What was the purpose of this character?
her mom's entire story is that she wants to make a space for her ghost daughter to live in, then why did she make Stuletta? Just to be in a school and get married?
She didn't contribute anything to her plot or the show except moronic meme reactions and "oh noes sad social moments"
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The purpose was to reel in morons like ,
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Protect the tanuki! ToT
Finding her own agency.
Being engaged to Dellings daughter which was likely how she got to work on QZ in the first place, when Delling gets coma'd she's also her bargaining chip to get Miorine on her side and she needed Aeriel to get to Permet 8.
I'm still not sure if the Coven are actually clones of Eri put into the gundbits or just datastorm manifestations. Also maybe she just wanted a daughter again?
>Being engaged to Dellings daughter which was likely how she got to work on QZ in the first place
They've been working together on Quiet Zero even before that. Suletta's purpose is to simply help get Aerial to Permet 8 by participating in MS Duels which further improves its abilities without arousing too much suspicion. Delling also gets the bonus of having someone reliable to look after Miorine without ill intent.
Miorine had a friend like that beforehand and Delling told her to frick off.
Because she's a cripple.
So is she actually a clone or what? How many other times did Prospera clone Eri? Is it that the original is more valid than the clones?
>Being engaged to Dellings daughter
Why not fiddle with the genes and make it a boy then? It'd cause less problems in the long run and a physically sturdier pilot would be more likely to achieve Permet 8.
Why specifically is Suletta the only one that can get Permet that high? I feel like something is missed in between the prologue and the show. We don't know WHY Suletta specifically other than the fact that she's the main character.
And this.
What even IS Permet? They never really explained it. Why does fricking everything run on Permet in that universe?
>Repli-Child
The frick even is that, why isn't it explained
How common are they
Are there any others?
Sounds like they invented an entirely new technology to explain the protagonist's presence.
If you can make Repli-Childs, why can't you use that to clone body parts and shit? Even better than making Gund-Arm space suits.
What does that even fricking mean
>a physically sturdier pilot would be more likely to achieve Permet 8
You have no idea what the qualities that allow someone to reach a higher permet score even are, women actually score higher than men on the resilience scale despite being more frail in terms of their physique
how the frick are you STILL wondering if Suletta is a clone?
>then why did she make Stuletta?
Because her ghost daughter was stuck in the machine and couldn't manifest until Aerial hit Permet Score 8. That means someone has to pilot the mobile suit and get into battles to push Aerial to that extent, and it would be incredibly suspicious if the woman herself did it. Suletta's role and reason in life is solely to progress Aerial to Permet Score 8. After that she wasn't needed anymore, and she came to understand just how cheap her life really is.
>daughter is stuck in machine until permet score 8
So uhh, why is that? Why does the permet score need to be unlocked by a human, but afterwords it’s just unlocked permanently? What even is permet score? I thought it was like, the amount of data a suit was generating and giving the pilot.
The Gundam all have Neural Networks that are trained on the datastorm, the higher the permet score the more data you give it to train on, see the prologue. I assume this was the limitation for Eri controlling the suit itself and permet 8 was just enough data to train the suit for her to control it. Its not very concretely explained.
thats not how neural networks work... But I guess the idea that she couldnt go any farther in the matrix sorta makes sense plot wise
I don't know if its a nn exactly but the language they use fits and peil has AI shit too so I just figured it was something like that.
That's not actually how it works either. Suletta's real purpose is to act as a proxy for Prospera herself. Combat Data is necessary to improve the Permet Score and there really isn't a more ideal place than Anticassia because of the MS Duels that take place there. It's way safer than simply taking Aerial out in live combat against real pilots too, so it makes sense for Prospera to send them there.
It's not any human, Suletta herself said she was a Repli-Child, meaning she's probably a genetic clone of Ericht. Prospera needed someone who also had resistance to the data storm to reach Permet Score 8. Remember that even for trained people, Permet Score 5 is fatal.
About unlocking the tiers permanently, what I understood from Episode 0 was that because Ericht is inside the data storm, she only managed to reach a certain depth ("diving" is mentioned in that episode). Because you need a body to actually interact with the Gundam, Ericht was stuck at that depth for a very long time - she needed someone to help her dive further in.
heterosexual sex for the purpose of procreation
What was the purpose of this thread?
op's entire story is that he wants to make a space for his moronic self to suck massive dick in, then why did he make this shit thread? Just to be on a board and ruin it?
He didn't contribute anything to /m/ or the site except moronic meme reactions and "oh noes seething gb***h hater moments"
How did Gundam stand longer than 40 years, despite 21th century gundam's story mostly suck except for OO, while Bionicle is dead in decade, despite well made universe, story and superior technology, fair way of selling kits?
Dude you are so fricking autistic, did you ingest too many bionicles as a kid? Stop fricking spamming already.
But Bionicle is Mech too. That's why. It was the strongest competitor of Gunpla when Seed and OO was airing.
And Bandai lost their Discipline when Bionicle was dead since 2010, and that's why Age,IBO and G-woke sux.
have a nice day.
In this universe high tier ms use data storm but human bodies can't seem to handle it for long
Eri seemed to be able to handle more than mosts
But eventually she succumbs and Eri's body dies from using the gund-arms but her soul lives on the machine, just unable to fully awaken
Prospera replicates Eri in a way of forcing machine learning multiple times
Suletta seems to be the last push for that awakening, and onces she makes Eri fully conscious by reaching permet 8 she isn't useful anymore and Prospera and Eri tell her to live her life away from the cycle of vengance
According to Prospera, Eri's body died because she was not used to traveling in space.
yeah that was wierd, at the end of prologue she's completely fine then in episode 17 they reveal she began dying of space disease coincidently right afterwards
Space is a godawful place to live, especially in zero-g. Especially for a kid in zero-g who is a fugitive living on a broke dick station orbiting the shittiest possible planet in the system.
There's also the theory that she was always a bit frail because she's the only character never seen out of her spacesuit in the prologue.
It looked like the space station had artificial gravity, seemed that way in the flashback Suletta gave her, I think her body got fricked up on the trip there.
Eri gave Suletta, rather.
She still lived for four more years after prologue so it would have to be Mercury that did her in.
Or actually no, disregard that. If I remember Cradle Planet right, Eri recalls Prospera and Suletta coming to Mercury after she was born and presumably after Eri had been stuffed into the Lfrith.
We don't know when she actually started dying. They were drifting all the way to mercury, a trip that could take weeks to months depending how much they accelerated. Not to mention she was forced to connect with the GUND the entire way presumably.
Speedwatcher, Mercury has "harsh magnetic storms" that killed her. Eri and Prospera had to flee to Mercury because of the Vanadis Incident (the events of the Prologue). Prospera literally explains this series of events SEVERAL times in the second season.
>Mercury has "harsh magnetic storms" that killed her
It is never specified what killed her, only that it was the stresses of living in space.
She is the Caliban equivalent
Yuribait and no other reason
Suletta is Mewtwo.
She's Fate.
Fate was in a better show at least.
To be cute HECKING useless lesbian
Just like the brocon was made male instead of female.
And there’s a random richgay nig who’s “Le very smart engineer.”
All for MUH DIVERSITY ANd REPRESENTATION!
Tragically most of G-Woke’s characters have little defining characteristics outside of that besides Prospera.
Yeah. At least IBO is Right winged Gigachad Gundam. Not Wokeshit like this. Iron based Orphans. See Koreans hating IBO for it is Yakuza themed Right Wing gundam unlike Leftist like G-woke.
>IBO
>Right-Winged
>When it has homos Yamagi and Norba and israeliteess Kudelia Bernstein
It is Right wing according to Korea for Olga saying "Please lend your Chip named Life" which means "frick anti-war" for glorifying war and it is Right wing.
Captcha:SSOYX
>glorifies war
>kills every protagonist that didn't abandon war
It was centrist.
on the level of state war is bipartisan.
Exactly. All of the normal, well adjusted people in ibo (kudelia, fumitan, crank, the mechanic dude, merrebit) are horrified that there’s a mercenary company of children fighting. The whole point of the “children go back inside” moment with merrebit isn’t that she’s wrong, but how fricked up the world that these kids feel justified in watching.
IBO Was baiting Netouyos then.
Ah yes, the one about colonialism and revolutionary insurgencies was right wing (?)
IBO is based,right winged gundam with Shinsengumi vibe which is "frick anti-war". IBO isn't woke for being right winged anime. Korea marked IBO as "Right wing" anime like GATE, monogatari,Angol Mois and Amaim.
Who cares about Korea and their marketing?
Was gonna say, IBO is about as centrist as it gets - Korea just hates the nipponese
98.5% of Japan is Japanese who the frick are they trying to score diversity points with?
The Burger/Western audience obviously.
In 1979?
>He doesn’t know that 0079 used to air on Toonami
Oh! My bad. I didn't know they created such a diverse cast of characters just so the show can be aired on US TV in 2001. I'm moronic.
Tomino’s always been a cucked leftist communist, that’s why G and Wing Gundam are the only good ones.
? G Gundam is a burger king's kid meal of diversity.
Complete moron
One thing I’ll give credit to 0079 for is that at least it portrayed all it’s racial minorities accurate and realistic to the real world such as Lalah originally being a poorgay prostitute compared to whatever G-Witch is doing.
>What was the purpose of this character?
To give Prospera a meeting with Delling so she could take over Quiet Zero and also to push Aerial to Permet Score 8 in D-D-D-D-DUELS
She merely existed for the "Eri=/Suletta" twist that everyone sensible called day 1 and her entire character retroactively makes the prologue hollow because of how she divorced she is from that tragedy.
I know that. I'm mocking people who say IBO is woke just for having some of these people in the very far background. Like, it'd be one thing if they had a random Hannukah episode, but Kudelia's heritage doesn't matter for shit. And the gay crap is such a minor part of the show it doesn't bare mentioning. IBO is not woke. But also I wouldn't call it a "frick anti-war" story either. Its pretty centerist
So does that mean G-Witch is unironically the most woke Gundam yet considering how it centers around a lesbian romance and has a nig as a smart, rich engineer?
Yes.
The holder system only exists to justify the Suletta and Miorine calling each other bride and groom to the audience. Its just there to yuribait.
Suletta is a mary sue who doesn't lose a single fight unless the opponents are cheating. For that matter, all of the dudes job to women constantly and suck at piloting unless they're fighting other dudes. For that matter, all of the dudes just suck in general.
The diversity stuff, far from being background radiation, is front and center. Like, they went out of their way to establish a cool, relatively threatening character in the prologue only to turn him fat in the main series (and some how, in no way does it inhibit his ability to move around or pilot) and get rid of his anti-gundam machine.
They do the bakugo thing with guel where they introduce him with his absolute WORST foot forward and then never approach that again because the only reason they did it in the first place was to go like "Controlling men bad!". They he turns into a massive simp for 80% of the story.
I'm leaving a good bit out.
All of this shit is incredibly lazy. It exists to win cheap points with the diversity people, but makes it harder to suspend disbelief for the story, lowering the quality overall. And thats what "woke" is. If instead of the holder bullshit, they just had Miorine and Suletta warming up to each other through their classes, or Suletta's interest in produce because that stuffs rare AF on mercury, I don't think half the people who don't like it would continue to.
Don’t forget Lauda’s only character trait being “flaming homosexual brocon” and he’s the one who’s coincidentally brought to the forefront when they decided to sideline the lesbian MCs in the second cour.
Also brutally killing off all the hetships
And the amazing coincidence that all the shows nigs just “happen” to be in high status positions.
G-Woke is just a barrage of non-stop virtue-signaling.
Don’t forget the novel giving Miorine a love interest and apparently making it canon that she’s been a lesbian the whole time and despite what the anime wants you to believe, Shaddiq never had a chance.
Honestly, it'd be a lot more interesting to see Suletta compete with a woman for Miorine instead of just guys. How hard would it've been to make one of the 3 scions a woman? Or even better, have the relationship stuff develop independently of the giant robot duels.
>have the relationship stuff develop independently of the giant robot duels.
wasn't that kind of the entire point? She wasn't interested in her suitor and wanted to literally run away to a thirdie shithole called Earth.
Yah for like an episode. As soon as its Suletta suddenly the Holder system is A OK. More to the point, even if that was Miorine's intention originally, the story itself definitely ties her relationship status into the holder system. The only 3 love interests she's given are all competitors in that system.
I think you should rewatch the first few episodes
you can't seriously be denying that the show ties Miorines love life to the holder system
I think Delling ties her love life to the holder system, not the show, her relationship with Suletta starts outside of the holder system, even when she wins it is denied and Miorine herself has to fight for it.
Any argument you had is killed by Guel giving it back to her before her reunion with Miorine. If they had moved past it, that scene would have been unnecessary but it served to show that no matter what, the holder system is what ultimately keeps them together.
She's the president of space at that point. The final duel with Guel was a symbolic gesture at best.
While I think that it would have been far better narratively for Miorine to give Holder status back to Suletta, emphasizing that she is choosing a future with Suletta, you'd have to be moronic to think the decision was made for any reason other than merch sales.
The series initially mocking the Holder system and treating it as cruel to then going to unironically celebrating the system and it's symbols as a matter of pride just feels so goofy
I suppose it undermines itself but I am glad for Suletta to be out of that ugly green uniform.
That doesn’t make any sense considering they already gave Suletta both uniforms and nothing changes except reverting it back to a model they already produced. It wasn’t for merch, it was for dumbass shippers who were frothing at the mouth to hear Suletta and Miorine call each other Bride and Groom without actually moving forward. At this point I feel bad for anyone who thinks these two actually love each other outside of the holder system because it’s the only time they ever refer to each other in a “lovey” way despite their world being accepting of that stuff. It comes off as wanting to have the cake and eat it too by saying the world is progressive but also actually it’s still old fashioned so that way it’s relatable to the audience it’s aiming for.
>At this point I feel bad for anyone who thinks these two actually love each other outside of the holder system because it’s the only time they ever refer to each other in a “lovey” way despite their world being accepting of that stuff.
Frankly, I am shocked that you are more autistic/less socially aware than Suletta. Impressive.
In what way if I may ask?
Amuro ray was a teenager who suddenly decided to hijack the gundam out of nowhere and wins every fight he gets into against well trained adult soldiers only struggling against the best of the best like char and on top of that he gets new type powers to justify him being so naturally good yet I don’t see you calling him a a Mary sue
He wins every fight in the beginning because the gundam is just that much more advanced and then it starts to flip as the zeeks catch up. You could have at least used Kira Yamato or something.
For the record I'm not the person you were responding to and don't even consider thought terminating cliches like mary sue valid criticism
The exact same Can be said for suletta. She wins most fights due to how advanced the aerial is also combined with her own piloting skills. And it’s not unreasonable for suletta to have already have piloting skills cause she’s been training with prospera for the past few years to go to the school and do just that
She only loses because Miorine installs a killswitch in Aerial and then she gets an even older prototype suit that doesn't have bits and fights an entire death star. I don't really have a problem with it but I don't think it compares to Amuro.
It’s not the exact same as amuro but my point is that suletta does struggle in the duels even in ones where the opponents aren’t cheating most notably shaddiq’s duel.
Is Shaddiqs duel such a good example when she probably would have won that one easily too had it not been for the Antidote?
>The exact same Can be said for suletta.
No, because Amuro is down right out classed in everything but his suit. As powerful as the his rilfe and bean sabers are, he still needs to get better for the sake of the crew and doesn't rely on "oh no, anyway funnels."
Suletta is attending school as a piloting major and presumably she is improving her skills as a pilot as she attends school that Can mostly be seen in ep 4 I would agree I wish there was more on screen time to show her developing her skills but we can still atleast surmise she is improving her skills from attending school as she has perfect grades, which is how she is able to hold her own and narrowly win duels as she loses the technological advantage the aerial has
you made me realize we don't even know like, how any of the students are doing in classes lol. I'm surprised there was no "big exam" episode with hijinks
That was episode 4
hmm I guess that counts? I was thinking more of a written exam personally.
>cause she’s been training with prospera for the past few years to go to the school
Longer, she was beating the simulator scores at 6 and had been regularly using Aerial to rescue workers in accidents on Mercury.
>beating the simulator
Means jack.
Yet when throughout the show does it ever seem like she's the one showcasing piloting skills? At the end of all of it, it almost seems as if she had no skill at all and Aerial was doing everything. The only thing she had going was that data storm resistance which only mattered at the very end.
I assume Eri was only controlling the bit staves most of the time. At least the way it was depicted, Suletta seemed to be in control and never let go or let Aerial do things automatically that I can remember.
Amuro loses to Char in episode 2.
Read again what I said. He only struggles against the best of the best like char, ramba ral, etc.
also to address that other point suletta begins to struggle more in the duels as they progress because the opponents bring more and more advanced Mobile suits are introduced. In the first duel with guel barely can lay a finger on the aerial but in the duel with shaddiq he cuts off the aerials arms and legs and suletta only barely is saved by Chu chu
Amuro Ray loses to the people with the most experience that can overcome the technological hurdle the Gundam had over the Zaku II. They barely make it through the trip to Luna II and from Luna II to Earth. During the Earth arc, leading up to Ramba Ral, the majority of the field they face is Zaku IIs, Dopps, and Magellas. Even while Amuro is still whiny, he's still spending time in the simulators and inside the Gundam learning and training because of his frustration at losing to Char. Not only that but Char is actively working against Garma throughout that section of the Earth arc before Char gets sidelined by the Zabis which created a mutlilayered environment that White Base as a whole benefited from.
It's a plot point that they're stretching their resources completely thin and the Gundam is taking too much damage too frequently. Ramba Ral's entire arc drives Amuro into his hyper autism about studying every piece of data they have on Zeon suits and equipment, while working on maintaining the Gundam and improving its performance.
Suletta doesn't lose to anyone, not even the most experienced combat pilots. It takes literally everyone in the show including her own Gundam conspiring against her for her to finally lose just once.
She doesn’t lose but she comes very close to it on several occasions. She only is able to win against Elan because he pushes it with the permet score and nearly kills himself trying to pilot the pharact. In fact just to duel elan in the first place she has to put earth house into debt and it’s mentioned the repeated duels are racking up a pretty hefty repair bill. Also she literally does pretty much get beaten by Shaddiq but only wins the duel due to Chu Chu’s snipe. If she was a Mary Sue she would be easily winning every duel with very little struggle or damage to aerial.
But she literally easily won every single fight she was involved in, Duels or not. She was also always inside machines with PERMET and can effortlessly go into high scores. Her whole character is being a Mary sue pilot since inception, considering she's a clone who piloted nothing but the top of the line Gundams in the show and always came out on top, the only time she was outmatched was against Shaddiq briefly until she won easily again thanks to Eri, and even Guel had to fricking cheat and set her up to stand a chance and even then he almost loses.
> She was also always inside machines with PERMET and can effortlessly go into high scores.
every single piece of technology in universe uses permet.
>the only time she was outmatched was against Shaddiq briefly until she won easily again thanks to Er
She didn't win against Shaddiq because of Eri, she won because Chuchu was still in the field after her suit got totaled. Eri gets disabled and Suletta has to increase the permet score to control the bits herself.
>And even Guel had to fricking cheat and set her up to stand a chance and even then he almost loses
Too many false implications here. Guel almost loses to an unimpeded Suletta and wins because he sets her up.
>every single piece of technology in universe uses permet.
Goalposts moved, nice
>Too many false implications here
???
>She won because of Chuchu
No she didn't you lying prostitute, she had a moment where the antidote disabled Eri but a second after she came back online and was able to hold every other pilot back by herself plus with help. She's literally in crutches all the time.
>Goalposts moved, nice
Explain.
>???
You're implying Suletta was still winning despite Guel cheating but that was not how it played out, you're either confusing two different duels or intentionally lying.
>No she didn't you lying prostitute, she had a moment where the antidote disabled Eri but a second after she came back online and was able to hold every other pilot back by herself plus with help. She's literally in crutches all the time.
Her suit is completely totaled by the end of the fight regardless of Antidote, she only wins because Chuchu was there. I figure you're intentionally lying then?
>Her suit is completely totaled by the end of the fight
That doesn't disprove anything, it was totaled cause she soloed 6 other people and still won, not even by her own efforts either.
>you're confusing duels
The only time she lost was when her crutch got turned down against Guel but her MS outspecs everything else so hard she was still able to come out on top almost in the second duel against Darilbalde that wasn't even a Gundam. She was never outside a Gundam, she was never in a machine with lesser specs against anything, there is no merit to any of her duels either because she always had Eri with her even against Pharact.
>she soloed 6 other people and still won
She soloed 6 other people and lost. Also the dialogue implies that after the antidote she is controlling everything herself too.
>needs 6 people + a special disable to beat her mobile suit
Again, she literally never struggled as a pilot.
>show her struggling as a pilot
>she never struggled as a pilot
If it makes you feel any better the Grassley Mobile Suits also aren't Gundam.
Doesn't matter when they used antidote and she still managed to take out most of them, Grassley MS are no joke either. And that was the only time she "struggled" but it's barely anything compared to Amuro or Kamille, even in the latest episode she just mastered the Calibarn and effortlessly got inside QZ and managed to hold her own against aerial + all the other Gundams inside the storm at permet 8.
>Grassley MS are no joke either.
Did you miss the episode where Guel similarly mogs them? Also the "other gundams" at QZ are gund bits that look like MS, even the Demi Trainer could handle those.
nta Grassley MS are clearly designed to mog people with numbers, of the three main companies they seem to have the worst performance in solo battles
To be fair it's not like Eri even wanted to kill her while piloting Calibarn
You know, the biggest issue is that she should have just straight up lost here. People call her a mary sue because in situations where she by all means should lose, there’s shit that stops it from happening when it literally shouldn’t. I wouldn’t say she’s a mary sue because people get too mad about that term but I would say that the world constantly bends over backwards to make sure that she never loses in situations where it would make sense to and the only time she does lose is when it’s forced by everyone around her. Nothing that happens to her is ever because of her, nit her wins or her loses.
Isn't this the only instance of an "outside force" (it was a team battle to begin with) causing her to win a fight? The world doesn't have to bend over backwards to make sure she never loses because she already has the mostest strongest Mobile Suit and I think their is Merit to it being Miorine specifically, not really everyone around her, who deceives her into losing against Guel.
I’m not talking about the outside force, I’m talking about multiple times where people could have taken the shot and ended the battle with a win against her but stopped for dramatic effect and then other factors working overtime to make sure that Suletta wins. Basically, if a character is about to win, they usually do something dumb or it just so happens that a coincidence in Suletta’s favor causes her a second wind. It’s not uncommon for coincidences or outside forces to save people especially in gundam, but with Suletta is has 0 stakes because everyone knew she wasn’t losing until it was forced by Miorine so it makes the battles lack any tension that series where the pilots can lose and have someone else pick up to make sure they don’t die. Suletta was never going to lose because the stakes were too high and there was nothing for her to do if she lost since it’d kill the plot so by no means could she ever lose even if it was contrived or meant the characters she’s fighting had to suddenly do something that made them vulnerable to lose.
>but with Suletta is has 0 stakes because everyone knew she wasn’t losing until it was forced by Miorine so it makes the battles lack any tension t
Isn't this something you can only really determine retroactively after having already watched the show though? I remember the shaddiq duel in particular having a big deal made out of it because of utena analogues and people without that more meta knowledge would be even more in the dark.
>Isn't this something you can only really determine retroactively after having already watched the show though?
Not really, at least not for me. It was around the Shaddiq duel that I was convinced if she didn’t lose it, then she’d never lose on her own.
Because Shaddiq had a shot on her he didn’t take. If it had been something like one of the earth kids knocking Aerial out of the way or throwing something to block the shot, I would have been ecstatic but having Shaddiq stop for dramatic effect only to lose because he just forgot there were other people to watch out for is just lame. I don’t necessarily want to see Suletta lose a match entirely, I want to see her faults which is something battles usually bring out in a pilot but none of the bad things that happen to Suletta are because of mistakes on her part and for any damage Aerial gets, they have to make sure you know Suletta and her are still the strongest by tripling that on whoever gave it to them. She’s just faultless in everything and her wins feel like they’re given rather than earned but that’s simply how the story needed to progress.
He just said one line, aimed his gun then got shot.
From his perspective there is no need to rush, everyone else not on his team got disabled, there was no reason to even assume those kids would cobble together their disabled MS the way they did
Yeah he was a stupid teenager and he paid for it. The issue is that the show wants us to believe he’s some grand schemer when he fumbles something as basic as that. It’s fine if you like it, it was just the moment that told me Suletta won’t lose unless plot says she must.
No, the show wants you to believe he's a teenager with grand goals but his ego and distrust of the people around him gets in the way, that's the entire point of the episode. Including him accepting the fact that its his fault that he never could get with Miorine because he never stepped up in a honest manner to help her
Okay but that doesn’t take away from what I was saying nor how I feel about the matter.
Nta but the show can still make a point that Shaddiq is a schemer that's trying to fill boots bigger than him and still have Suletta lose that duel as part of her growth as a pilot. Literally doesn't take that away at all, but she still wins regardless and feels nothing was gained. The journey of her going through Asticassia to getting the Calibarn doesn't really feel earned, especially after everyone makes a big fuss about the machine being unfiltered permet but Suletta does a few test drives on it and she's a-ok and manages to defeat Ericht and bypass the Data Storm.
Shit, even Banagher who was piloting a literal Deus Ex machina arguably experienced more losses in his journey than her and felt like he earned more of his victories.
You are arguing for something different here, just pointing out that Shaddiq not being as good as a schemer as he seems is the point, the show doesn't pretend otherwise.
Also, Suletta in the Calibarn neither defeats Ericht or bypass the data storm, but on that matter that might be the only issue I have with the latest episode is that the colony laser shot should've come later.
But with the way things was going, there was zero chance for Suletta to actually beat Eri, who even while going easy on her had the clear upperhand and when she was about to get rid of her in her child-like tantrum moment she ended up saving her from the laser
>Also, Suletta in the Calibarn neither defeats Ericht or bypass the data storm
She held her own and allowed chuchu and the earth students with El5n and Kenanji to sneak in, that's a lot especially using a suit that was supposed to be the worst of the worst for the pilot, she just heavy breathes but otherwise is normally handling everything. And then the colony laser conveniently eliminates Ericht.
>She held her own
She literally gets saved by QZ itself, she didn't handle anything on her own and had to get saved twice by QZ and the Laser, literally if those two things didn't happen they wouldn't have been able to sneak in because the gund bits would've still been active and Suletta would've just lost the fight entirely.
Even if she gets saved she still held her own for a good amount of time and was giving Ericht a run for her money, what are you even trying to argue here? Yes all the chips fell in place again for her for the umpteenth time, that only further reinforces my points as well that the writing still can't accommodate to her flaws and instead chooses to grant her divine intervention all the time.
>was giving Ericht a run for her money
This is false, she literally never even touched Eri that entire fight, mind you Eri was literally only using melee and didn't touch her gun the entire time.
And yet the moment she even got remotely serious, Suletta started taking damage, her friends got surrounded, and Suletta started begging for Eri to stop and yet Eri still didn't even arm herself. My argument here is that Suletta barely managed to do anything, there is no way you could even begin to argue that she beat Eri or "even gave her a run for her money" when she didn't even scratch the fricking paint on Rebuild
And yet the entire post episode discussion was about how no one could say Suletta was a bad pilot because look at how well she was dodging the bits and fighting well against Eri. Suletta’s “victories” have always been one of two things, either the world moves so she wins or her opponent drops the ball. It makes sense that Eri wouldn’t fight her seriously but if you believe that then you also have to admit that Suletta just has things handed to her most of the time by other people.
I don't really have to admit anything, because you're referring to two entirely different people, I do take issue with anyone trying to say this though
>she's a-ok and manages to defeat Ericht
Like in what fricking world does anything she did count as a defeat?
I sure hope you don't mean the part where Suletta was taking damage and getting hit while both Rebuild and the bits was trying to tell her to stop, seriously she was completely outmatched.
She managed to defeat her in the sense that she got the people to get inside QZ and defeat it by stalling her, and then had the magical laser destroy Rebuild. Again, nothing was lost, everything was gained for Suletta.
She just lost her fricking sister, you velcro-shoed smoothbrain.
>lost
>her sister
She was already dead in the first place you absolute fricking homosexual.
Dead people can't talk, make decisions, or do actions, anon. If you want to avoid dubs, you should probably start reading those words that magically appear at the bottom of your screen while people are talking. You might learn what the frick is going on.
Actual moron.
>Dead people can't talk, make decisions, or do actions
>He didn't understand Zeta
Kamile lost his mind after Four's death. all the ghosts he saw were illusions inside his head.
there's an episode where Fa was shocked hearing Kamille calling Rosamia as Four and she didn't believe what happened.
him seeing Sarah before trying to shoot down Psycho Gundam 2 even though she had nothing to do with it or Cyber Newtypes further proves that Kamile became crazy before killing Scirocco.
Amuro and Char didn't see Newtype ghosts like Kamile in comparison.
Funny enough, the only other character that saw Newtypes ghosts was Haman when she was fighting Judau, but one can say she was depressed and suicidal after losing Char.
>He didn't understand Zeta
Yeah I can see you didn't.
enlighten us then
the most fricking famous scene in 79 is amuro talking to lalah’s newtype ghost you dumb bastard
Just a symbolic "souls reaching to each other" cutscene, you dumbass
Kamille was talking with ghosts most of the time in the last 10 episodes.
im willing to humor you for one more reply, how do you explain the last stretch of victory then? uso sees and talks to newtyoe ghosts there
He clearly went insane after his mother died. No other explanation
Usso has a fricked up childhood and life.
his entire life is seeing people getting brutally killed. he lost his mind 100%
amuro says “we can see each other any time, lalah”
>cutscene
Go back vedditor.
Amuro also lost his first crush, Matilda but he didn't see her ghost.
Amuro didn't become crazy like Kamile talking to ghosts.
the Lalah scene was just like the other anon said, just emotional/dramatic moment
Char didn't see any ghosts either despite losing a lot of people
In fairness Char is a shitty newtype. Poor git can’t even speak to Lalah while his arch rival sits in his million dollar mansion, drinking wienertails and speaking to her daily
Katz sees Sara's newtype ghost before dying
The ZZ gets powered by every Newtype ghost Kamille experienced in the Zeta to power it up and help Judau defeat Haman
In Unicorn Amuro and Lalah's newtype ghosts take Char's soul out of FF
In NT the Phenex is literally piloted by a Newtype ghost that can assimilate other Newtype ghosts into a hivemind
>In Unicorn Amuro and Lalah's newtype ghosts take Char's soul out of FF
>In NT the Phenex is literally piloted by a Newtype ghost that can assimilate other Newtype ghosts into a hivemind
Fukui's fanfics don't count
he didn't understand Tomino's message
Tomino said he felt like kicking Fukui after reading the Turn A novelisation
He should’ve fricking killed him instead
What's so bad about it? I never read it, but I hate NT and Unicorn
Nothing, it's part of a bit stemming from all the times people whom Tomino had inspired likewise have wanted to hit him for some dick move or another he'd pull in his works.
If the Master wants to kick you, then you have become the Master.
Fukui is about as far from the master as it gets
>Suletta barely managed to do anything
Outside of being the only reason QZ got shut down by piloting the hardest MS to pilot in the whole setting after a 10 second clip of training in it. That's the issue, doesn't matter if you think Eri had the upper hand, it wasn't ever about that anyway. You're also missing how she held her own against Gund bits + Rebuild for a large chunk of time, as if it were a small feat any pilot in the universe could handle.
I thought QZ got shut down because of Miorines dead moms ghost? Suletta just gets her ass kicked and pants a lot for the most part.
That’s pretty much exactly what happens
Without Suletta how the frick does Miorine and the others get in, genius? Unless you're implying the demi trainer was enough to get them through, in which case Ochs Earth asking Suletta to pilot Calibarn is completely pointless? The entire plan is hinging on Suletta.
They got in because something else in QZ made an opening for them, Suletta wasn’t able to help them like they hoped, did you watch the episode? Unless you think Suletta was the one who interrupted them
No. QZ itself turns off and thats what lets them get through. Before that they were literally surrounded. Suletta had nothing to do with it.
Okay? Yeah she didn't hack them in but she was keeping most bits at bay plus she was drawing Ericht's entire attention towards her.
anon the moment they even touched the datastorm field they got surrounded, I don't really think you understand what occurred there.
>demi trainer
That wasn't a demi trainer, and yes Suletta wasn't the one that got them inside, it was QZ itself or whatever resides inside of it, which is who/what Eri was yelling at
If Suletta wasn't piloting Calibarn what stops Eri from frying the Barding and the shuttle in seconds the second they try to pierce through?
Miorines mother, which is what happened anyway. Nothing was stopping Eri to begin with.
>Miorines mother, which is what happened anyway
That still literally doesn't explain why they're never fired upon by the bits that had them surrounded and just conveniently execute the hack from inside the shuttle. The Miorine mom thing happens when they're inside QZ.
>The Miorine mom thing happens when they're inside QZ.
No, its Miorines mother that turns off the Bits as well. They're not fired upon because Eri still wanted to reason with Suletta, the moment Eri decides to kill them they shut off.
Which is literally equally as moronic. The whole episode was a series of convenient asspulls.
>Eri trying to reason with them for reasons and not doing anything
>Miorine's mom coming to save the day
>Prospera and an army of murder bots being absolutely incapable of stopping anyone
>Miorine remembering the genetic codes of her tomatoes that were somehow the password to stop the entire thing
>Colony laser out of nowhere to disable Rebuild
lmao even
you are moving the conversation to a different topic entirely anon.
No I'm not, the entire conversation was already moved to something else in the first place.
This sub-topic stemmed entirely from someone saying Suletta didn't solo Eri then the topic became how people seem to misunderstand that Suletta was the one that got them into QZ, I ain't here to discuss if you think tomatoes and shit are stupid anon.
Well idk about the other stuff either, just that the whole of her getting inside the Calibarn and fighting Eri and then coming unscathed doesn't really feel earned to me. I'm trying to think of instances where she experienced substantial loss and outside her mock duel with Guel where she lost holder status I legitimately can't think of any. The plot just establishes her as a great pilot and never really depicts her flaws.
>I'm trying to think of instances where she experienced substantial loss and outside her mock duel with Guel where she lost holder status
is her losing everything not enough for you?
She didn’t lose that because of anything she did and she seemed pretty fine by the end of it. Suletta is perfect and nothing bad that happens to her is ever because of anything she did, it’s always someone else’s fault or choice when she loses or gains anything. Caring for a character like that is hard outside of her looks.
She got dumped because she said she would kill people if mommy told her to, that was a pretty big character flaw
That’s Prospera’s fault, not hers. She didn’t know any better so it’s not really her flaw.
Guess what, everyone IRL's problems are actually their parents' fault too. People don't just develop shitty behavior in a vacuum.
Nah. All your problems are your fault cause you're on Cinemaphile
You’re missing the point, Suletta herself never makes a mistake that is not directly caused by her childlike nature and only knowing her mother’s words and way of life.
You’re being obtuse. There’s a difference between someone who consciously does something despite knowing it’s bad and Suletta who could be given a pass because she genuinely didn’t believe she did anything wrong because to her it wasn’t. Now if Suletta understood what Miorine was upset about but still said it anyways, then that’s Suletta’s fault, but she doesn’t even get why Miorine is mad outside of the fact that she said something Miorine didn’t like, not that she said something that was considered wrong to most people. Suletta doesn’t have any flaws that are a fault of hers outside of the stuttering which she eventually fixes. It’s not even that she has any trauma or anything, she just straight up is moronic.
You have to consciously do bad things to not be a Mary Sue?
If you are unaware of what you are doing wrong because someone didn’t teach you, the fault lies mostly with whoever didn’t teach you. I don’t think it has to be actively malicious but if you don’t know what you’re doing is bad then it’s hard to fault you unless you intentionally ignored someone telling you it was which isn’t Suletta’s case. Like take Miorine or Guel, they both have flaws relating to how they treat other people and how they view the world because of how they interpreted their parents words and actions. Suletta lacks the ability to interpret anything so she’s just parroting Prospera verbatim when it comes to most things. I guess it’s the lack of her interpreting what she’s told and acting solely on someone else’s words instead of being able to adjust it to herself is what makes me feel like she doesn’t have any flaws that aren’t directly someone else’s fault. She doesn’t have any opinion on those kinds of things like Guel or Miorine so it’s hard to say it’s her fault when she’s just repeating and representing what she heard directly. Think Setsuna and those kids Ali brainwashed except her moment of breaking free with someone’s help wasn’t followed by her seeking to help herself more and instead she just returned to normal except now since she knows, she can reject the bad parts of Prospera and Eri while keeping the good parts she already had.
Suletta isn't moronic, she isn't even stupid, you just think she is because your version of her has to be moronic to make sense. She understands that killing people is bad, she says as much after the splat and she knows why Miorine is upset with that she just thinks that her mothers judgement is correct because to her that has always been the case and that is her rationalization and naivety is in itself a flaw.
Her rationality and naïveté isn’t always flawed though and only is when she’s under the influence of Prospera. What I mean when I say she’s moronic is that if Prospera told her it was ok, she’d genuinely believe it was and would have no qualms about it. I don’t think she’s fully moronic it’s just easier to use that word than try and explain it. If Prospera says it she believes it and if it aligns with what Prospera thinks is right then she genuinely thinks it’s right. Her hang up with Miorine was her knowing Miorine was upset but it didn’t exactly make sense to her entirely why because Prospera was right. I want to go into it more but I can already tell my view on it is too different from yours so we won’t ever come to a consensus on it. I just think Suletta isn’t flawed enough and gets too much handed to her, that’s all.
Fair
> I just think Suletta isn’t flawed enough and gets too much handed to her, that’s all.
I kind of agree that Suletta did not struggle as much as your average Gundam protagonist. I really was not a fan of Eri info dumping everything to Suletta to drag her into the plot when it would've been more satisfying for her to find the info on her own. Not to mention, she spent an entire episode just sitting around at school until shit began exploding around her and the plot had to force her back in the story. She's just not proactive enough to be a compelling lead.
The universe is wholly deterministic and everything is affected by everything else so really no character ever does anything wrong or has agency and are all flawless and on top of that we should let all prisoners out of prison because its not really their fault is it? I mean if you're going to be this unreasonable lets go all the way.
Only the colony laser is an asspull and even then its only an "asspull" since it doesn't really meet the criteria of a real asspull cause its basically just a new big bad.
They're never fired upon by the bits that surrounded them because they got forcefully turned off, which ruined her plan. They didn't hack shit inside the shuttle
Are you seriously implying Suletta was stopping Eri from frying them to begin with? Whatever caused the data interference is what saved them, not Suletta.
>"Never touched"
Anon, those are her replisisters, not Eri herself, only time she touched Eri is when Eri fricking dropkicked her
>was giving Ericht a run for her money
>Eri dropkicks Caliban out of nowhere.
Giant Robots using pro wrestling movies will never not be awesome.
I think if Suletta have officially lost the duel with Guel rather than switch off, it would make the whole "abandonment plan" flow much better narratively. Hell you can still doing the happy birthday shot and killswitch after.
There is the time where Suletta felt written like MCU female MC.
I think her getting disqualified for using beams outside of school regulation would have been a much better way to show how her desperation to hold on to certain things is hurting her and those around her. It would have also been a much more organic kill switch if Aerial powered down because of some school software kicking in but they wanted to go for the dramatic break up so it is what it is.
Personally, Suletta need a combat rival.
At first i expected the either Sophia or Norea would it. but they decide to killed one and shelved the other quickly.
This is why i rather have her lose to Guel properly first, to not just show the bottom of her mentally but also combat skill. Again it's can still work the same.
Hell i would argue that if she properly lost to Guel, it would make the fencing duel far more important and had much more weight to it.
I really don't see why people need to see SULETTA MERCURY LOSES in the ingame duel thing to refuse to acknowledge the fact that she herself needed to be bailed out by her teammates there and that she did lose the fight, just her teammates with their smart thinking won the duel.
What's the point, now we know if Chuchu didn't take the shot Aerial would just magically go to score 8 and turn off all the Grassley MS
so basically she is the Female version of Egg-kun, got it.
No, the the dialogue implies that Eri is actively feeding her information to predict enemy movement and she also says she wants to help Miorine "together" with Aerial
She can hold herself well against Sophie and Norea, because they’re child terrorists with no formal military training meanwhile suletta has a few years of experience and and a few months of formal MS piloting education
But Sophie didn't even get killed by her are you dumb? She literally died because of Eri, Suletta couldn't even shoot her down herself.
>couldn't
She didn't want to
Suletta didn’t want to “beat” Sophie and norea cause she didn’t want to kill them which is why I say “hold her own” Both times she fights Sophie she’s pleading with Sophie to stop it. Sophie dies from going to too high of a permet score
The debt is meaningless in G-Witch just like most of the fluff. They just say it but it never has an impact on the show.
Meanwhile in the original Gundam people were getting killed just trying to get supplies to White Base, and there were several battles where they couldn't even sortie everything due to repair issues or supply issues.
> bring more and more advanced Mobile suits
the only time they ever have anyone change suits is Guel. And he does it exactly once and she still wins handily. Both Grassley and Peil start with their best foot forward and get bodied.
Everyone in this show are "the best of the best" the scions are the top 3 duelists in the school. And the rest of the top 10 bracket is made up of grassley people. She ONLY fights the best of the best. And still never loses.
She spent her first seventeen years of life in a mobile suit wienerpit, anon. She was beating Elnora's simulator scores by *age six*.
>Being 2nd place in a combat simulator on a sparsely populated backwater planet with no young people
Is this really much of a proof?
He has a penis so it's okay! If a female character does anything of note it's a Mary Sue as they lack a penis.
To be cute and make GUND-ARM promo videos.
Suletta would have been a much better character if she wasn't the protag.
Like, not even saying Guel should of been (which he should of), Even Mio could of been the Gundam protag trying to save Suletta from her mother.
>Suletta would have been a much better character if she wasn't the protag.
The problem isn’t that she’s the protagonist, the problem is that she’s a lesbian and defined ONLY by that and little else.
>she’s a lesbian and defined ONLY by that and little else.
Proofs?
Can you list any other notable traits Suletta has outside of being a lesbian?
Try it for Lauda too, what else is there to his character besides just being a flaming homosexual brocon?
Well to begin with she's not even a lesbian. Also you're not going to rope me into fighting for lauda.
>Ruins your Gundam
These character designs are really bad
Needs more Whites/Asians and thin women.
Chuchu is alright. Maybe fatty for a certain kind of pervert. Otherwise they are boring as frick.
fatties are the worst.
Also for Not Psy named Kenanji?
>What was the purpose of this character?
what if Lalah was Char's daughter and then he kept her ghost in a mobile suit? what if Char cloned Lalah and used her for his goals but she got an opportunity to meet the most important person of her life sooner? So much of Gundam is children being used as tools, Sulettea is a tool being reborn into a person with agency. her original being literally turned into a tool should have hammered this into you
>plot
oh ok you're a fricking moron, comprehension is impossible. idk go complain about plotholes or filler or Black folk and gays or some shit
>what if
Stopped reading right there.
Miorine's reaction to the splat is so moronic too, people talk about Tomino dialogue and then go silent when this overly melodramatic bullshit plays.
Whats wrong with her reaction?
It's not natural.
I didn't understand a shit about the plot, I don't know why characters complot about each other.
I'm only watching it because Miorine is hot as frick.
Gwitch peaked with the sunbed nuke episode and has been on a sharp decline ever since. What happened?
too much pandering to real gundam fans and not enough to yurigods.
>sunbed nuke
What?
>she didn't contribute
>dominates the entire dueling scene for 15 episodes straight
>becomes Miorine's bride getting the keys to the castle
She changed characters around her for the better time and time and time again. Redeemed characters like Guel, almost saved El4n, showed Shaddiq he was an arrogant hypocrite.
Just because she didn't solve larger issues or destroy whole governments doesn't mean she did nothing. You should have known the ride you were in for when it was established she has a "list" of things she wants to do whilst she was at school. She sees the world through a fresh set of unbiased eyes, everyone else is cynical trapped and miserable.
So she’s just a saint basically?
Worse, she's just an innocent human girl with a death machine that couldn't be stopped.
If anything it just further contributes to how over powered as frick Eri and Aerial are.
>What was the purpose of this character?
There was none, save for merchandising
Sophie and Norea a cute, CUTIES!!!!!1!
NEWTYPES AREN'T REAL THEY ARE A HOAX STOP QUESTIONING!
According to Gundam X, yes
Flavor of the month/year yuribait and waifu
>The Tempest = Data Storm
>Prospero = Prospera
>Arial = Aerial
>Caliban = Calibarn
Bravo Gandamu
>or was it just a euphemism
I doubt it, trying to cure space aids has been the closest thing to a thematic through-line for the entire show. The effects of space in G-Witch are presumably the same as the effects of space in real life, Asticassia is a 'Front' with artificial gravity and protection from the suns death rays, presumably the students, being essentially the elite of society, were also raised on such places, Folkvanger was also a Front which is why Eri was completely fine in the prologue. The show hasn't been forthcoming enough with locations and technology to really speculate much on distances between earth and whatever lagrange point they're situated at but the trip from earth to the school for instance does not seem to take more than a few days.
At most, the Gund tech seems to be for prosthetic limbs, as opposed to handling organ replacements or something along those lines. It's weird how not even background characters in other space locations have seemed visibly affected by living in space.
In Vanadis Heart they do seem to want to use gund tech to cure a disease, just it never got to that point after Delling robbed them of that future
A disease still doesn't seem related to space though.
No, but space can be the cause of said disease
Diseases tend to be biological though.
While true, even in real life there’s genuine health risks from being in space.
Either way though, GUND was never fully realized, although the boy in Vanadis heart seems to think the goal was for people to have fully GUND robotic bodies, which is a interesting concept, but he could be entirely wrong since he seems a bit silly
Those health risks from space don't tend to be diseases though, but instead changes to bone density and length, blood flow, etc.
>he doesn't know about Space AIDS
The end goal of Gund is full on transhumanism, cardo herself has brain implants.
gwitch is brilliant it doubled down on lesbians having absolutely fricking toxic relationships and fans are oblivious and are shipping harder and harder each ep
There's literally nothing to even indicate they are gay for eachother but of course yurigays will eat it right up and pretend they'll kiss and marry, just two more episodes!
>There's literally nothing to even indicate they are gay for eachother
This. Not a single scene in the entire show is romantic. Even the girls in Saki playing Mahjong are more in love.
Nope, apart from the nameless dudes in those diagrams and pictures during prologue, the ONLY character to die from "I can't believe it's not Vagan" syndrome just COINCIDENTALLY happens to be the same baby who won the genetic lottery to be able to synchronise with data storms
>Suletta is the bestest witch in the whole wide world who can make an axis sho- I mean Elevated Permit Score by piloting 4 gundams at once so long as her equally ubermensch sister is smiling at her
>Consequences? I know! she'll be crippled from the leg down... but not for too long, she'll go back to normal like it never happened
>Without any lasting emotional effect or general somberness from this experience whatsoever
>What was the purpose of this character?
Blank slate Cyber-Newtype MC who realizes that she shouldn't blindly follow MommyChar's programming and decides on what's the right way to protect her family and friends on her own and not taking "no" for an answer. Truly the most chad female pilot in non-UC Gundam.
Isn't that because she's literally the only one lol.
Anyways this show was shit, the art was shit, most of the suit designs were shit and practically all the characters were shit.
>Isn't that because she's literally the only one lol.
The only what? Female pilot? There's been tons of female pilots in Gundam.
>most of the suit designs were shit
The only bad ones were the Michaelis and the basic grunts minus Demi-Barding.
I guess I mean animated non UC ones. Also I can't the number of "good" suit designs on my right nut
Easily the worst MC in the series bar none, bland character and obscenely overpowered with her Gundam
I pray that whoever wrote this gets ousted and never allowed near the series again as it's only attracted shit eating morons like the "tanuki" and yurigays
What, you mean you don't like a character who doesn't develop for 20 episodes?
Nope
oh lol smugler
Its really awful on all levels, literally only held up by twitter troons
I unironically hope that the new reading policy stays so that morons can stay away from the series, if they have any real interest they'll seek it out themselves and incorporate seamlessly
Here's another for (You)
reading policy?
Tldr Elon made a rate limit for reading tweets meaning that exposure to anything is reduced by a ton
Elon is a complete lobotomite but less Twitter in the world is good for everyone so this was a happy little accident
>I unironically hope that the new reading policy stays so that morons can stay away from the series,
It truly is shit, fortunately I didn't waste my time with it, just randomly checked in and saw it was still shit
Gundam has never been known for its nuanced MCs.
Just because Sneed was different doesn't mean the same for the series
The greatest amount of "character development" Suletta got was sorta saying no to Prospera and realizing she's full on dyke.
Never got this opinion. Episode 1 Suletta is a completely different character
Outside of following Prospera, not really. She’s exactly the same kind and caring person the was at the start. She has always been considerate and the only change is that she learned her mom might be wrong sometimes so instead of thinking mom is right, she decides who she thinks is right and follows them. As a character, outside of the plot she hasn’t really changed and what I mean by that is take someone like Setsuna, even outside of the plot in S2, he’s still a very changed person compared to S1 but Suletta’s personality the entire way through was exactly the same. The only ones who really changed in that department were Delling from the prologue, Guel, and maybe El5n.
Suletta is pretty different even beyond who she thinks is right, I mean for starters she's much more confident in herself and can actually speak her mind without autistically dropping her spaghetti and getting up and actually doing things like helping the students post attack, she's even running schools now, episode 1 Suletta wouldn't have been able to do any of that shit.
The bigger problem isn't even if shes a different person, is that there's not enough time specifically spent with Suletta now to show her differences.
Yes she would have? The entire reason the first duel happened is because, even when she was a stuttering moron, she still stood up for other people. She wasn’t a confident speaker at first but she still did have her moments of confidence and she could speak normally when she was comfortable. The only change is she does it more often now. She hasn’t learned anything outside of getting enough experience to know mom isn’t always right.
>The bigger problem isn't even if shes a different person, is that there's not enough time specifically spent with Suletta now to show her differences.
There aren’t any. Suletta was a catalyst for change in other characters, she herself never needed to change her actual personality or her selfless nature, she just redirected it to a better place.
You are out of your mind if you can't see the difference between Suletta "challenging" Guel in ep1 and Suletta challenging Guel when they meet again.
Both times she did it because she wanted to help someone else out or it was her doing what someone she cared for wanted her to. Nothing about Suletta’s selflessness changed outside of how well she could aim it due to discarding her mindset about prospera.
>helping the students post attack, she's even running schools now, episode 1 Suletta wouldn't have been able to do any of that shit.
Suletta already worked in crisis management from before the series in Cradle Planet. Her finally applying that skill doesn't indicate character development at all, if anything it's falling on old muscle memory. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Rescuing people with Aerial, which was already established to be her safe place is nowhere the same thing as saving people from rubble with your bare hands.
But she literally slapped Guel’s ass in an unfamiliar place because he was a threat to someone she wanted to help, she’s always been like that in or out of Aerial.
Then cowered immediately afterward behind people, meanwhile now that you mention it, they specifically showed a similar scene where instead Felsi was cowering behind Suletta while she wasn't afraid of being somewhere she clearly shouldn't be.
She still slapped his ass to save someone else and when it came to it she stood her ground when necessary? She cowered behind immediately after but once again when it came time that she needed to step up she did.
Actually it was when Secilia asked her if she's changed and she turns to face the viewer and says "I guess so"
It only took until the last 5 episodes of the anime for the sheltered child character attending school to learn something. Truly one of the character developments of all time
>realizing she's full on dyke
when? she was forced onto miorine and just went along with it because she doesn't know any better and is too moronic to do something about it
Because only an Eri clone has a Permet score high enough to pilot Aerial and awaken Ericht.