If you took out every little bit of woke stuff from the movies, they'd still fail because the writing is just straight up poor.
You're describing a symptom of the virus but not the virus itself. The virus itself is a lack of talent resulting in people falling back on tired tropes and cliches.
No, it's because the powerful Hollywood players keep putting their friends and family into critical roles. Nepotism's the real killer.
Again, what's with you frickers thinking that symptoms are the viruses themselves?
It's all got to do with poor talent.
That other Anon was right. Nepotism has always been there. That's is not what's changed. What has changed 8svgiring people for their politics instead of hiring them on merit and talent.
Take that Director woman for the Rey movie. In no sane universe is a feminist documentary director qualified to helm a $200 million budget sci fi action Blockbuster movie. It's completely ridiculous. She was hired for her politics. That same problem has been rampant in Hollywood for the past several years and is why everything is shit.
The talent to make something good is simply not there. And it won't be there and things will not change anytime soon because those talentless people and their enablers are entrenched, with their heels dug in for the long haul.
Like people are saying Deadpool 3 will mark the moments where Marvel gets back 9n track moving forward. ...lmao no it won't. Because the same people are in place and aren't going anywhere.
That other Anon was right. Nepotism has always been there. That's is not what's changed. What has changed 8svgiring people for their politics instead of hiring them on merit and talent.
Take that Director woman for the Rey movie. In no sane universe is a feminist documentary director qualified to helm a $200 million budget sci fi action Blockbuster movie. It's completely ridiculous. She was hired for her politics. That same problem has been rampant in Hollywood for the past several years and is why everything is shit.
The talent to make something good is simply not there. And it won't be there and things will not change anytime soon because those talentless people and their enablers are entrenched, with their heels dug in for the long haul.
Like people are saying Deadpool 3 will mark the moments where Marvel gets back 9n track moving forward. ...lmao no it won't. Because the same people are in place and aren't going anywhere.
like the other anon said, wokeism is just a symptom of a bigger problem. Ultimately, the brand just became too big. The whole appeal of Marvel Studios in the beginning was that the remaining IPs would stay out of the hands of companies like Sony and Fox and be handled by people who actually knew and loved the source material. The movies would be financed by other studios but made by the creatives who were actually involved within Marvel. That's what made Iron Man stand out from movies at that time like Spider-man 3 and X-Men 3 which were received pretty poorly. It revitalized the franchise at a time when people were already experiencing super hero fatigue. And when Disney acquired Marvel they kept that formula without interfering... at least for a while anyway. Years later, it's the highest grossing franchise but now you now have Disney's finger in every pie, which leads to: >poor scripts and bad writers >constant rewrites and reshoots with tight deadlines >sacrificing quality over quantity >same predictable formula and overused tropes >forced messages of inclusion and diversity at the expense of decent storytelling >CGI and special getting worse with each project >fancasting and reusing old actors from previous franchises
Overall you end up with worse and worse movies/series despite increased budgets. The star wars sequels were shit because this happened immediately when Disney bought out the franchise. It happened more gradually with Marvel because they actually had something good going for a while
The woke mob latches on to anything that becomes popular and starts to get too high of a profile. Just like the increasing louder and louder shouts for female space Marines. They latch on, infiltrate, take over, and run it into the ground. Then it's on to the next newly most popular thing. All without a single tear being shed for the thing they just ran into the ground, because they never cared about it in the first place. It was just a tool, a vehicle. And the original fans that made the thing popular in the first place are left with a dead, lifeless husk of a thing and pissed off. And are then called manbaby CHUD for being mad about it by the ones that did the destroying.
Current Hollywood is rite with these people to it's core. Especially at Disney. Which is why there is zero hope for the MCU. There is no one left to save it
To be clear it is killing itself. They killed and retired the white male lead cast and replaced it with women and diversity. An absolute moron tier business choice.
It really is all played out. I had seen every capeshit through Endgame. Now I haven't seen The Marvels, Shazam 2, Blue Beetle or Aquaman 2.
It's all done to death and ran 8bto the ground. It's all the same and all played out with ZERO creativity. It's all simply the most cynical "content" ever now. It's literally just milk on the store shelf. There's no difference. Its why stuff like Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon is so refreshing. Like at least those movies are TRYING .
Warner Brother's top-down corporate structure. Unlike Marvel, which basically functions like it's own independent film studio, the DCEU is just one cog in WB's overall film division. Generally speaking, the buck stops with Kevin Feige at Marvel Studios (or at least it did back when they were doing well. No clue what's going on over there these days when all of Disney seems to be in complete disarray).
There was a decent article written about how big a clusterfrick the DC division at WB was during the DCEU era. I don't care enough to track it down, and I honestly don't even remember what publication wrote it, but what it basically boiled down to was that there were too many cooks in the kitchen and too many executives asking for conflicting things and nobody ever knew what the frick was going on. It was a bunch of corporate hacks trying to make their mark on each movie and everyone stepped on everyone else's toes.
Routinely destroying his movies also put a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not the biggest fan of the man, but what they did to Justice League was fricking atrocious. Not only in the sense that the man was going through an enormous personal tragedy and they took advantage of that, but the movie that they fricking came out with was so fricking bad. They literally paid tens of millions of dollars to go back and retroactively make the movie much worse. BvS director's cut was also a much better movie, but at least they released that to theaters without a global pandemic needing to happen
First mistake was not releasing the 3hr cut of BvS, and ultimately having zero faith in Snyder when in retrospect his films are the only DCEU films that are actually good
>Imagine being Han in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Gal Gadot, you frickin' fine, all sexy with your plank body and horrific egghead oval face. I would totally have sex with you, both my character and the real me." when all he really wants to do is frick literally any other girl on the beach. Like seriously imagine having to be Han and not only sit in that chair while Gal Gadot flaunts her disgusting body in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her lizard skin, and just sit there, take after take, hour after hour, while she perfected that walk. Not only having to tolerate her grotesque fricking body but her broken english as everyone on set tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, ISRAELI SUPERMODELS LOOK LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch her mannish fricking gremlin face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been watching nothing but a healthy bunch of blondes and supermodels and eye-candy extras for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in China. You've never even seen anything this fricking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on her bony non existent ass as she sways it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in her "statuesque (for that is what she calls herself)" beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for with personal trainers in the previous months. And then the director calls for another take, and you know you could kill every single person on this beach before the studio security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fricking Han. You're not going to lose your cool over this. Just bear it. Eat your snacks and bear it.
Not throwing him under the bus sooner put a bad taste in my mouth, and then they gave him his directors cut that required filming a bunch more but we will never get to see the probably pretty well finished good version of suicide squad left on the cutting room floor, and while I actually kind of liked Aquaman 2 I would love to see the pre bed shitting cut even if it's unfinished just storyboards and green screens would be fine which I doubt we ever will.
The only good scene Snyder ever made was the Martha scene.
They're course correcting now. Gunn's Superman movie and Joker 2 with Gaga actually look good and different. They will revitalize DC capeshit. Marvel, on the other hand, has absolutely nothing going for it right now. Blacktain America will flop just as hard as The Marvels and Deadpool 3 will barely squeak by with a profit
Your opinion isn't worth respect, Star Wars homosexual
The more freedom Gunn gets, the worse it will be.
Big disagree. He's got exactly what DC needs, he'll emphasize the alien fish-out-of-water element of the character, explore his adopted humanity and most importantly make the cast white-passing with a banging soundtrack. Two billion dollars minimum
Deadpool 3 may flop, I doubt it tho. If it's about Deadpool being a shitlord hopping through time being a shitlord and changing a bunch of stuff and then getting in trouble for it, it should be good/hilarious. Reynolds does a good job and Deadpool doesn't give a shit. Deadpool knows there isn't anything they can do to him to punish him.
I didn't say it would Deadpool 3 would flop, I said it would barely make a profit and I stand by that prediction. More quips and Hugh Jackman aren't going to save the MCU
I stand corrected on DP3. It won't save the MCU, the MCU can die after DP3 happens. I just want DP3 to be a fun movie. It'll be the first movie since Endgame that I have watched in a theater. Endgame was a huge let down for me.
Deadpool 3 may flop, I doubt it tho. If it's about Deadpool being a shitlord hopping through time being a shitlord and changing a bunch of stuff and then getting in trouble for it, it should be good/hilarious. Reynolds does a good job and Deadpool doesn't give a shit. Deadpool knows there isn't anything they can do to him to punish him.
Your opinion isn't worth respect, Star Wars homosexual
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Big disagree. He's got exactly what DC needs, he'll emphasize the alien fish-out-of-water element of the character, explore his adopted humanity and most importantly make the cast white-passing with a banging soundtrack. Two billion dollars minimum
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I didn't say it would Deadpool 3 would flop, I said it would barely make a profit and I stand by that prediction. More quips and Hugh Jackman aren't going to save the MCU
Is Deadpool even MCU? Feels like it's stuck in some weird limbo sort of being part of the X-menverse that died off.
>because Disney bought 20th Century Fox.
I see. That explains it. So there's a possibility now with X-men being properly integrated into the MCU timeline?
Current era Disney/Marvel does not have the physical ability to make an X-Men movie good. Fiege knows this. Which is why he will just sit 9n the up for as long as he can in hope of simply riding things out until the talent and the ability is there to not ruin it. Because once X-Men is done and destroyed they have nothing. The cubbard is truly empty. They will have to start buying videogame ip's or the next big thing after that
3 months ago
Anonymous
I would love to see Cavill as Wolverine, but I don't want Cavill being shit on by the SJW writers at Disney
3 months ago
Anonymous
The psych older brother from Stranger Things should be the next Wolverine. This seems so obvious to me its not even funny. And it's not like they're aren't looking to Stranger Things for casting choices because their next Johnny Storm is from there.
....and then queue somebody else's choice that is terrible and would totally not work for Wolverine. Like casting grown Harry Potter or some shit.
Yes, only because they are gonna use Deadpool to go back and correct mistakes that they (Disney scum) think were made in IPs they own now that they want changed. IMO
I honestly can't see an scenario where it tanks. People already love Deadpool, and it's the grand return of one of the most beloved characters in the entire industry. Even if it sucks, it'll probably break even anyway.
marvel built up slowly and DC wanted in on the multi movie universe ASAP. They didn't wait for each character to have their own movie before Justice league, they just went for it right away.
Easy, Zach Snyder. They should have given it to me where I would have begun with a Gal G Wonder Woman with Cheetah and Circe the villains and the plot is that Cheetah, mind controlled by Circe, captures Wonder Woman and takes her to Circe’s domain where Diana becomes their sex slave with copious amounts of screen time devoted to Circe and Cheetah worshipping her pits. The movie would be 3 hours long though I would record at least 48 hours of film. For scientific reasons.
Batman is the only DC hero that has succeeded on the big screen. They don't know how to make the others appealing. MCU did a good job early on adapting Iron Man, Cap and Thor. Hulk was a failure but they figured out how to integrate him into the Avengers.
Sucks that we will never see more of Batfleck. Had they done movies for him alone I think it would've done pretty well.
>Batfleck
He was perfect just like Cavill, but the scripts were a piece of shit, Snyder is an edgy moron. >Batman would be butfricked in prison if I had directed TDKR.
Yeah with Cavill too he's the perfect cast for Superman but they've never succeeded in making a Superman standalone movie that's appealing.
Also what
marvel built up slowly and DC wanted in on the multi movie universe ASAP. They didn't wait for each character to have their own movie before Justice league, they just went for it right away.
They just wanted the success of marvel so badly.
said. They didn't bother to do individual movies first. Batfleck was set up a bit but it felt like a mess only coming from the Superman movie into BvS. Marvel had a much longer build up to the team up and it paid off big time.
Killing Superman was rushed. Making a Justice League without Superman was a mistake. Although there were many mistakes, I think that much of that could have been avoided if Doomsday had not appeared in the first place.
I'm not very knowledgeable about comics but I would have done this. Have Batman not trust Superman at first, maybe they fight but then join forces against Luthor and the Joker
literally what wasn't
the main issue was WB and DC rushing it and not being patient and building the actual universe and the main characters like the mcu did
other things were bad castings, trying to adapt too much/conflicting storylines, and not having an actual vision or plan besides "lets see if it sticks"
also the movies just suck ass, no the snyder cuts were not good
I would like to add that Black Adam was a great watch in the DC. The rock was perfect for the role. The end sucked when they put a fricking cape on him.
I didn't see it personally, but my normie wife watched it with her mother and both went on and on to me about how woke it was. If bluepilled femoids were saying this, there had to be a problem
Look past that, it made me cringe in a lot of spots, but getting into the Black Adam character is what helped. He's an awesome anti hero. I do drink a lot when I watch movies so my judgement is a bit impaired.
I would like to add that Black Adam was a great watch in the DC. The rock was perfect for the role. The end sucked when they put a fricking cape on him.
In hindsight The Rock would have ruined the DCEU as well. Because he puts it 8n his contract that he can't lose. The entire universe would have been about how much of a badass the Rock is. Instead of being about...you know, the DC universe.
The DCEU failed the minute they started trying to copy Marvel instead of doing their own thing. From the jump Zack was saying trying to copy Marvel was a dead end. And look at Marvel now. They can't give tickets away for free.
marvel is failing because they're getting in their own way trying to adapt characters absolutely no one cares about, like whoever said >damn I'd love to watch a tv show about some deaf native chick played by a cripple
>eternals was a snorefest >but get a teaser on black knight >oh okay maybe there's some light at the end of the tunnel >turns out he's just gonna be some sidekick to blade
Idk if Doctor Strange is getting any more movies but I'd guess he's on the way out as well so we're seriously left with nothing. With how badly all of their shit keeps getting delayed I get the feel that they're waking up to their mistakes now but I wonder if it's possible to salvage it at this point. I don't imagine they'd be willing to drop their wokeoid mindset.
DC stuff works a lot of better when you get way beyond origin stories. They should have just jumped in head first into Justice Leauge...everyone knows who the characters are so origin stories are mostly a waste of time. The better DC stuff, like Darkside respecting Batman can never be reached if they just do origin stories over and over. Thats why the Justice League cartoon worked so well...it just was, it used all the various characters as an ensemble.
>They should have just jumped in head first into Justice Leauge...
But the main complaint people had back in the day is that you should NOT jump in head first into Justice League. People unironically believed MCU was the holy grail of storytelling, meaning you couldn't just go and make a crossover movie without each character having a solo movie first. Granted, the way WB did it isn't the right way either. I honestly believe Zack Snyder's Justice League works with or without solo movies.
Now that the DCEU is dead (literally) and the MCU is a zombie, can we talk about how people used to pretend the MCU was nothing but quality all around and only just recently realized phase 1 and 2 were highly inconsistent in quality? I remember not being able to talk badly about Marvel back in the day because the entire world would just tell you you're a hater. Now no one bats an eye if you say the Thor movies are all shit.
As always people are moronic with their tribalism.
MCU had a load of movies ranging from mediocre to bad in the mix but with it all building up to the overarching plot it made even those crappier movies feel worthwhile.
This, no one was ever pretending Dark World was some great film, or that Iron Man 2 had a serious let-down 3rd act, following Iron Man's understated final conflict.
What there was a LOT of, was DCfriends pretending that Warner Brothers and Snyder were knocking it out of the park (in everything but attendance).
It doesn't matter what you think, the consensus back in 2016 was that DC was "too dark", to the point where even WB believed it. Even fricking Deadpool joked about it. Back then people wanted Whedon stuff and nothing beyond that.
The problem is that BvS and Snyder in general are just plain shit.
They released his cut as a marketing tool and people watched even more Snyder garbage because they were memed by a bunch of israelites into thinking that it was good.
>reeee snyder
Ok but do you have any real arguments or are you just gonna keep letting him live rent free in your head? Dude retired from DC 7 years ago, let it go.
Not him, but all the awful bits in the Whedon Cut were in the Snyder Cut, plus another hour something of really boring cutting room shit, unless you are some colossal fan of the guy who played Cyborg. Oh and Steppenwolf's boss shows up in aftermarket CGI, and he's portrayed as a giant pussy. Bravo.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>all the awful bits in the Whedon Cut were in the Snyder Cut
I refuse to believe the Ukrainian family wasn't just Whedon.
Lol, wow I hate you, lol..Snyder was a great choice who had it made until Nolan left.
Snyder just needed a strong producer in the mold similar to someone like Gary kurtz, who could put together a actually decent slate that utilized characters who were worth having there own films that audiences would actually turn out to see
Nolan bailing after Man Of Steel, tsujihara meddling in everything with jonns mucking things up as well because he felt he should have been DC's kevin fiegie..well..it was a mess..shame too..snyder's Batman Vs Superman/Watchmen/ visually and thematically shits on most of The MCU films that came after phase 1 with a few notable outliers (Infinity war/Winter Solder, Black panther,and kinda Dr strange)
>Snyder just needed a strong producer in the mold similar to someone like Gary kurtz
Bless you Anon. Anshalla brofist with a cherry on top this right here. Zack with a strong talented producer with a good eye to reign him in = absolute kino
too serious and "realistic", it only work if you go all the way like in Joker
you can't just translate shitty comics to movies verbatim, you must bend reality in such a way that people would instantly understand they're watching a theater play rather than a serious "what if superheroes" story. Same way John Wick 4 was the best one after they've made the people crowd a literal background for fights without having them flee at the first shot
thor ragnarok is the best MCU movie
I agree, but the civil war was "better" not because of the movie itself per se, but because of all the setup and background they did on iron man and captain in previous movies, while I feel like ragnarok is largely self-contained and not related to previous thor movies
Even the somewhat more serious tone for the first Thor movie is way less silly than the DC grim take
3 months ago
Anonymous
how many directors/producers total did they have for DC movies?
how many for marvel?
I wonder if they just needed more talent
right
you make the more serious take if you have some kind of real world moral to present in a metaphorical way
but there just isn't any, it's all about "how to use superpowers responsibly"
3 months ago
Anonymous
Is your Caps Lock key broken or something, you fricking zoomer?
Zemo is what makes Civil War so awesome. Hela makes Ragnarok freeking awesome. I just like the conflict that Zemo creates. If it weren't for Ruffalo being Banner I may put them even. I can't stand Ruffalo.
Tony is fixated on eclipsing his old man's legacy in the first two Iron Man flicks, and is resentful towards Cap in the Avengers because of his time spent with his father in WW2.
>dude what if we fought and had random characters join sides without explaining why >dude what if quips every 2 seconds so people understand it's not even a serious fight >dude what if we end the movie by making it clear they don't actually hate each other lmao
It was garbage, and the stuff with Black Panther was unironically the best part of the movie. Not to mention it doesn't even fricking matter in the grand scheme of things, the whole ruleset the government proposes is never mentioned again, absolutely not a single thing about super hero-ing changes at all. People like to say "but it matters because the avengers weren't all together in the first place in Infinity War and that's why they lost", as if it wasn't the norm that they're never fricking together at all in any movie, or that Thor basically 1v1 Thanos and only lost because he didn't aim for the head, or that even if they had been together, Tony and Spidey would've ended in space anyway.
>dude what if quips every 2 seconds so people understand it's not even a serious fight
I don't think comic books and comic book movies are for you. God, I bet Raimi-Man set your blood to boiling, you colossal homosexual.
>noooo you don't understand, they HAVE to quip in the serious movie about the group breaking up to the point of deserting the country AAA SAVE ME WHEDONMAN
You either make a comedic movie, or you make a serious one. You don't get to undermine the fricking point of the movie by making the characters who are fighting EACH OTHER make quips while fighting.
What kind of drugs is this homosexual on? I think the fight scene at the airport is gay as hell. Wanda could have ended it before it even started and Vision could have too. I love the movie because of the Zemo character and his story. He hated powerful people and he did everything he could do to avenge his family's death.
Zemo was cool, but the ending kinda makes it feel like he didn't really accomplish much, with Cap telling Tony they're still friends and all. Not to mention Bucky killing Tony's parents is something that is NEVER addressed ever again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Bucky killing Tony's parents is something that is NEVER addressed ever again.
Bucky fricks off to Deepest Africa, and I don't think he and Tony laid eyes on each other again til the final battle vs Thanos?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly, they don't ever meet each other again. What was the point? And Bucky would've fricked off to somewhere else anyway, but whatever since THAT also doesn't matter since he's out of Africa right away for Infinity War and Endgame.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think Tony understood at the end of the final fight that Bucky wouldn't have done it if he wasn't brainwashed. That's my head cannon anyway.
>Wanda could have ended it before it even started and Vision could have too.
Wanda has, with the exception of Infinity War/Engame, been shit at fights with flaky control of her powers. Because she's just this war orphan who got experimented on. Vision is also a bit of a frick-up, his heart is just not into fighting. You might as well ignore the fact that Gi-Ant-Man could have shellacked most of them.
None of them were fighting to the death/serious harm except Panther.
You are correct, but what I was getting at is she could have used her magic to protect her side from ever being harmed in the first place. Vision could have just mind stoned everyone into oblivion... Just saying. The powers were there, they were just nerfed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody got hurt in that fight besides Rhodey (on accident from friendly fire). The Mind Stone individually didn't seem to do anything but shoot deadly lazors and make Vision a Real Boy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The powers were there, they were just nerfed.
The whole MCU is "nerfed" from the comics, because otherwise you get shit like "Sweet Dreams are Made of This" or Barry in the Flash and you have to concoct stupid stupid reasons why they just don't insta-win.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I can't think of many times in the movies where there could be an insta-win. If the heroes were more OP the villains would be, too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You missed the part where the team is still broken in Infinity War?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't, because that part barely mattered at all.
>Wanda could have ended it before it even started and Vision could have too.
Wanda has, with the exception of Infinity War/Engame, been shit at fights with flaky control of her powers. Because she's just this war orphan who got experimented on. Vision is also a bit of a frick-up, his heart is just not into fighting. You might as well ignore the fact that Gi-Ant-Man could have shellacked most of them.
None of them were fighting to the death/serious harm except Panther.
too serious and "realistic", it only work if you go all the way like in Joker
you can't just translate shitty comics to movies verbatim, you must bend reality in such a way that people would instantly understand they're watching a theater play rather than a serious "what if superheroes" story. Same way John Wick 4 was the best one after they've made the people crowd a literal background for fights without having them flee at the first shot
thor ragnarok is the best MCU movie
actually are DC comics as unfun as marvel?
As for the comics when I tapped out DC wasn't quite as bad as marvel
Even Batman doesn't need to be as grim and grounded as the (overrated but successful) Nolanverse.
But the Superfriends absolutely shouldn't attempt to be as grim and grounded.
And hiring a Director who once skimmed Watchmen and took his entire conception of superheroes from it was a serious mistake.
Snyder could have been utilized on certain projects (NOT SUPERMAN), but shouldn't have been the guy setting the tone.
So I'm watching BvS UE sober and I just noticed that in Bruce's dream the soldiers had Superman logos on their suits. Was there ever talk about doing an Injustice (such an injustice) type movie in the future?
dude that was the whole endgame, in fact the flash appears infront of bruce because he is trying to get back to a later moment in the batcave where darkseid murders Lois and Bruce could have stopped it if he knew.
the directors cut of justice league confirms this too, in fact snyder spoiled it all and showed the original outline for all the films
People knew who batman was..and the history he had with superman..they just needed a better conceit to bring him into the fold
Having a shitty lex luther kinda ruined it
This is even more insane when one considers that the early drafts of this film were actually great..yet even in those drafts..they still couldn't figure out how to approach writing lex adequatly, they wanted "lex Zuckerberg crap"early on..it litteraly kills the film because of how shitty the writing and performance is.
I was actively campaigning for Denzel Washington as Lex Luthor before they cast Zuckerberg. I still think it would have been based having Denzel as Lex. Talking down to Superman and giving him a long lecture on how the world works and doesn't need him. Then shooting him with a kryptonite bullet from a custom pistol and dragging him on the floor while still going on one of his Denzel rants.... would've been badass
A Blackman being jealous of an admittedly white Aryan God archetype from outer apace just feels culturaly false, that's a role better suited and idealized as one of those waspy corporate buttholes who'd be all hugged up with the intelligence agencies, and one of the defining characteristics of those community' is that their famously anti black, all the way diwn to the very optics, they may have a coon or two to help the agenda like John Henry irons or cyborgs dad..but those types never get close to the real reigns of power as a unwritten rule of order within that very world. And even if he was givin that sort of power hypothetically in that world(albet with a tight leash) A coonish Blackman would harbor the sort of self hate issues that would topple the whole pyramid down to its foundations.
Thus making him unfit to even rule in any effective capacity..no coon is a fit leader. a actual strong Blackman on the other hand with pride honor and self respect with any sense of free agency probably wouldn't be trying to find ways to destroy superman..whitey would though.
It's why it never feels authentic when excecs try to blackwash characters like this because his race is a vital component of his character
..it just doesn't work ,,he'll it never works when they cast blacks in roles like that.(corporate villans) Because it doesn't reflect reality enough to be sociological or even politicaly credible..it just reeks of woke white execs stoking there egos ..
as an outsider to capeshit movies, i personally felt most of the DCEU being this weird grimdark bland color made it really depressing. Also speedrunning into a justice league movie, should have slowly built up the universe and gave it time to settle in, it was such a disaster to try and make the DCEU catch up to Marvel's Avengers movies.
It has good casting though and it is funny Gunn went to dc when marvel fired him then they wanted him back. It would’ve been cool to see a real batfleck movie and if they looked better
Their first step was hiring this guy, so of course it all went downhill from there. This moron doesn't understand the characters or what makes them interesting. He reads famous storylines like TDKR or the Death of Superman and only gets some surface level understanding. He mixes them together into a huge mess; remember LOIS LANE IS THE KEY scene with Flash from BvS?
MCU is dying too. Everyone is tired of superhero movies now
Correction: Everyone is tired of woke garbage superhero movies
If you took out every little bit of woke stuff from the movies, they'd still fail because the writing is just straight up poor.
You're describing a symptom of the virus but not the virus itself. The virus itself is a lack of talent resulting in people falling back on tired tropes and cliches.
The reason for lack of talent is because they went for diversity quotas instead of hiring based on merit.
No, it's because the powerful Hollywood players keep putting their friends and family into critical roles. Nepotism's the real killer.
Again, what's with you frickers thinking that symptoms are the viruses themselves?
It's all got to do with poor talent.
That other Anon was right. Nepotism has always been there. That's is not what's changed. What has changed 8svgiring people for their politics instead of hiring them on merit and talent.
Take that Director woman for the Rey movie. In no sane universe is a feminist documentary director qualified to helm a $200 million budget sci fi action Blockbuster movie. It's completely ridiculous. She was hired for her politics. That same problem has been rampant in Hollywood for the past several years and is why everything is shit.
The talent to make something good is simply not there. And it won't be there and things will not change anytime soon because those talentless people and their enablers are entrenched, with their heels dug in for the long haul.
Like people are saying Deadpool 3 will mark the moments where Marvel gets back 9n track moving forward. ...lmao no it won't. Because the same people are in place and aren't going anywhere.
like the other anon said, wokeism is just a symptom of a bigger problem. Ultimately, the brand just became too big. The whole appeal of Marvel Studios in the beginning was that the remaining IPs would stay out of the hands of companies like Sony and Fox and be handled by people who actually knew and loved the source material. The movies would be financed by other studios but made by the creatives who were actually involved within Marvel. That's what made Iron Man stand out from movies at that time like Spider-man 3 and X-Men 3 which were received pretty poorly. It revitalized the franchise at a time when people were already experiencing super hero fatigue. And when Disney acquired Marvel they kept that formula without interfering... at least for a while anyway. Years later, it's the highest grossing franchise but now you now have Disney's finger in every pie, which leads to:
>poor scripts and bad writers
>constant rewrites and reshoots with tight deadlines
>sacrificing quality over quantity
>same predictable formula and overused tropes
>forced messages of inclusion and diversity at the expense of decent storytelling
>CGI and special getting worse with each project
>fancasting and reusing old actors from previous franchises
Overall you end up with worse and worse movies/series despite increased budgets. The star wars sequels were shit because this happened immediately when Disney bought out the franchise. It happened more gradually with Marvel because they actually had something good going for a while
The woke mob latches on to anything that becomes popular and starts to get too high of a profile. Just like the increasing louder and louder shouts for female space Marines. They latch on, infiltrate, take over, and run it into the ground. Then it's on to the next newly most popular thing. All without a single tear being shed for the thing they just ran into the ground, because they never cared about it in the first place. It was just a tool, a vehicle. And the original fans that made the thing popular in the first place are left with a dead, lifeless husk of a thing and pissed off. And are then called manbaby CHUD for being mad about it by the ones that did the destroying.
Current Hollywood is rite with these people to it's core. Especially at Disney. Which is why there is zero hope for the MCU. There is no one left to save it
To be clear it is killing itself. They killed and retired the white male lead cast and replaced it with women and diversity. An absolute moron tier business choice.
It's the 2020s, capeshit zeitgeist was over in 2019. Endgame literally ended the hypetrain for superhero movies.
It really is all played out. I had seen every capeshit through Endgame. Now I haven't seen The Marvels, Shazam 2, Blue Beetle or Aquaman 2.
It's all done to death and ran 8bto the ground. It's all the same and all played out with ZERO creativity. It's all simply the most cynical "content" ever now. It's literally just milk on the store shelf. There's no difference. Its why stuff like Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon is so refreshing. Like at least those movies are TRYING .
the problem has always been that DC has no idea what they want until they see someone else (namely Marvel here) doing it
Warner Brother's top-down corporate structure. Unlike Marvel, which basically functions like it's own independent film studio, the DCEU is just one cog in WB's overall film division. Generally speaking, the buck stops with Kevin Feige at Marvel Studios (or at least it did back when they were doing well. No clue what's going on over there these days when all of Disney seems to be in complete disarray).
There was a decent article written about how big a clusterfrick the DC division at WB was during the DCEU era. I don't care enough to track it down, and I honestly don't even remember what publication wrote it, but what it basically boiled down to was that there were too many cooks in the kitchen and too many executives asking for conflicting things and nobody ever knew what the frick was going on. It was a bunch of corporate hacks trying to make their mark on each movie and everyone stepped on everyone else's toes.
Throwing Snyder under the bus put a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
Routinely destroying his movies also put a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not the biggest fan of the man, but what they did to Justice League was fricking atrocious. Not only in the sense that the man was going through an enormous personal tragedy and they took advantage of that, but the movie that they fricking came out with was so fricking bad. They literally paid tens of millions of dollars to go back and retroactively make the movie much worse. BvS director's cut was also a much better movie, but at least they released that to theaters without a global pandemic needing to happen
First mistake was not releasing the 3hr cut of BvS, and ultimately having zero faith in Snyder when in retrospect his films are the only DCEU films that are actually good
imagine having to pretend she's hot
Watching this right now. It's one of my favorites.
they can larp as whites all they want but they can't hide their merchant features
eh I don't see it
>Imagine being Han in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Gal Gadot, you frickin' fine, all sexy with your plank body and horrific egghead oval face. I would totally have sex with you, both my character and the real me." when all he really wants to do is frick literally any other girl on the beach. Like seriously imagine having to be Han and not only sit in that chair while Gal Gadot flaunts her disgusting body in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her lizard skin, and just sit there, take after take, hour after hour, while she perfected that walk. Not only having to tolerate her grotesque fricking body but her broken english as everyone on set tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, ISRAELI SUPERMODELS LOOK LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch her mannish fricking gremlin face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been watching nothing but a healthy bunch of blondes and supermodels and eye-candy extras for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in China. You've never even seen anything this fricking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on her bony non existent ass as she sways it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in her "statuesque (for that is what she calls herself)" beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for with personal trainers in the previous months. And then the director calls for another take, and you know you could kill every single person on this beach before the studio security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fricking Han. You're not going to lose your cool over this. Just bear it. Eat your snacks and bear it.
Not throwing him under the bus sooner put a bad taste in my mouth, and then they gave him his directors cut that required filming a bunch more but we will never get to see the probably pretty well finished good version of suicide squad left on the cutting room floor, and while I actually kind of liked Aquaman 2 I would love to see the pre bed shitting cut even if it's unfinished just storyboards and green screens would be fine which I doubt we ever will.
The only good scene Snyder ever made was the Martha scene.
it was made by morons, these are ips to sell fricking toys for children.
>B-but Batman
Shut the frick up you wanker
There are a lot of good Batman movies. Whether or not they are made to sell toys to children is irrelevant
They're course correcting now. Gunn's Superman movie and Joker 2 with Gaga actually look good and different. They will revitalize DC capeshit. Marvel, on the other hand, has absolutely nothing going for it right now. Blacktain America will flop just as hard as The Marvels and Deadpool 3 will barely squeak by with a profit
>Gunn's Superman movie and Joker 2 with Gaga actually look good and different
Your opinion isn't worth respect, Star Wars homosexual
Big disagree. He's got exactly what DC needs, he'll emphasize the alien fish-out-of-water element of the character, explore his adopted humanity and most importantly make the cast white-passing with a banging soundtrack. Two billion dollars minimum
I didn't say it would Deadpool 3 would flop, I said it would barely make a profit and I stand by that prediction. More quips and Hugh Jackman aren't going to save the MCU
I stand corrected on DP3. It won't save the MCU, the MCU can die after DP3 happens. I just want DP3 to be a fun movie. It'll be the first movie since Endgame that I have watched in a theater. Endgame was a huge let down for me.
The more freedom Gunn gets, the worse it will be.
Deadpool 3 may flop, I doubt it tho. If it's about Deadpool being a shitlord hopping through time being a shitlord and changing a bunch of stuff and then getting in trouble for it, it should be good/hilarious. Reynolds does a good job and Deadpool doesn't give a shit. Deadpool knows there isn't anything they can do to him to punish him.
Is Deadpool even MCU? Feels like it's stuck in some weird limbo sort of being part of the X-menverse that died off.
It is now that they're desperate, yes
>Is Deadpool even MCU?
Deadpool 1 and 2 aren't, they're FoX-Men. Deadpool 3 is MCU because Disney bought 20th Century Fox.
>because Disney bought 20th Century Fox.
I see. That explains it. So there's a possibility now with X-men being properly integrated into the MCU timeline?
Correct, but they already did that in Multicrap of Crapness
how a cameo of Xavier is properly integrated X-Men into the MCU?
Because the purchased 21st Century Fox right before that movie was made and Professor X is the epitome of the X-Men
That's Wolverine but Xavier is second.
A certainty. Beast is in The Marvels.
Same guy playing him or did he get recast?
You've been spoonfed enough.
Current era Disney/Marvel does not have the physical ability to make an X-Men movie good. Fiege knows this. Which is why he will just sit 9n the up for as long as he can in hope of simply riding things out until the talent and the ability is there to not ruin it. Because once X-Men is done and destroyed they have nothing. The cubbard is truly empty. They will have to start buying videogame ip's or the next big thing after that
I would love to see Cavill as Wolverine, but I don't want Cavill being shit on by the SJW writers at Disney
The psych older brother from Stranger Things should be the next Wolverine. This seems so obvious to me its not even funny. And it's not like they're aren't looking to Stranger Things for casting choices because their next Johnny Storm is from there.
....and then queue somebody else's choice that is terrible and would totally not work for Wolverine. Like casting grown Harry Potter or some shit.
>psych
psycho
Yes, only because they are gonna use Deadpool to go back and correct mistakes that they (Disney scum) think were made in IPs they own now that they want changed. IMO
>mistakes Disney thinks they made
They're gonna rewrite entire MCU so that none of the white male characters ever existed, aren't they?
They will do some frickery like that. It's leftists and israelite writers.... and Disney pandering to such a small demographic.
I honestly can't see an scenario where it tanks. People already love Deadpool, and it's the grand return of one of the most beloved characters in the entire industry. Even if it sucks, it'll probably break even anyway.
HERES THE SECRET: NO ONE CARED ABOUT ANY CINEMATIC UNIVERSE BUT THE ONE ABOUT IRON MAN TO AVENGERS END GAME.
And that's the truth of it.
marvel built up slowly and DC wanted in on the multi movie universe ASAP. They didn't wait for each character to have their own movie before Justice league, they just went for it right away.
They just wanted the success of marvel so badly.
BvS was divisive where Avengers was not.
Then Justice League was not good, and that was that.
DC tries to copy Marvel. I watched the new Aquaman last night and it was just a quipfest for 2 hours.
So was the first one. Seems pretty on brand for Mimosa's Aqua Dude
Easy, Zach Snyder. They should have given it to me where I would have begun with a Gal G Wonder Woman with Cheetah and Circe the villains and the plot is that Cheetah, mind controlled by Circe, captures Wonder Woman and takes her to Circe’s domain where Diana becomes their sex slave with copious amounts of screen time devoted to Circe and Cheetah worshipping her pits. The movie would be 3 hours long though I would record at least 48 hours of film. For scientific reasons.
Batman is the only DC hero that has succeeded on the big screen. They don't know how to make the others appealing. MCU did a good job early on adapting Iron Man, Cap and Thor. Hulk was a failure but they figured out how to integrate him into the Avengers.
Sucks that we will never see more of Batfleck. Had they done movies for him alone I think it would've done pretty well.
>Batfleck
He was perfect just like Cavill, but the scripts were a piece of shit, Snyder is an edgy moron.
>Batman would be butfricked in prison if I had directed TDKR.
Yeah with Cavill too he's the perfect cast for Superman but they've never succeeded in making a Superman standalone movie that's appealing.
Also what
said. They didn't bother to do individual movies first. Batfleck was set up a bit but it felt like a mess only coming from the Superman movie into BvS. Marvel had a much longer build up to the team up and it paid off big time.
Killing Superman was rushed. Making a Justice League without Superman was a mistake. Although there were many mistakes, I think that much of that could have been avoided if Doomsday had not appeared in the first place.
>Making a Justice League without Superman was a mistake.
Probably why they didn't do that.
7 Superman movies, only 2 of them were really bad.
Gunn's will be the third, though.
>Implying Thor has been more of a screen success than Superman.
No because the casting is mostly crap and there are only a few characters people care about.
Gunn is fricking Reddit
>Could it have been as popular as MCU?
There was a time when it was, so yeah.
so did BvS ever get a not-shit cut? if it did whats it called?
It's the Ultimate Cut. Lex Luthor is actually tolerable in this version.
I'll give that a shot
I'm not very knowledgeable about comics but I would have done this. Have Batman not trust Superman at first, maybe they fight but then join forces against Luthor and the Joker
literally what wasn't
the main issue was WB and DC rushing it and not being patient and building the actual universe and the main characters like the mcu did
other things were bad castings, trying to adapt too much/conflicting storylines, and not having an actual vision or plan besides "lets see if it sticks"
also the movies just suck ass, no the snyder cuts were not good
I would like to add that Black Adam was a great watch in the DC. The rock was perfect for the role. The end sucked when they put a fricking cape on him.
frick off pebble
I didn't see it personally, but my normie wife watched it with her mother and both went on and on to me about how woke it was. If bluepilled femoids were saying this, there had to be a problem
Look past that, it made me cringe in a lot of spots, but getting into the Black Adam character is what helped. He's an awesome anti hero. I do drink a lot when I watch movies so my judgement is a bit impaired.
In hindsight The Rock would have ruined the DCEU as well. Because he puts it 8n his contract that he can't lose. The entire universe would have been about how much of a badass the Rock is. Instead of being about...you know, the DC universe.
>he puts it 8n his contract that he can't lose.
People have been claiming this for years, yet I've never seen any proof that it's real.
Let it go Duane
It's because comic books and comic book movies are for babies.
the only good castings were Momoa and Cavill
Affleck, Miller and the zogbot (forgot her name) were a mistake
Miller is a zogbot too.... You know that right..... Right?
The DCEU failed the minute they started trying to copy Marvel instead of doing their own thing. From the jump Zack was saying trying to copy Marvel was a dead end. And look at Marvel now. They can't give tickets away for free.
marvel is failing because they're getting in their own way trying to adapt characters absolutely no one cares about, like whoever said
>damn I'd love to watch a tv show about some deaf native chick played by a cripple
It doesn't matter
Just make it good
>eternals was a snorefest
>but get a teaser on black knight
>oh okay maybe there's some light at the end of the tunnel
>turns out he's just gonna be some sidekick to blade
Idk if Doctor Strange is getting any more movies but I'd guess he's on the way out as well so we're seriously left with nothing. With how badly all of their shit keeps getting delayed I get the feel that they're waking up to their mistakes now but I wonder if it's possible to salvage it at this point. I don't imagine they'd be willing to drop their wokeoid mindset.
DC stuff works a lot of better when you get way beyond origin stories. They should have just jumped in head first into Justice Leauge...everyone knows who the characters are so origin stories are mostly a waste of time. The better DC stuff, like Darkside respecting Batman can never be reached if they just do origin stories over and over. Thats why the Justice League cartoon worked so well...it just was, it used all the various characters as an ensemble.
>They should have just jumped in head first into Justice Leauge...
But the main complaint people had back in the day is that you should NOT jump in head first into Justice League. People unironically believed MCU was the holy grail of storytelling, meaning you couldn't just go and make a crossover movie without each character having a solo movie first. Granted, the way WB did it isn't the right way either. I honestly believe Zack Snyder's Justice League works with or without solo movies.
Now that the DCEU is dead (literally) and the MCU is a zombie, can we talk about how people used to pretend the MCU was nothing but quality all around and only just recently realized phase 1 and 2 were highly inconsistent in quality? I remember not being able to talk badly about Marvel back in the day because the entire world would just tell you you're a hater. Now no one bats an eye if you say the Thor movies are all shit.
As always people are moronic with their tribalism.
MCU had a load of movies ranging from mediocre to bad in the mix but with it all building up to the overarching plot it made even those crappier movies feel worthwhile.
This, no one was ever pretending Dark World was some great film, or that Iron Man 2 had a serious let-down 3rd act, following Iron Man's understated final conflict.
What there was a LOT of, was DCfriends pretending that Warner Brothers and Snyder were knocking it out of the park (in everything but attendance).
Redditors b***hing about BvS being "too serious and dark" and not enough like Deadpool.
>NOOOOOOO I'M DARK AND SERIOUS YOU CAN'T CALL ME EDGY AND CRINGE
snyderverse is about as dark as vin diesel is
It doesn't matter what you think, the consensus back in 2016 was that DC was "too dark", to the point where even WB believed it. Even fricking Deadpool joked about it. Back then people wanted Whedon stuff and nothing beyond that.
The problem is that BvS and Snyder in general are just plain shit.
They released his cut as a marketing tool and people watched even more Snyder garbage because they were memed by a bunch of israelites into thinking that it was good.
>reeee snyder
Ok but do you have any real arguments or are you just gonna keep letting him live rent free in your head? Dude retired from DC 7 years ago, let it go.
Not him, but all the awful bits in the Whedon Cut were in the Snyder Cut, plus another hour something of really boring cutting room shit, unless you are some colossal fan of the guy who played Cyborg. Oh and Steppenwolf's boss shows up in aftermarket CGI, and he's portrayed as a giant pussy. Bravo.
>all the awful bits in the Whedon Cut were in the Snyder Cut
I refuse to believe the Ukrainian family wasn't just Whedon.
Bad brand management
Movies feel like they are done by people that don't know the characters too well and are just in for the paycheck
1.Kevin Tsujihara
2.Geoff Jonns
3.Margot Robbie
0. Snyder
Lol, wow I hate you, lol..Snyder was a great choice who had it made until Nolan left.
Snyder just needed a strong producer in the mold similar to someone like Gary kurtz, who could put together a actually decent slate that utilized characters who were worth having there own films that audiences would actually turn out to see
Nolan bailing after Man Of Steel, tsujihara meddling in everything with jonns mucking things up as well because he felt he should have been DC's kevin fiegie..well..it was a mess..shame too..snyder's Batman Vs Superman/Watchmen/ visually and thematically shits on most of The MCU films that came after phase 1 with a few notable outliers (Infinity war/Winter Solder, Black panther,and kinda Dr strange)
>Snyder just needed a strong producer in the mold similar to someone like Gary kurtz
Bless you Anon. Anshalla brofist with a cherry on top this right here. Zack with a strong talented producer with a good eye to reign him in = absolute kino
Snyder shouldn't write movies
The Joker being the most successful DCEU film is the funniest shit ever
>Joker
>DCEU
Pick one.
Maybe
too serious and "realistic", it only work if you go all the way like in Joker
you can't just translate shitty comics to movies verbatim, you must bend reality in such a way that people would instantly understand they're watching a theater play rather than a serious "what if superheroes" story. Same way John Wick 4 was the best one after they've made the people crowd a literal background for fights without having them flee at the first shot
thor ragnarok is the best MCU movie
actually are DC comics as unfun as marvel?
>thor ragnarok is the best MCU movie
Stopped reading there.
Ragnarok was great, but Civil War is was better.
I agree, but the civil war was "better" not because of the movie itself per se, but because of all the setup and background they did on iron man and captain in previous movies, while I feel like ragnarok is largely self-contained and not related to previous thor movies
Ehhh, there was just as much character setup in Banner's trauma from Age of Ultron and Thor and Loki's developing relationship from Dark World.
I guess you're right
I just like the campness in ragnarok
that's one of the best formulas for superhero movies. Certainly not the shit they pull in DC
Even the somewhat more serious tone for the first Thor movie is way less silly than the DC grim take
how many directors/producers total did they have for DC movies?
how many for marvel?
I wonder if they just needed more talent
right
you make the more serious take if you have some kind of real world moral to present in a metaphorical way
but there just isn't any, it's all about "how to use superpowers responsibly"
Is your Caps Lock key broken or something, you fricking zoomer?
meds/phoneposter
Zemo is what makes Civil War so awesome. Hela makes Ragnarok freeking awesome. I just like the conflict that Zemo creates. If it weren't for Ruffalo being Banner I may put them even. I can't stand Ruffalo.
But there's hardly any 'muh parents' in Iron Man before Civil War.
nta, and yeah its annoying but to be fair I think he assumed his parents died in an accident before he found out
Tony is fixated on eclipsing his old man's legacy in the first two Iron Man flicks, and is resentful towards Cap in the Avengers because of his time spent with his father in WW2.
>dude what if we fought and had random characters join sides without explaining why
>dude what if quips every 2 seconds so people understand it's not even a serious fight
>dude what if we end the movie by making it clear they don't actually hate each other lmao
It was garbage, and the stuff with Black Panther was unironically the best part of the movie. Not to mention it doesn't even fricking matter in the grand scheme of things, the whole ruleset the government proposes is never mentioned again, absolutely not a single thing about super hero-ing changes at all. People like to say "but it matters because the avengers weren't all together in the first place in Infinity War and that's why they lost", as if it wasn't the norm that they're never fricking together at all in any movie, or that Thor basically 1v1 Thanos and only lost because he didn't aim for the head, or that even if they had been together, Tony and Spidey would've ended in space anyway.
>dude what if quips every 2 seconds so people understand it's not even a serious fight
I don't think comic books and comic book movies are for you. God, I bet Raimi-Man set your blood to boiling, you colossal homosexual.
>noooo you don't understand, they HAVE to quip in the serious movie about the group breaking up to the point of deserting the country AAA SAVE ME WHEDONMAN
You either make a comedic movie, or you make a serious one. You don't get to undermine the fricking point of the movie by making the characters who are fighting EACH OTHER make quips while fighting.
Spider-Man is allowed to quip, he's done it since always.
What kind of drugs is this homosexual on? I think the fight scene at the airport is gay as hell. Wanda could have ended it before it even started and Vision could have too. I love the movie because of the Zemo character and his story. He hated powerful people and he did everything he could do to avenge his family's death.
Zemo was cool, but the ending kinda makes it feel like he didn't really accomplish much, with Cap telling Tony they're still friends and all. Not to mention Bucky killing Tony's parents is something that is NEVER addressed ever again.
>Bucky killing Tony's parents is something that is NEVER addressed ever again.
Bucky fricks off to Deepest Africa, and I don't think he and Tony laid eyes on each other again til the final battle vs Thanos?
Exactly, they don't ever meet each other again. What was the point? And Bucky would've fricked off to somewhere else anyway, but whatever since THAT also doesn't matter since he's out of Africa right away for Infinity War and Endgame.
I think Tony understood at the end of the final fight that Bucky wouldn't have done it if he wasn't brainwashed. That's my head cannon anyway.
You are correct, but what I was getting at is she could have used her magic to protect her side from ever being harmed in the first place. Vision could have just mind stoned everyone into oblivion... Just saying. The powers were there, they were just nerfed.
Nobody got hurt in that fight besides Rhodey (on accident from friendly fire). The Mind Stone individually didn't seem to do anything but shoot deadly lazors and make Vision a Real Boy.
>The powers were there, they were just nerfed.
The whole MCU is "nerfed" from the comics, because otherwise you get shit like "Sweet Dreams are Made of This" or Barry in the Flash and you have to concoct stupid stupid reasons why they just don't insta-win.
I can't think of many times in the movies where there could be an insta-win. If the heroes were more OP the villains would be, too.
You missed the part where the team is still broken in Infinity War?
I didn't, because that part barely mattered at all.
>Wanda could have ended it before it even started and Vision could have too.
Wanda has, with the exception of Infinity War/Engame, been shit at fights with flaky control of her powers. Because she's just this war orphan who got experimented on. Vision is also a bit of a frick-up, his heart is just not into fighting. You might as well ignore the fact that Gi-Ant-Man could have shellacked most of them.
None of them were fighting to the death/serious harm except Panther.
If you like the crowd apathy of John wick might I suggest Sakamoto Days
As for the comics when I tapped out DC wasn't quite as bad as marvel
Studio interference. Which lead to:
>shit writing
>rushing plots
>shit casting
That's a meme. You need studio input or you get Tarantino-style garbage
Even Batman doesn't need to be as grim and grounded as the (overrated but successful) Nolanverse.
But the Superfriends absolutely shouldn't attempt to be as grim and grounded.
And hiring a Director who once skimmed Watchmen and took his entire conception of superheroes from it was a serious mistake.
Snyder could have been utilized on certain projects (NOT SUPERMAN), but shouldn't have been the guy setting the tone.
Watchmen would've been 10/10 if it was just 90 minutes of Silk Spectre posing lewdly in her latex outfit.
So I'm watching BvS UE sober and I just noticed that in Bruce's dream the soldiers had Superman logos on their suits. Was there ever talk about doing an Injustice (such an injustice) type movie in the future?
dude that was the whole endgame, in fact the flash appears infront of bruce because he is trying to get back to a later moment in the batcave where darkseid murders Lois and Bruce could have stopped it if he knew.
the directors cut of justice league confirms this too, in fact snyder spoiled it all and showed the original outline for all the films
Not knowing what to do with the heroes that weren't Batman. DC is doomed
Unironically Batman. Introducing Batman so early and not giving Superman character development started the chain
Not so
How many batman films are there?
People knew who batman was..and the history he had with superman..they just needed a better conceit to bring him into the fold
Having a shitty lex luther kinda ruined it
This is even more insane when one considers that the early drafts of this film were actually great..yet even in those drafts..they still couldn't figure out how to approach writing lex adequatly, they wanted "lex Zuckerberg crap"early on..it litteraly kills the film because of how shitty the writing and performance is.
I was actively campaigning for Denzel Washington as Lex Luthor before they cast Zuckerberg. I still think it would have been based having Denzel as Lex. Talking down to Superman and giving him a long lecture on how the world works and doesn't need him. Then shooting him with a kryptonite bullet from a custom pistol and dragging him on the floor while still going on one of his Denzel rants.... would've been badass
Lex as black doesn't work
A Blackman being jealous of an admittedly white Aryan God archetype from outer apace just feels culturaly false, that's a role better suited and idealized as one of those waspy corporate buttholes who'd be all hugged up with the intelligence agencies, and one of the defining characteristics of those community' is that their famously anti black, all the way diwn to the very optics, they may have a coon or two to help the agenda like John Henry irons or cyborgs dad..but those types never get close to the real reigns of power as a unwritten rule of order within that very world. And even if he was givin that sort of power hypothetically in that world(albet with a tight leash) A coonish Blackman would harbor the sort of self hate issues that would topple the whole pyramid down to its foundations.
Thus making him unfit to even rule in any effective capacity..no coon is a fit leader. a actual strong Blackman on the other hand with pride honor and self respect with any sense of free agency probably wouldn't be trying to find ways to destroy superman..whitey would though.
It's why it never feels authentic when excecs try to blackwash characters like this because his race is a vital component of his character
..it just doesn't work ,,he'll it never works when they cast blacks in roles like that.(corporate villans) Because it doesn't reflect reality enough to be sociological or even politicaly credible..it just reeks of woke white execs stoking there egos ..
>Lex as black doesn't work
he does though
>bu-
yeah I know he isn't actually black but don't tell me as a kid you all didn't think he was lightskinned
as an outsider to capeshit movies, i personally felt most of the DCEU being this weird grimdark bland color made it really depressing. Also speedrunning into a justice league movie, should have slowly built up the universe and gave it time to settle in, it was such a disaster to try and make the DCEU catch up to Marvel's Avengers movies.
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-mortal-not-canceled-dceu-impact/
GCF
general cape fatigue
It has good casting though and it is funny Gunn went to dc when marvel fired him then they wanted him back. It would’ve been cool to see a real batfleck movie and if they looked better
Their first step was hiring this guy, so of course it all went downhill from there. This moron doesn't understand the characters or what makes them interesting. He reads famous storylines like TDKR or the Death of Superman and only gets some surface level understanding. He mixes them together into a huge mess; remember LOIS LANE IS THE KEY scene with Flash from BvS?