meaning other than 'the person typing this word does not belong here'
dang u got us
Anakin was very much a Mary Sue in TPM but we all knew where he would end up at when watching it for the first time, so it was interesting to see how this talented kid would become the actual right hand man of space hitler and we see him struggle and fail a bunch of times in Eps 2 and 3
Rey is just consequently the best at everything for 3 movies non stop and she never really fails or even trips, her only real motivation is finding out about her past and then after finding it, she quickly kills it in revenge like any Jedi would do. Sequel trilogy would have worked much better if it centered on Kylo Ren, who actually has a much more compelling arc
The people who propagate the "Anakin was a Mary Sue too" argument must be severely moronic. We already knew Anakin was Darth Vader, so the Chosen One prophecy and Anakin's apparent Mary Sue-ness is dramatic irony and a subversion of those types of characters. It's a much more clever and subtle kind of subversion than TLJ's stupid gotcha moments.
>the Chosen One prophecy and Anakin's apparent Mary Sue-ness is dramatic irony
This is the most /r/eddit argument I've read in a while. Congrats.
Unrealistic skills and abilities while having no flaws.
Anakin cannot be a Mary Sue because he has flaws.
Anakin didn't even have unrealistic skills.
He was good at one frickin thing, being a pilot.
He wasn't even a particularly powerful Jedi.
>Anakin didn't even have unrealistic skills.
Come the frick on, anon.
He was a turbo good pilot and half of that was because he was force sensitive.
Black folk in Africa can successfully put a PC together, why wouldn't he be able to cobble together a protocol droid when he's enslaved by a fricking junker??