What the frick? When this show was running, I was getting inundated with headlines saying it was destroying chuds and was the most popular show ever. What happened?
What the frick?
What the frick? When this show was running, I was getting inundated with headlines saying it was destroying chuds and was the most popular show ever. What happened?
Well Disney saw how much money they are losing and decided they no longer want to touch anything that can be related to the culture war
That or they just have no idea what to do with the hulks
>Well Disney saw how much money they are losing and decided they no longer want to touch anything that can be related to the culture war
but muh ESG money everyone keeps talking about!
The kind of people claiming that ESG will save Disney are the same people who were convinced COVID wouldn't affect Disney
You realize they hired on that "It's time for a woman to shape a galaxy far far away" person very recently, right?
The only hope of anon being close to correct is if Peltz somehow gets a foodhold in his proxy war. Otherwise they are absolutely going to keep sucking that ESG teat, which is great for the Board and literally nobody else.
>You realize they hired on that "It's time for a woman to shape a galaxy far far away" person very recently, right?
You realize they first announced her on a Star Wars movie in 2023, right?
Hell, not only that, but how many Star Wars projects have they announced have actually been made?
Like a quarter of them.
Is anyone still insisting that the Rian Johnson trilogy is happening, or have they finally acknowledged it's dead?
>Guuuuys? I don't understand, explain my own argument to me pleeeeeaase guys!
Frick off homosexual take your bait elsewhere
Except there is no argument in the OP, you dumb fricking redditor. You people are literally incapable of having an original thought.
I want to see both of you having rough gay sex, cry into each other's arms, and make up.
>I was stupid but get distracted by sexsexsex
you could be a senator
They tried too hard with the fourth wall breaking shit. It ended up making the entire show feel pointless by the end of it.
The final episode was literally them saying "this show sucks, it's entire premise was stupid". I'm sure that was meant to be some hilarious ironic meta-commentary but it turns out that audiences saw that and were like "yeah you're right, this does suck"
The real issue is Disney has no control over their budgets and were burning movie level cash on every episode
Better shows have been cancelled for less.
She-Hulk was an utter garbage show. And the CGI being expensive as frick doesn't help.
What I don't understand is, why IS Hulk CGI, and extremely expensive at that?
Because you have to pay a lot of people to get that CGI going
Because she-hulk is 7 feet tall and green? And frankly she wasn’t she-hulk enough in the show. You should literally never see Jen unshulked.
Their she-hulk design was awful though. Too bulky and not the right shade of green.
Because you have to basically frame by frame rotoscope animate a green character into every minute Jen is on screen. And she is the main character of the show. It is both a live action and animated series at the same time doubling the budget.
How much cheaper would the show have been with a bigger actress and green makeup? Actual question
Significantly? Reanimating every single scene a character is in required hiring an animation team of about 7-15 people, all nearing 6 figures, lots of time spent on combing over each scene, and basically inserting a new character into each one, making them move correctly, making them look real, then sending them over to an effects guy to ensure lighting is just right and it fits into the scene correctly. Also keeping the writer, director and other staff around to ensure it all works together cohesively. So likely a little over half the budget since it if filming a new show on top of a filmed show.
Also it wold have cut production time in half to drop all of it as well.
Not even that, use of stunt actors and forced perspective sets could have massively reduced the price.
But you have to plan for that, and that pretty much sums up the majority of the issues for the MCU - not enough planning, way, WAY too much "we'll fix it in post."
Literally the only D+ show worth a second season. I literally couldn't give a frick about any of the others including that dumb Brendan Fraser Mummy knock off with the admittedly great Oscar Isaac performance.
Actually making it a comedy made the MCU joke shit actually tolerable, because it worked in context. The legal shit was thin, but they knew that and de-emphasized it, they could've hired a better writer for that between seasons. Daredevil was 10/10 great and I can't wait to see his happy streak come to a grinding halt, hope Born Again doesn't suck.
Yeah, the CGI was awful, but Marvel's shit always is. They haven't had good CGI in their crap in over ten years.
The fact they didn't even think to hire someone who actually knew how to write a lawyer show was just stupid, though, so I didn't have much hope for them to manage in any future.
Shut the frick up.
Her face is like
not quite there yet
Instead of singling out She Hulk, better to ask why out of all the MCU D+ shows, why only two of them got second seasons to begin with
Because there's like one singular good D+ show
Doesn't explain What If, of all things, getting a sequel
What If is worse than She-Hork so idk what to tell you my man.
It's two seasons was/is produced as a single entity, it can get cancelled only after both are aired. Same reason Velma "got" a season 2, it was already being made before season 1 aired.
Because most of them were miniseries with no plans for further seasons.
That’s not even remotely true. This is like saying iron man 1 was meant to be a one-off film.
Anon....
You really think iron man was meant to be a 1 off?
>That’s not even remotely true.
Yes, it is. WandaVision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Moon Knight were all one-and-done. Loki was always meant to be two seasons. Hawkeye was supposed to be one-and-done too, but they were willing to do more if there was a strong demand.
The only shows intended to be ongoing were Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk.
>but they were willing to do more if there was a strong demand.
This addendum applies to literally everything ever made you fricking moron. That’s the point. There wasn’t demand.
If they'd made it a superhero legal procedural in the style of Aly Mcbeal, they could have built sets that allow for forced perspective and cut their CG bill by a fortune.
I’m so sick of you not-so-stealth writers posting here. Nobody wants ally mcbeal but superheroes. We want she-hulk in a bikini going into space.
The legal angle isn’t interesting in any way. Only Byrne matters. The entire problem with the show was basing it on Slott then using the “teehee it’s totes like byrne” excuse in the finale.
>We want she-hulk in a bikini going into space
Got a gerbil up your ass, shitdick? Capeshit McBeal is 100% what I want.
Nobody cares what your homosexual ass wants. That’s why your show got cancelled.
>That’s why your show got cancelled.
moron, it was axed specifically because it DIDN'T give me what I wanted. Quit acting like you're one of your "based!" YouTubers were the loudest, most theatrical display of anger wins the argument and speak as though you have some sense.
I hate YouTube but I hate you more. I’m sick of you homosexuals trying to co-opt characters and using the specter of random nobodies making videos online to hand wave criticism.
She-hulk doesn’t work in a court room. It’s moronic to push that angle. She should be in a bathing suit in between fighting living hills and aliens.
>She-hulk doesn’t work in a court room
What
Every time she’s in a court room it’s sucks and daredevil would be more appropriate. It doesn’t work.
You can absolutely do both aspects.
It's not like in CURRENT YEAR we're going to get a she-hulk episode where She-hulk wonders if she should let the older more-hulk like she-hulk rape a kid on the basis that it would be a good learning experience for him.
You could still do the bait and switching naked Shulk skip roping, being told to do things to keep her popular enough whilst still having funny takes on superhero legal issues and people thinking she had a fling with the juggernaut.
>and people thinking she had a fling with the juggernaut
Again nobody wants this. That’s slott shit. Frick off with that.
>MUH SACRED BYRNE
Yes, and? You gonna MUH MUH some more, Muh-Muh?
There are people actually mad about the juggernaut thing? LMAO
Slott is the one who got upset about the Juggernaut fling
Austen was the one who originally wrote the story
>We want she-hulk in a bikini going into space.
But why?
You could literally do that with literally any other superhero.
Making it a single female lawyer show would at least make it unique.
>You could literally do that with literally any other superhero.
No you can’t. They don’t talk to the viewer and marvel has no interest in their “strong female characters (TM)” being shown as anything but warriors and fighters. There’s also the fact that it’s what her best and only good comics were about.
Why do people like you want characters to be altered so much?
Why would She-Hulk (or any other superhero) be going into space unless it's to fight off an alien threat?
Unless they're already a cosmic superhero to begin with?
I just wanted to tell you that you're based, anon.
Frick those morons, no one wants a show where nothing happens. Give me fun colorful villains who are actual threats over gay law and woman drama/"comedy" instead.
>Nobody wants ally mcbeal but superheroes.
I do.
A well written legal show that takes place in the Marvel universe, but is otherwise played like a completely straight Law and Order season would have been really funny though.
Samegayging is pathetic
Very agreed anon
This, Frick Ally McBeal, She's a shit character & there's a reason why the zeitgeist has memoryholed her show.
did you miss the part where the head writer admitted that was the direction they were going to go but they realized writing court room scenes, (which is actually very easy because courts have procedural rules, there is a reason so many shows revolve around lawyers) was too hard for them so they scraped it
Didn't Slott just give-up in the middle of his run & went "Frick it She's a S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent now."?
I was all lies. Headlines are the new advertising. Bad opinions must be punished because they hurt the bottom line. Kill the jester! Kill the crier!
>I was getting inundated with headlines saying it was destroying chuds and was the most popular show ever
This never happened. Post one article. I'll wait.
https://mashable.com/article/she-hulk-toxic-fans-revenge-porn
You thought you had me, troon
That article is only about destroying chuds and doesn't say that the show is popular at all.
https://fandomwire.com/she-hulk-reveals-impressive-viewership-record-despite-negative-online-hate-comfortably-beats-most-disney-shows-including-ms-marvel/
YWNBAW
I wonder if she'll still be dating daredevil in his show or if they'll do a full reboot down the line with a bigger actress so that they don't have to spend so much on cgi.
Clearly I blame the vast chud hordes for their endless campaign to ruin this show. Because OBVIOUSLY it was the single greatest, smartest, bravest thing that has ever been made that clearly had every rating and all the revenue that made Disney billions! It was too flawless that the chuds just HAD to attack it at every corner and pay off critics to badmouth it, and pay families to stop watching it, and paid others into not talking about it at work any longer!
Hiring writers that knew literally nothing about court room drama was a clear indication they had no idea what they wanted to do with the show.
It's not a binary "courtroom/no courtroom" choice. I'd say they needed at least a little bit of courtroom stuff to frame the character, and they needed to do it competently. Even if it was only for 5 minutes in the first episode, and not throughout the show, they needed at least one person who knew what the frick they were writing about.
The irony of the production specifically citing Ally McBeal as an inspiration was that they didn't comprehend why Ally McBeal worked; the creator and main writer KNEW LAW. He had been a lawyer, so he could write convincing dialogue, and solid jokes about the process. Trying to write legal stuff when your only knowledge of the field comes from media about legal stuff is obvious and terrible.
This is a recurring issue, and the big reason modern media has so many high profile tone deaf failures - the focus on diversity of identity over diversity of experience. So we've got a bunch of middle- high income theater kids trying to write about subjects they have no experience with.
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>90s Shulk
>incredibly confident in herself because of her new form, knows she's a bombshell and flaunts it not only because she can but because she looks and feels good doing it
>has a ton of friends
>is incredibly playful while never being outright mean to anyone
>is a huge flirt in a "look but can't touch" way because she knows she's THAT sexy now
Meanwhile MCU
>can't portray a character as sexy and proud of her looks because that's objectification and anti body positive
>has next to no friends and is incredibly insecure even after becoming she hulk, comes off as extremely bitter
>peak narcissist, tells someone who was abused as a child and has attempted suicide several times that she has suffered far more than him because she's a woman in the modern age
>playful flirt is replaced with "men evil and woman do everything better than man" forgetting who she hulk's target demographic is and was
>overall just a Los Angeles fat feminist's power fantasy
Gee I wonder why it flopped
>90s Shulk
I See what youse did there.
This reminds me of a YT vid I listened to a while ago that talked about how there were a bunch of studies that came to the same conclusions that women say that they love the female empowerment schlock that comes out these days but their brain scans showed that they actually hated it. Which tracks tbh
That's seriously one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. Also 100 percent tracks with what I see. There's a massive discrepancy between what they say the like and what they actually watch.
Is there anything that explains why they love True Crime so fricking much?
Women have romanticized and sexualized serial killers for decades, possibly even more
You know how many letters Dahmer alone fricking got?
l certainly remember Nevada-Tan
Yes, it's called the numerous studies about why people fricking love horror movies.
Why do you think Found Footage took off for a brief, awful time?
It is probably a mix of things:
Women love mysteries. Probably because they like monitoring the motivations and relationships of their social group. Which is probably because being aware of everyone's social status is one of the ways in which they could secure their families without recurring to violence in primitive cultures. This is probably the same reason women love gossip and social sims too.
And talking about gossip, if you think about it, most mystery stories usually involve learning gossip about some 4-10 characters, including their wealth, relationships, medical issues, dirty secrets, etc. Ie, gossip.
Women get thrilled by the idea of dangerous men. Probably because dangerous men might have given them chances of rising in social hierarchy in nature if they were successful.
True crime also usually involves a bit of horror and many women love horror. Probably because most women's reaction to violence tends to be to hide or to run. This is basically the opposite to men who tend to usually confront threats of violence directly. Which is probably why men tend to more easily self insert into action, sport and chase scenes.
Because females are the "sexual selector" in most mammals, women might just like making guesses about people's character and being able to test if they were right or wrong to some extent. They kinda have to test a man's character whenever they are invited to a date, take a ride home, etc. But they can't walk back their choices irl.
That makes sense. Wish we could redirect it at better taste, though.
Well they are not allowed to say they actually love dumb princess fantasy and traditional romance shit...but there has to be Some kind of reason why Hallmark Channel has about 500 of the exact same girl meets guy in a small town in a coffee shop movie that they replay every day for the last 25 years.
The corporate level middle aged, childless, single, angry cat Karens in all the studios and companies are basically running the narrative for absolutely everyone.
You know it would be nice if you left some kind of sources, either for the vid or the studies
I believe it was this one https://youtu.be/WkVX0vG6aT0?si=C6pPUzdssaxvm9ys
Basically says that the women responded negatively to female characters described as "aggressive" regardless of whether they were attractive or not and the only women who did like them had a history of aggressive behavior
y'know that meme of obama awarding himself a medal?
there you go.
This show pretty much killed any illusion of stakes in the MCU. Like having the final episode be your character breaking the fourth wall and coming into 'our world', talking to the writers, and then talking to what's effectively the MCU's version of God and nagging it into submission until it unfricks everything...how is anyone supposed to care about anything moving forward? If Kang or Dr Doom or Galactus get too difficult to beat, just get the green c**t to whine at the robot until it has them shit themselves to death
>But it said it wouldn't do that again
I'm sure Disney, the company that brought us such hits as "Somehow Palpatine returned", is totally committed to narrative integrity.
It failed because Marvel forgot to make a permission slip for people to use in order to get off of work/school to watch the finale.
too expensive to sustain and still she-hulk looked like shit
should have done a live actress in make up and used forced perspective like the rings movies to make her seem big
but of course that would take planning and effort, better to puke out some cgi crap
To be honest, no amount of effort would make this awful show not shit unless it involves hiring someone who's actually competent at being a writer and not a moronic Rick and Morty c**t with a chip on her shoulder and her merry crew of idiots.
This. It needed men who understand what it is that the audience is looking for in Jen. You have to write these superhero comicbook women as girlfriends and potential waifus for the men reading the subject matter. If I don't want to date, rescue/save or fall in love with Jen then I sure as fricking shit wouldn't want to watch her adventures. She has such a shitty personality that even if she had Kardashian proportions she might still be too shitty to even wank one off to. I mean, God, why would you put an unhappy fat women in charge of a story like this? It's hysterically wrong. Even when Jen was supposed to be "showing off" her dresses were laughably fricking modest. Women will never ever cast or dress other women in something that they know men will respond positively to. Even when its their job.
>should have done a live actress in make up and used forced perspective like the rings movies to make her seem big
couldn't they also have just gotten a taller person and mocapped them like they did with Kratos or am I missing something
>Anon discovers that marketers tend to exaggerate the truth for better results
Propaganda marketing meant for emotionally fragile 30-something white women to feel like they could make the world a better place by watching and tweeting about a show no one actually liked.
Sad thing is that terminally online shills/haters can only be defeated by other terminally online shills/haters. The average normie stands no chance to effect actual change.
>Leftist and their israeli handlers lied
Never. In the history of this world, has this happened before. Nothing to do but to give them the benefit of the doubt and trust them they won't do it again.
It was gonna flop no matter what.
Superhuman law is a such farce of a gimmick you might as well leave your brain at the door.
I can't believe the show that openly mocked its viewers isn't going to be coming back...