What was the point behind making some of the DC heroes straw conservative stereotypes in 70s?
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What was the point behind making some of the DC heroes straw conservative stereotypes in 70s?
What was the point behind making some of the DC heroes straw conservative stereotypes in 70s?
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No one acts like that
I missed this scene in the new Ezra Miller Flash movie
Yeah I didn’t watch that movie either
Thank God Bob Haney didn't write that one
What issue is this from ?
I think it's from World's Finest. Let me check
World's Finest (1941) #205
To be fair superheroes are supposed to act OOC in this story
it has always been made by left-wingers, and always consumed by more left-wingers than right-wingers.
art in general is more left wing. left-wingers have brains that focus more on creativity, right-wingers have brains that focus more on order.
the genetic blueprints that determine both will probably never die out because creativity and order are important for society.
hence, people will fight about politics forever. there is literally no solution. the only way to avoid fighting is to get people to accept the other side will exist and to stop fighting, but people are too tribal for acknowledge that. they want to fight whoever the 'other' is.
look are more mechanically-driven hobbies such as fixing cars. mostly right-wingers that are into the hobby and that make the content that caters to that hobby (car shows, car auctions, car-based youtube channels, etc.)
So basically just give up on comics XD
Don't be a hardline right cultist
why not?
Learn to draw unironically, same for any pozzed media you hate, be the change you want to see.
https://www.udemy.com/course/the-ultimate-drawing-course-beginner-to-advanced/
no, just saying that signalling like OP's picture is not going anywhere. might increase or decrease a bit, but the people that are willing to draw for a living will always be more than 50% left wing. this is how human are built
wanting to draw for a living vs. wanting to casually look at drawings is a bit different. so this mismatch will probably endure.
that being said, if anyone can order an AI to just generate whatever, the humans involve begin to matter less. so maybe I should actually rephrase, this might NOT last forever.
but, as long as humans are creating and distributing it, it WILL last forever.
This argument has never held any sort of weight, Mr. Reddit Spacer. Not only have many of the most celebrated trailblazers of fiction throughout the decades been largely right-leaning and conservative in their beliefs (Tolkien being probably one of the biggest examples), but many of the current-day artists either lie about being lefties or they choose to hide their political views because they'd be blacklisted otherwise. To say "this industry is dominated by left-wingers" when you don't even let the other side in the pool is a disingenuous argument. Not to mention none of these modern hacks are leaving lasting legacies anyway, so what does it matter if 99% of artists are X when 100% of that 99% are garbage?
the argument does, this has been proven neurologically. people that are more artistic have different brains.
this is actually pretty accepted in the scientific fields, but modern culture wants to get farther and farther away from science so they can continue blaming each other in hopes of 'change'
>or they choose to hide their political views because they'd be blacklisted otherwise
who doesn't remember the famous red scare where people with conservative views were all chased out of the entertainment industry.
They were right to have done so and didn’t finish the job
Pop art has been associated with lefties, traditional art has always been associated with conservatives
Why was Flash such a piece of shit?
Flash is right and Green Arrow's just pissy he got called out.
G.A. being liberal is also a retcon btw
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>was
>past tense
It's pronounced Tolkien, Barry.
>Tolkien Black
Black guy who is really into Middle-earth
Barry was in the right here, Oliver was talking as if "being black" was a some sort of pro for adding him onto the team, while the league should not factor race and diversity into their recruitment. granted, jefferson performed well and they would have probably invited him anyway, but for reasons not based on his skin color
>blah, blah
The point is I don't want to read comics where superheroes act like annoying buttholes and b***h about politics.
>Whew, that alien invasion was pretty tough. And having to battle the superbeastoid was no joke. But you know what is the real problem we should counter? Republicans
Him being a black guy would add much needed diversity and offer someone with a unique perspective to things to the league but leave it to a conservative like Barry to get triggered by the mention of race as if that alone was the reason to let him join.
Both of you missed the point of what I was saying
Well, the world doesn't revolve around you, bub.
You are like insects. Just buzzing around annoying me. Too bad you two don't have a lifespan of an insect Xd
Turned into anime villain for a sec. XD Sorry about that.
Welcome to the internet.
Barry chose to interpret Oliver in the most negative way possible to accuse him for doing affirmative action
Yeah, it's obvious that is written by a liberal misrepresenting what conservatives think
Oh revisionist history anon, are you saying conservatives didn’t whine about affirmative action?
at least now you try to address my point
My point being: "I don't want superheroes to be retconned into being lazily-written straw conservatives". It's simple
The only reason why you think he isn't straw Republican is because you are clearly a liberal who rarely talks to conservatives
Plus do we really need that in superhero comics? buttholes arguing about politics
OH MY GOD DID THEY JUST MAKE MY CAPESHIT POLITICAL?!?!?!?!
not "just". It was already a thing in the 70s
plus "politics" and superheroes just don't mix together well. It always ends in simplifying and infantilizing the issues. So why even do it?
Yes.
>Spot the communist.
It's not strawmanning if you quote someone's argument verbatim.
yeah conservatives would never accuse anyone of virtue signalling when thats not the case
>implying people arguing like this in real life is any better
I didn't say that
Barry is right tho
By the 70s, DC wanted to be "hip" and "with it" like Marvel was, although Stan always wanted to show both points of view.
So in an office still full of WWII vets, they gave their token hippie (Denny) free reign to write the most one-dimensional of strawmen.
>although Stan always wanted to show both points of view.
No he didn't, when Stan or other Marvel writers of the time wanted you to hate a character, they made it quite clear the bad guys were evil and the good guys were good. What this meant is that the heroes themselves never needed to be one-dimensional strawmen when arguing with the morally righteous hero because that's what the bad guys were for.
Don't really read enough old Marvel to say anything on the matter. I think they try to retcon Spiderman into being more liberal
That was pretty bad. But that's a different can of worms
Spiderman is talking about this scene in the panel.
The character cannot even be indifferent to politics nowadays
That's because you can't be a hero while being indifferent.
>always that one energy vampire in the thread
ugh
>can't even handle a difference in opinion posted anonymously
It is political because the methods in which you fight them is a statement. What led to you going after them to that point is molded by your politics and ideals. There are other methods and channels and the mainstream and law enforcement aren't encouraging people to put on masks and chase around criminals.
It isn't always as political, especially in the case of self defense, but super heroes are often patrolers looking for crime.
This. Everything is political.
It's not even a "everything is political" situation. I don't need to go into the motives and reasoning as to why this media was platformed over others, I can just let you know issues of crime and punishment, especially issues of vigilantism and bringing people to justice with your own hand, is more brazenly political.
Sure, it all exists in the context of a shallow hero fantasy, but Animal Farm being in the context of talking animal fiction doesn't make it any less political.
>shallow
The movies are different but the actual comic source material is pretty deep.
you don't have to be into political crap to fight criminals or crazy scientist let's be honest here
Depends on the political crap. Being indifferent to foreign policy or tax laws is one thing, but there are plenty of political issues that affect crime.
yeah im sure those criminals are committing crimes because theyre just evil.Plus dont you think that rich guys like Osborn and Luthor would try to influence politics?
total criminal death
>Committing crimes just because they're evil
Why are you so over dramatic about it? They might just not give a frick about the law or themselves and need to be stopped. Not every back robber is some family man just trying to get by.
Im just saying that if someone dedicates their life to fight crime theyre probably gonna care about politics that might have an influence on crime rates dont you think?
Is it' because most supervillains have actual reasons to commit crimes
superheroes also have their reasons to protect victims of crime
Everybody have their reasons to do stuff. Why a guy raped a girl? Because he was horny. It doesn't mean he shouldn't be stopped or let go after the crime
Why should he be stopped, exactly?
ok? Im gonna be honest Im really struggling to understand what kind of point youre trying to make here
That's because you're not very bright
please enlighten me then. What kind of incredible point were you trying to make by saying that heroes have reasons to fight crime after I told someone that most villains have reasons to commit crime?
Most criminals don't really have a good multi-layered philosophical reason to commit heinous crimes. It is really a television/Hollywood trope to make crime stories more interesting.
Nobody said anything about multi-layered philosophical reasons. We're talking about politics having being the cause of crime. Maybe they are poor and need the money. Also you still havent answered the question. How does this
have anything to do with the conversation and what kind of point are you trying to make given that the argument is about wether criminals have reasons to commit their crimes?
In real life most crimes are done for simple financial gain, exploiting people who are too weak or frail to fight back in any way. Using their genetic advantages (being taller, stronger) for their own gain not caring about hurting ones with less advantageous genetic traits in the process.
People like the superhero-type stories because it is about people with genetic advantages being conscious about that they gain something by pure luck and using it to protect others. Especially the one born frailer/weaker.
Superhero teaming up with the criminals would miss the point then
NTA but the topic was villains not real world criminals. In the context of the conversation, we're talking characters in works of fiction.
>yeah im sure those criminals are committing crimes because theyre just evil.
That's how supervillains typically are, yes.
Gerry Conway who's most known for his Spider-Man work wrote this issue.
Denny would handle it better probably
Nah, Denny was an butthole in the 70s who would have made Ollie 100% right. Gerry made everyone except Jefferson wrong.
>"hip" and "with it" like Marvel was
>Stan always wanted to show both points of view.
There is a reason Dikto left, because Lee wanted Spiderman to be Left wing
Proof? Or like the redditors say "Source?"
Why do you know what redditors say? And why don't you know Cinemaphile said it first which is why the word sauce gets used in the same context?
What is this? Interrogation? Can I talk to my lawyer first at least?
Only if he isn't the lawyer of the firm auditing you, the lawyer's boss.
It wasn't an argument over politics, Ditko just felt he wasn't receiving proper credit since he was plotting and drawing and Stan was just filling in the word balloons but Stan insisted on being credited as the writer. Same argument happened with Wally Wood and Jack Kirby and maybe some others. Ditko become a Randian, but Stan was just a regular liberal. There were commies coming in screeching at him and calling him as bad as Hitler every time he wrote in communists as the bad guy of the month (because Kennedy was the one who started the Vietnam war draft in the first place, but liberals would later blame Nixon for continuing it)
Most lefties are Jack Kirby-onlies when it comes to the original Marvel people
Did I stutter?
Why is it much needed?
Taking into account disfranchised people when making hiring decisions? Yes. We know for a fact that there is a lot of conscious and unconscious racism in hiring decisions. And when those policies were originally implemented it was absolutely necessary to break the systematic racism preventing people to get certain jobs. Especially when nepotism and corruption was running rampant and the jobs were given to sons of people you knew as a favour, etc.
>Especially when nepotism and corruption was running rampant and the jobs were given to sons of people you knew as a favour, etc.
We still have that. Nothing’s changed in that department.
If you had actually read the issue you'd know that Ollie was the butthole here who didn't even consider if Black Lightning would even want to be a part of the League. They all attack him without warning as a test and when they congratulate him for passing, he tells them all to frick off.
>They all attack him without warning as a test and when they congratulate him for passing, he tells them all to frick off.
lmao
Conservatives care about law and order so it makes sense.
Do you really have to be a conservative to dislike criminals? This sounds like some modern development. I feel like everybody would like to live and raise their family in low-crime neighborhood.
Irl most criminals are pretty shallow, so making them deeper doesn't necessarily make the story more realistic.
Jared Leto Joker that cares mostly about expensive suits and cars feels more realistic than chaos-loving philosopher portrayed by Heath Ledger imo. The 2nd one is more interesting I admit. But realistic? Not so much
There is definitely intraparty conflict in Dem cities with regard to handle crime but this kind of thing has been happening for decades and decades. Frank Miller in 1986 clearly coming down on one side of it.
it's like 1980s version of smuggies
This guy and jokers doctor always give me a chuckle. Remember when you could mock the republican president and shit on the average liberal in the same book?
Villains and criminals are fundamentally different. A fictious murderer who kills someone because of some complex backstory reason that justifies the act to them can be seen as a villain in context, while if the same thing happened IRL, they're just a criminal. Stories are made with these in mind and focus on these drama plot lines, not "under educated sociopath jaded and moronic on an endless cycle of never growing beyond the mentality of a child + legitimate psychological problems that may have been addressed if he grew up with a better support system, didn't get into hard drugs". The drama of a "reasonable" justification for evil acts is what makes the cut so it's pointless to bring up IRL common criminals when talking about fictional villains and heroes.
>Do you really have to be a conservative to dislike criminals?
Back then, no. These days, it seems so.
Written law and the institutions that enforce it are too often a cudgel of wealth and establishment to be trusted to uphold genuine social values be they liberal or conservative.
I have very anti-corporate and pro-social fiscal views, but in terms of social policies I lean more towards the bottom right of the compass.
If they really cared about law enforcement, they would register as a public officer. They dress in costumes as vigilantes because it is their fetish.
I feel bad for making this thread after seeing replies like these
Something about the way I wrote the OP had to attract the worst people imaginable
The OP sounded like it was a thread for only loosely related to comic books shitposting.
Wally did nothing wrong
>Look I don't put you down for being morally and intellectually correct, why attack me for being wrong and willfully ignorant?
>look, if there were more people like me in this country, you wouldn't get a vote. what's the big deal?
Comics became political as early as Clark's job being a reporter. "Muh politics in comics these days" was always a cope.
remember the moment when he, as Superman, decided to officially not weigh in on Luthor's presidential candidacy?
that is explicitly not putting politics into comics, by the proxy of superman himself not putting politics into his role as superman
Purposefully deciding not to be political is still a political act.
hmmm i mean this might just be a semantic disagreement at this point.
"Politics" was just a convenient generalization because its bad optics to dislike liberalism and diversity. You don't openly want to take a stand and admitting that there's a shallow marketing angle to your favorite media begs the question why you were ever invested to begin with and why is it this that turns you into a vocal activist. "Politics" has a generally negative connotation among centrists, so it makes you seem even handed even though you're only speaking up when there's a black female sith in Star Wars.
>its bad optics to dislike liberalism and diversity.
I wonder if it has anything to do with you morons taking an active stance against human rights while shouting the n-word over and over.
>morons taking an active stance against human right
It doesn't really mean that much, when eveything is violation of some human right according to the left
there is more politics nowadays because there is a more direct financial incentive thanks to Blackrock.
that used to not be a thing. yes, there used to be some because authors want to pander to their audiences and authors may have their own biases, but now there is a third reason.
more reasons = more of it happening
>there is more politics nowadays
More than in comics when the actual irl WW2 was going on? Lmao ok kid.
>More than in comics when the actual irl WW2 was going on? Lmao ok kid.
Remember Flash being Straw Conservative btw? That was original point of this thread XD
How come Jack Kirby never cameoed in the movies?
He died
So did Carrie Fisher
Stan was Mr Hollywood, not Jack. Stan went to LA in the 70s to pitch and produce all the marvel tv shows and tv movies.
Americans will always sacrifice themselves for africans, they will fight for africans, they worship africans
Meanwhile conservitards don't believe in anything strongly enough to sacrifice themselves.
The people who don't recognize the difference between politics in media post 2010's compared to how they used to be are lost causes. The only ones still paying are older readers already bought into the message, they missed the propaganda train with the new generation.