It makes you think that Joi was just another soulless product. Then again it also makes you think that Joi wasn't just another soulless product but someone who grew with K and became what she was. It makes you think what makes one a human.
>movie literally plasters >EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR >EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO SEE >right after billboard joi calls him the same name, and still think this scene isn't K's emotional black hole and that it somehow says anything other than his joi was programmed to validate himself, in this case with his desire to matter
Yeah people want to rationalize their emotions so they misinterpret this scene that pretty much hits you on the nose with its intent.
Joi was just a program trying to make K happy, in a way like K is just a trained attack dog trying to make his Bosses happy.
But unlike Joi K isn't just a hologram incapable to interact with the word through anything but visuals and sound, he can take action and create change so that's what he decided to do.
Of course they both call him by the same name, that is the programming. Nobody is saying that the specific Joi that K bought was special from the start. The question is whether she could've evolved to feel something toward her Joe, become more human.
disagree.
he was Average Joe and she was his very own Joy.
in a way real human beans are also programmed how and who they fall in love with.
so he might have truly loved her and she might have truly loved him. it's not for us to decide and know. their feelings, even if for us real human beans obviously being fake and "programmed", seemed to be truly genuine between them two. i.e. Joi going way beyond out of her way to pick up some hooker from the streets so they can play pretend having sex, her panicking when he crashed at the waste dump or her realising that her time has come and telling him for the last time that she loves him.
In the end Luv took away K's Joi in life.
this is how I see it and I don't care about anyone's opinion.
I don't deny he enjoyed the companionship. But I'm not sure he loved her. The scene on the roof with her in the rain and being called in by his boss and just turning off Joi there kind of signifies that she's a product still to him.
He also mentions to Luv when asked about Joi if he liked the product, he says, "she's very realistic". Implying that he knows she's not real. Also, the prostitute comments about Joi not being as complex as Joi thinks she is. So, when confronted with this big Joi advertisement he rejects it and decides to do what this anon points out
This is when K decides to go to help Deckard to prove to himself that he's a real boy.
>just turning off Joi
To me I took that as him being so programmed in his role that when called upon he literally turned off his joy in lieu of his work
also worth noting that his "low point" regarding his relationship with JOI is not getting her emitter smashed, but the interaction with the giant ad
the reminder of what he knew all along, it was never real but it was all he had
for me JOI was exposed back when she was glitching out near his car
the idea that she can "reset" like that doing the same action and not notice it herself implies she never was thinking for real
You can view that scene as K realizing that his Joi was actually entirely special and irreplaceable, how through all their interactions and K's genuine "I'm special" beliefs (which he doesn't have anymore) his Joi became special and unique to him specifically, seeing that entire scene as a mirror of Deckard meeting the fake Rachael, which is most evident by the completely black eyes of the giant Joi, where K could've easily had the same exact "I know what's real" line like Deckard did with the fake Rachael there.
Or you can view that scene like when you drive by the diner you and your ex always went to and seeing her with someone else there and she's doing that thing with her hair that she did on your first date with her there, looking at the guy like she looked at you.
Imagine how much worse the dating scene will become when shit like this becomes accepted. Women have always been avid consumers of literary erotica. Women are singlehandedly propping up the romance and YA genre nowadays due to their undying thirst for erotic literature. That and more can be provided to them now with these AI thingies. IT IS OVER
It's already accepted. It's obviously not the norm, but every time an article like this pops up it's about how empowering it is for a woman to ignore men and date a machine instead. Women are being encouraged to date AI, so these types of software will only get better as they become more widely used.
Joi are a unintended emergent sentient hivemind. While Joi are programmed to say what the costumer wants to hear, this one actually tells him what he needed to hear based on the shared data.
She pretends to not know him, acting like a product giving him canned lines, so he can forget his Joy and move on
Interesting. Joi does shape her personality around him, something a real woman wouldn't do to the degree Joi would. But he does flirt with the prostitute. He does want to like real girls, Joi wiener blocked him here.
The way Joi was whispering into his ear about being born and wanted sounded and looked almost devilish. He knows it's dangerous to have those thoughts, but she enables him. Setting him up for big disappointment, thinking he has a soul, then not.
She's a product that says what the user wants to hear. Maybe the most dangerous thing about this aspect is that the company can actively data mine users for more opportunistic advertising when they really figure out what makes the user tick. This dystopic world missed out on obvious gotchas like MTX to outfit your JOI with different outfits and accessories as one example.
I don't know if she was manipulating him. She was reinforcing the story/memory that he's told her a bunch about the horse sculpture. Only that memory wasn't really his, it was the memory makers. The memory maker didn't admit it was her memory though. So Joi assumed it was in fact his memory and played it up.
So the memory maker had been putting her memory into replicants and ended up building an army. But it was also a way to search for who made her the horse toy. He loses his shit because Joi filled his head with inaccurate information.
Or sticking with the devilishness, she has taken his soul. Then when confronted with the big advertisement he reclaims it by resisting an urge of getting another one, and opts to go save Deckard.
I saw Luv as more tragic in that she's also alienated and insecure about being "inferior" as a woman. Wallace brushes her off to continue his experiments and doesn't see replicants like her as anything more than disposable tools. Her infertility makes her lower status. When she meets K, someone who she thinks should be at the very least equal or lower status to her, he brushes off her advances too. K preferring the much lower status Joi really twists the knife inside her.
Precisely. Luv effectively sold her soul and is on the bottom rung because of it. She treats every other woman she meets like shit because she thinks it'll make her boss happy.
he saw his girlfriend die and immediately gets a soulless copy of her offered to him as a prostitute. If you didn't think this was emotionally charged, you watched the movie while playing subway surfers on your android
In the scene K figures out that it was all bullshit, that he's not a "special snowflake" and everything JOI told him was exactly what he wanted to hear based on some algorithm made by cynical corporations and their software designers.
Rule 101 of business "Give the customer exactly what they want." It's not hard to understand, and anyone who really thinks the A.I. chatbot really "loved" the android is a complete lovelorn moron who should try leaving their mother's basements once in a while.
> to give me my waifu to talk to me real time
and here is the first problem - chatbot ai is slow, and so is any AI voice synthesizer, requires a shitton of computing power to work in real-time.
also another problem is - pozzed to the hell ai models, see picrel, obviously you don't want your waifu to be an artificial redditor.
why does the mouth of the guy in the bottom (idk his name) look like a from-behind shot of a couple doing the mating press?
I mean from the thumbnail.
If you think this is weird I was kidding btw.
Is she meant to look hot here? Looks like some leftist SJW troony with black eyeball body modifications. You'd think they'd use an attractive version of her for an ad like that.
Gratuitous nudity.
It makes you think that Joi was just another soulless product. Then again it also makes you think that Joi wasn't just another soulless product but someone who grew with K and became what she was. It makes you think what makes one a human.
>movie literally plasters
>EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR
>EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO SEE
>right after billboard joi calls him the same name, and still think this scene isn't K's emotional black hole and that it somehow says anything other than his joi was programmed to validate himself, in this case with his desire to matter
Only correct answer
Yeah people want to rationalize their emotions so they misinterpret this scene that pretty much hits you on the nose with its intent.
Joi was just a program trying to make K happy, in a way like K is just a trained attack dog trying to make his Bosses happy.
But unlike Joi K isn't just a hologram incapable to interact with the word through anything but visuals and sound, he can take action and create change so that's what he decided to do.
Of course they both call him by the same name, that is the programming. Nobody is saying that the specific Joi that K bought was special from the start. The question is whether she could've evolved to feel something toward her Joe, become more human.
>What's it like to lose your virginity after a socially acceptable age? Incels
I just lie about it. Cells.
Who even asks that? I was never asked about it.
what's socially acceptable? In any case
and also lie about my number of partners. Cells
Incels
I am with incels interlinked every time I post on this board
I wouldn't know sir, with incels interlinked
>Within Incels Interlinked
>Does Cinemaphile feels like a cell?
>Incel
>Implying I lost my virginity
Incels.
incels interlinked
Very disappointing, I wish I was still a pure and uncorrupted
to suffer
also checked
literally me fr fr no cap
it’s weird and heart-wrenching and feels wrong. same as all scenes with the robo gf.
>Big advertisement
>You look like a good Joe
To crush his "soul". A reminder that his joi was a product and her naming him Joe wasn't something genuine, but programmed. Or something like that.
disagree.
he was Average Joe and she was his very own Joy.
in a way real human beans are also programmed how and who they fall in love with.
so he might have truly loved her and she might have truly loved him. it's not for us to decide and know. their feelings, even if for us real human beans obviously being fake and "programmed", seemed to be truly genuine between them two. i.e. Joi going way beyond out of her way to pick up some hooker from the streets so they can play pretend having sex, her panicking when he crashed at the waste dump or her realising that her time has come and telling him for the last time that she loves him.
In the end Luv took away K's Joi in life.
this is how I see it and I don't care about anyone's opinion.
I don't deny he enjoyed the companionship. But I'm not sure he loved her. The scene on the roof with her in the rain and being called in by his boss and just turning off Joi there kind of signifies that she's a product still to him.
He also mentions to Luv when asked about Joi if he liked the product, he says, "she's very realistic". Implying that he knows she's not real. Also, the prostitute comments about Joi not being as complex as Joi thinks she is. So, when confronted with this big Joi advertisement he rejects it and decides to do what this anon points out
>just turning off Joi
To me I took that as him being so programmed in his role that when called upon he literally turned off his joy in lieu of his work
also worth noting that his "low point" regarding his relationship with JOI is not getting her emitter smashed, but the interaction with the giant ad
the reminder of what he knew all along, it was never real but it was all he had
for me JOI was exposed back when she was glitching out near his car
the idea that she can "reset" like that doing the same action and not notice it herself implies she never was thinking for real
Your waifu isn’t real.
Imagine resting on Ana's breast that's as large as a bed.
Giantess fetish pandering.
he looked like he was lonely
This is when K decides to go to help Deckard to prove to himself that he's a real boy.
I am so sick of you bots. You always recycle the same goddamn questions:
What the point?
What was his endgame?
What did he mean by this?
How did it fail?
You're not even ChatGPT -- you're just coded with random phrases and images that you remix with crappy, pointless questions like this.
Someone purge the system.
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP DISCUSSING THINGS
You forgot
>Now that the dust settled...
>What the FRICK was his/her problem?
But that's just how people on Cinemaphile talk
>"Talk"
Like a trained parrot spouting phrases over and over cause it gets a reaction
It's no longer about conversation but engagement, like some ad robot gone rogue and all it does is try to antagonize/annoy people into responding.
Anyone who does this as a hobby doesn't get to call themselves human.
Most threads get pruned after 0-5 replies so why should we bother with an essay in the OP?
ok anon post that great list of tv phrases
You can view that scene as K realizing that his Joi was actually entirely special and irreplaceable, how through all their interactions and K's genuine "I'm special" beliefs (which he doesn't have anymore) his Joi became special and unique to him specifically, seeing that entire scene as a mirror of Deckard meeting the fake Rachael, which is most evident by the completely black eyes of the giant Joi, where K could've easily had the same exact "I know what's real" line like Deckard did with the fake Rachael there.
Or you can view that scene like when you drive by the diner you and your ex always went to and seeing her with someone else there and she's doing that thing with her hair that she did on your first date with her there, looking at the guy like she looked at you.
Jesus christ it's called a period, you stupid frick.
I don't think they'd program mensuration into an AI holograph anon.
Cheep
I should give this another rewatch. I saw this in theatres and that was pretty awesome. Especially the OST.
same, haven't rewatched it since then
I'll make a thread later tonight on it
Eh, threads still going. I've just started it up. Bamp.
>Luv destroys the Joi in (Joe(seph)) K's life
PURE
AND UNADULTERATED
P O T T E R Y
joi equivalent when?
i cant stand it anymore bros
Gpt5 or 6, we simply need long term memory. Graphics and virtual humans are there with unreal engine 5.
Women already have their own.
Imagine how much worse the dating scene will become when shit like this becomes accepted. Women have always been avid consumers of literary erotica. Women are singlehandedly propping up the romance and YA genre nowadays due to their undying thirst for erotic literature. That and more can be provided to them now with these AI thingies. IT IS OVER
It's already accepted. It's obviously not the norm, but every time an article like this pops up it's about how empowering it is for a woman to ignore men and date a machine instead. Women are being encouraged to date AI, so these types of software will only get better as they become more widely used.
Clown gfs are the ultimate colorism, where the frick is the Vox article calling them racist?
Joi are a unintended emergent sentient hivemind. While Joi are programmed to say what the costumer wants to hear, this one actually tells him what he needed to hear based on the shared data.
She pretends to not know him, acting like a product giving him canned lines, so he can forget his Joy and move on
Most interesting cope I've heard yet.
Joi feeds him random information about background song, sounds very AI-ish
Wanted to read a book, he says doesn't like that book and she tosses it saying "me neither," changing her tune in the spot.
>I'm so happy when I'm with you.
>You don't have to say that.
She's too eager to please, perhaps. Or it comes off as too artificial.
>You don't like real girls
Interesting. Joi does shape her personality around him, something a real woman wouldn't do to the degree Joi would. But he does flirt with the prostitute. He does want to like real girls, Joi wiener blocked him here.
Joi takes that info and arranges the prostitute to come, but only as long as she has control.
They made it for me… you just wouldn’t get it
The way Joi was whispering into his ear about being born and wanted sounded and looked almost devilish. He knows it's dangerous to have those thoughts, but she enables him. Setting him up for big disappointment, thinking he has a soul, then not.
>To be born is to have a soul
She's a product that says what the user wants to hear. Maybe the most dangerous thing about this aspect is that the company can actively data mine users for more opportunistic advertising when they really figure out what makes the user tick. This dystopic world missed out on obvious gotchas like MTX to outfit your JOI with different outfits and accessories as one example.
>This dystopic world missed out on obvious gotchas like MTX to outfit your JOI with different outfits
It just seems so devilish. The way she hangs off him. The whispering. The saying things he wants, but shouldn't want to hear. Dangerous things.
isnt that the point though, that they used his Joi to help manipulate him
I don't know if she was manipulating him. She was reinforcing the story/memory that he's told her a bunch about the horse sculpture. Only that memory wasn't really his, it was the memory makers. The memory maker didn't admit it was her memory though. So Joi assumed it was in fact his memory and played it up.
She has ZERO agenda that isn't based on K.
That's the point of her, she is basically a narrator of Ks inner monolog.
No K is manipulating himself through her.
She just tells him what he wants to be true.
so the writers definitely knew that JOI stands for "jerk off instructions" right?
So the memory maker had been putting her memory into replicants and ended up building an army. But it was also a way to search for who made her the horse toy. He loses his shit because Joi filled his head with inaccurate information.
>I want to be real for you.
>You are real for me.
She gave him a soul, sort of.
Or sticking with the devilishness, she has taken his soul. Then when confronted with the big advertisement he reclaims it by resisting an urge of getting another one, and opts to go save Deckard.
Interesting how Luv admits she could lie to Mr. Wallace when confronting Madam.
>I'm going to tell him you attacked me first
It's like Luv wants replicants to be able to reproduce.
>In the face of the fabulous new you want to destroy it.
She sees herself and her kind as better ultimately.
I saw Luv as more tragic in that she's also alienated and insecure about being "inferior" as a woman. Wallace brushes her off to continue his experiments and doesn't see replicants like her as anything more than disposable tools. Her infertility makes her lower status. When she meets K, someone who she thinks should be at the very least equal or lower status to her, he brushes off her advances too. K preferring the much lower status Joi really twists the knife inside her.
I agree, the look of satisfaction as Luv crushed Joi sells that.
Precisely. Luv effectively sold her soul and is on the bottom rung because of it. She treats every other woman she meets like shit because she thinks it'll make her boss happy.
Big advertisement tempts him.
>Hello handsome.
Black eyes, says whatever one wants to hear. She really is the devil. Rejects the devil, and agrees with the underground replicants
>Dying for the right cause is the most human thing one can do.
he saw his girlfriend die and immediately gets a soulless copy of her offered to him as a prostitute. If you didn't think this was emotionally charged, you watched the movie while playing subway surfers on your android
>on your android
I'm not a poojeet so no.
In this scene the main character learns about women.
Remember in Invisible War when you'd go to an
NG Resonance kiosk and it'd be sweet and then you met the real one and she was a total twat?
Not sure many anons here played Dude Sex IW
I remember. That shit was great. IW was a very under rated game.
>im bud puckett. Remember me?
it's right there, anon.
She's pointing and laughing at him because he's a good Jo(K)e?
AGENT K= KEN
reminder she is not even there everyone in those times are brain chipped and they hallucinate all these things
I thought it was pretty clear
Why does she have full black eyes though?
that's how all women look without makeup
You really don’t get the imagery there?
K gets completely blackpilled and decides to an hero
That everything digital or non-digital women say is a lie.
In the scene K figures out that it was all bullshit, that he's not a "special snowflake" and everything JOI told him was exactly what he wanted to hear based on some algorithm made by cynical corporations and their software designers.
Rule 101 of business "Give the customer exactly what they want." It's not hard to understand, and anyone who really thinks the A.I. chatbot really "loved" the android is a complete lovelorn moron who should try leaving their mother's basements once in a while.
>watch movie with normie friends
>them: "lol imagine falling in love with a construct and not a real woman"
>me: "haha y-yeah, lol..."
>demonic possession black soulless eyes
>vr goggles exist
>chatgpt exists
>deepfakes exist
>voice synthesizers exist
Is there anything that combines all these to give me my waifu to talk to me real time?
very soon anon
we are on the precipice
The biggest issue is unironically social taboo.
ice cream yum
so hot
> to give me my waifu to talk to me real time
and here is the first problem - chatbot ai is slow, and so is any AI voice synthesizer, requires a shitton of computing power to work in real-time.
also another problem is - pozzed to the hell ai models, see picrel, obviously you don't want your waifu to be an artificial redditor.
Humiliation ritual.
why does the mouth of the guy in the bottom (idk his name) look like a from-behind shot of a couple doing the mating press?
I mean from the thumbnail.
If you think this is weird I was kidding btw.
to wake up
Is she meant to look hot here? Looks like some leftist SJW troony with black eyeball body modifications. You'd think they'd use an attractive version of her for an ad like that.
>people actually don’t understand why the eyes were black
Cmon anon. Think for a second
This is the archetypal Gift of the Goddess in the Hero's Journey arc.
A very deep and moving scene, and possibly the most iconic of the last decade.
to show that all women are lying prostitutes and you shouldnt fall for their manipulation
a better question is why is it so memeable?