I was rooting for Chrissy more than Adrianna. If he went with her he could have had a legit chance at some peace.
Chrissy was a moron, he could never make it out of the mob.
they were both moronic, there was a point in their lives where chrissy had his successful movie and was teetotalling while adriana had a bar, chris could have quit the mob then and they'd live happily ever after making crappy mob flicks
>his successful movie
The movie that was financed by the mob and written by Crissy's writing "friend" who was intimidated by the mob into working for free.
This scene really hit women hard. They have no stomach to view violence against women or rape scenes. It was the moment I realised you can't enjoy cinema with women, only men. Same goes for standup comedy.
nta but Terrifier exists in a media space where it gets a pass due to it being extreme at its core. That goes for all slasher and torture porn films as well. The handful of times people complain about stuff like that leads to them being told to frick off. Frustratingly, there exists a very large gray area between those spaces and what is considered the safest and most politically correct. Meaning, any media thar falls into that gray threshold will cause people to flip their shit depending on how things are framed, and does come off as frustrating and hypocritical.
Why weren’t the FBI able to bug inside of the crazy horse office? They know mobsters talk business there and drug deals have happened inside the place. They really thought Tony and others would talk business directly in front of her, as if. Wiring her wouldn’t do shit
Christopher was the only crew member who talked openly about his criminal life with woman. She was unironically the best mobwife they could have bugged.
Any place they publicly own or frequent would be bugged. Just look at the Gotti case, the guy just couldn't keep his mouth shut.
Now whether or not these blanket wire taps should even be a thing is a totally different conversation. I find them far too lenient and granted far too often.
In an effort to "get" the mob, some rather fascist laws were pushed through. The rationale being it was only to be used against organized crime, naturally until it isn't.
Its not the only surveillance being used. Three guys going into a place and then having them on audio just wouldn't work saying oh that isn't me.
It's layers of evidence, that's why defense lawyers always go after the warrants. If that warrant can be invalidated then everything remotely associated to it could be called into question and possibly thrown out.
There are multiple videos out there, not just one. That's why it's called evidence. Of course, if there are doubts about the authenticity of the video, additional procedures will be ordered to check that the video is not edited, not fraudulent... But you can't say on every video that it's not you. Someone saw you. Someone will testify. If you say once that it's not you in the video, and there is a witness who confirms the video, then all your further objections will be compromised (it works both ways). That's why lawyers realize you have to be very careful about what you deny. The best defense here is to only tell half the truth. Like, yeah, that's me on the video, yeah, I was in that bar with those people, but I didn't hear anything. I was drinking at the bar. I went to the bathroom. I wasn't there when they were discussing the crime. It plants doubts in the jury about that immediate guilt (and all people when judging are primarily compassionate, they're afraid to sue you more than you deserve - it's how psychology works; the jury mechanism is generally very questionable because they spend time together, try to be friends and try to seem like very nice guys to each other). And that's all the defense needs to do - sow doubt in the jury. And the prosecution will have to try to prove that you were involved in the crime, that you heard, that you knew. It's harder than just recording a video of you.
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>There are multiple videos out there, not just one.
>what's to stop people just saying "that's not my voice on the recording"?
In fact, that's what they saying.
That's why the court's got voice-recognition procedures and shit. If I remember correctly, when Junior was on trial, it also said they were paying voice recognition specialists too
Are you familiar with the Rico statues and how the letter of the law was manipulated and bent just to add some belt notches to the FBI and attorney generals office?
Look into it next time before making a douchebag comment like that
I don't think they thought of that.... They even made a sheep an undercover agent. What were they thinking? That Tony would discuss his criminal business with a sheep?
I don't think they thought of that.... They even made a sheep an undercover agent. What were they thinking? That Tony would discuss his criminal business with a sheep?
The law enforcement in the show was pretty fricking incompetent. It’s amateurish how they always get spotted so easily by Tony. Almost everything went Tony’s way. Even the bug they had in the basement was stupidly put in something as disposable and easy to move as a lamp. If Meadow never took that lamp, they’d get all sorts of juicy conversations
Oh, if you want to get into that...
I don't remember why they bugged the lamp. And I don't even know if it's legal to bug a portable device in a house with children.
But I do know that no one would have approved of recruiting a "civilian woman" after all their "snitches" died at the hands of the mob. It's just impossible to imagine. No one would allow her to be put at that risk, especially since she doesn't know shit and isn't connected to anything. And she wasn't even offered anything in fact - just manipulated. At any trial, her testimony would have been destroyed. It's like they knew in advance that she was going to be killed anyway.
Any act of recruiting someone for undercover work when it directly threatens their life is a very complicated procedure. It's one thing when you're recruiting direct members of the mafia - they're already facing jail time and it's actually a mutually beneficial exchange. But recruiting the girlfriend of a mobster? If it were possible, they'd just recruit all the prostitutes in Bada Bing.
>hey Adriana, we’ll let you tell Christopher, Tony’s fricking nephew that you’re working for the FBI >nothing can go wrong here, I’m sure he’ll flip >oh you’re not able to meet at the agreed upon time, that’s okay
The FBI was so goddamn terrible at protecting informants. Pinning their hopes on this was so stupid by them. They never once thought that Chrissy would tell Tony and off her.
>The FBI was so goddamn terrible at protecting informants. Pinning their hopes on this was so stupid by them. They never once thought that Chrissy would tell Tony and off her.
Yeah sure it was their idea for her to tell Chris and beg to run away. Fricking moron.
>But I do know that no one would have approved of recruiting a "civilian woman" after all their "snitches" died at the hands of the mob. It's just impossible to imagine. No one would allow her to be put at that risk, especially since she doesn't know shit and isn't connected to anything
She was running a mob front you fricking pseud
Jersey was a nothing burger, that's why the worst agents were assigned to it, at best they would have tried to use Tony to get to the New York families or further a politician's career.
Didn't take down shit. It was kinda the point that Black folk still killing each other over drugs and nothing really changed except cops and politicians getting promoted.
It's such a pointless jerk off with all those feds and cops. Due process doesn't protect innocent people from jail, it help criminals to avoid it. Biggest israelite lie in the world.
With the mob they made the risk too much compared to the reward and that's why the mob is swindling. Or rather doing white collar crime which no one cares about. The thing about gang drug crime as depicted in The Wire is that no one really cares about it as it's done in black ghetto neighbourhoods. And in those neighborhoods Black folk really have nothing but to go into that world. Police action is treated as mere political play.
If Tony went to trial, with Carlo flipping, do you think he’d lose the trial? Carlo can give them the fat dom murder, the burial site, and all sorts of business deals
>What was the reaction on Cinemaphile when this happened?
there were morons that unironically thought adriana survived because "they didn't show her getting killed"
My reaction:
Was Cinemaphile a thing in 04 and 05?
no
Cinemaphile was one of the many boards created in 2006.
why would you watch tv when you could watch anime?
beginning of the end tbh
I was posting on Cinemaphile in 1998 on my parent’s Gateway computer using dial up. You newbies really don’t understand that you’re here for life.
Me? I laughed.
Only simps care about Adriana, she got what she fricking deserved.
I was rooting for Chrissy more than Adrianna. If he went with her he could have had a legit chance at some peace.
>Chrissie doing a real job
Sounds like the premise of a sitcom
Chrissy was a moron, he could never make it out of the mob.
I mean her biggest sin was just being fricking moronic. I don’t think she ever had any real ill intent
It's worse than having ill intent.
they were both moronic, there was a point in their lives where chrissy had his successful movie and was teetotalling while adriana had a bar, chris could have quit the mob then and they'd live happily ever after making crappy mob flicks
>his successful movie
The movie that was financed by the mob and written by Crissy's writing "friend" who was intimidated by the mob into working for free.
my mom recently watched the Sopranos and she refused to continue after this
This scene really hit women hard. They have no stomach to view violence against women or rape scenes. It was the moment I realised you can't enjoy cinema with women, only men. Same goes for standup comedy.
What the frick are you talking about? Explain why the Terrifier is so popular among women.
nta but Terrifier exists in a media space where it gets a pass due to it being extreme at its core. That goes for all slasher and torture porn films as well. The handful of times people complain about stuff like that leads to them being told to frick off. Frustratingly, there exists a very large gray area between those spaces and what is considered the safest and most politically correct. Meaning, any media thar falls into that gray threshold will cause people to flip their shit depending on how things are framed, and does come off as frustrating and hypocritical.
Nobody outside of Cinemaphile knows or cares what this is
Did you ever been on tiktok?
Good morning sir.
My mom enjoyed it all
>What was the reaction on Cinemaphile when this happened?
GOO GOOO GAAA GAAA
Why weren’t the FBI able to bug inside of the crazy horse office? They know mobsters talk business there and drug deals have happened inside the place. They really thought Tony and others would talk business directly in front of her, as if. Wiring her wouldn’t do shit
Christopher was the only crew member who talked openly about his criminal life with woman. She was unironically the best mobwife they could have bugged.
Any place they publicly own or frequent would be bugged. Just look at the Gotti case, the guy just couldn't keep his mouth shut.
Now whether or not these blanket wire taps should even be a thing is a totally different conversation. I find them far too lenient and granted far too often.
In an effort to "get" the mob, some rather fascist laws were pushed through. The rationale being it was only to be used against organized crime, naturally until it isn't.
Honest question: what's to stop people just saying "that's not my voice on the recording"?
Its not the only surveillance being used. Three guys going into a place and then having them on audio just wouldn't work saying oh that isn't me.
It's layers of evidence, that's why defense lawyers always go after the warrants. If that warrant can be invalidated then everything remotely associated to it could be called into question and possibly thrown out.
>they put together a video of me walking into a building with a recording of an actor impersonating me. That ain't me
Yeah, have fun with that defense.
There are multiple videos out there, not just one. That's why it's called evidence. Of course, if there are doubts about the authenticity of the video, additional procedures will be ordered to check that the video is not edited, not fraudulent... But you can't say on every video that it's not you. Someone saw you. Someone will testify. If you say once that it's not you in the video, and there is a witness who confirms the video, then all your further objections will be compromised (it works both ways). That's why lawyers realize you have to be very careful about what you deny. The best defense here is to only tell half the truth. Like, yeah, that's me on the video, yeah, I was in that bar with those people, but I didn't hear anything. I was drinking at the bar. I went to the bathroom. I wasn't there when they were discussing the crime. It plants doubts in the jury about that immediate guilt (and all people when judging are primarily compassionate, they're afraid to sue you more than you deserve - it's how psychology works; the jury mechanism is generally very questionable because they spend time together, try to be friends and try to seem like very nice guys to each other). And that's all the defense needs to do - sow doubt in the jury. And the prosecution will have to try to prove that you were involved in the crime, that you heard, that you knew. It's harder than just recording a video of you.
>There are multiple videos out there, not just one.
>"each one as fake as the last. That ain't me!"
It's not like that's all I wrote.
>source: trust me, bro
>what's to stop people just saying "that's not my voice on the recording"?
In fact, that's what they saying.
That's why the court's got voice-recognition procedures and shit. If I remember correctly, when Junior was on trial, it also said they were paying voice recognition specialists too
it was elevenlabs. case dismissed.
>le heckin fascism
Reddit is that way.
Are you familiar with the Rico statues and how the letter of the law was manipulated and bent just to add some belt notches to the FBI and attorney generals office?
Look into it next time before making a douchebag comment like that
I don't think they thought of that.... They even made a sheep an undercover agent. What were they thinking? That Tony would discuss his criminal business with a sheep?
Thats a goat.
The law enforcement in the show was pretty fricking incompetent. It’s amateurish how they always get spotted so easily by Tony. Almost everything went Tony’s way. Even the bug they had in the basement was stupidly put in something as disposable and easy to move as a lamp. If Meadow never took that lamp, they’d get all sorts of juicy conversations
Because Agent Harris was working for the mob and undermining the agency's efforts against New Jersey.
Oh, if you want to get into that...
I don't remember why they bugged the lamp. And I don't even know if it's legal to bug a portable device in a house with children.
But I do know that no one would have approved of recruiting a "civilian woman" after all their "snitches" died at the hands of the mob. It's just impossible to imagine. No one would allow her to be put at that risk, especially since she doesn't know shit and isn't connected to anything. And she wasn't even offered anything in fact - just manipulated. At any trial, her testimony would have been destroyed. It's like they knew in advance that she was going to be killed anyway.
>source: trust me, bro
Any act of recruiting someone for undercover work when it directly threatens their life is a very complicated procedure. It's one thing when you're recruiting direct members of the mafia - they're already facing jail time and it's actually a mutually beneficial exchange. But recruiting the girlfriend of a mobster? If it were possible, they'd just recruit all the prostitutes in Bada Bing.
>hey Adriana, we’ll let you tell Christopher, Tony’s fricking nephew that you’re working for the FBI
>nothing can go wrong here, I’m sure he’ll flip
>oh you’re not able to meet at the agreed upon time, that’s okay
The FBI was so goddamn terrible at protecting informants. Pinning their hopes on this was so stupid by them. They never once thought that Chrissy would tell Tony and off her.
>The FBI was so goddamn terrible at protecting informants. Pinning their hopes on this was so stupid by them. They never once thought that Chrissy would tell Tony and off her.
Yeah sure it was their idea for her to tell Chris and beg to run away. Fricking moron.
>But I do know that no one would have approved of recruiting a "civilian woman" after all their "snitches" died at the hands of the mob. It's just impossible to imagine. No one would allow her to be put at that risk, especially since she doesn't know shit and isn't connected to anything
She was running a mob front you fricking pseud
Jersey was a nothing burger, that's why the worst agents were assigned to it, at best they would have tried to use Tony to get to the New York families or further a politician's career.
She refused to let them big crazy horse she said “you’re not bugging my place”
After seeing the cops in the Wire take down the Barksdale crew, I’m positive McNulty, Lester, and Freeman could take down Tony’s crew easily
Yeah. Because all the phones were tapped, all their meetings were recorded. Day, night. Every place would be under watch.
Didn't take down shit. It was kinda the point that Black folk still killing each other over drugs and nothing really changed except cops and politicians getting promoted.
It's such a pointless jerk off with all those feds and cops. Due process doesn't protect innocent people from jail, it help criminals to avoid it. Biggest israelite lie in the world.
With the mob they made the risk too much compared to the reward and that's why the mob is swindling. Or rather doing white collar crime which no one cares about. The thing about gang drug crime as depicted in The Wire is that no one really cares about it as it's done in black ghetto neighbourhoods. And in those neighborhoods Black folk really have nothing but to go into that world. Police action is treated as mere political play.
How the frick did the FBI not get any valuable info from a capo in Ray?
they did, but they waited too long to get a strong case
If Tony went to trial, with Carlo flipping, do you think he’d lose the trial? Carlo can give them the fat dom murder, the burial site, and all sorts of business deals
Irrelevant, he died in the diner.
>Carlo can give them the fat dom murder
What? He basically did that himself without Tony's knowledge at all.
I felt sorry for Adriana (and somewhat for Christopher)
Christopher was a low impulse shithead for so long but s6 did a good job of making you feel for him
I could tell you the reaction on Totse.
Is The Departed the most accurate mobster movie? At least in the '00s.
>What was the reaction on Cinemaphile when this happened?
there were morons that unironically thought adriana survived because "they didn't show her getting killed"
Or maybe she was already dead? Like all of them.