Ok, Hollywood hates beauty, creativity and innovation, but outside of it, things aren't better and I don't know why.
What stop non-Hollywood directors to do sci-fantasy films again?
Ok, Hollywood hates beauty, creativity and innovation, but outside of it, things aren't better and I don't know why.
if by sci-fantasy you mean Black folk in space. no thanks
>OP pic, sexy mediterranean woman
>somehow anon thinks in Black folk
Wtf dude?
Hollywood will insert as many Black folk as they can.
>OP talks about NON-Hollywood studios
>anon talks about Hollywood
Again, wtf dude?
/pol/tards like him are actually incel doomers who dont realize it yet
>4chud is low IQ and must inject his stupidity into everything he interacts with
who could've seen this coming
>leftypol gets triggered by random person.
>immediately starts violently projectile shitting political insults everywhere because autism causes him to lump everything he doesn't like into one category.
>anyone who isn't a far right extremist is automatically leftypol
This is the funniest part of posting here
Only lefties use right-wing as an insult. Only a commie homosexual would assert the completely apolitical statements in this thread were "far right extremism". You have brain problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics
Protip: they're talking about (You)
>Links to a site openly run and operated by leftists.
Next you'll be telling me the SPLCA is a credible source, frickwit? You just made it more obvious who and what you are.
Non-HW filmmakers have to navigate thru funding bodies, who are wall-to-wall commies.
"The Long March Through The Institutions"
Go look it up. Learn something or you'll always be their useful idiot/disposable weapon.
you know they'd have to insert Black folk into anything they make now
just look at the recent dungeons and dragons movie.
>chris pine - white with partial israeli ancestry
>black british man - black AND british
>angry latinx woman - she's a woman, and angry and brown
>redhead girl - plays a shapeshifter
>bad guy - hugh grant
What's the difference again? They both claim they were historically important and now live in crime and poverty. They stink. They're not white. No difference to me. Don't @ me if you're some stinky Greek or Italian. You ain't shit.
>What stop non-Hollywood directors to do sci-fantasy films again?
$$$$
Ok I get the budget part, many non-Hollywood studios have cash, plus according to devs, AI will make cinema more cheaper in terms of budget but with more quality (at least if you compare it with modern writing) and for everyone. So I thought we will see new projects of this kind.
I like John Carter, but really surprise me how a nice (not perfect) film can paralised an underrated genre (scifan) but 20 moronic shows (Doctor Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, etc) can't stop 2 oversaturated genres (scifi and fantasy).
no one has said this yet, but Banks and payment processors might be one of the big culprits why any outside Hollywood, mainstream media isn't being made
You need a lot of money and funding to do a sci-fi.
And you know who owns the money lending and funding institutions. So no, no good sci-fi fantasy ever again.
Until good open-source AI movie models become available to us, then we will make our own kinos and the cream will rise to the top.
Because you can't make a movie in those genres without spending lots of money on props, costumes and CGI and shit.
Because it requires a lot of money for something which often fails. Valerian flopped for example.
valarian flopped because the two mains are unlikable and look so similar many audience members thought they were siblings. Also the rhianna scenes were lame.
They weren't siblings?
Also it really didn't help the moronic customs (I swear french fashion is a crime against beauty) neither the "non-binary non-cat" blue-grey aliens.
After John Carter flopped they won't touch scifi fantasy again for at least twenty years
Why did it flop?
Disney marketing fricked it very hard. Consoomers thought it was a Earth's Star Wars and in reality was better, consoomers couldn't handle it and review bombed it.
Marketing was bad.
One of the marketeers came out and said the director prevented them from using the approach that Carter was the inspiration for SW and Superman etc as a way to bring new audiences into the fold.
But aside from that the movie itself is a bunch of nested flashbacks and diary entries - some of which may be purposefully misleading.
Absolutely moronic approach to the material. Nothing you're watching is happening in real time except the bit at the front and right at the end with the inheritance + tomb trap Carter springs on the bald guys.
It uses the same trick the entire midsection of The Prestige uses so nobody knows if the Tesla scenes are real or not. It's one thing to do that in a movie about magic tricks and misdirection. Monstrously stupid to do it in a classic adventure story you've otherwise poured your heart and soul into realizing on screen.
SW gets away with it using ONE FAMOUS LINE:
"A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..."
That is the only point of framiong that clues you in that you're not "there" with the characters as they experience everything. Time jumps and diaries and flashbacks is NOT what you use in pulp adventure serials.
On every other level it was clear the filmmaker loved the material. He just cursed it from the first moment it starts because he needed John to return to earth then find a way to come back within the 2hr run-time. When he should have just dumped that plotline for a later time. If there was a sequel, they could have had John and Deja separated as part of the second act. They could have introduced the nephew etc then also, and started to develop the open link between Mars and Earth.
>Time jumps and diaries and flashbacks is NOT what you use in pulp adventure serials.
That's quite literally what A Princess of Mars is, at least in the collected novel that I read as a kid.
>It uses the same trick the entire midsection of The Prestige uses so nobody knows if the Tesla scenes are real or not. It's one thing to do that in a movie about magic tricks and misdirection. Monstrously stupid to do it in a classic adventure story you've otherwise poured your heart and soul into realizing on screen.
I unironically love that about the movie. The fact that the whole thing is a diary left for his nephew, that is based on the real author of the books. The ending left me emotional as frick when the protagonist - supposedly the author's uncle - left everything for his nephew to go live in the Martian paradise with his waifu, and then the movie ends with Deja Thoris saying Basoon or some shit. I almost cried.
shitty title and shitty marketing
I think it was 90% the title. Literally they could have just called it "John Carter of Mars," and it probably would have done okay.
The movie was garbage. Dejah Thoris was a post-wall tattooed 5/10 dressed like a nun. The plot made no sense and repeatedly using the stupid-ass term "Barsoom" irritated the hell out of the audience.
Dejah Thoris is a hot necked Frank Frazetta space chick and that's non negotiable.
Apparently red bodypaint is hard to make look right on film, so the tattoos were the compromise.
>irritated the hell out of the audience
There was no audience. The problem wasn't the movie, it was the marketing.
>the title
I thought it was supposed to be related to Terminator so when I saw that it wasn't I wrote it off and didn't bother to watch it.
because all movies are just israeli money laundering, and they realized too late in production to stop it that john carter is basically a giant allegory for the israelites being evil planet destroyers, so they flopped it on release by simply not laundering money through it.
It was 100% the title. I didn’t see it because it sounded relentlessly boring. If they had just called it “The Princess of Mars” it would probably be an entire film series
It wasn't John Carter.
It was a very expensive but mediocre film with poor marketing
homosexuals hate kino
I personally skipped it because Dejah Thoris is supposed to be extremely busty and basically naked with a top consisting of little more than nipple tassles.
The actress they chose (simpcucks argue "hey, she was hot!" if your mistress has your pathetic, shriveled balls in a cage right now) was flat and wore a top which covered her entire chest and looked like the protective armor a baseball catcher wears.
Not basically naked, literally naked. Everybody was completely buck ass naked in those books.
Seems like it would be unpleasant with all that sand
Probably, but who cares? It's hot.
>who cares?
It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
Holy kino.
Anon you forget that we will have AI in our side, we will win.
>Holy kino.
https://archive.4plebs.org/hr/thread/4279612/#4279612
I wish I could post more of my book accurate Barsoom stuff but, blue board.
Honesty I feel like the Barsoom series is more obscure then Dune for the modern audience.
they didn't make it 2 hours of woola running around. in all honesty disney thought boys would be turned off adding princess anywhere in the title (as if stuff like the powerpuff girls didn't once exist)
And they couldn't add "of Mars" because Hollywood considers having Mars in the title to be box office poison.
Saw it in theaters, loved it. But then, I was already a Princess of Mars fan.
>adapt a story thats crazy sword and sorcery in space about decapitating crazy aliens and saving butt naked space babes
>include none of those elements and make it fricking pg13
Damn thats crazy, can't believe it didn't do well. I can't wait for a Conan series where he commits no crimes and just wanders around having friendly conversations with people
That's Disney for ya. Then again, even Canon fricked it up back in the 80s.
What happened with Canon and Gor?
Oliver Reed was such a pimp
He was the best part of that movie.
Fair enough anon and I agree, but thanks to that film many young people knew about John Carter, yes it sacrificed based human supremacism and humn body beauty, but at least it inspired young people to get into sci-fantasy (maybe I'm just coping).
>"My Dinner with Subotai"
Everything these anons said about money.
Plus there is a fine line between being cheesy and engaging. Between being nerdy and world building realistic.
Thats why companies tend to do drama and shit. Cheaper while critics and women give you momey!
Let's say you were able to pull together 100mil and got a cast of attractive unknowns to work with who can act but won't be too expensive. The studios don't like competition, especially with their corporate vision. They would do everything in their power to block distribution, it's been shown they pay reviewers at rottentomatoes so expect to be reviewbombed, then expect a million articles from places like motherjones, salon and huffpo about how your movie embraces "dangerous andrew tate extremism" and is a "chilling portent of trumpism" and blah blah blah other dumb shit. Anyone in the production have an embarrassing story in their past? There will be articles about it. That chick you got pregnant who kept the kid and never told you? "Misogynist film produced by deadbeat dad." Maybe you slept with a girl you met on tinder who said she was 20 but was actually 17? "Not a surprise: Super sexist film made by child sex predator." with a mugshot of whoever it was on the sex offender registry.
Put your alu hat down, Kramer!
I'd still be itching to make the movie and get it out there. Some if the best movies have been made by rebels. If I were capable of making something of quality that gave the fans what they wanted, there's nothing the critics could do from it growing legs.
Unfortunately, until then, we've got these morons and their trash projects fighting our battles.
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Seems like if you had the vision of the former, but the technical filmmaking knowledge of the latter, that would put things in the right direction.
At least they're trying.
Though it does seem to have a lower budget than the pro-German WWII movies they film in Italy,
Yeah, he's trying... it has no chance of revitalizing the genre because it's got the production value of a local advertisement for a Halloween Haunted House. But who knows, maybe he'll learn how to be a filmmaker through it, and do something more polished in the future.
at least he got it in the can. more than I can say.
none of that matters if your movie is good or strikes a chord with a large real audience. see: that conspiracy movie that came out recently that the left tried for months to slander.
how can you reach a "large real audience" when you're limited in distribution?
These people love "Freedom of speech, not of reach" to silence and contain their opponents.
But if corporatoids cancel your movie these days by accusing you of being a chud, you get a built-in chud audience to make up for it. Free publicity.
And that’s basically the target audience so I don’t see how this is a bad thing.
It is not about money per se, but the large audience that would justife said money. EU cannot make huge films due to the fractured market, but China and India, as the markets go bigger, will make more sci-fi. Hell, China already does.
>cgi simp-patriotic pajeet/chink-slops should be banned from all the world
Isn't South Korea also doing tons of fantasy and sci fi movies and shows? NETFLIX alone funded a bunch.
It takes the most money out of any genre and you are supposing I do it on a shoestring budget. No one will take my scenes serious if I cant afford good actors who take the material seriously and if all the effects are amateur practical and shit cgi.
>inb4 le charming practical effects are good tho
No they really arent on HD cameras with amateur cinematography and lighting skills that those effects rely on for realism. The people making old school practical effects were learned professionals usually past middle age. We literally cant do it without studio funding, its impossible.
AI will solve all of those problems in due time.
I was merely logically answering OPs question, not trying to trigger ai people. the real issue with ai is there will be so much "content" it will dilute the pool of options with endless shit and the professionals who understand story and story structure will be outnumbered by morons who want to see star wars crossover with starship troopers or warhammer as dark 80s fantasy and it sounds like paradise on paper but when you look at how uncreative and basically grotesque people are with dalle you begin to understand that on a level playing field your own lack of creativity and discipline will be your long term enemy. And even if the ai can make perfect story structure every time the issue will become everyone retreating into their own bubble of curated entertainment as we all seperate from each other into our own perfect visions and pornos. And to that, youd probably say its a good thing because of the state of the world but I actually believe in humanity.
OP here, I have hopes in AI, so is not a problem for me, and about the oversaturation of moronic AI crossover projects,
>it will dilute the pool of options with endless shit and the professionals who understand story and story structure will be outnumbered by morons who want to see star wars crossover with starship troopers or warhammer as dark 80s fantasy
bad news anon, that already happens with Hollywood's CGI goyslops and SFM fanfarts.
The thing with AI is directors or writers ostracized by Hollywood, corpos and its consoomer hordes, will find a way to create their true visions.
I actually didn't mean AI will solve it by being some movie generator where you stick a prompt in and it shits out a movie, but I see that it was my fault for not explaining. I meant that AI will solve those problems in that it will eventually make VFX so easy for amateurs that any beginner film maker will be able to get some decent effects and lighting thanks to certain programs adapting AI. Then once a filmmaker can show that he can put out a decent piece, beginner actors at least would take his work more seriously and try to give better performances.
Actually, I think this is a topic worth discussing itself, but with the advent of DALLE it’s pretty clear already that dilution through sheer weight of content is the future. It may take a couple decades but AI is going to advance to the point of being partially and then gradually entirely (or nearly so) involved in the production of entertainment, and at that time the volume of products will be too much to reliably curate. We’re going to have a severe crisis of authenticity and a questioning of the human soul, and it’s not going to be far off.
Many people here are talking about budgetary reasons, which is partially true.
The other big factor is that many movies aren't done for the love of the medium. There are certainly good directors that do love it, and they get more freedom than most, but they still rely on funding from studios.
The studios see movies as an investment, so they want the closest thing to a sure-fire win. A new IP is always a gamble. There's a reason Disney just bought Star Wars outright rather than try to make their own, despite their ability to actually push new IPs.
A bad movie in a well-known universe will almost always sell better than a good indie/unique one in a new universe.
I think we are coming from the perspective that we love it and want to do it, but the next issue becomes money. I can find enough likeminded passionate people who will commit and love it but they need to get paid.
the biggest movie market share of consoomers is children and femoids.
Animation is the future, but its being heavily suppressed by calling it "childish" or "misogynistic" or funding and marketing terrible animations like Castlevania to make it look bad. In the very near future, you will see tons of high quality, low budget projects made purely out of love, passion, and creativity in someone's basement, and Hollywood will NEVER stop seething about it.
The only country investing on fantasy/sci fi animation is Japan, and they are all mostly isekai shit.
Who knows, since America loves copying shit from other countries maybe eventually you'll see Western shit copying all those ridiculous isekai stories as a daring new concept.
And Japanese animation only came about because they were copying America
Be very very careful what you wish for, anon.
That was an alright flick.
It would've been better if they skipped the middle man and just let Joel Haver make it without 2020s sensibilities.
Gor is all about slavery, exploiting women, and rape. Canon turned it into PG-13 trash. Doesn't even show a nipple.
>Gor is all about slavery, exploiting women, and rape.
When the r-rated genre will be free from the pg13 opression?
>Galactic Empir... Government bad again
I wanted to like it. I appreciate the filmmaker putting in the effort. It just didn't resonate with me, but I might give it another go.
I've never seen this image before but this is 100% Conan in The Scarlet Citadel. Based as hell.
yep, by Frazetta, great painting, great painter
I forget how Conan escapes this. I have to read it again.
he stays still and calm so the snake doesn't strike and loses interest. As someone who has owned snakes its a good strategy.
imagine that big thick snake writhing under your legs
U clearly have no idea about animation..its very time consuming for even a team of people make it.
Just look ar AKIRA animated movie,it took them 7-8 years to make with a million dollar budhet and huge team of pros.
Yes but it also has negligible costs unless you're doing it commercially with advertising and salaried employees and such.
One or a couple of people with genuine passion can put out some pretty spectacular stuff if they commit to it and as technology advances its only going to get easier.
Most of the unknown sci-fis have bombed. The most recent one was The Creator.
Hell, the only person really invested on the whole epic fantasy/space opera/sci-fi thing is fricking Zack Snyder, of all people. NETFLIX is investing on his not-Star Wars slash not-HEAVY METAL project.
If that shit end up bombing? Yeah, forget it.
The problem with Zack Snyder is that his sensibilities are... fricking moronic and he rarely cast hot women.
Snyder has cool visuals and a couple of cool ideas but the execution is always terrible and anything he makes that can't be entirely carried by cool visuals, one liners, and action scenes like 300 generally stinks.
His pacing is always poor and his dialogue is stilted and unnatural.
I'm still not entirely sure if all of the DC Snyderverse characters are all intentionally autistic or not, I get that they're mostly weird villains or extremists or aliens or whatever but it seems like theres not a single human being even remotely capable of having a normal conversation in any of those movies.
To be fair to Snyder, he is not a screen-writer. He mostly work based on other people's scripts.
What you're talking about, for example, is mostly problems coming from David S. Goyer's scripts. You can see the same issues in Christopher Nolan's Batman movies.
The fact that Snyder is always working with bad screen writers is another issue: Goyer, Chris Terio (worked on JJ Abrams' Star Wars sequels), Shay Hatten (John Wick movies), Kurt Johnstad (only notable thing is Atomic Blonde), and so on.
Henry Cavill and his 40k show will help too.
By that time hopefully Hollywood will be closed.
>Henry Cavill and his 40k show will help too.
don't hold your breath. we already saw what they did to the witcher. we're getting black transbian ultramarines and there's nothing you nor I can do about it.
>the witcher
That was all netflix. Sure amazon has rope but they also have other stuff like Reacher and Terminal List that aren't completely irredeemable and if Cavill is heavily involved in production I could see him keeping it on track since that's why he left the Witcher.
The awful Disney John Carter is the answer. Dejah Thoris wore more clothes than John Carter.
Besson killed decent budgeted non-Hollywood sci-fi back in 2017.
Damn I've literally never heard of this lol
all they had to do was cast an actual action star-esque male lead and get rid of rihanna and it could have been kino.
I wouldn't recommend watching any of it except for the ~5 minute kino intro scene set to Space Oddity by Bowie.
>was cast an actual action star-esque male lead
They kinda do. In the invisible marketplace scene (where there's a device of some kind that goes on their hand allows inter-dimensional interaction - and some pirates or thugs attack them) the chick comes face to face with a guy who's a dead ringer for comicbook Valerian, and then I think she kills him or something.
Felt like Besson doing a meta thing.
If I ever rewatch that pile of crap, I'll framecap that guy to put in the threads that occasionally come up where this point keeps being reiterated.
Science-Fantasy doesn't fly with audiences if it isn't Star Wars related.
Every time they try nobody's watching it.
Is this even good?
Lacks budget, ironically.
I'd say first season is worth a watch. The second had even less money and is just depressing to watch.
First time I heard about it. Looks cheap-cool.
What universe is picrel?
Pre-80s movie Flash Gordon.
Holy moly, I need a film based in the pre-80s story/aesthetics.
Buck Rogers used to be badass, too.
There's a 50s Flash Gordon show, but that one lacked budget and was, well, made in the 50s.
Best bet is to hunt down the old pulp magazines with their stories.
I really need AI to become the Hollywood destroyer, imagine the unlimited kinos we will create.
Costumes and set design and hair and makeup are really fricking expensive to make fantasy believable. It's not an easy genre for indie directors to nail. Hollywood chases fads and fantasy isn't cool anymore. GOT was an expensive show and succeeded in large part because fantasy was incredibly muted and centered on political intrigue and sex.
The reason Games of Thrones was a success and we sometimes get the odd sci-fi show or movie is because women now are the biggest consumers of "content" and studios are directly catering to them. That's why GoT was even made, because the producers showed that the books had a huge female demographic. Same with the odd show and movie that is sometimes made. They're all teen fantasy that is made for women.
This.
Mainstream media is catered to females and kids.
And science fantasy is a genre for male nerds
This thread made me think of this little film called Rocktapussy. It's a terrible film, but it at least touched on those sexploitation and fantasy elements and if you come at the film with a nuanced approach, you can see that there were areas where they really put an effort in.
The CGI is "decent" for what it is, and there's a great pair of breasts in it, and most of the acting is... well I've seen a hell of a lot worse. The lighting, cinematograph, costumes and makeup look professional enough.
What's interesting about it is that the production value makes it look like they were able to pull enough money in to make a decent go of it, and if you imdb the director he's got a huge backlog of those throwaway Hallmark channel Christmas movies. So I guess that's one way to build up your budget....start off making cheap inexpensive made for TV shlock for the old folks and save up for what you really want to accomplish.
This looks like shit, anon
Yes, the film as a whole is shit. Nuance, anon. Nuance it. My point was that there were elements in it where you can tell where they tried and clearly had the budget to do so.
Eh, at least he gets his wife to show her breasts in that movie. But really, the poster and the trailer were the best part about it.
Lots of those super low budget movies would be better as 60min episodes of some show, or part of an anthology. They clearly don't have the staying power of a 90min+ feature.
Reminds me that most of the low budget sword and sorcery flicks of the 80s are rarely much longer than an hour. I agree it fits better. The genre started with short stories after all.
>pornography.jpg
>le corporations/feminists/leftists hate le beauty and freedom
this is all too common on places like Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile.
i've spilled more than my share of seed to these things but we don't have to pretend it qualifies as beauty.
you just miss your fapping material - it's got nothing to do with principle.
Sometimes a great pair of breasts really ties the room together. It completes the scene.
Even if you don’t show fully exposed flesh, you still need sex appeal. And not just for “spilling your seed”. But because it does set the scene and conveys emotions and intent.
That's all funny and articulate and fair - I can admit these things are fun and have a cool aesthetic, and I can admit that I enjoy them in an ironic way - but it doesn't demand respect. It doesn't need to exist. If it all burnt up tomorrow I'd go on enjoying better things.
If you believe this is all respectable culture, then why don't you believe masturbation is respectable?
And if you *don't* believe masturbation is respectable, then why do you believe things that incite the passion which leads to masturbation are respectable?
Why are you so focused on masturbation? Also, normal people aren't incited to masturabte just because of some casual nudity.
Nudity is not pornography you ignorant prude American
I'm American and I have no issue making that distinction.
wasn't talking to you, was talking to the idiot here
who thinks the OP image is porn.
It is what it is. Why should I care whether you think it's prude to admit this?
>he thinks this is my opinion
That's where you're wrong. These words have definitions you're ignoring which were established centuries before you were born.
but anon, he doesn't like it.
The distinction between porn and "erotica", that is, "acceptable porn" or "porn that i like" has been dubious just as long as the definitions have existed.
People are always and in every generation trying to justify lust, greed, et cetera.
>all these anons keep arguing with someone that say "i don't like [x]
we get it, you don't like it.
what's you're actual response to what i wrote though, coward?
my response is you don't like it, good for you!
>good for you
I don't think you believe that buddy. Does the distinction matter and is it respectable?
Give me an actual response.
It's not about being a fapping incel. Nudity completes the pulp feel and unapologetic cavalier attitude. Heavy Metal, Conan the Barbarian, Beastmaster, etc...all would be incomplete without it. And no, it's not porn, you twit.
>Nudity completes the pulp feel and unapologetic cavalier attitude. Heavy Metal, Conan the Barbarian, Beastmaster, etc...all would be incomplete without it.
i agree, actually
>and no, it's not porn, you twit
No, it is. You're just unhappy with the connotation that it's bad. Which it is.
>No, it is. You're just unhappy with the connotation that it's bad. Which it is.
You're THIS dumb. Astounding.
i'm rubber and you're glue.
Why OP ESL moron?
modern sci fi is extremely expensive, and low talent diversity writers just turn it into dramaslop for women either way which means irl urban or low fantasy settings are generally much easier and cheaper for them to produce.
Part of the problem is you homosexuals have lumped fantasy in with hard science fiction and the two fanbases don't mix like the marketers would hope.
sci fi fantasy is its own genre, anon. it's not lumped in with anything, it stands on its own. you're the one conflating it with "hard" sci fi.
Wrong. Science fiction is a genre. Fantsy is a separate genre. Stuff like The Expanse is science fiction. Stuff like Discworld is fantasy. It's really not hard for someone with an IQ above 70 to figure this out.
science fantasy is a genre as old as science fiction and fantasy themselves. you're just a low IQ autist who thinks its smart.
What's it like being this wrong?
https://www.writingclasses.com/toolbox/ask-writer/whats-the-difference-between-science-fiction-and-fantasy
>whats-the-difference-between-science-fiction-and-fantasy
'Magic's just science we don't understand yet.' - Arthur C. Clarke
Science can be explained. Magic cannot.
>The English words magic, mage and magician come from the Latin term magus, through the Greek μάγος, which is from the Old Persian maguš. (𐎶𐎦𐎢𐏁|𐎶𐎦𐎢𐏁, magician). The Old Persian magu- is derived from the Proto-Indo-European megʰ-*magh (be able). The Persian term may have led to the Old Sinitic *Mγag (mage or shaman). The Old Persian form seems to have permeated ancient Semitic languages as the Talmudic Hebrew magosh, the Aramaic amgusha (magician), and the Chaldean maghdim (wisdom and philosophy); from the first century BCE onwards, Syrian magusai gained notoriety as magicians and soothsayers.
Magicians were the early philosophers and scientists. So yeah, magic can be explained you low-IQtard
>Magicians were the early philosophers and scientists.
That was literally 1000 years ago. It's not my fault you're too lazy to look up the definition of Science Fiction in the dictionary. (protip: it doesn't say a damn thing about magic or fantasy elements)
>thinking genres can’t blend
>not knowing there’s hard sci-fi and regular/soft sci-fi
Smooth brain detected
You're moronic
https://www.masterclass.com/articles/how-are-science-fiction-and-fantasy-distinct
Don't they do those in China, Japan and Korea regularly?
Asian/Foreign artist respect the material more than an Americans do.
They're often low budget crap.
I'm gonna be honest with you, it's not the worst trailer I have seen, looks better than Ahsoka, my main problem is that fight scenes.
The israelites control all media not just Hollywood
Non-Hollywood = non-western.
Non-western = impoverished shitskins and bugmen
Anywhere with enough wealth to make movies on a decent budget is probably spending it on military propaganda or just consumes western goyslop anyway.
The death of Dino De Laurentis and Cannon Films, really, left a massive hole in Hollywood’s landscape even if it was the seedy underbelly, it filled a niche that is missing. CGI is too expensive, and practical effects masters are dying if not completely dated.
Plus the whole “#metoo” put a kibosh on any exploitation films so women can try to hide their selling of their breasts for screen time shame.
Roger Corman was holding out the longest with his New World Pictures. That logo was usually a sign of low budget sci-fi / fantasy exploitation quality.
But yeah, everything above that really hurt once De Laurentis and Canon went breasts up.
AI will save us. During this decade, animation, art/character consistency and tools for camera direction will be developed and once they are open-sourced it's over for Hollywood.
Sure, the world will be flooded by mediocre and degenerate shit, but the good stuff will be recognized. I'm already working on my scripts and storyboarding with Midjourney.
>picrel, kino
>based Omnissiah-pilled text
Hope you and your story triumph, anonbro.
I unironically want a GLORYHAMMER film.
This. The barrier for entry to make great things will be way lowered (that does mean way more garbage around too), and the big business format won't be able to compete, except in marketing. But all the best things will be from small independent teams, and it will be kino.
>when metal bands do a better job than the movie industry
So, the team behind that video is called Hey Beautiful Jerk. And I thought, "this would totally be the ones to pull together a sexy animated fantasy sci-fi film" and then I saw the picture of the team.
*sigh* Never-fricking-mind....
They did a kickstarter a few years back to try and fund a full movie. I don't think it off the ground anyway.
*got off the ground
There are also remnants of an animated Lorna movie. Some french or italian studio was working on it. Went nowhere as well. Shame.
Its all turned into capeshit. The same creatives worked on both cinematics.
2006: https://youtu.be/Wwi2dwG1bA4?si=N6ZM4oSid-RYqAzy
2023:https://youtu.be/aEEtffzHsu8?si=A1ehfUEvv8yhQ15P
why do 20 year olds keep asking stupid fricking questions like this
Because Gen x are spoiled old fricks.
they were indoctrinated to become more finicky, demanding and self-entitled than boomers ever were
What exactly is sci-fantasy?
A fantasy movie with gadgets
Do you think sci-fi is necessarily more pessimistic and critical than ordinary fantasy? Not just by definition - but for success, and effect. There's usually an element of dystopia or grit.
I mean I like it better that way, myself.
Not necessarily imo. You can have a hopeful or even a boring future which doesn't involve dystopian themes. If you think about it most of the popular "gritty dark future" sci-fi stories we see in movies and TV are a byproduct of 20th century cold war mentality and lazy writers have probably way overused that trope within our lifetimes.
You can, but is it good generally speaking?
>a byproduct of 20th century cold war mentality
That's what sci-fi is, though. That's why I think darkness is inherent to the genre It evolved such that darkness would be "its element".
You have a good point. Most modern scifi has become like you're describing. That said, HG Wells wrote scifi in the 19th century and it isn't all gritty and dark. Also I think if you get into the history of sci-fi you will see ancient greeks were telling time travel device stories about what they thought would happen in the future. They were allegorical but not necessarily dark and gritty.
Sci-fi and fantasy are the two classic escapist genres so they have to be as boring and pozzed by modern American politics as humanly possible.
I unironically love old-school science-fantasy films.
The popularity of pulpy sexy fantasy in the 80's has always been tightly associated with sexist attitudes in society at the time.
So, the question: can you revitalize the sexy fantasy 80's genre today and ensure that the exploitive side of it stays in front of the camera and never behind it? Can you get a big enough budget to make something decent, pay the nude/topless actresses what their worth for their time, and ensure that the whole filmmaking process stays professional?
Just make the females actual strong women who happen to dress scantily (really same as the men) and remove all the obligatory rape attempts against the heroines since sexual violence rarely ever adds anything to the story anyway.
Live action? Probably not. Too many Weinstein ass motherfrickers are still in the business. 3D or 2D animated? Yeah, probably. In fact, I'd personally prefer the latter.
more importantly, why should I care what happens along the path of someone who set
>I want to be richer and more famous than most everyone
as their career path, aka an actor/actress?
Glad you asked. Because if word got around that a fantasy sci-fi shock b-movie production was rife with sexism toward the female cast, that would solidify the current attitude towards the genre, and kill it for another 3 decades.
Zack Snyder was able to do this with Sucker Punch and all the actresses associated with that movie love him to bits. They call him daddy and shit.
>They call him daddy and shit.
proofs?
That most fantasy books used to be aimed towards males and that's problematic, why do you think all new fantasy series use females as MCs or Sanderson's books being full of feminism harder than Amazon's WoT
With how eager Hollywood is to adapt everything I'm surprised they haven't scooped up more sword and sorcery or science fantasy classics. The rights have to be dirt cheap or free in public domain. I guess they hate the idea of white male protagonists that much since that's the only thing they wouldn't be able to get away with changing. But you could totally do a Conan show where he's bouncing around southern kingdoms where he's basically the only white person and it would be cheap as shit.
Democracy isn't always the best outcome, all old media was made by small teams, all those old special-effects in movies were made by the same people who looked down on newbies and basically closed doors to people that wanted to enter the film industry. When the gatekeepers were removed and open to everyone we ended up with the results we see today. You think Alien would end up like it did if it wasn't done by absolute sci-fi nerds who fought for Giger to work on the movie? Even Ridley Scott read french sci-fi comics by Moebius and also drew the storyboards and made designs.
Same thing happened to video-games, there's too many people and you have to accept and appeal to all of them, except you know who.
I get your point anon, the thing is right now the nerds like us are expulsed from our holy escapism and the gatekeepers are the gays of Hollywood. What I want is a "democracy only for nerds" or "nerdocracy" and the gays out.
john carter flopping scared them off.
I wasn’t terribly impressed with this one a story or lore level, but what they achieved for the budget was really really impressive. I think a lot was done on a single stage and the environments rendered with Blender and it looks alright. There’s definitely potential with someone more visionary with these tools
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Can't for the life of me get around the prompts for celebs
It can't be done today
Even the way humans speak to each other has dramatically shifted from the way it was back then.
There's tons of philosophy and general level of knowledge and empathy people lack nowadays, which I think is taken for granted as seen in older science fantasy writings.
When modern writers write for previous times, they often can't even begin to imagine beyond the clothing styles that people and culture was any different, so its completely normal for the people to be cruel, crass, degenerate, and filled with all of today's leftist social normative behaviors. They might include a small amount of religion, but almost never the way people talk and act. Even as early as the 70's if you look at old films you can see women acting completely different.
Even in fantasy videogame writing, the closest we'll get to this, you still see the miasma of modern culture taking away the magic
They keep failing?