What value do women provide to comics and cartoons?
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Ask Ann Nocenti or Louise Simonson
2 of the paltry handful of examples present within the industry.
>I'm a normie
Yes, yes you are.
I don't think a normie would even know who those two writers were
I honestly don't like Ann Nocenti's comics.
that's fair she's a writer who doesn't know the meaning of the word suitable and her preferred writing style is hitting the characters and reader with a Sledgehammer saying "DO YOU GET IT!!" over and over again.
I still enjoyed her Daredevil though
Yeah. She's not bad, but there's something special missing from her work.
>the meaning of the word suitable
You mean subtle?
I think the issue is that at her worst she's still a vastly better writer than a lot of modern-day writers, male, female, etc
Rachel Pollack was still miles better (despite never being a woman).
On crediting female writers, Devin Grayson is low key the most influential Batman Family writer of the past 30 years.
libshit always crying about nepobaby but when its on their side homosexual all silent now
Why do women always side with the powers that be against their own family?
And wannabe women, too
Wannabe women (trannies) have fundamentally posited the will because they’ve reduced the literal ESSENCE of what we are to a series of superficial assumptions about what we think the other is. It would be fascinating if it wasn’t so sad
>sharty homosexualry
I hate abortion btw
Hot girl looks like she fears she's going to be fat girl's next meal.
That this...thing is allowed to feel superior to anyone else is disgusting
She very likely invented some internal logic explaining why no guy has shit to do with her is because they are all incels. And she also gets to excuse her having an angry insulting personality that equally turns people away as claiming they were all jealous mean incels that just plain hate women.
I want the thin girl to stand on my face
Silence hole
>And yet you participate.
Acting on your principles includes sending messages and making posts, even from your iPhone. Especially when it's a complaint about a product you haven't bought and information you just received. Martin Luther made a post that created a historic break from Catholicism. The idea that sending messages through the tools of time makes you a hypocrite is incredibly brainlet. It's a funny meme in your support group, outside of it, it doesn't work.
I’m sure Paul Dini loves him being used in this sexist and misogynistic way of butthurt fanboy framing
It's really a comparison of talent, love or dedication vs... whatever the frick they supposedly have going for them.
Why are you butthurt, anon? What’s the issue?
>I’m sure Paul Dini loves him being used in this sexist and misogynistic way of butthurt fanboy framing
That's great and all but if women want to be in these positions they should stop doing awful work before complaining about being compared to people that don't suck at the positions they stole.
Do you actually like the game and the writing?
Bidengays vote against their own economic interests
Voicing female characters
>Harley Queen
Also go back to your containment board
The best cartoon of the last decade, and one of the most influential pieces of western animation in history, was created by a women and had a majority female cast.
thats not adventure time
Oof. RIP cartoons.
Yup, that is pretty much what happened in the last decade.
I think you mean the horse show
Cringe
Based
Pic clearly not related.
Not influential in a good way, mind you.
captain planet and daria were created in the 90s. try again
the monstress comic writer and artist answer OP's question
she-ra reboot was good
are you trying to outbait him?
let's see
captain planet and daria were created in the 90s
the she-ra reboot was good
That's not Hilda or Scavengers Reign.
>and one of the most influential pieces of western animation in history
In sending the industry to the grave faster? Then yes it is.
That's not the horse show you fricking moron. You can seethe and tell me to go to the containment board all you want but you know it's true.
You're right, but that is also why they died.
This show is just gay propaganda targeted to kids
what propaganda? what do they promote that is considered propaganda? That lesbians exist?
The Loud House was created by a man who was fired because of a woman. Your pic is wrong BTW.
I'm iffy on this because on the one hand, this shit really is just a bunch of sad, misogynistic, sexist idiots who are just mad to see women in the industry. On the other, I honestly think that a lot of women don't actually understand 'genre' fiction like superheroes and stuff so I kinda get it. I don't think that women are like, biologically, incapable of 'getting' superhero, sci-fi, fantasy, etc. A lot of good work by women will show you otherwise and you'd be surprised by how influential women were in that regard. The problem is, let's be real, with the sudden influx of 'nerd' culture like 15 years ago, suddenly a lot of women decided that they "huge" nerds despite only having maybe a casual interest in this stuff at best. I can't buy that a lot of these women have genuine passion for stuff like this. And to be fair, it's not even just women like this, there's plenty of guys like this too.
Basically, we need more women like Gail Simone and less tumblrinas.
Granted we just need more good, passionate writers and creators, period, but yeah.
This is what I mean. SU is a fantastic show because Rebecca Sugar is a huge anime and cartoon nerd who has a lot of love and respect for the medium and put a lot of effort and soul into her work. There's a far cry between something like this and the Captain Marvel movie or The Marvels, where Feige clearly just hired whoever just wanted a paycheck. Or something like the Birds of Prey movie.
I don't care if it's bait. Today I will remind them.
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Wow! He is a big guy
Fanservice, when done right.
They stand barely clothed in a booth and I pretend to care about what they are selling
>we need more women in comics and cartoons
Yeah actually that's
>They should all come from California and hate men
Is Sweet Baby the latest Cinemaphile boogeyman?
Boggy man? They literally on their website listed their goal is to influence and infiltrate all types of media to push their narrative and ideology.
Do they also include "And That's A Good Thing" in the end of the statement?
You know, I don't even blame these harpies so much, I don't think they're capable of knowing better. I blame the weak men in charge of business who keep hiring them. What the frick are they thinking?
It's not the thief's fault. It's the homeowner's for having doors and windows. Had his house been only walls, he would not have been robbed!
I think it's more a case of "I'm a rich guy and I'm gonna put this thieving frick who just came out of jail and openly hates my guts in charge of my bank account with no supervision, what could possibly go wrong?"
They think that if they do not give in and let them do their thing, there will be a few hundred twitter organized college students standing on their front lawn ready to cancel them.
I take it the answer is yes
No. Latest Cinemaphile boogeyman is palworld.
Said CEO of boogeyman company is one of the writers of the game you frickwit it's ltierally in OP's fricking picture and she's very open about her agenda on her own personal twitter account and her company's website also shows what their fricking goals are.
>incel incel incel
>literally SJWtwitters go to insult because everyone who hates them MUST be a le cis white male who never had a girlfriend
Genuine question why did you freaks choose this board to infest? Why this board out of the countless ones? Is it because every other board besides your own containment board /lgbt/ a.k.a /trans/ are highly aggressive in pushing you out of their spaces? I never see you people on Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile.
OP's picture is literally a straight-up lie, neither woman is credited as a screenwriter on Skwad
shut up, troony
>hurf durf I believe every random Twitter post I see
Is this supposed to prove something
that's the writing staff for Suicide Squad, which notably does not include Kim Belair, the woman on the right in the OP. I actually have no idea who the woman on the left is, she's not on Sweet Baby's LinkedIn
It's the standard, still working go to excuse that is very commonly used by important influential people, so of course they inspire everyone else to think and act the same way.
Also it has become the standard deflection from all film studios now when a movie under performs. They can always go to twitter and the series of clickbait news sources and get to work claiming the evil hordes of incels cooked up some scheme to harm the movie or cause audiences to not watch it, hurting ticket sales. They have been doing this almost a decade now.
What do they even think "incel" means?
>Hometown hero football star
>Married to the hottest woman in the county
>War hero with prestigous career
>Recently hired to be the symbol of freedom
>...nope he's an incel!
I feel like they don't know what these terms mean anymore
Boogeyman isn't the right word here. They're more the equivalent of Black Mask comics, except more coroporate, working on AA and AAA games.
And EVERY single one of them has been a complete trainwreck narratively.
>Our mission statement is we change and censor games for political reasons
Hey guys these frickers are changing and censoring games for political reasons
>Look at Cinemaphile building a straw man again
>Suicide Squad KTJL
What’s the game about, Like plot wise?
I know people are saying it’s bad on a technical/gameplay level, but what actually happens plot wise in it?
Braniac brainwashes Flash, Lantern, Batman and Supes and takes over Metropolis. Waller sends Harley, King Shark, Deadshot but black, and Boomerang to take them out. Diana is the only JL member not brainwashed.
The suicide squad basically kills the brainwashed members one by one then humiliate them (Boomerang takes his dick out and pees on Flash's corpse). Wonder Woman dies to Superman because he punches through her Kryptonite buckler shield (yup!) but because she has a vegana, the suicide squad super mourns her death.
They humiliate Batman (confirmed to be the one from the Arkham games) to lure Supes out, kill Superman, then they kill Braniac, and that's pretty much it.
Throughout the plot, characters like Penguin and Toyman make cameos and give them weapons. Luthor is also there and pretty much gives Wikipedia knowledgeable of the characters. He's whines about toxic masculinity and about how Amazons have a government without cruelty and stuff so they're better than men.
It's the typical modern feminist garbage.
Wait, Luthor whines about toxic masculinity? I could see him doing that to manipulate gullible women in particular, but with this crew of writers, I can believe he's being 100% sincere.
They've been trying that with Leah Williams on comics and whoever works on the Harley show. Guess that ain't working so well.
>It's the typical modern feminist garbage.
Weird how feminists always seem to identify with the villains more than the heroes, very strange.
They think they do, but they're not cool enough and frick up the characterization anyway.
>feminists always seem to identify with the villains more than the heroes
That's hardly just a woman thing. Villains always tend to be more based and pilled than the heroes.
>That's hardly just a woman thing. Villains always tend to be more based and pilled than the heroes.
Only if you're blind to principles and underlying unspoken rules that keep society stable. People who think heroes have childish rules and traditions are only able to think on the level of one step up. If you call someone like bane "based' It's because you are mentally incapable of thinking out why his ideology doesn't lead anywhere.
Look, if Batman raped the joker it would save literally countless lives. And yet he keeps letting him go free.
All I'm saying
But on the other hand, because of those "principles and underlying unspoken rules", people like the Joker can just be packed up and sent to Arkham instead of being given the electric chair.
Characters like Luthor and Kingpin can continue to be top dog at all times despite everyone and their grandmother knowing what they're responsible for. The heroes aren't thinking big enough if they're not actually going to solve the issues that lead to the innocents -whom they've sworn to protect- being put in harm's way or actually ending up dead.
Too high a price is asked in service of this stability, and even then it's not real stability if it leads to villains and crime popping up anyway. Maybe the answer isn't burning the whole of society down, but the League of Shadows were trying to do something about the bigger picture instead of shrugging their shoulders and sticking to mostly convenience store robbers.
Kuvira and Lotor were based. they were killed off by male writers that didn't know what the frick they were doing
what now?
Doubtful, mass conquerors only build a society after they break one down and realize why society works to kill or prevent their like from existing in the first place. Kuvira was also an utter failure. You admire expressions of power which makes you equally pathetic.
>mass conquerors break down societies
oh right, i guess that's why catholic and christian holidays are just fricking pagan holidays, and israeli holidays are are also fricking pagan holidays. no, it turns out you can't conquer cultures all the time so colonizers basically insert their own shit with old shit without actually changing anything. oh there's a fertility party after the first full moon after the vernal equinox? yeah there are several of those. you aren't special *jack off motion*
the biggest principles that matter about how societies work are economic and kuvira was depicted as failing only after her character was assassinated without evidence (like Lotor) so the writers could avoid having leftists be the winner, let alone the good guy
>oh right, i guess that's why catholic and christian holidays are just fricking pagan holidays, and israeli holidays are are also fricking pagan holidays. no, it turns out you can't conquer cultures all the time so colonizers basically insert their own shit with old shit without actually changing anything. oh there's a fertility party after the first full moon after the vernal equinox? yeah there are several of those. you aren't special *jack off motion*
>
>the biggest principles that matter about how societies work are economic and kuvira was depicted as failing only after her character was assassinated without evidence (like Lotor) so the writers could avoid having leftists be the winner, let alone the good guy
You'll note in your stupidity that you identify why those incorporations are successful and why useless purveyors of violence that you admire are not. If you think very very hard perhaps you can figure it out.
I liked LoK’s villains (except for Unalaq) but that show overall definitely needed to be better written.
you guys are literally talking about liberal tastes, not feminist ones. liberals are the capitalist who want every to focus on identity politics and not class consciousness, while simultaneously saying "you can't kill the bad guy or you're bad", which never works, there was literally a second world war about this, fascists had to be killed and put down like rabid dogs. liberals want to gaslight various people in to submission but also think they can take the high road and depict strange ass ways for problems to resolve that don't reflect anything realistic at all
>you guys are literally talking about liberal tastes, not feminist ones. liberals are the capitalist who want every to focus on identity politics and not class consciousness, while simultaneously saying "you can't kill the bad guy or you're bad", which never works, there was literally a second world war about this, fascists had to be killed and put down like rabid dogs. liberals want to gaslight various people in to submission but also think they can take the high road and depict strange ass ways for problems to resolve that don't reflect anything realistic at all
Except that isn't true until after 2008, identity politics wasn't in vogue until the poor tried to assault the rich in their fortress.
i disagree. 3rd wave feminism was just a hijacked movement of liberals blaming men and the patriarchy. at least in 2nd wave there was WAAAY more talk and discussion of marxism and class consciousness.
9/11 was an inside job but liberals had no problem with supporting wars in afghanistan and iraq, despite rampant racism against middle easterners. if the alleged 19 hijackers had been white and from europe, they would have had some kind of shitty commission in switzerland g8 meeting about "what can we do about this?!?!"
instead, brown people were blamed and liberals went right along with it. and don't forget it was clinton that signed the racist crime bill that biden wrote.
>>9/11 was an inside job but liberals had no problem with supporting wars in afghanistan and iraq, despite rampant racism against middle easterners. if the alleged 19 hijackers had been white and from europe, they would have had some kind of shitty commission in switzerland g8 meeting about "what can we do about this?!?!"
>instead, brown people were blamed and liberals went right along with it. and don't forget it was clinton that signed the racist crime bill that biden wrote.
You're equating people being ostracized and shouted down with supporting the wars. The problem is that 9/11 was a perfectly propagandized crisis (almost as if it was prepared for ahead of time). Anyone who spoke out against it had their political career destroyed, Bush spent nearly all of America's future political capital on those escapades and now no one will support America to even control the shipping lanes due to not wanting to be caught in the attempted build up of war against Iran for a certain middle eastern semitic country yet again.
>i disagree. 3rd wave feminism was just a hijacked movement of liberals blaming men and the patriarchy. at least in 2nd wave there was WAAAY more talk and discussion of marxism and class consciousness.
No. Class consciousness explicitly avoid setting those of the same class against each other, the only ones abusing this have a constant refrain of specific division, before these things were fringe and they're now being given a megaphone, connect the dots.
>anyone who spoke out against it had their political career destroyed
oprah didn't have a political career, but she made sure to shut up any audience member against the war when she brought up with her audience. is oprah a conservative darling? nope.
also bernie sanders was against the iraq war and he would have been the president in 2016 if liberal capitalists didn't cheat against him
>class consciousness avoids setting the working class against itself
yeah, that's the fricking point i was making
>useless purveyors of violence
you mean like right wing conquerors?
>you're stupid
and you have no argument. you're not even refuting what i said, you're just mindlessly responding
>you mean like right wing conquerors?
>>you're stupid
>and you have no argument. you're not even refuting what i said, you're just mindlessly responding
You refuted yourself.
meds
3rd wave feminism is now trying to be the opposite of everything the 2nd wave of the 80s and 90s was for, breaking down everything they build and throwing away all they achieved.
It's this strange mindset of always assuming everything that came before them was the evil racist bigoted bad times where all people had no rights and people were still enslaved. They always slide that scale up to 10-15 years before current year.
Feminist garbage that seems like it was written by a teenager.
Millennial writers are shit, none of them have read anything and their entire conception of planet earth comes from worthless quippy modern media.
I'm more amazed that Waller thought a shark man and three regular humans who own guns are the answer to Superman, Flash, and Green Lantern going evil.
She's a US goverment employee with a limited budget and can't rely on moralgays.
>Deadshot but black
Deadshot is played by a black guy in the Suicide Squad movie though?
So....On model?
Deadshot showed up in the previous Arkham games and he was white. They made him black because they don't give a damn.
This is just a cynical movie tie-in game so they made him black. It's not hard to understand.
given the writers entire philosophy, they clearly give a damm, and wanted him black, and wrote towards that in the dialogue.
They of course fricked it up because they're incompetent, but it wasn't a mandate or accident.
Yeah. It's writers who have final say on everything. It's not like they can't force a company to rewrite something 50 times just to prove they can. You know exactly what you're talking about dude who has never working in any entertainment industry.
I mean they didn't give a damn about being consistent with what they previously established (Deadshot being white). They wanted him black, so he's black now.
Yeah, they gave ZERO fricks about consistency.
Wasn't just writers. Was an entire consultancy firm that stepped in after the founders of rocksteady got dumped on for being shitlords. We've seen exactly their priorities and MO with the logs of Shadow Gambit development. They love this like Frank Miller loves b***hes and prostitutes. If you can show dev logs proving otherwise though, go right ahead.
Deadshot was black in the suicide squad movie. Weird you Black folk don't mention that. I know this is different, but you're ignoring obvious moves to make things like the movie. Organic web shooters in an already sloppy and irreverent game.
I don't know why they didn't just do Bloodsport from what's considered the better movie. If they were going to do it anyway at least use the sharpshooter who wasn't already in Arkham games.
blackshot
The main thing I've seen is fan boys mad that Batman dies in a game called we killing Batman today.
Have you seen any of the dialogue? It's full on Storytime of pain level. Killing batman really isn't the thing the game does wrong.
I just think it seems weird to make a game all about killing everyone's favorite heroes and being edgy about it.
The writers are from a "superheroes are facist, frick the police, BLM, Viva Che" sort of background like Black Mask, except worse than Gabby Rivera in competence.
Compared to something from Ennis, or Lobo, it's a very different feel. They really don't get the tone right at all.
I'm not mad that Batman dies. Batman's story in Arkham games has run its course. I just think the way it was done is utter shit and everyone involved should be ashamed. Not because of any fanboyism, but because it was the most shameless hackjob imaginable from the boss fight itself to the writing around it.
>Cinemaphile shills for people who despise them and their hobby
kek
The Arkham games had a shit story anyway.
>thing is bad... but past thing also bad!
Not really helping the argument here
Why would you expect anything else? Are you moronic, or crazy?
Have you played the new game? It makes Arkham knight look like it was made by Allan Moore.
Keep your shitposting in Cinemaphile form please. There's more than enough Cinemaphile panels for that.
>It makes Arkham knight look like it was made by Allan Moore.
Not enough rapes for that.
Can we make this game the main canon across all media platforms? That way these anons would at least have a real reason to cry and moan like a little b***h?
Sauce senpai
I understand the point being made, but what stops me from agreeing is
>2 of the Batman Arkham games
Which two would that be? Because there's 4 Arkham games and 3 of them have plots that range from mediocre to fundamentally bad.
Asylum and City. He left afterwards.
Advancements in technology means that they can be a colorist or maybe voice actor in ads.
Based and Disney pilled, hire woman but keep them working in the background (literally)
could you just fricking die in a drone strike and stop trying to farm this dumb site for your shitty screenshots you iranian frickwit
If comics hired horny women who actually knew how to manipulate markets and attract audiences rather than just diversity hires, they could easily use the same strats that manga uses in order to attract female audiences (and their cash).
Cinemaphile would still b***h, but at least they would have an easier time turning a profit.
Nah, the only horny women who make fun comics are Japs.
Horny white women still largely make crap.
Why the frick does reality have to mimic a /misc/ meme with unflinching accuracy? SMDH
Wendy Pini created Elfquest. I like Elfquest. It's a great comic.
I like how you can tell from the avatar of stoic white actor man is an incel.
Every single scene contains at least one line that's so bad you immediately know it was written by a woman. EVERY SINGLE SCENE.
imagine paying for Twitter
I write & draw a somewhat popular comic that's been gaining some traction and despite being almost completely anonymous fans just assume I'm a guy. I realize I could coattail some fame off of being a woman but frick you whiny b***h ass troglodytes I want respect.
Respect, if it's actually good.
Why is the modern trend now for writers to break down things, kill off characters, and ruin storylnies? Instead of writing something fun and interesting that people will like. They all rather ruin something for a theoretical audience they already decided they hate and want to anger.
It's such a bizarre way of looking at the world if you spend every waking hour raging and wanting to enrage others and being pissed off even more if you discover others are not raging enough,
>modern trend
it's been like this for almost 40 years now
>They didn't make the game star a straight white male! Why do they always attack MEEEE????
They're not, you are just an eternally angry incel consistently looking for something to be mad over.
When Sweetbaby writes straight white male characters, they do an attrocious job there too. Try again.
Can we hijack this shit bait thread and have an actual discussion on the obvious corporate scam Sweet Baby & co are? Why would massive corporations force smaller creative teams they fund to spend tens & hundreds of thousands of dollars to these literal whos just to tell them to make X character black/gay/israeli/trans/etc?
A few years ago it was some group calling itself The Frequency that went around suing small studios, or at least getting them to waste loads of time and money they did not have tied up in court, over accusations of lack of inclusion in their products.
No, Frequency used to go after small companies that had less than 50 or so employees and sue them into nothingness for not having enough minorities working there. They never paid attention to media output.
Wait hold the frick up! How did they get the money to bully people by locking them in courts like that?
Not to mention I don't see how a suit like that could fly with small companies. Larger 50+ companies sure would have a harder time explaining why they suspiciously hire one race but a group of 10 or so people could be a group of friends the circle is so small.
>Not to mention I don't see how a suit like that could fly with small companies.
In America, anyone can sue for any reason for any time. See ADA troll suits.
Frequency was just a get rich quick scam. From what I recall they used to go after companies based in Wyoming or Missouri but did business in California and brought them to court over having all white and/or male employees, or not enough minorities.
What exactly is "enough" minorities? Is there a single legal percentage or metric to abide by in California or anywhere?
Yes there is a minimum requirement for minorities in the workplace in California. But that should be for companies with a HQ in california.
Ah, but that's not the point at which you can sue. You can sue even if the minimum requirement is met.
I imagine that is why they sue in California. Much easier to get a jury that just wants to stick it to Wyoming redneck types on basic principal.
That's called tortious interference (with malice aforethought). Should be easy to shut them down with massive and continuous litigation of your own.
...which is expensive as frick, which is why they're picking on the small guys.
ONLY as it relates to Cinemaphile, anon. Not a full on rampage through Cinemaphile town.
>WHITE MEN GOOD BLACK WOMEN BAD
I see no other message here.
so every time a white male is not hired to work for some project, you guys are going to assume it's some evil plot to replace all white men everywhere?
No. Don't be such a bigoted idiot. The writing is worse than Hudlins in this game. If they had picked Gail Simone, I'd bet it would have gone better.
Also, sweet baby's objectives aren't some plot . It's litterally their mission statement.
And I'm sure you have personally played the game in full to have this intimate knowledge of what occurs in the story. As well as having actually visited the Sweet Baby homepage and read their agenda for yourself. And are definitely not repeating the other fellow incel musings spewed into this and many other threads.
>resort to ad hominem
Libtards arguing is always fun for the whole family
I played the game, but not very seriously. You can watch playthroughs, some live if you care.
As far as sweetbaby, I have played some of the other games they worked on. The before and after with Mimi for shadow tactics vs shadow gambit, shows just how much they...add to the process, but that's more Cinemaphile's department.
Do you have a followup, or are you done?
there are some pretty good lady artists out there
why do i feel like his post has an ulterior message?
I like female writers... When they're good. I don't like male writers... When they're bad. A lot of the books I read were written by women, most being great, so it astounds me that good female writers (or, hell, good writers at all) have a hard time landing big shows.
I remember when Gail Simone was pretty good. That didn't last long.
Women (even black women) COULD be good for comics and cartoons IF they could there by hardwork
too bad a lot of people get by because of diversity hires
Ramona Fandon was one of the best Comic artists and she got there by being talented not because she was a woman
Couldn't you just pull up a decent woman who made a good cartoon/comic and two reddit soibois who made some awful SJW shit and say men provide no value in the industry? You guys know non-liberal women exist, right?
ironically the Sweet Baby employee who was actually a lead scriptwriter for Suicide Squad is this guy
He seems like he would cram even more feminist agenda than any woman into whatever he was writing
Hackney, indeed
There's a term for this. Black shirt, I think? Basically, this guy wants to be on their side but also knows he's demographically "the enemy," so he has to shout the slogans louder and fight the hardest to try to prove he's "one of the good ones."
Having a vegana or something. I dunno, ask the smelly femcels who get hired for these jobs.
Why is it always fat people in Capeshit?
Hilary J Bader wrote a lot of great episodes for the DCAU https://dcau.fandom.com/wiki/Hilary_J._Bader
New writers are just universally trash regardless of their sex.
Memology is racist and sexist? Why did they get political?
>sweet baby inc
Aren't they the ones that advertise helping you increase your ESG?
>Sweet Baby Inc: We go woke, you go broke!