i can relate
a childhood friend and me, were neetos until our mid-20s, we always played games together and only leave the house to go to anime conventions, but eventually i got a job and went back to college, but my friend stayed as neet
i tried to help him but he just didn't want stop being one, besides i think he has some kind of light autism, he just wants to talk about games, and streamers, social media, and zoomer shit like that, even in his 30s
eventually i ghosted it but he is my neighbor and he keeps looking for me i just play along but i feel bad because i still consider him a friend but whatever too much text
I was in the exact same position, then one day he met a girl online from Germany and moved there to marry her. They have a kid now and her parents are rich. Meanwhile I've just dropped out of university and have no idea where my life is going.
He brought it on himself by being such a sick about it. There is a nuanced and more respectful way to ending a friendship without devastating your old friend’s feelings like he did, which made him obsessed.
he posted the same thread too many times and refused to explain how a miserable, old written awards bait about self-mutilation that no one wanted make was an awards nominated comedy
>friend of 17 years left me because my sense of humor is the same it's always been
I guess I should grow up but on the other hand I can't really help it. I am who I am.
He was too moronic to say "hey bro I'm gonna get serious with me music, so I need 8am to 11pm for practice an I'll be playing in the pub so I'll be busier, this means a lot to me" also was using his friend as a cop out for his laziness.
Pretty much. He could have still set aside some time for Padraic instead of completely cutting him off. He also just assumed Padraic wouldn't be interested in music and wouldn't want to help his friend.
"There were so many better solutions to this problem" is my issue with 90% of oscarbait. The plot hinges on characters behaving like morons to make a broader point.
They literally spoonfeed you this at multiple points in the movie, beat you over the head with it, and look at all these morons itt who completely missed it.
i refuse to believe that anyone with any braincells didn't pick up on this
i think there's more to it than just muh civil war metaphor, its more general
imo every character basically represents a facet of ireland
colm is the artists and romantics; padraic is the simple good normal people; siobhan is the intelligentsia; dominic the youth; the minor characters are obvious
imo the donkey represents innocence too and the banshee is just saying this is nothing new
everything that happens to them is directly analogous to the causes and consequences of civil war
colm is worldly and ambitious he dreams of greatness in the same way the ira wants to establish ireland on the world stage
this worldliness has built a resentment for old ireland and simple irishness but it is that irishness that really inspires the art - by severing padraic he severs his ability to even create music and the future generation's
when colm says he dreams of playing his song at padraic's funeral it's because he dreams it's the final statement on irishness but that wouldn't be fair on either of them because padraic doesn't deserve to die and then there would never be another musical expression of ireland
equally padraic relies on colm to get through struggle and just light up life
siobhan is driven away by the conflict
dominic and the youth are the ones who really suffer because of it
when the conflict finally resolves the ultimate result is the house has burned down, the brightest have fled, and the youth is dead
there are other smaller things and other very obvious things (peadar) but that's the main gist as i saw it
based break down of the subtext. I’ll admit some of this went over my head watching the movie because I’m not very knowledgeable about the Irish civil war, but this makes a lot of sense
it's just a very basic outline i don't know a huge amount about the irish civil war either but you can take it as a springboard for further interpretation
other than that, whats wrong with taking it all at face value
nothing it's still a fun story
then it's just a story of a local musician who goes mad from delusions of grandeur and blames the people around him
he finally garners the attention of other musicians through his deranged act, having always failed to have influence beyond inisherin before, and is not really as cultured as he pretends (siobhan shows him up)
in that context, colm is a fraud
to the point where he cuts off his own hand so that nobody will ever expect him to accomplish anything and uses padraic as a scapegoat for his own failure
there are always certain things meant to be read more in the immediate context of the story ie the characters etc and other things more about the analogy imo this film leans heavily towards the latter
however a good story should work on both levels if it can't stand on it's own without the analogy it's bad (see jordan peel)
farell and gleeson are always fun to watch and farell looks so perfectly irish it's comical
>when the conflict finally resolves the ultimate result is the house has burned down, the brightest have fled, and the youth is dead
and an outright statement that, even were they to rebuild the house, theyre just fated to fight this same fight over and over again, forever.
it's a cyclical thing and i also think interfighting is a very significant part of the irish personality
from my knowledge of irish history, there has never really a unified irish state of any description rather a series of local rulers but there was still always an idea of ireland as it's own entity which is quite curious
padraic saying he doesn't even see why policemen are necessary at all highlights this: does ireland need a state? it never had one before and the state only functions to abuse the youth and it's own power
to be irish is not defined by those sort of things and padraic doesn't even understand what they're fighting about seeing it as just childish and wasteful
when the banshee says she prays neither padraic nor siobhan are the ones who die it's because they are really the bedrock of ireland: padraic is the irish personality so to speak but without siobhan, who is the mind, he reduces himself to a barn animal
that said, siobhan's leaving for the mainland can be read as a disagreement with this assessment and she implores padraic to come with her
the new irish free state does bring with it new opportunities for ireland the question is does it come at the cost of what it means to be irish (padraic)
which if we look at recent irish history i think there's a strong argument to be made that yes a lot of that character has been lost
the characters abandoning the church is one part of that but i do think the film has some contempt for the church
for dominic it never offered anything but then the youth is always rebellious
i love this film i could talk about it for hours it's easily the best new film i've seen for years
it's just a very basic outline i don't know a huge amount about the irish civil war either but you can take it as a springboard for further interpretation
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nothing it's still a fun story
then it's just a story of a local musician who goes mad from delusions of grandeur and blames the people around him
he finally garners the attention of other musicians through his deranged act, having always failed to have influence beyond inisherin before, and is not really as cultured as he pretends (siobhan shows him up)
in that context, colm is a fraud
to the point where he cuts off his own hand so that nobody will ever expect him to accomplish anything and uses padraic as a scapegoat for his own failure
there are always certain things meant to be read more in the immediate context of the story ie the characters etc and other things more about the analogy imo this film leans heavily towards the latter
however a good story should work on both levels if it can't stand on it's own without the analogy it's bad (see jordan peel)
farell and gleeson are always fun to watch and farell looks so perfectly irish it's comical
it's a cyclical thing and i also think interfighting is a very significant part of the irish personality
from my knowledge of irish history, there has never really a unified irish state of any description rather a series of local rulers but there was still always an idea of ireland as it's own entity which is quite curious
padraic saying he doesn't even see why policemen are necessary at all highlights this: does ireland need a state? it never had one before and the state only functions to abuse the youth and it's own power
to be irish is not defined by those sort of things and padraic doesn't even understand what they're fighting about seeing it as just childish and wasteful
when the banshee says she prays neither padraic nor siobhan are the ones who die it's because they are really the bedrock of ireland: padraic is the irish personality so to speak but without siobhan, who is the mind, he reduces himself to a barn animal
that said, siobhan's leaving for the mainland can be read as a disagreement with this assessment and she implores padraic to come with her
the new irish free state does bring with it new opportunities for ireland the question is does it come at the cost of what it means to be irish (padraic)
which if we look at recent irish history i think there's a strong argument to be made that yes a lot of that character has been lost
the characters abandoning the church is one part of that but i do think the film has some contempt for the church
for dominic it never offered anything but then the youth is always rebellious
i love this film i could talk about it for hours it's easily the best new film i've seen for years
based aho girl poster, you gave me a lot to think about.
thanks it's nice to know that i'm not totally off base
you could suppose that padraic is literally stifling colm i mean he does burn down his house, send away his students, and drive him to self mutilation
padraic isn't a counter revolutionary he is simply apathetic to anything beyond daily life ie the lumpen
however in the context of the story that really doesn't make much sense - colm has as much time as it takes padraic to do his job to create music and he could quite easily avoid him if he really wanted to
moreover he has ample time to listen to other characters prattle away: he even finds time to fraternise with the violent child molesting thug peadar
it makes much more sense in the story context that padraic is a scapegoat for his failings and i would say that (of course i would say this since i'm english) there is something of an inferiority and victim complex to the irish
colm blames the complacent simple padraic for his own failure to achieve greatness just as revolutionaries resented lumpen pacifists and fraternised with thugs who didn't care what side they were fighting for as long as they were fighting, which peadar almost literally says
again though i really do think that padraic is the sympathetic character and that the point is what it is to be irish can't really be fought over neither is it beholden to the rest of the world and that fighting only causes strife
as an aside and counter point, i think mrs mccormick represents irish history and there's something to be said for how the characters literally hide from her
This. Mentally ill people will often hurt the ones they love the most as a subliminal cry for help. Padraic eventually figured this out and cured Colm.
as peoples power fades from old age or disease they start to feel the world press on them more and more like a smothering blanket until even other people begin to resemble machines of their oppression, further compressing them
If anyone thinks this guy was in the wrong then you are the loser in your friendships. Cutting the losers out of my life was the best decision I ever made, my only regret is not doing it earlier.
>Don’t bother me I want to make music! >Ensures that he never plays the fiddle again just to make a point over not being bothered >Doesn’t stick to his guns anyway in the end and now he can’t make music and made his friend into a lifelong enemy
What did he mean by this?
Friendship is a nice thing to have, but if you become cynical enough, you'll realize it's a barter system, you have to have something to offer.
I've been alone most of my life, and that is one of the reasons I'm pushing myself forward, and it's working so far.
Some people are already motivated and interesting without ever having to think about it this way but I wasn't like that
It's only a barter system if you think of it as a barter system. There is give and take but it is nowhere nearly as concrete as a set of transactions. It's a natural form that arises from any relationship.
i can relate
a childhood friend and me, were neetos until our mid-20s, we always played games together and only leave the house to go to anime conventions, but eventually i got a job and went back to college, but my friend stayed as neet
i tried to help him but he just didn't want stop being one, besides i think he has some kind of light autism, he just wants to talk about games, and streamers, social media, and zoomer shit like that, even in his 30s
eventually i ghosted it but he is my neighbor and he keeps looking for me i just play along but i feel bad because i still consider him a friend but whatever too much text
You sold out man.
I was in the exact same position, then one day he met a girl online from Germany and moved there to marry her. They have a kid now and her parents are rich. Meanwhile I've just dropped out of university and have no idea where my life is going.
Shut up, b***h.
frick you kyle
frick you c**t
you're a c**t
not nice moment
ghosting is awful. Be a man and talk to him, try to be a positive factor in his life.
Man up and settle things with him
Yet you still come here? You didn't grow up, not even a bit. You're every bit as low as him, but at least he's genuine about his interests.
He brought it on himself by being such a sick about it. There is a nuanced and more respectful way to ending a friendship without devastating your old friend’s feelings like he did, which made him obsessed.
>Corduroy waist coat
So I thought this film was a futile attempt to humanise the Irish? Of course it failed but this pic makes me hate them even more.
He wasn't Nice™
Fat frick didn't have affective responsibility
he posted the same thread too many times and refused to explain how a miserable, old written awards bait about self-mutilation that no one wanted make was an awards nominated comedy
frick the irish
lowercase on purpose
I've had to cut off contact with my cousins and brother in discord. Just couldn't get any work done
>friend of 17 years left me because my sense of humor is the same it's always been
I guess I should grow up but on the other hand I can't really help it. I am who I am.
BORVOVEN
He was too moronic to say "hey bro I'm gonna get serious with me music, so I need 8am to 11pm for practice an I'll be playing in the pub so I'll be busier, this means a lot to me" also was using his friend as a cop out for his laziness.
Pretty much. He could have still set aside some time for Padraic instead of completely cutting him off. He also just assumed Padraic wouldn't be interested in music and wouldn't want to help his friend.
"There were so many better solutions to this problem" is my issue with 90% of oscarbait. The plot hinges on characters behaving like morons to make a broader point.
Characters behaving in a way that is always the smartest and most efficient to cut through a problem is not interesting film making.
>you're dull Cinemaphile
this is not a movie about people. they're reenacting the motives and fallout of the irish civil war
They literally spoonfeed you this at multiple points in the movie, beat you over the head with it, and look at all these morons itt who completely missed it.
i think there's more to it than just muh civil war metaphor, its more general
>I WALKED COLM DOHERTY ON STAGE AT THE J. J. DEVINE PUB WHO THE FECK ARE YOU???
i refuse to believe that anyone with any braincells didn't pick up on this
imo every character basically represents a facet of ireland
colm is the artists and romantics; padraic is the simple good normal people; siobhan is the intelligentsia; dominic the youth; the minor characters are obvious
imo the donkey represents innocence too and the banshee is just saying this is nothing new
everything that happens to them is directly analogous to the causes and consequences of civil war
colm is worldly and ambitious he dreams of greatness in the same way the ira wants to establish ireland on the world stage
this worldliness has built a resentment for old ireland and simple irishness but it is that irishness that really inspires the art - by severing padraic he severs his ability to even create music and the future generation's
when colm says he dreams of playing his song at padraic's funeral it's because he dreams it's the final statement on irishness but that wouldn't be fair on either of them because padraic doesn't deserve to die and then there would never be another musical expression of ireland
equally padraic relies on colm to get through struggle and just light up life
siobhan is driven away by the conflict
dominic and the youth are the ones who really suffer because of it
when the conflict finally resolves the ultimate result is the house has burned down, the brightest have fled, and the youth is dead
there are other smaller things and other very obvious things (peadar) but that's the main gist as i saw it
based break down of the subtext. I’ll admit some of this went over my head watching the movie because I’m not very knowledgeable about the Irish civil war, but this makes a lot of sense
it's just a very basic outline i don't know a huge amount about the irish civil war either but you can take it as a springboard for further interpretation
nothing it's still a fun story
then it's just a story of a local musician who goes mad from delusions of grandeur and blames the people around him
he finally garners the attention of other musicians through his deranged act, having always failed to have influence beyond inisherin before, and is not really as cultured as he pretends (siobhan shows him up)
in that context, colm is a fraud
to the point where he cuts off his own hand so that nobody will ever expect him to accomplish anything and uses padraic as a scapegoat for his own failure
there are always certain things meant to be read more in the immediate context of the story ie the characters etc and other things more about the analogy imo this film leans heavily towards the latter
however a good story should work on both levels if it can't stand on it's own without the analogy it's bad (see jordan peel)
farell and gleeson are always fun to watch and farell looks so perfectly irish it's comical
Very good analysis.
other than that, whats wrong with taking it all at face value
>when the conflict finally resolves the ultimate result is the house has burned down, the brightest have fled, and the youth is dead
and an outright statement that, even were they to rebuild the house, theyre just fated to fight this same fight over and over again, forever.
it's a cyclical thing and i also think interfighting is a very significant part of the irish personality
from my knowledge of irish history, there has never really a unified irish state of any description rather a series of local rulers but there was still always an idea of ireland as it's own entity which is quite curious
padraic saying he doesn't even see why policemen are necessary at all highlights this: does ireland need a state? it never had one before and the state only functions to abuse the youth and it's own power
to be irish is not defined by those sort of things and padraic doesn't even understand what they're fighting about seeing it as just childish and wasteful
when the banshee says she prays neither padraic nor siobhan are the ones who die it's because they are really the bedrock of ireland: padraic is the irish personality so to speak but without siobhan, who is the mind, he reduces himself to a barn animal
that said, siobhan's leaving for the mainland can be read as a disagreement with this assessment and she implores padraic to come with her
the new irish free state does bring with it new opportunities for ireland the question is does it come at the cost of what it means to be irish (padraic)
which if we look at recent irish history i think there's a strong argument to be made that yes a lot of that character has been lost
the characters abandoning the church is one part of that but i do think the film has some contempt for the church
for dominic it never offered anything but then the youth is always rebellious
i love this film i could talk about it for hours it's easily the best new film i've seen for years
thank you amigo for this analysis
i had to post just to say i enjoyed it
based aho girl poster, you gave me a lot to think about.
thanks it's nice to know that i'm not totally off base
you could suppose that padraic is literally stifling colm i mean he does burn down his house, send away his students, and drive him to self mutilation
padraic isn't a counter revolutionary he is simply apathetic to anything beyond daily life ie the lumpen
however in the context of the story that really doesn't make much sense - colm has as much time as it takes padraic to do his job to create music and he could quite easily avoid him if he really wanted to
moreover he has ample time to listen to other characters prattle away: he even finds time to fraternise with the violent child molesting thug peadar
it makes much more sense in the story context that padraic is a scapegoat for his failings and i would say that (of course i would say this since i'm english) there is something of an inferiority and victim complex to the irish
colm blames the complacent simple padraic for his own failure to achieve greatness just as revolutionaries resented lumpen pacifists and fraternised with thugs who didn't care what side they were fighting for as long as they were fighting, which peadar almost literally says
again though i really do think that padraic is the sympathetic character and that the point is what it is to be irish can't really be fought over neither is it beholden to the rest of the world and that fighting only causes strife
as an aside and counter point, i think mrs mccormick represents irish history and there's something to be said for how the characters literally hide from her
Whatever the war was about
I just don’t heckin like you anymore
Depression
This. Mentally ill people will often hurt the ones they love the most as a subliminal cry for help. Padraic eventually figured this out and cured Colm.
His mental illness was due to his worldly materialism.
>imagine what i could do if i didn't waste the 12 or so years i have left
>*writes his feckin tune in less than a week*
what a c**t
as peoples power fades from old age or disease they start to feel the world press on them more and more like a smothering blanket until even other people begin to resemble machines of their oppression, further compressing them
What a bad take.
If anyone thinks this guy was in the wrong then you are the loser in your friendships. Cutting the losers out of my life was the best decision I ever made, my only regret is not doing it earlier.
His song was bland and derivative.
>Dude wtf these people are proud of their nationality and love their country???
Americans are soulless husks
borvoven
>Don’t bother me I want to make music!
>Ensures that he never plays the fiddle again just to make a point over not being bothered
>Doesn’t stick to his guns anyway in the end and now he can’t make music and made his friend into a lifelong enemy
What did he mean by this?
OR ANY O THEM FUNNY NAME FECKERS
Friendship is a nice thing to have, but if you become cynical enough, you'll realize it's a barter system, you have to have something to offer.
I've been alone most of my life, and that is one of the reasons I'm pushing myself forward, and it's working so far.
Some people are already motivated and interesting without ever having to think about it this way but I wasn't like that
It's only a barter system if you think of it as a barter system. There is give and take but it is nowhere nearly as concrete as a set of transactions. It's a natural form that arises from any relationship.
he was Irish
Padraig was just dim
I just came here to say you are all counts.