Seriously
Not even black panther 2 had a box office drop this abysmal. That managed to gross 850m.
Meanwhile pic rel could barely pass 200m despite the first grossing over a billion.
I'm still shocked about it.
What the frick went so wrong?
Seriously
Not even black panther 2 had a box office drop this abysmal. That managed to gross 850m.
Meanwhile pic rel could barely pass 200m despite the first grossing over a billion.
I'm still shocked about it.
Several factors.
1. The only reason the first film did so well was that it was riding on the pre-Endgame hype. In retrospect, Captain Marvel had probably the least cultural impact of any Infinity Saga film.
2. The sequel came at the tail end of a downward spiral brought on by a three year long rapid fire of new MCU content, made up of 10 films, 9 TV shows, and 2 specials, with an overall decline in quality from what came before.
3. On the subject of TV shows, the film assumes you've seen Wandavision and Ms. Marvel. Besides the fact that Disney+ is a massive money sink with declining membership, Ms. Marvel was one of the least watched MCU shows, and Monica was one of the least talked about characters in Wandavision while it was running.
>the film assumes you've seen Wandavision and Ms. Marvel.
Not only that but it also completely ignores everything set up in those shows so even if you spend the time to watch them there's no reward.
>3. On the subject of TV shows, the film assumes you've seen Wandavision and Ms. Marvel
No it does not . People manage to follow the film just fine without seeing either of those Disney Plus shows.
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>Not only that but it also completely ignores everything set up in those shows so even if you spend the time to watch them there's no reward.
What are you talking about Kamala TV so sets up the mutants by saying she is one Kamala is a mutant and the end of the Marvel's movie shows the X-Men from the X-Men movie franchise
Except that it completely ignores the Skrulls revolution on earth and they send a group of Skrulls refugees straight to earth
It also ignores the fact that Kamala's bracelets are supposed to connect to a very specific dimension yet in The Marvels it's suddenly just generic quantum slop.
>What are you talking about Kamala TV so sets up the mutants by saying she is one Kamala is a mutant and the end of the Marvel's movie shows the X-Men from the X-Men movie franchise
And nobody cares about Kamala or mutants. Stop trying to make them happen, Disney.
What makes you think I'm Disney?
Kamala is perfect when they keep her street level
Kamala doesn't have the charisma to lead a team. I really hate her in Champions. Just an unlikable c**t but international.
That's because in that one she got written by Waid
But really they rushed to put her on a team before fully developing her
It assumes you've seen WandaVision and Ms Marvel because it's a team up episode between the characters from those shows. If you haven't seen those shows, there's no appeal at all. OK, the story makes sense, but no one is going to fricking see it because they don't know the characters!
I went and saw it and I had no idea the black girl was in wandavision and I didn't even know ms marvel had a show
Why did you go and see it?
I like the Captain Marvel character
frick off Brie
I am a Brie Larson fan
Don't forget that Disney bought their own tickets.
>the film assumes you've seen Wandavision
The irony here? Everyone is more interested, and keeps asking, where Vision is. No one cares about Monica, they want to know how Vision Blanco is coping with his fractured mind and loss of Wanda
They still haven't done anything with Vision Blanco? Fricking hell, also isn't the original Vision dead?
>also isn't the original Vision dead?
They rebuilt him into White Vision. Hex Vision broke his reprogramming and restored his memories, he came to the realization that he was Vision and left, we still don't know where he went or what his mental state is.
A lot of people have assumed he's going to be emotionless because that happened in the White Vision storyline in the comics, but we have no idea at all if the MCU is doing the same or not.
This is the difference it makes when you put effort into making a character likeable, and showing audiences how they're connected to more important characters, why they care about each other, etc. You can't not do the work on why we should care about Monica and her abandonment issues with Carol and then tell a big story about it.
White Vision surviving just feels like something they threw in as sequel bait but he's not appeared because nobody had any real plans for him afterwards. Then when they knew WandaVision was a hit they'd already wrecked and 'killed' Wanda, so they greenlit a Vision show and an Agatha show. But it sounds like their only idea for the Vision show is to adapt a well-known modern comic story that fans really don't want to see.
To be fair it's hard to make a likeable hero who's origin story is-
>Stuck her hand into a giant red glowing wall of death that just vanished a town and mere seconds ago obliterated her drone from her perspective
And then
>Runs back into that same wall after fleeing from it screaming in terror, all she knows about it is if she touches it best case scenario she gets brainwashed and literally has 0 reason to think anything different happens even with stuff made specifically to resist it like the truck, and then she just succeeds because the ending of this show was really fricking bad.
So consistently mid that people didn't want to go see a movie they'd likely be bored by. No word of mouth to change that, flopped like a fish.
Captain Marvel not charismatic, the other two are literal actual whos unless you saw the shows. And no one saw Ms Marvel.
A lot of normies I knew swear they "had no idea they even made this". I don't understand how that was possible, as I was bombarded with promotional content left and right, but I can't count the times people claim they had no idea the thing was even made, much less released and passed.
Saying "I didn't even know it was coming out" is their way of shifting blame from themselves for not doing a heccin' good activism by seeing the strong diverse women movie onto the studio for not wasting an even large sum of money on making sure everyone was convinced to go see the movie by bombarding them with posters and commercials.
…or maybe they’re just people who aren’t always online or keep up with every new film release. With the strikes going at the time it’s entirely possible normal people totally missed this movie’s release. Not that I’m saying that’s why it flopped, if Captain Marvel had any sort of connection with audiences people would’ve been aware of another of her movies coming out.
No, because then that would be their excuse. They could just say that they don't care about marvel movies or that they thought it looked bad. They could say something honest instead of pretending that despite being terminally online to talk about how they somehow masterfully dodged every single mention and ad and trailer and that they were blissfully unaware it even existed.
The Marvels has all the classic stink of a movie that people feel compelled to care about. Diverse cast. All female leads. Most important character in the MCU. Female director. Etc etc. They feel compelled to lie and make excuses for why they didn't see it and "I wasn't subjected to enough advertisement" is the easiest scapegoat to make it look like the studio is at fault, or that the strikes somehow blinded them to any upcoming movies, as if they were more likely to see interview clips, but none of the other promotion for the movie.
You likely autistic, possibly schizophrenic, and definitely fricking moronic.
didn't mean to quote the first post there that one is being reasonable
They're normies, homosexual, as shocking as it may be the entire planet doesn't "play culture wars" every second of every day the same way you do
Normies don't say that kind of shit. They just say they didn't see it. They don't make excuses. That's the point.
They probably saw the promotional stuff but it didn't leave enough of an impact that they remembered it existing
My mom had seen one of the commercials and thought they were doing a continuation of Thanos, since he was in those last-week to release trailers that reeked of desperation, but otherwise no one else I knew had known of it
Normies have mostly turned out commercials. Advertising is just background noise to them before the background noise of their streaming shows come back on. They've been bombarded with so much shit advertising since day one that they've evolved a psychological dissociation mechanism. It just doesn't work anymore.
>normies
>tuning out commercials
Doubt it, especially if it's true that Adblock users around the world are still in the minority (for good reason). Though if I had to check with my normie friends, capeshit movies in general aren't their top concern, and the target audience of nerd women have moved on to other trendy interests. THe weird thing is I have a female friend who used to be full-on hyped for Ms. Marvel during and post-release (the first movie) and was all about female empowerment, etc etc. But then this movie came and she was like "oh, there's another one?" and that's where her knowledge of it started and ended.
*Captain Marvel
Even normalgays, upon seeing enough slop, will become wary and tired of more slop. Black Panther 2 was forgettable slop so bad it fricking killed all the WAKANDA FOREVER Black person behavior that plagued the first movie. With each movie and series after Endgame, they alienated more and more of the normalgay audience until they just couldn't be bothered to care anymore.
SAG strike, otherwise it would've made a couple Briellion easy.
Kek, Carolgays will die in denial
More like Wokepedia in denial
they're shitting on blue beetle there too
it's just mcu shills being mcu shills (carol has no real shills hence why the movie made no money)
>It's real
>They actually locked the page to prevent it from being edited
And leftists wonder why more and more people are questioning reality every day. They cant possibly keep up this "reality leans Left" meme for much longer
Also the Mario movie became called anti-woke more and by the people who were previously called it the most movie ever as it became obvious it succeeded financially.
wikipedia is truly run by SJW morons
It's not enough they frick up WIkia to the ground but they gotta affect the Wikipedia too.
>Actually it's about ethics in superhero movie wiki editing.
So Shazam 2 and Blue Beetle came the closest to matching their budgets and Blue Beetle got generally thumbs up reviews
So for the Carolgays that insist this movie was awesome and fun can you explain something to me?
What's Monica's deal, exactly? Carol was her *mom's* friend. It's weird that she's a grown ass woman that spends what, 30 years pining for her mom's friend that she met like one time.
Carol raised her.
How much? I thought Carol spent the majority of that time in space looking for and failing to find a Skrull planet.
>I thought Carol spent the majority of that time in space looking for and failing to find a Skrull planet
It was on her to-do list after marrying a K-Pop prince.
Carol did not raise Monica at all. Monica is written as someone who had a meaningful, deep, important relationship with Carol that never actually happened and you go through the whole movie wondering why it's such a big fricking deal until it suddenly isn't.
>buzzword
what's the use of trying to change a predetermined opinion
Whether it's overrated or not, the GA gave a shit about Black Panther to some extent plus many were curious how they'd handle his death. Third film probably won't make anywhere near as much though.
Nobody cared about captain marvel even when the first came out. Also, I know the Disney bought tickets narrative is a bit of a conspiracy theory but I will say that when I saw BP1, the theater was packed. When I saw CM, it wasn't even half full.
Both on opening night.
>Third film probably won't make anywhere near as much
Why would anyone want to see a third Black Panther movie? To see T'challa's secret baby? There is no narrative through line between the films. We just had two movies retreading the same beats about characters overcoming grief and accepting the same role. You had to overlook so much shit to make the second movie work from the death of T'Challa off screen to the synthetic heart shaped herb, never mind forcing Ironheart into the story for reasons. There's no point to Shuri having chemistry with Namor anymore. Frick with Angela Bassett gone there isn't even a supporting cast left except Colonizer Frodo, the spear lady, and the head monkey dude.
Marvel is desperate for their "young avengers" bullshit to work.
Chadwick dying really fricked them over.
their refusal to replace Chadwick (over his own wishes) really fricked them over.
Chadwick: I'm fine with someone else playing the role
Chadwick's family: We're fine with someone else playing the role
Audiences: We're fine with someone else playing the role
Disney: He's irreplaceable.
>Audiences: We're fine with someone else playing the role
I kind of doubt it
Batman was 3 different actors in the 90s and kids didn't notice or care. Audiences latched onto Black Panther, Wakanda, the costumes, etc. Black boys latched onto Black Panther. They killed the franchise's momentum and lost out on building upon a new generation of fans for the character by making too much of the actor's passing due to the politics of the moment.
The politics of the moment is what makes me doubt it
Black adults latched onto Black Panther because some were stupid enough to believe Wakanda was a real place and others believed Wakanda is what all of Africa would have been like if whitey never showed up because they believed Killmonger was supposed to be a hero. It wasn't about the quality of the movie, which was so forgettable that the only thing anyone took away from it was Black Ethnostate Good (ignoring the end of the movie) and M'Baku being awesome (true).
>because some were stupid enough to believe Wakanda was a real place
I refuse to believe some grown-ass individuals were this idiotic.
>I refuse some grown-ass individuals were this idiotic
Anon...c'mon.
New T'Challa should have debuted in an Avengers movie before BP2. Get some audience feedback, allow the actor to fine tune his performance whilst putting his own mark on the role. Would have been a better introduction.
I'm still baffled they felt the role of a fricking capeshit character was too important to recast in the wake of Boseman's death. The man played Jackie Robinson. He doesn't give a damn who you cast as T'Challa.
That shit's never happening. This franchise's in ruins and Stanfield's older than ScarJo was when Black Widow made her debut in the MCU.
>Stanfield's older than ScarJo was when Black Widow made her debut in the MCU.
Holy fricking shit
they took the most boring possible choice oh who should take over as black panther
It’s obviously going to soft reboot with his son aged up. Wouldn’t be suprised if they have a team up with storm.
At this point I'd rather bet in a literal dead pool for MCU titles on whether any future movie with the "next generation" as the main face while being propped up by a legacy character will underperform or not.
It's straight up whiplash to have three different Black Panthers in three different movies. I don't care if it's technically being set up, it's bad story telling.
Black Panther will be male again when Jon Kent goes back to being a straight boy.
>Both on opening night.
I don't believe you, every marvel slop premiere was sold out back then, Captain Marvel was released in the peak of MCU popularity
M'Bakuu should've been the Black Phanter god dammit.
anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot. i say this as someone who hates the black panther movies
Marvel's continuing denial that anybody actually cares about Carol Danvers.
no one cares about any of the characters.
People only watched Captain Marvel because Infinity War's end credits said you gotta before Endgame comes out.
Monica is a nobody.
Miss Marvel is a bit charming but is not the main character of the trio and her debut is in Disney+ hell.
Didn't Black Panther 2 still make like +800M despite the title character being, you know, dead?
Yes the OP mentioned that.
Normies weren't COMPLETELY repulsed by capeshit then.
They mentioned the box office but without the context that Boseman was dead and they had to pivot extremely quickly to make up for it since Boseman was pretty well-liked for the role, and it still managed to make as much as it did despite his death.
That's honestly probably a leading factor in it making as much as it did. Heath Ledger dying skyrocketed Dark Knight's BO. "Paying respects" and all that.
I have severe doubts BP 3 would make all that much.
How did Ant-Man 3 make more?
>started the year as the worst capeship opening
>ended up being a respectable number compared to the other flops later in the year
Based antchad.
Literally, Ant-Man's worst movie ended up doing more than the sequel movie of the character that Marvel wanted to push as one of the main faces.
I liked it.
thats because you are a homosexual with shit taste
frick off Bree
Yeah yeah, the Marvels is a massive flop in year when Disney had almost nothing but, cool
Can we talk about how frick awful the movie actually is? I watched it the other night, and I had no idea it would be THAT bad. It's not even that that it has a light tone and can't take goddamn anything seriously. Don't get me wrong, it can't, but it can't even do that right, the jokes are hardly even jokes, they're more ""witty"" observations about the plot, setting, or characters. And the serious moments really aren't any better, there is a goddamn scene where one of the characters weakly say "I don't want to remember this" as if seeing obvious discomfort on her face while remembering things that give her trauma was too subtle for the dumb dumbs of the world
I can't even be mad at this, that require me having an emotional response, which this thing is incapable of doing. I'm more mad at Marvel and Disney for thinking they could get away with this and present it as a tentpole mulitbillion dollar making movie
It's a wholly incompetent movie on nearly every level. It barely holds up under it's own internal logic, let alone in the larger MCU story. When the director said she was filming scenes and had no idea what any of them were for, I believe it.
>the jokes are hardly even jokes, they're more ""witty"" observations about the plot, setting, or characters
MCU humor in a nutshell.
The Marvels
>budget: $274.8 million (gross), $219.8 million (net)
>Worldwide box office is $206,058,984, which consists of:
>Domestic: $84,500,223
>Worldwide: $206,058,984
Aquaman 2
>budget $205-215 million
>Worldwide box office is $396,190,000, which consists of:
box office: $114,190,000
box office: $282,000,000
What the hell? I kind of expected Aquaman 2 to do worse domestically than The Marvels because of the string of DC flops last year and how much troubled production problems it had, but somehow it beat The Marvels in both domestic and worldwide?
today I realized Aquaman 2 came out nearly a month ago
Damn it even beat Dwayne's Black Adam
Aquaman is at least appealing to some women because it has two sexy actors broing it up shirtless most of the movie.
The Marvels has nothing that would appeal to men or women.
They tried to get rid of him, but from ocean to ocean, they're gonna have to deal with him
MISTA WORLDWIDE
Was there any good word of mouth for this movie? Puss In Boots and the new Godzilla movie were able to climb up from nothing due to everyone talking about the film like they're the besterest movies evah.
They should have highlighted the fact that 90% of Carol's costumes show off her buff veiny forearms or her defined sweaty abs, and that the black girl has a big ass that looks fantastic in the suit
Black Panther 2 was a good movie with emotional stakes and a coherent story and a good villain.
The Marvels was one big shitpost that was good for what it was, but not what normies wanted at this point in the MCU.
>Black Panther 2 was a good movie with emotional stakes and a coherent story and a good villain.
was it though? seemed like they bent over backwards to try and make it work, ran out of ideas and checked boxes to me. Similarly, idk if Angela Bassett just wanted out but killing off the only other member of the royal family people actually liked seemed like overkill when half the movie is already a funeral to T'Challa. I'd have much rather seen an organic continuation of the first movie's story.
90% of the pathos of that movie is because Chadwick Bozeman died of cancer, not because it was well acted or written. The villain and plot were likewise fricking moronic.
BP2 was great though
Digitally removed bulge man and his great story about wanting to kill people because they might find out they exist and Riri Williams building a macguffin tracker was not great.
it wasn't
Apologize to Angela Bassett.
I'm sorry she had to act in such a bad movie.
People is getting sick of third wave feminism and its anti straight male message.
This. It has no place in Male Power Fantasy that is the superhero genre.
its about fricking time
Girls don't frick with superheroes like that. The vast majority don't fantasize about being a part of national defense or the thrill of facing down superior opposition. So you lighten the plot and try to fill it out with shit that girls like. And big surprise: it still fricked up. Why? Because Girl Power does not mesh with Male Power Fantasy. This was basically a G-rated movie with Marvel paint. The women are never in any real fricking danger, there's no "overcoming" themselves. It's just a "Oh, I have all the power here let me be in a position to stop the bad guy. OK I did it. End movie." It's brainless. Listless. Passionless. And the source material itself is garbage. No one likes or wants to keep Carol as Captain Marvel. No one will remember her run. No one will go "Oh my god that Captain Marvel issue where Carol--" no. Because the SOURCE MATERIAL IS FRICKED.
Carol isn't likable. The only thing she brings to the Avenger formula is "I am a girl. I am strong." And if can contradiction occurs then the character just frowns and doubles down. "STRONGEST AVENGER. I AM. HURR. MARVEL'S MOST POPULAR. IF MY BOOKS BOOKS SPREAD THIS FALSEHOOD IT WILL BECOME TRUTH." And it just doesn't, man.
Kamala is a fricking non-factor. WandaVision did Monica no fricking favors. And OH MY GOD I don't GIVE A FRICK ABOUT MONICA RAMBEAU OR THE CONNECTION WITH HER DAUGHTER. It's the one god damn motherfricking thing they have pushing with this character like it's going to mean something. MEN DON'T CARE ABOUT SINGLE MOMS MAKING CONNECTIONS WITH BASTARD DAUGHTERS. BECAUSE GIRL POWER =/ MALE POWER FANTASY.
If these three b***hes were written to be likable, fun and charming and dressed the part like the early '00s Charlie Angels movie then this movie would've been something. But no. It wasn't funny, wasn't raunchy, the actresses save for Brie can't do any fricking stunts [seriously Iman looked like a fat fricking tub of lard sliding across the floor for a "dropkick"] and the action sucks dick.
>seriously Iman looked like a fat fricking tub of lard sliding across the floor for a "dropkick"
She's definitely too doughy to make anything look appealing..
It turns out you can't build a film franchise on a character whose most interesting trait is having a pet cat that's actually an alien.
Shocking, I know.
Yeah. In fact, it makes people want a movie about the alien cat instead.
The frick it does. I have the internet for cat videos I don't need to pay to see that forced flerken shit.
The duality of anon.
You're right. I want a movie about a lovecraftian space cat. I have all this ticket money for any studio that makes one but I guess it'll just sit here collecting dust.
>Marketing teased that there'd be a bunch of cats
>Cats were barely in the movie
Some failures are completely deserved
That shit was fricking bizarre.
I'm still surprised the first one reached such quantity.
it was riding on the Avengers Endgame hype it
There is ZERO interest in superhero films anymore. NONE of the movies this DECADE have been all that successful and most of them have lost MASSIVE amount of money.
The fad is OVER and it has been for YEARS.
They blew their final load with NWH, which wasn't even a good movie but the nostalgia made normalgays go en masse.
No one believes you
>Let's appeal to women with capeshit
Turns out women have never cared about comics. Shocking I know.
The only capeshit movie to have a majority female audience was the first Wonder Woman. Ladies got their novelty and then checked out.
Man frick if I know, at this point I'm only following the MCU because I want Dr. Strange to have that proper salty runback with Dormammu now that Clea is a thing.
Frick Carol, frick Shuri, I just want ONE proper over the top comic-tier cosmic showdown now the MCU has pulled that "magic is just sufficiently advanced science" stick out of it's ass and embraced the mystic arts.
They had a chance to reinvent Carol and actually make her a likeable relatable character like they did with the Guardians of the Galaxy. Instead they fricked it all up by making her a b***hy “girl boss”.
She's not girl-bossy in this film you haven't seen; she does nothing in this movie but mope and allow her co-stars to advance their character arcs (just a little bit).
Villain is a boring nothingburger. She's even less interesting than the boring Ronan, which she is just another version of. Her "powers" are boring, her plot is Spaceballs, and her threat to wipe out all of Earth is over-the-top for a girly buddy film.
Movie does absolutely nothing with the Kree, which should have been the entire point of a Captain Marvel 2 flick.
In both movies she faces pathetic villains and spaceships, which isn't compelling when they've set her up to be more powerful than Odin.
>she faces pathetic villains
That's a common problem of all female heroes.
They don't want anyone to feel like a genuine danger or outshine them in any way, so they make all villains weak and pathetic or just outright forgettable. That's why female heroes will always be shit.
Not only is angry Kree girl a boring villain with dumb motivations and a backstory that makes zero sense, but she's poorly acted, her costume is fricking awful, her stupid gold tooth makes it look like she has a giant gap in her teeth. The entire fricking concept was so poorly executed that it never should have fricking happened.
Okay so, when they swapped places they kept their clothes. But when the black one and Kamala swapped the first time, Kamala ended up in the space suit? Shouldn't the space suit have gone, leaving Kamala floating in the vacuum of space?
All of them should've been stripped completely naked.
It counts as a vehicle.
1. At no point in the MCU do stargates have this irresistible black-hole pull to them, until they suddenly do for plot raisins.
2. Hala hasn't lost it's atmosphere, it's just tainted, people go out with filter masks on. So how does opening a portal from Skrullworld to Hala "suck" the atmosphere away? And if you DO add Skrullworld's atmosphere to Hala's, how does that not create a massively destructive mega-storm?
3. Even more so for the cataclysm of sky-dumping a water-worlds ocean on to Hala in a matter of minutes/hours.
4. They never get into how this would work with Earth's Sun, because how could it even?
5. How the frick do you wreck your Sun in a civil war? Did they fight on the Sun? In who's interest would it be in a civil war to bomb the Sun? What possible make-believe weapons could do this?
5. Captain Marvel and her god-powers fights this Kree nobody who can absorb her energy in stupid fist-fights/energy blast fights. Why? b***h cannot fly, just fly through her spaceship and send her plunging to her death. She has multiple opportunities to do this. It's practically Captain Marvel's signature move. She's a fighter pilot, downing her plane should be her FIRST resort.
Captain Marvel wasn't well received.
But my hecking billion dollarinos
As others have pointed out, the only reason the first one did as "well" as it did was because they sandwiched it between the 2 biggest cinematic events of a generation and pretended it was required reading.
The numbers that The Marvels got is generally what the first one would have on it's own merit. Basically no one likes the character.
Literally no one was interested and went to unironically watch it in the theaters. I watched it ironically.
captain marvel was the first to burn the normie audience. not that there weren't bad mcu movies, but they even retconed the "look how much smarter than the stupid comics" iron man 3 twist. captain marvel was a bad movie, with a bad actress, that came in and messed up the timeline and the character was hyped up as the new face of the mcu and the most powerful. then, they tricked the audience that it was necessary for endgame. now, with the general down swing in interest after the whole infinity saga and the failure to fix any of the problems with the character, it's obviously going to fall flat.