What makes something like Hazbin/Helluva or The amazing digital circus popular and successful?
How do you capture their success? Is it the stories? World building, characters? etc.
Also what makes a series unsuccessful (monkey wrench, etc.)?
What makes an indie cartoon successful/unsuccessful?
i dunno lol
>Pibbi makes millions of kids ejaculate to the idea of cartoon characters being corrupted into spooky monsters
>Amazing Digital Circus capitalizes on it and makes a show about it
I mean shit like FNAF and creepypastas already hit that spot
VivziePop benefits from my artistic inspiration big time for her projects. Kesha is #3 on my Spotify. I also directly defended her when the animation industry was attacking her project. In return I was sexually harassed by her gay furries!
Pedo don't participate
you have autism
it has to be fun to watch
Fanfic bait basically. Closely tied to world building but not quite.
1. Make the premise such that people can go into autistic fugues of world building for months and years unaided. Hazbin did this very well by using biblical hell, so there's an entire cast of characters yet to appear that they'll go batshit trying to characterize and make fanart and fics for.
rampant theorygayging is a subset of point 1, and works well for things like MUrder Drones or TADC
2. Exactly the same as point 1 but with shipping instead of direct world building, this is also a hundred times more potent than point one.
The key is to make it so even if you can only release content once every few months, your IP will constantly be on everyone's mind as the fanbase constantly creates content to entertain themselves with for free.
Building a bit off this anon's post because it fits an idea I (and probably a massive number of other have come to) in regards to this subject.
1. Templatable character designs: Somewhat like SU, AT and MLP the designs of the main cast are easily replicated and easy to customize on top of being members of a widespread race so OC/sonas can fit easily in the world.
2. Thought out but still very vague world lore: The worlds are thought out enough to tell the necessary stories within them but left vague enough that other people can come up with their own stories without "damaging" the world. (Essentially the 1. Point the anon I'm quoting said)
Obviously following these ideas doesn't automatically lead to success but they seem common enough to acknowledge.
Isn't this just the appeal of 2hu but more cynically deliberate?
>Fanfic bait
Most viewers aren't fanfic writers
They don't necessarily have to be, so long as it gets scenarios churning.
Clown girls need to be in everything
Gimme more
>What keeps an indie unsuccessfel
Lack of funding and motivation to continue. Leadership and vision as well.
Here is the eternal question you guys need to get through your heads. Do wyou wanna tell a story or do you wanna make money? If you wanna tell a story, improve visual media that is rad! I'm glad you wanna do that but it's time someone told you something.
It is hard. It is extremely hard and you are gonna be tired. Not 'worth it tired'. You are going to be emotionally, spiritually, and creatively fricking exhausted by the end of it all and the reality is some people may not like what you did and won't kiss your ass for your hard work. Do you personally go to find every construction worker or architect who made your house or apartment to thank them? No one does and that is the reality of all creators. The creation is what takes center stage. Not you. If you go in for ego you are going to be hurt.
This is reality. Anything else is making money and making a product for a company. Get over it. There is no 'in between'. You try to make 'creative' decisions with a company they won't like it because it's a risk. Sell out and it becomes the typical tripe you probably hated. Whether it is bearable trite to watch is up to how much effort you put in.
Shortest of shorts: If you wanna create, be ready for everyone to call you a gayoot, but who cares. Just create! If you wanna make money expect it to not be easy and screwed at every turn
Gayest post in this thread thus far.
You are the biggest whiniest homosexual on the entire board
Your post radiates failure and butthurt
noted and disregarded 13 year olds
sneed
hi zeurel
what
Never tell your story in full. Always keep room for theorizing and headcanons. That will keep people's interest for potentially years. Also it's less effort because you can just leave out parts of the story and have the fans fill the gap for you. This is the same reason Five nights at Freddy's become huge.
Make character designs people like
Literally nothing else matters
>Implying people like this lesbian couple.
And I mean "normal" people.
appeal to terminally online trannies
this
just don’t be boring to whatever crowd you’re pandering
Well, if only it were so cut and dry; I believe another factor is how Internet Viral it’s elements can be. It can have appeal to the no-lifer audience, but, it is marketing and word-of-mouth that gives it the edge over its competition.
For every one that succeeded over competition, at least ten failed that went almost entirely unnoticed, despite their being nearly the same quality.
Anyone expecting their first project to be sucessful and then giving up after failure is just being stupid.
It took Glitch 6 fricking years to make Digital Circus, ENA was Joel third web series, Vanripper previous projects before Helltaker failed
Zeurel wanted to strike gold in his very first try and got pwned when it didn't work out.
>Zeurel wanted to strike gold in his very first try and got pwned when it didn't work out.
Dude legit thought he had a hit.
You can't hate the guy for trying. He was passionate and still trying to get the story told despite things not working out the way he'd want.
Zeurel mistake is giving too much of a frick about his failure rather than moving on to the next project. The guy is like 40 years old he should know at this point that the odds of sucess per project are always tiny.
It's harder to distance yourself from your own fictional work than you might think. It's probably helped him through some tough times and he doesn't want to "abandon his friends" after all they've done for them, as psychotic as that may sound.
Yeah I can understand that but it's simply not healthy nor is professional.
Nobody is hating on Zeurel. It's just that nobody cares about his work.
The guy just wasn’t made for doing his own shit. He works best working on other people’s projects. He’s skilled, but not particularly creative enough to make his own story.
Dude thought that since he was a better animator than Vivzie, Pelo and Joel he was absolutely going to be as sucessful as they are. He forgot that as a writer and idea guy he's a newdie without any experience other than those deviantart tournament OCs.
As strange as this sounds, a big problem was how well animated it was. It felt unnecessary most of the time and could've been produced with a much lower risk if they had far less inbetweens.
>Zeurel wanted to strike gold in his very first try and got pwned when it didn't work out.
I chalk MW's failure up to the fact that one half of the pilot was about Shrike b***hing about his daily chores and the other half was about an ugly annoying side character being ugly and annoying. Nobody wants to see that shit no matter how well animated it is.
Coomers
>What makes something like Hazbin/Helluva or The amazing digital circus popular and successful?
Dream on! You can buy views online.
I wonder if you can manufacture something like it by calculating trends. It needs to have:
>colorful artstyle
>creepypasta/horror inspired undertones
>cute female mc
>sexy female supporting character
>sharp toothed sexy tumblr man who is an butthole
>shipping baiting
>metaphores for depression or other mental illness
What else?
Central mystery that people can make hundreds of hours of speculation videos about.
My show has no female main characters. Am I fricked?
>not making a character that females can self insert and relate
>when every single sucessful indie cartoon fandom so far had a female majority
probably yeah, but who knows, maybe you will be the exception
The women I showed my show bible to seemed really excited about it and had a more positive reception than the men did, so who knows?
If the show that shall not be named can be a hit with adult men, then the opposite may be possible. I may be the one to break the mold.
Sex sells, so yeah.
Unless you're making a fujo pandering show with lots of pretty boys doing cute things and having gay tension with each other while they play touch butt in the park. If you're not making that you're fricked
What's the demographic you're going for?
All ages.
Was going to be adults only, but the only thing that was offensive were the "frick"s and the blatant sex jokes, both which were easily removable. And I think the show will be better off for that.
Add a female character and make her hot.
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Theres a female character outside the main group but people make anything their waifu or even husbando so does it really even matter if they're "hot" or not?
Just existing is enough for people to go nuts. Just look at ADC.
>Yeah but they're hot.
No, they're really just generic cartoon designs.
No pandering, but I already know the main group will make some people feel "funny". I realized that later on.
As long as she's not ugly.
She's not. She only appears in a few scenes but will become some people's favorite for simply being female. As an added bonus, shes single. Before I even get the chance to elaborate on what's exactly going on with her.
Then you need to add a token girl for the sisters that will be watching your boy-centric show with their brothers. And make her hot.
My show has a cute boi mc instead of a cute grrl mc:
Can it still get popular?
Absolutely, just add cute background girls and Cinemaphileanons will make endless fan content and write seethe posts because she is background only
If they did that I would just kill her off in the next episode.
"lore" and foreshadowing shit in the background (material for youtubers)
I will expand on what you wrote anon
I wonder if you can manufacture something like it by calculating trends. It needs to have:
>colorful artstyle that hints at being a kiddy show
This will attract children viewers who spend way too much time in their iPads. Just make sure the artstyle is not cringy shit like G3 MLP
>creepypasta/horror inspired undertones that contrast with the above point
FNAF was the grandfather of the "secret dark story/worldbuilding", but if you can put it in a show with an apparently innocent cover, this is magnified 10x
>cute female mc
>sexy female supporting character
Not having a girlboss character is frankly a requirement nowadays - that has become a cliche in 2023
>sharp toothed sexy tumblr man who is an butthole
agree. also add the "crazy old character who is secretly wise". character design in general is very important due to merch and meme potential
>shipping baiting
>metaphores for depression or other mental illness
additions:
>"lore" that gets the theorists rambling for hours, that also isn't TOO hard to wrap up when the time comes
TADC's lore is there but it's not FNAF-tier nonsense
>dubbing to other languages
YouTube's algorithm seems to promote videos with multi-language to their respective demographics
>marketing campaing that accentuates the funny/disturbing parts of the show
>fan interaction on socials
I'll add that the main characters should be opposites. Personality and design
Don't forget the straight man. People always forget that.
You think if Cinemaphile came together and made a 2 minute pilot with popular trends like that we could make something that people are actually interested in/want more of?
>What else?
LGBTQ+ and POC.
bright colors, that's literally it
Passion, plain and simple. If you live it, pondering hours every single day about how your characters and world works, writing it all out, sacrificing time and money to put it all together, despite you just being another person in this world with an idea it'll show.
Love your characters, do what you can to bring them to life. Wouldn't hurt to build up some connections too.
That's a bit naive, passion alone will not make your story magically sucessful, you actually need to research on what sells, what most people like, what is the most marketable.
Whats trendy today is not what's trendy tomorrow. You spend 2 years making a pilot that's "hip" and now it's incredibly dated and obvious you were just trying desperately to be trendy, lost in the ocean of a bunch of other people trying to do the same thing.
It's best to swing for the fences and by the time you're done doing the kind of pilot you want, maybe it'll ease right into what is trendy at the moment.
>Whats trendy today is not what's trendy tomorrow.
People are obsessing over sword and sorcery stories over the last...10 thousand years, in a row
>Whats trendy today is not what's trendy tomorrow.
Funny stories with silly talking animals, isekai, adventurers fighting villains, non human creatures waging war against mankind, princess going on an adventure, depressed guy doing whelchair philosophy, some stupid kid doing stupid shit
Nothing changed, nothing ever changed, nothing will ever change.
So if I make a show designed with 80's kids in mind it'll surely be a hit with 2020's kids, right?
Sure, it worked for Jojo Bizarre Adventure.
Thats 80s... how?
If that's the case, then why make anything new for kids ever? Just rerun a century's worth of content forever because it'll always gain new audiences.
>Thats 80s... how?
It's from the 80's?
I like how you just choose a time when animation was ridiculously cheap and the industry nearly going bankrupt.
Rather than...you know Looney Tunes, Mickey Mouse and Tom and Jerry that still got great ratings after 70 years now and have franchises such as Cuphead making a lot of money simply by copying them.
So why make anything new then?
>you just choose a time when animation was ridiculously cheap and the industry nearly going bankrupt.
You mean right now?
>So why make anything new
Huh...Because people want new stories? Because you want to write stories? Because you like money?
If that makes you feel any better whatever you wanted to create was totally going to be copying someone else anyway.
You would fail because you would miss what actually made the franchise that "inspired" you popular.
>You would fail because you would miss what actually made the franchise that "inspired" you popular.
If I were to do something inspired I wouldn't directly repeat what's already been done and try something new with the concept. Maybe the new angle would attract people's attention? You won't know unless you try instead of being afraid of following things to the letter in hopes for relevance.
As you said nothing is original, but at least I have the freedom to do what the frick I want and quite possibly stand out among everything else.
99% of the projects based on a "Trendy formula" are going to fail anyway, so you might as well step outside of that.
Sure, just make sure it's way over the top rather than accurate to how the eighties actually was like.
Anon that's a disingenous take. It's true that the general story archetypes (Journey of the Hero, Adventure Island, etc.) never really change, but there are trends that do change with the times.
My main example of this is Bojack Horseman. Around 2014 when it was released, the whole "depressed dude that keeps fricking up his life" was trendy. But after Covid, depressing stories like that kinda became too much for people, and now audiences want something colorful that isn't sad and grey and existential 50% of the time.
The point is that there are things that sell and things that don't. You must study on what people like.
If you do that study you're not being an honest artist and so you won't make good things. Maybe you'll make some money, like a prostitute
Anon, do you know that many of the world's most famous pieces of art were commisioned, right? The Mona Lisa and the Sistine Chapel weren't done "for the art"
Not every idea that comes out of your head is going to be good. You need somebody to watch over you and tell you if you’re making crap or not. Humble yourself.
>Bojack Horseman
depressed guy doing whelchair philosophy, Bojack is in fact one of the most generic shows ever and all of it's content is based on things that are known to sell
>Around 2014 when it was released, the whole "depressed dude that keeps fricking up his life" was trendy.
Only Murders in the Building is pretty much Bojack all over again and is making a lot of money right now.
I love their opening
Funny thing is if you actually do a good versus evil adventure tale like in Lord of the Rings you'll get in trouble because it implies Christian views of morality.
The trend is to have moral views so confused nobody even knows how the characters are supposed to be good or bad like in Helluva Boss
Was Popeye or Ren and Stimpy "most marketable" when they were released mr. Executive? Real accomplished art creators can change people's tastes.
That's because art Community longhouses sabotage artists that are too masculine for them by doing things like whining about them not being nice.
>Popeye
was a comic strip before it became animated shorts
>Ren and Stimpy
the attractive thing about R&S at the time was that back in the 80s, animation was a) toy commercials, b) Disney, or c) educational stuff. Ren and Stimpy was more or less the first "wacky for the sake of being wacky" cartoon. To this day, NIckelodeon's brand is centered around being the cool boys' channel compared to Disney's girly princesses channel
You didn't address my actual question.
>Ren and Stimpy was more or less the first "wacky for the sake of being wacky" cartoon.
You're not describing the show, you're describing the dozens of clones of the show and SpongeBob, like Shmookums and Meat. They all failed because they weren't accomplished and honest artistic expression like John's, just imitation.
You're trying to taint Ren and Stimpy with the reputation of its imitations because you simply don't want the legacy of the show, mr. executive
ENTER
SAMSON
Dubbing it in other languages allowed it to reach international markets. More creators/studios should look into that.
good character design
and a lot of cursing
>team
>Viz's reaction proving it was all her "vision" to have the cast talk like kids on VC.
If you're talking about sheer numbers and popularity, you either have to perfectly craft your work to match what people want to see right now (like figuring out what's popular or can be popular at the moment) or you build an audience over time to the point people show up for your stuff regardless because they like you, then drop your pet project and hope the fans will like it enough to carry you to the top of YouTube/Twitter/Tumblr/TikTok/etc.
>Sexy Character Design
That's it, you don't need a good story, nor good animation, all you need is a screwable character.
>Hasbin Hotel
>Helluva Boss
>Murder Drones
>The Amazing Digital Circus
>Lackadaisy
>Undertale (indie game)
>FNAF (indie game)
All of those have plenty of appealing character designs.
>monkey wrench
I can't see a single character there with visual appeal, I dunno about the plot, or its animation quality, they could be top tier but it doesn't matter, at least not to Zoomers.
>Art > Story
It's the same for webtoons, all that matters is how hot the characters are and their relantionships.
wrench
>I can't see a single character there with visual appeal, I dunno about the plot, or its animation quality, they could be top tier but it doesn't matter, at least not to Zoomers.
Sadly they are all background characters or secondary characters.
i think Monkey Wrench's biggest problem was the anti-climactic ending of the pilot and that the second episode pretty much existed in a vacuum. i haven't seen the third episode if that's even out yet
Appeal to popular, yet underutilized fetishes:
>Clowns
>Robots
>Crippling Emotional Trauma
Alternatively, just tiddies.
Legacy can help. AvA as a series is super successful
Yeah, murder drones definitely played a part in the success of digital circus. A lot of drone fans watched it, which gave it a boost and got it on trending, other people saw that and watched as well, which boosted it's rating even more and it entered a self sustaining loop for a while.
Lol asked ChatGPT but came out very bland, of course it suggest a clown. Maybe it needs more details
The Adventures of Bobo: A cheerful and clueless clown who travels across the land of Funtopia, a seemingly perfect place where everyone is happy and friendly. But behind the bright colors and smiles, there is a dark and sinister secret that threatens to destroy everything. Along the way, Bobo meets various quirky and mysterious characters, such as:
- Lila, a cute and bubbly fairy who loves to play pranks and cause mischief. She is always cheerful and optimistic, but she also has a hidden agenda that involves Bobo.
- Rex, a handsome and charismatic pirate who sails the seas of Funtopia in search of treasure and adventure. He is popular among the ladies, but he also has a soft spot for Bobo, who he sees as a potential ally and friend.
- Zara, a smart and sarcastic witch who lives in a haunted mansion in the woods. She is an expert in magic and potions, but she also has a dark past that haunts her. She is wary of Bobo, who she thinks is too naive and trusting.
- Dr. Fizz, a mad scientist who invents all kinds of gadgets and machines in his underground lab. He is obsessed with finding out the truth behind Funtopia, and he often experiments on Bobo, who he considers a valuable specimen.
Together, they embark on a series of hilarious and thrilling adventures, while also uncovering the hidden lore and secrets of Funtopia. Will they be able to save the world from the evil forces that lurk behind the scenes? Or will they fall victim to the dangers and traps that await them? Find out in The Adventures of Bobo, a comedy cartoon series that will make you laugh, cry, and scream!
>tl dr just copy Digital Circus
what a lazy ai
Is its knowledge even up to date? Isn't it several months behind still?
Media rips off each other all the time. In pretty much all mediums. Especially when the original work gets super popular and profitable. You’d get people who want to get a piece of that pie and then some.
Bright flashing colors with little actual substance, but makes brainlets and midwits think there's substance.
Everything popular ever has been that.
- grit
- gumption
- an adorable speech impediment
Before trying to make your own series, always remember:
Grab a deck of Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies and see what happens
>Verification not required.
> all that matters is how hot the characters are
Damn. My story about a fat (not to say obese) bug exterminator lady would never stand a chance online then. At best, it would get a small fatgay following and, at worst, it would draw every body positivity gay out of the fiery depths of Tumblr. In either case, though, zoomies, alphas and normies in general are out of the equation.
Forgot to tag
>My story about a fat (not to say obese) bug exterminator lady
tell me more
> Mix of action, sci-fi and comedy in a cartoon style
> Alien bugs appear in a city
> The government manages to quarantine the area, but the inhabitants are trapped with the bugs
> Local inventor with a lovely hourglass figure locks herself up in her basement apartment working on weapons and gadgets to thwart the bug invasion for God knows how long
> She finally comes out, ready to face the bugs, but isolation, lack of exercise and an unhealthy diet on an extended period has ruined her physique
> Since the bugs will have eaten everyone by the time she burns all those calories, she creates gadgets to accommodate her new weight, such as (extremely powerful) rocket boots
> Still plenty of slapstick and awkward situations like trying to squeeze in and out of her van or sending someone to the hospital by landing on top of them
That's probably the project with the least general appeal and most clear fetish vibe I got, so I doubt I'd go around showing it online as anything serious. It'd take some Pizza Tower lighting in a bottle for non-pervs to actually enjoy a messy obese chick saving the day.
Unless this fat woman is drawn in a very simple, cute and cartoonish style like Mario, I'm sure everybody will assume it's a fetish anon.
I lean toward simple, cartoony art styles due to skills and preferences, but I'm afraid there's only so much an art style can do to hide one's depraved side. Pray for me, anon.
Or like Muriel from courage the cowardly dog.
The Pizza Tower MC can look the way he does because he’s a dude and a cartoon. People expect female characters to look attractive in some way. Even the Waifu mods made both the toppings AND Peppino into cute girls. Know your audience.
You are going to end like poor fool who thought it was a good idea to post the show that had a few fat girls that were clearly his fetish on Cinemaphile
It was literally just that one character and the guy could have either remove her or significantly tone her down. But he chose to instead throw a b***h fit and quit the whole thing.
>At best, it would get a small fatgay following
Yeah... That's why most cartoon chicks aren't fat.
How hot they are doesn't matter, fans will sexualize it enough no matter your design.
All that stuff about fnaf? The actual characters have anatomy like the Michelin Man.
luck
not being entirely and completely incompetent
Not really luck when I actively defended VivziePop from being canceled for her work conditions, etc. That's just calling the unpaid assistance of anonymous people on the internet "luck".
are you drinking? youre an actual schizo if you post like this sober.
I'm a Christian and I make content about the Paranormal being real, give up on having a such a lame response to me exposing how industry professionals take advantage of the contributions of people they interact with online
Lmao you just don't like good animators
I am also making content about Revelations.
Good animation doesn't make up for a shit story and boring characters. Believe it or not but people are actually less shallow than you believe.
Animation is the medium. If you think enjoying animation is shallow you just confirmed you don't actually like animation. Obvious unless your brain doesn't work right
Congratulations, you're now exclusively pandering to the animation elitists and alienating the normies with your flashy meaningless animation. Enjoy making a living off of your 200 views a day series on YT, Zeurel.
I'm not him, I inspired his work though. Exactly how does a silly sci-fi story not have appeal - oh wait, you're not trying to describe Zeurel, you're trying to describe me, since I never wanted to fricking work in cartoons in the first place, and so "animation elitism" is the only thing I wanted to participate in.
You've learned how to psychologically abuse Zeurel and his fans for being inspired by me from people who attracted with me directly in the past and have been seething about my inspirational efforts ever since, like Amber on Steven Universe. Real mind trip huh? Screenshotted for sending out in emails
Getting bullying and abused usually draws more attention to you. People love drama. Zeurel's problem is simply that nobody fricking cares because his work simply isn't worth watching.
>I inspired his work though
And what a shit job you did.
I think it's important to define what successful is: Is it tweets on X? Views on YouTube? Amount of Fanart? A TV deal? Actual money in the creator's pocket? Posts on Cinemaphile? (lol)
Realistically, every creator wants their ideas to come to life and creation to be made and seen. That's why some work for peanuts and dips like Dana T will loudly protest the company they work for, even calling it evil, but still continue to take their money (and make them money.)
One problem a lot of them don't seem to realize these days is that it has to be likeable, enjoyable, and pleasant to a degree. Another is that there has to be a wide appeal. You can't just make a world based on your childhood bedroom fantasy games that you were the star of (and continue to be through self-inserts) and expect it to relate to everybody. Some people like you, sure, but it could mean the difference between one pilot/season niche, and a big time property.
That's where playing off others comes in handy. Alex Hirsch had a really unique, charming idea in Gravity Falls, but was perplexed when it came to things like people wanting the rich girl to have redemption (and romance,) or the teens to be more than one-off characters. He was putting in 20 hour days and totally burned himself out.
Consider Rick & Morty, wildly successful by any metric. A great balance of anything goes goofiness and brain poking ideas. Personal issues aside, they had a great team behind the initial conception and then they went their separate ways. Personally, I blame that dickhead Lazzo for stroking Harmon's ego and pushing for the serious respected mainstream program he's always wanted, existing success be damned.
Ultimately, you need an interesting concept, unique characters yet with familiar traits, and a diverse wealth of ideas and contributors. And it has to be non-abrasive. And you need luck. It's a lot easier said than done, which is why most just sort of come and go, despite having dedicated fans.
And when you say diversity, another big mistake being made is it can't just be diversity of people, like women and race and LGTBQ+, but diversity of ideas. Hazbin/Helluva is popular with a certain crowd for a reason, but the characters all look the same and the idea of people running Hell has been done to DEATH.
Compared to Digital Circus, which actually does have a diverse cast, despite being against a somewhat common idea of a weird world (digital even,) you're trying to escape.
/thread
Just memorize that comment and train and study till u git good, and don't expect to win the mainstream popularity lottery on your very first project, if you fail try a new indie series and if you fail again try again and again and again till you win, good luck.
You create deep lore/mysteries for your fans to follow. Every chapter/episode needs to end on a big twist or a cliffhanger that changes EVERYTHING. However, you insist these mysteries are matters for a later date. Do this for 10 years. When you have enough cash and tire of this project create an ending that glosses over your big mysteries. Really tie everything together in a sloppy loose half hearted bow. Hope this helps.
Characters and the audience being able to relate to their core.
>hot designs
>ship bait
>coomer bait
>gaybait
It's that easy
you slowly build up an audience that likes your work
the teams behind hazbin/helluva and digital circus already had fanbases
in that regard a larger production team than just yourself can be an asset if you can get voice actors/animators/etc. who have established fanbases to work on your project
Implying the show is much "deeper" than it actually is, then taking a fan theory and making it seem like it was the plan all along.
I think I read somewhere once that there were like, what, only five different stories that exist? Each creation is just following some formula or something.
Alot of enjoyment for a story is in the escapism, but teens worry over entirely different problems than adults worry over.
Also, the youth today have youtube poops, youtube videos, and pre-social-media internet, as their “old classics” which they fawn over and are inspired by.
>pre-social-media internet
late 90s? That's millennials you're talking about
im glad somethingawful got pushed to the side these day for the poopchads
Interesting and unique concept. Unique and interesting characters that are either likable or relatable or both. Creative character design with a beautiful and unique world.
Monkey Wrench is kind of boring. It takes place in space which is cool but there are only 2 characters. One crazy Mexican and one painfully boring straight man. ensemble casts are also key to a successful show.
>Monkey Wrench is kind of boring. It takes place in space which is cool but there are only 2 characters. One crazy Mexican and one painfully boring straight man. ensemble casts are also key to a successful show.
As much as the creator probably wants it to be a buddy cop (merc?) series, it would take a third female member to garner actual attention.
do you all actually confuse meme popularity with real popularity. it's like saying MFC and Selena Gomez are the same thing
>amazing digital circus
>successful indie cartoon
It’s only had 1 ((ONE)) episode
1 (ONE) episode with over 176 million views in less than two months.
>successful cartoon
>1 heavily shilled episode
kek
I think it's several aspects for TADC:
>seemingly normal at first glance with creepy twist stories have been popular for a while now
>story lorebaits and leaves enough questions for people to craft theories with
>character designs are cutesy, relatively simple and appealing to masses
>TADC having a high budget from the amount of dubs and merch it got also helps
Stuff that's made by terminally online people who grew up with fandom shit is going to likely appeal to the next generation of terminally online people who will grow up with fandom shit. Especially when TADC has characters that blatantly bait into certain archetypes, i.e. Jax being the wienery tumblr sexyman.
Monkey Wrench looks like it has a lot of passion but the art style will turn off most fandom kiddies from even giving it a try because it's not as easy to mash two characters who look like its characters into a ship. Basically fanart and fanfic rule the internet sphere.
Monkey Wrench starts off with the MC complaining how the main plot is a tedious chore. So even if I'm invested in what's going on the main feelings I'm left with are apathy and annoyance. It also doesn't help it ends with a "lol nothing mattered" gag. Who's going to come back after such an ending? Nobody apparently because that's what the view count is of ep. 2.
>Monkey Wrench starts off with the MC complaining how the main plot is a tedious chore
You're right about the character being bored making the audience bored but why did it worked so well for Squidward and Garfield but not for this show?
Because Spongebob and Garfield are a lot funnier than MW. Also Garfield asks 10 seconds of your time, not 20 minutes. Squidward's attitude is always juxtaposed against Sponebob optimism and he always suffers for it in some kind of hilarious manner.
Shrike b***hing in MW serves what punch line? He sad cuz he no have pizza. Awful.
>Monkey Wrench
ugly as shite and unbearable to watch
same for hazbin shit
the clownshow goes down easy, tho not necessary a better product
Your perceptions are not meaningful contributions by themselves
You've had decades to build experiences with SpongeBob and Garfield. The humor you experience can come from memes, friends who enjoyed the show when you were a kid, etc. artistic analysis involves actually analyzing, not saying what you enjoy
>Squidward's attitude is always juxtaposed against Sponebob optimism and he always suffers for it in some kind of hilarious manner.
People b***h a lot about him being tortured so obviously it's not as easy as that
It's not presentation of production quality, that's for sure. That hulubaloo cartoon already had an episode out and you trogs didn't even mention it!
I think cynically these people are hiring marketing teams to shill these videos on social media. I know TDC and all other glitch shows have the most inorganic threads I've seen.
Hullabaloo is okay is very nicely animated but just by looking at that poster the designs are the same Glen Keane style of characters that even pixar and disney are already tired of
The creator was a Disney animator. He is the Disney artsytle we've all grown tired of! This is spring water straight from the horses mouth!
There's a stinger at the end about how steam punk girl will use her gadgets to chase down a girl with voodoo hypnotism powers. How did you assume the entire series would be about drag racing in chitichiti bang bangs?
So episode 1 is just pointless filler? Off to a good start.
It established she's whimsically eccentric, has a V-8, and an Asian girl friend who also likes to race cars on the flats of an unknown region of the western United States.
Otherwise yeah it was pointless.
>brapgay bait
I like the style and I like the 2D animation but the meat and bones of the show seems to be the race and all of that is just ugly weightless tentionless 3D animation. Real shame.
Cute thing but scary. Kids are inexplicably obsessed with this.
Appeal to the lowest common denominator niche market of people mindkilled by SSRIs and internet usage. Really easy to do if youre already in that demographic.
>SSRIs
... Is that when you put pixie sticks in mountain dew or something?
Kids like to watch things they think they shouldn't watch but in reality is made for them.
The most outstanding features are
1) The 3D/2D art is high quality. Helluva a boss Has more elaborate things than any 'mainstream' animation. As an easy to illustrate point the fight scene againt the FBI like people. It's better than dedicated action shows. I am talking about the technical aspect. Any jack ass can respond to this and say they don't like the style or subject to get easy contrarian points.
2) The character design is more appealing than other indie shows. Angeldust is the most visually offensive offensive character but he still is far more interesting than any of the other crap in your image that isn't Vivzi, Digital CIrcus, or the cat show. Those other characters are boring or ugly and people will not become attached to them.
Both of these matter way more than the plot or dialogue. Most people will instantly disregard something if it doesn't look good or have compelling characters. With animation it's even more important because visuals are the entire strength of the medium.
I hope you lose your limbs in a car accident soon for shilling the Circus everywhere.
>What makes an indie cartoon successful/unsuccessful?
Frick if I know.
Probably not darkies or ugly lesbians.
How would Knives react to Roxy's proposition?
I don't know__________
I dunno
Good designs. Like the ones I made
Want to show us your designs?
No
writing/animation quality/skill
some luck
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its pure meme energy, you really cant distill to a bunch of details the way youre trying to
>Hazbin, Helluva, Digital Circuit
waifus to spam fanart of on every platform,
>Monkey Wrench
no waifus