What was the worst creative decision in Star Wars?
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What was the worst creative decision in Star Wars?
What was the worst creative decision in Star Wars?
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Assuming that the humiliation of Luke Skywalker is too low-hanging fruit, then everything about Holdo's character.
>you're wrong because the plot needs you to be humbled but not say anything too stupid because we need people to buy your toys
>well of course I can just make up a new suicide attack manoeuvre that you'd think would be a really obvious idea and would break all the rules of warfare if it worked, but I did it first because I'm just that good
>let's have a frumpy purple-haired tumblr insert played by Laura Dern tell Poe that he's an idiot because he's male
>what could possibly go wrong?
The holdo suicide attack is just so mind bogglingly stupid it just destroys any coherency the Star Wars universe could have, I don't think you can actually do worse than just create a plot hole so massive that it removes all meaning from past movies.
Rey mind tricking people by accident and Han exiting hyperspace in atmosphere are just as bad
I mean, yeah that's awful but rendering moot all military conflicts past, present or future in one scene? Now that's some special strong bullshit I haven't seen very often.
It really is mind-boggling.
What do you call it when you laugh and cringe at the same time?
I know there's no reason it couldn't, but hair dye existing in the Star Wars universe just feels dumb to me.
yeah wild hair color should be something reserved for alien species
>general dyes her hair and doesn’t wear a uniform
>bored of peaceful culture so she dyed her hair and wore colors
>Patriatic
lol what the frick does this even mean in a galactic civilization? Women are so fricking moronic
~~*Weitz*~~
can't believe i even got past the first paragraph
>hated her homeworld
>was patriotic
???
She's patriotic in the safe liberal way, which means she hates her people but loves the multinational ineffectual regime (the new republic).
>Holdo also enjoyed studying astrology
Confusion, surely?
>demands to be obeyed without question
>refuses to elaborate or answer questions in a straight forward method if at all
Well, they certainly know how to write entitled c**ts.
pic related is the planet she's from btw.
I want to hatefrick Admiral Holdo, film it, and use it to blackmail her into giving me my own spaceship. Then frick her a few more times because she's pretty hot for an old lady.
Not to mention the “Mindlessly obey authority” was something the movies condemned, especially in The Force Awakens. Y’know. The previous movie before Last Jedi.
It's so weird because it's so easily correctable. You can't have Poe suspected of being a spy because it wouldn't make sense considering all he did in the previous movie, but even some mention of a spy or infiltration would have sufficed enough for general audiences to shrug off her tight lipped nature. Better yet, work in something about Leia confiding in her about some suspected Snoke ability where he can detect intents or something and establish that he's more likely to sense their plan if more people know about it. It's just insane that they made her so standoffish and decided they didn't need to justify it in any way whatsoever. And then the lesson about blind obedience rather than an emphasis on trust in a film series about rebellion. And top it off with Poe actually liking her plan when he finds out and Holdo confiding that she thinks he's a little cutie pitutie like she's some schoolgirl bullying her crush. Christ.
woah there buddy
creating motivations?
thinking through plot points and making realistic setups that pay off?
We just dont do that anymore and thats a good thing!
That and the plan in universe is stupid, if you had all the elements of the holdo manueaver why would you wait until they destroy most of your fleet? Take out the tracking ship and jump if they follow do it again.
Fricking moronic movie.
Why had no one built a large bullet with a hyperdrive inside of it?
>waaah the holdo maneuever waaaah
they already explained in episode 9 that it was a 1 in a million chance, stop pretending it somehow invalidates all space battles in star wars
WHY is it a one in a million chance? You can't say that without explaining why it is so hard to do and why none of the countless mega smart automated Droid ships or countless terror groups in star wars never figured it out
>they already explained in episode 9 that it was a 1 in a million chance
The very same movie shows that someone pulls off a Holdo Maneuver a second time. The writers invalidated their own retcon in the same movie that they introduced it.
lol did they really do it twice?! I only watched it once and wont watch it again
>b-but they did moronic damage control
Doesn't matter. Still happened. Was still moronic at the time. Throwing in a lazy excuse in the next movie doesn't help, it just makes the writing look even worse. It's not believable that it was one in a million because if it was, Holdo would have been an absolute moron for even attempting it when literally anything else would have had a .999999 chance of being more effective. Not to mention such odds could surely be increased if they put the resources into perfecting the maneuver using computer systems to calculate the distance and timing.
Launch a salvo of hyperdrive equipped ramming drones, rush enemy ships at sublight speed, active hyperdrive seconds before impact, have exceptionally high probability of kill. I could have conquered the entire galaxy of homosexuals, fem-jedi, and muppets with this one simple technique.
I think it says a lot about how bad the franchise has gotten in the last few years that this scene doesn't get brought up as much as when it first aired.
It's one thing to come up with a new tactic that completely revolutionizes (read: trivializes, makes pointless, etc) battles, it's another entirely if that tactic is never employed ever again. Like, there's literally no reason in having large fleets of giant capital ships if a single suicide vessel entering hyper space can just obliterate all of them. The death stars become totally pointless too.
Because the writers are total hacks and they need to handwave why it'll never happen again (when everyone knows it's because any fan with a brain understands how badly it breaks the entire story). Line up with a big ship, go to hyper space, the end. If it's so hard because of accuracy or whatever just have multiple smaller suicide craft do it at the same time. They've already shown in the canon you can hyperspace fairly accurately.
>What was the worst creative decision in Star Wars?
no, that would be turning over the whole thing to a talentless femtard
My first thought.
what the frick is that?
Ignorance is bliss
New Takeshi's castle
The end credits for “Buckaroo Banzai.”
A group of people who are very concerned about rear visibility when cruising the desert-(planet) in their low-rider (hover)-scooters
I don't get it.
deciding to make a sequel trilogy
Nah, he's grown on most people. Especially after New Star Wars
That picture is fricking terrible
>from LEGENDARY DIRECTOR, Robert Rodriguez
It do be looking like spy kids tho
I like how you can tell whoever came up with those gay scooters just got into The Who and/or their album Quadrophenia.
midichlorians. the force was a mystery now it's but a gimmick.
>midichlorians
Wrong. These are extremely kino. We just didn't get George's (PBUH) sequel trilogy where he explains they are actually tiny spaceships filled with tiny little guys.
This. Before, using The Force was presented as a way of mind but now it&s just lol no how much mitochondria you have or don't
Anon, everything midichlorians did was to add some cool sci-fi tone to previously pure fantasy nature.
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They didn't make The Force any less mysterious, but instead enriched the councept with cool detail.
lol, trying to go from fantasy to sci fi is cringe as frick. Imagine if star trek went to fantasy, would that that enrich the concept?
>if star trek went to fantasy, would that that enrich the concept?
Anon...
if you want to say star trek isn't sci-fi then nothing is sci-fi and all in the genre is just a shade of space/future fantasy
lmao. Star Trek DEFINITELY dropped the science part of science fiction.
It took something that was about self discipline and mastery of the jedi way of life, and boiled it down to be who your parents are, and what qui gon's scouter says about your power level.
>and what qui gon's scouter says about your power level.
kek, I hate George for this stupid fricking idea
>the force is strong in my family, my father has it, i have it, my sister has it
Clearly a genetic component.
except luke doesnt know shit about the genetics of it, he simply says this as a way to reveal to Leia that she is his sister
Most Jedi don't have force sensitive parents, but of course children of a powerful Jedi will also have the potential to be Jedi. Even outside of the movies, in Tales of the Jedi, before Midicholorians were a thing, Nomi and Andur Sundrider's daughter was also a powerful Jedi, and Cay and Ulic Qel-Droma were brothers.
Just goes to show George never understood his own movies.
In the first movie there’s nothing to suggest the force wasn’t a skill that anybody could develop with the right training and devotion. The fact that other characters are skeptical about it implies it’s at least partly a matter of faith. The fact is biologically determined force sensitivity is what we got, so who knows if a different interpretation would have been better.
Midichlorians are attracted to focal points of the Force, not vice versa.
A retcon written to rehab a shitty idea. Zoomers have no idea how much of the prequels were rewritten and reimagined in other material to make them more workable because they've grown up in a world where it was already done.
That doesn't change the fact the force was once something you had to work for, and something that wasn't measurable. It was this mystical, almost spiritual thing that a Jedi would have to achieve through spiritual struggle and monk like discipline. It's undermined by having a little kid who doesnt know what the force is be explicitly stated to have more raw force power than Yoda, and by making it quantifiable through the use of midichlorians.
I know where you’re coming from, but on paper, you could have the genetic potential to be the next MichaelJordan, but you’re still not gonna achieve that potential if you never touch the ball. Personally, I always thought the real mistake was them showing literal little kids at the Jedi Academy. They should have been tweens/early teens, more in keeping with how squires were accepted in medieval times. Star Wars was always intended to be an amalgam of Eastern/Western culture, after all.
Easy way to fix this is to just say they're attracted to force but don't cause the force. There, now they're just a way to measure power level which is all they were ever needed for as a plot device and not "lore ruining"
Should've just used a Force geiger counter like Kevin J. Analson in Jedi Academy
>Dragon Ball
Just remembered it has it's own version of this now https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/S-Cells
Fist of the North Star is the patrician shonen anyhow
Not surprising. I'm a fan of a bunch of manga but the japanese are hacks and they steal anything they think is cool from the western world because they used to get away with it.
iirc they rewrote goku origin to make it even more similar to superman for no reason at all
Idk about being "hacks" or "stealing", but yeah they are heavily influenced by the weat, America especially, even so using the old D&d shit they based their RPGs on, they can be pretty creative with the same/similar concepts, the isekai/general rpg inspired fantasy stories they shit out yearly, with minor twists to the formula, still blow modern western Tv, animation, and comics out of the fricking water hard as frick.
It's Heroin.
Qui gon was just grooming Anakin to be molested
>ill show you a midichlorian if you want
>its inside you...
>you are very special because you have the highest amount ive ever seen.
so uh
is there any good smutt of qui-gon railing the frick outta young anakin
The Last Jedi set the precedent for everything that has happened since.
It did. I can understand Rise of the Skywalker being worse because I've never seen it even for a minute, but even the beginning of The Last Jedi is incredibly cringeworthy and I had to fastforward the rest of it because I couldn't take it anymore.
I think The Force Awakens actually set the precedent for the terrible decision making of Disney Wars. So much of why TLJ is bad is because TFA is bad and set up so many terrible nonsensical plot threads that nobody could have unfricked into a satisfying story, especially as a middle chapter.
>first order is nonsensically powerful for an insurgency
>new republic disbanded their fleet because ???
>everything about starklller base
>snoke
>killing off han
>daisy ridley is a terrible actress and can't helm a movie
>carrie fisher sounds like she's speaking through a rusty sewer pipe after smoking 10 crates of smokes
>john boyega ESG jump scare as the first fricking character we saw of the new series
>finn's story about regretting killing undone by murdering his comrades' gleefully a few minutes later
There's just so many things wrong, you could go for hours analyzing every bad decision Abrams made. I can almost respect Rian Johnson's choice to just burn it all down instead of trying to make it actually work, knowing that if he did it would just be handed over to some other mouse lackey to do film 9. The burning of the sacred jedi texts and the tree is actually him telling the audience quite overtly what his intentions are and justifying it within the movie itself.
The best way to sum up Rian and TLJ for me is this
>Extremely respectable in making the movie he wanted to and telling the story he wanted to tell even with a corporation like Disney breathing down his neck
>Loses a lot of that respect when he couldn't take the criticism of the story like an adult, despite everything he's said with his past films, getting mad at the discourse surrounding it.
Oscar Isaac handled TLJ's criticism like a fricking pro. When he was told about the response to his plotline in the movie, he said that he was glad to at least see it started a debate around leadership, communication, et cetera, which is something you'd have expected Rian to say given how he typically talks about the kinds of movies he likes to create
order is nonsensically powerful for an insurgency
>>new republic disbanded their fleet because ???
about starklller base
Yeah, this. Disney is so creatively bankrupt that they clearly had no idea how to structure a new trilogy without rehashing the "underdog rebels vs oppressive empire" dynamic from the original trilogy. But this doesn't exist in a vacuum. The rebels already won at the endol of RotJ. The empire was defeated. To immediately go into the next movie where the "new empire" has already reformed and is already overwhelmingly powerful, and the new republic is once again reset back to being underdog rebels, you just make your new protagonists look like a bunch of incompetent losers. The new trilogy was built on this unstable foundation. No one wants to root for a bunch of incompetent frick ups who let a brand new empire reform right under their noses
Germany is sort of a historical parallel, where an empire that got militarily and economically crushed built itself back up under hyper-militaristic leadership and steamrolled everybody using advanced weapons developed in secret. The filmmakers didn’t do a competent job telling this story, though,
What’s fricking infuriating is that the way to handle it was right in front of the. You leave the New Republic out of it. Just set the action in territory *outside* the Republic. Make them cowards, or at least war-weary and perfectly willing to turn a blind eye to the abuses of an Imperial faction acting outside their boundaries. If the OT was essentially WWII in space, make the ST the Cold War in space.
>You leave the New Republic out of it. Just set the action in territory *outside* the Republic. Make them cowards, or at least war-weary and perfectly willing to turn a blind eye to the abuses of an Imperial faction acting outside their boundaries.
This seems to be how it was set up in TFA, but JJ I guess didn’t make it clear. But then Ruin Johnson explicitly writes TLJ around the idea that the entire Republic has just a few ships and they’re running out of space gas.
Does anyone else feel bad for Rian Johnson? The critique with TFA is that it's just a rehash of ANH so everybody assumed TLJ would just he a rehash of ESB. So he decided to instead "subvert expectations" it ended up stupid but at least it wasn't derivative unlike J.J.'s which are derivative AND stupid.
Though he didn't need to be a slug butthole about it of course.
remember before the film came out everyone saw this as a good thing, like OH SHIT the movie is gonna have an epic story for Snoke!!!!
No, he's an smug prick who makes bad movies why would I feel bad for him?
Brick is good.
It was "ok", came out 17 years ago and it has been shit since.
The problem with Rian is he thought he was smart when he’s actually really stupid.
>Does anyone else feel bad for Rian Johnson?
no. the dude got paid a shitload to do whatever he wanted with the movie and nobody stopped him. TLJ is exactly the fricking awful story he wanted to tell and exactly the type of storytelling that his moronic ass thinks is good
It's caps like this that confirm that a. He wasn't just trolling when he made that dumpster fire and actually thinks it's good and b. He's genuinely moronic and should never have been allowed anywhere near the franchise
I appreciate TLJ for trying to do something radically different with a Star Wars sequel after TFA played it as safe as corporately possible.
But I dislike it for how nonsensical the story beats are, how stupid the insistence on trope subversions was, how it suddenly twists into playing everything safe in the back half of the third act despite blowing up everything beforehand, and most of all I dislike it for the simple fact that the great majority of the film is just plain, old BAD.
You're trying to argue that eating diarrhea is better than swimming in a septic tank or vice versa, the point is that both are trash and you should choose neither
No. I hope he is dying slowly and painfully as we speak.
>The critique with TFA is that it's just a rehash of ANH so everybody assumed TLJ would just he a rehash of ESB.
Nobody thought this. We thought that Disney was playing it safe in the first movie but in the next one they were actually going to make something new.
>john boyega ESG jump scare as the first fricking character we saw of the new series
100% serious the theater I was in busted out laughing when his ape head popped up. They literally thought it was a gag.
Buying an IP for $7B and then not spending a lot of time and money to put together an elite writing room to architect the overarching story for the 3-movie sequel trilogy.
They actually did that though when they first got the property. They were interviewing and taking pitches from basically anyone who desired to do it.
>They actually did that though
no they didn't
>They were interviewing and taking pitches from basically anyone who desired to do it.
that doesn't contradict what he said
Star Wars was sold for $4 billion.
You probably posted it
There's a Walmart in star wars?
A Hot Topic too
You answered your own question, anon
Remaking A New Hope, except worse in every way. The First Order and Resistance are so goddamn lazy, frick you JJ. The rebels won in TLJ! Everything after should have been a new republic government with the empire becoming the under equipped guerrilla army. They don’t have the manpower for full on galactic conquest anymore so you have small groups of Imperial diehards staging small but impactful acts of terrorism across Coruscant.
*meant ROTJ not TLJ
TLJ or The Last Star Wars related media I watched.
>goofy designs from cat in the hat
And they STILL question why we call them man-children.
>Boba Fett is a serious quiet bounty hunter character
>So for his show lets have him team up with a gay motorcycle team dressed like they are at a pride parade
>Also add Lizzo, frick it.
Lizzo is in The Mandolorian, not the Boba Fett show.
As jabba's stunt double
Bobba Fett had the potential to be a sick mobster show. instead they turned Fett in to a goodie two shoes trying to act tough. they really fricked the pooch not making it a star-walk empire
Making anything after the OT.
It's amazing Kathleen Kennedy still has a job
if you care about star wars past the age of 18 you should be forcibly sterilized.
if you care about movies past the age of 22 you should be forcibly sterilized
hey, I'm not impregnating anybody
Not using George Lucas plan to have Darth Talon as the villain in the last trilogy
>Not using George Lucas plan
moron
the active and intentional decision to give han, luke and leia humiliating stories and deaths as a means of paving the way for the shitty new characters
>han abandons his newfound allies and his family, goes back to smuggling
>gets murdered trying and failing to make amends with his estranged son
>luke tries to murder his nephew in his sleep because he got a bad vibe and then abandons everybody out of hopelessness
>runs out of mana and then just fricking dies after pretending to fight someone somewhere else for people he didn't care about until 5 minutes ago
>leia sees thousands around her die in a seemingly endless war, her own son turns against her and sees sheev somehow return
>dies of cringe because her son is beating rey in a fight, never truly gets to see the rebel victory she spent her entire life fighting for
all they had to do was make jedi hogwarts featuring headmaster luke and star wars fans would have cum so hard that the jizz would have pierced 5 buildings adjacent to the movie theater
They're going to subvert expectations so much that eventually, they'll start just giving people what they want instead of all of this.
>they'll start just giving people what they want instead of all of this.
I think they think they're trying to do that with this new Ahsoka show. They're giving the fans of the Filoni shows live action Rebels.
Of course, there's not as many of those fans as they thought there were, and a lot of good will was burned with the Rey movies. Star Wars is a tainted brand, worth appreciably less than it was when they bought it.
Resetting the universe and making Luke a good Jedi with a school, Han and Leia not being bumbling morons and shitty parents, and making Sheev actually stay dead, isn't something they can do now even if they wanted to. (And they do not want to)
It's too late, you can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
>They're giving the fans of the Filoni shows live action Rebels.
A lot of Rebels fans wanted actual Rebels S5 actually animated with the actual voice-actors from the cartoon, and not some flat, bland cosplayers.
>They're giving the fans of the Filoni shows live action Rebels.
I think Ahsoka is significantly worse than Rebels, though. I don't care for Rebels much, but Ahsoka is just bad.
This.
>hiring an older roastie to replace that
I hate KK
>all they had to do was make jedi hogwarts featuring headmaster luke and star wars fans would have cum so hard that the jizz would have pierced 5 buildings adjacent to the movie theater
AI can’t improve quick enough
>>han abandons his newfound allies and his family, goes back to smuggling
>>gets murdered trying and failing to make amends with his estranged son
>>luke tries to murder his nephew in his sleep because he got a bad vibe and then abandons everybody out of hopelessness
>>runs out of mana and then just fricking dies after pretending to fight someone somewhere else for people he didn't care about until 5 minutes ago
>>leia sees thousands around her die in a seemingly endless war, her own son turns against her and sees sheev somehow return
>>dies of cringe because her son is beating rey in a fight, never truly gets to see the rebel victory she spent her entire life fighting for
these are all good writing
Making Leia the sister of Luke. Makes no sense in any kind of way and it adds nothing to the story aside from some really weird undertones to a couple of scenes involving her with Vader/Luke in the previous two movies.
Sure Star Wars got far worse later on but that was already the beginning of Star Wars becoming fricking moronic and everything and everyone having to be connected in some way. We're at the point were fricking Obi-Wan and Leia secretly had a bunch of adventures together IN LIVE ACTION before ANH happened.
yuuzhan vong
I don't get why people don't like them.
They're just kind of silly, and not in a good way. It doesn't really feel like they fit in with Star Wars all that well imo.
But granted, they're still better than Disney shite.
sounds more like a 40k race than a star wars race. But you are correct, it is better than anything yidsney has produced
They are an interesting concept. Could easily be turned into a good thing by a decent writter
Yuuzhan Vong are like if a writer who wants to write a Warhammer 40,000 story was forced to write a Star Wars story.
The NJO series is kino and I'm tired of you illiterate Cinemaphilelets pretending it's not.
wtf is that
Best character in the EU
Definitely not retcon-bait. To this day I hope that b***h Lumiya was just lying.
Rare species called The Fosh.
>homie thinks he's literate for consooming shitty star wars slop pulp
lmao
that show is so fricked up. hes literally enslaved, beaten, setup to die to some monster and then gets upset his captors and enslavers were killed. hes so upset, he blames random white nazi bikers for it with no proof and kills them in coldblood to avenge his slave masters and adopts their customs and ways with some stupid fricking stick for a weapon. fricking bizarre.
I might try and edit this onto daddario for science. I can't believe it hasn't been done
>Dead silence in the theatre
I love my c**try
Endor and the ewoks instead of Kashyyk and the Wookies. DS2 is fine with the latter. If they did not use DS2, it would have to have been at Coruscant.
Most of RotJ, especially the SECOND Death Star
Why the frick
The Chosen One prophecy is up there.
>What was the worst creative decision in Star Wars?
if George Lucas made this exact sequence in the prequels, so many people would be defending it.
obviously not the worst, but the whole rule of 2 thing was pretty dumb
i think it makes sense under certain considerations.
just to be blunt about it, the sith are only cool when there are barely any of them.
otherwise they just become a lame group of edgelords that are way too in the fold of galactic politics, see KotOR, see Brotherhood of Darkness, see Darth Krayt. the sith just do not work conceptually if they are known, even as a legend or a historical note, they do not work.
say what you will about the prequels but they at the very least understood this. the sith should only ever be something the jedi know about and even they should be able to question their existence.
adding onto this, the reason why the rule of two works imo is because its not really that strict. a sith lord can have and go through multiple secret disciples just so long as they eventually chose one as the true succesor. even the apprentice can train secret disciples, generally someone to aid in the overthrow of the master and become a new true sith. its essentially two main guys and a couple orbiters kept secret from the others normally
likewise it seems implied that the rule of two might not be a totally unbroken lineage. that it can die to some extent but gets picked up again through knowledge strategically left behind by previous masters. that said, the true sith seem to definitively be an evolved enough form where they are sort immune to stupid deaths. the rule of two acts sort of as a pressure to make the sith really really good at fighting for survival
I always thought of it less as a rule and more that they always betray each other, with the disciple and master cooperating before the student decides the master is no longer useful to him and he's learned all he needs, then picks his own successor who will inevitably do the same.
It's still somewhat moronic, but making it an official rule makes it even more moronic
The rule of two is a little silly, but I'm all for it considering the alternative is getting unthreatening not!Sith cannon fodder like pic related
whoever approved that bald head helmet should have been fired
If you consider it to be the worst decision, you might want to watch the Disney trilogy to lower the bar or just for a laugh
Everything from Return of the Jedi to now is bad with the exception of The Holiday Special. BTW where's my Star Wars Halloween Holiday Special?
Darth Vader is Luke’s father. Retcons the more interesting story established in the first film, establishes the “Skywalker saga” premise, galactic civil war is now just a proxy for family drama, leads directly to improbable universe-shrinking, Leia getting pointlessly retconned as Luke’s sister, the force being a genetic thing instead of a mysterious ancient power, and all resultant prequelshit.
How would a story like "just kill the bad guy to avenge my father" be more interesting than the epic space family drama we all know and love? You're just contrarian for the sake of it. Agreed about the rest tho.
I am being contrarian, but there still isn’t enough conversation about missteps in the OT leading to bigger problems down the road. It’s a classic scene and probably did its job as a shocking reveal. I can’t really say because I grew up in a world where Vader was always Luke’s father, like I assume everyone ITT did. I question if it’s an improvement over a SW where Luke had to defeat the mysterious dark lord who murdered his dad, the force remains an obscure ancient thing, Luke is still just a nobody from a backwater planet, the Skywalkers aren’t the central focus, we don’t have clumsy explanations about why Obi Wan lied about it, and the political/military conflict has a greater scope.
I think there's an argument to be made that Luke redeeming a Vader that isn't related to him beyond similar circumstances would have been a more interesting story. That said, ROTJ and its climax wasn't even a given when TESB was being written. At that point there was still the very real possibility of several more movies hence the line from Yoda. It's hard to speculate.
>the force remains an obscure ancient thing, Luke is still just a nobody from a backwater planet, the Skywalkers aren’t the central focus, we don’t have clumsy explanations about why Obi Wan lied about it, and the political/military conflict has a greater scope.
Apart from the Obi-Wan stuff, all this could still have been done while keeping the "I am your father" twist and, in fact, a lot of those problems are more so issues created by the prequels
Those are good points and I agree. The reveal did elevate the Skywalker lineage’s importance and ultimately paved the way for Anakin to get his own trilogy, or at least a trilogy without Anakin and Vader as different people.
>The reveal did elevate the Skywalker lineage
It made Luke's connection to Obi-Wan and the conflict more complicated, but I don't think it had to elevate the lineage itself. Vader in the OT is important because he was a Jedi traitor that helped kill the Jedi and keep the Empire in power. He isn't super-special by birth.
I think the prequels should have had a double twist of it being Obi-Wan who was really Luke & Leia's father because he had an affair with Padme and that contributed to Anakin's fall to the dark side.
>we don’t have clumsy explanations about why Obi Wan lied about it,
From a certain point of view, he didn't.
Luke's father was always a Jedi Knight, he always had SOME kind of heroic lineage, but he didn't become the scion of Space Jesus and a chosen one Obiwan and Yoda were specifically hiding in order to train until prequel retcons.
It wouldn't be so bad on it's own but it's the beginning of the universe revolving around anakin
I like the Vader/Anakin change. That said, Leia being Luke's sister and Anakin being a super-special Chosen One were both awful decisions.
Honorable mention
>Mention the clone wars once
>Create the most contrived setup imaginable using "all according to plan" justification rather than just have a war with clones
all of it except for the andor tv show
don't @ me
cope and seethe plebs
JJ Abrams.
>Kamikaze bonzai rams your vehicle before you can suicide yourself into preventing a giant laser from reaching your friends.
"Don't destroy the things we hate, protect the things we love."
>Giant laser destroys the only thing protecting your friends.
Bravo, moron Johnson.
Having the Rey be the main focus, it should have been Finn, or they could've been like co-leads. Personally I think it would've been interesting for Finn to be the mc, a former Stormtrooper is, or at least was full of potential for an interesting story, maybe having him either receive lightsaber training from someone, or even be self taught with it, and have his own technique/style of using it, he could even a modified one, that has extra shit like a blaster, kinda like Ezra did in the Rebels cartoon.
For Rey, not have her be May Rey Sue, and be teh bestest ever, and have her be train by better version of Luke, even if not exactly like the on in the EU, at least closer to that then the dogshit movie version, have him have been rebuilding the Jedi order, but his students being killed, or captured by the first order, or whatever the bad guys would be in this version. Obviously don't have it where somehow Palpatine has returned, and have Snoke, and preferably someone way more interesting, actually be relevant, and have their own goals, maybe be inspired by Palpatine or something, the Darth Vader stand in, or I guess just enforcer/muscle of the big bad, could be a former student of Luke's, one that was like an adoptive son to him. Oh yeah, Rey, she'd just be a normal level Jedi, no super special powers, no stupid diad shit, have actually be female equivalent of like, without trying to follow his origin, and end up being a dollar store knock off of it, like the actual movies have.
Rey not being the main focus, would hopefully exist alongside less yass queen, "the force is female" shit in general. Leia would be a source of support, and maybe have a teaching role too, I think it would interesting if maybe she uses the force different than Luke, more support oriented, so shit like sensing malice/true intent from people, being able to calm people, hell even have force healing, but its only good for minor wounds/injuries.
Damn, didn't mean for this to turn into me stating my own ideas, I think that's from this being the first time I ever sat down though about this shit before.
Finn basically becoming black Kyle Katarn (but with a Stormtrooper background from the get-go) was exactly what I was expecting, with him ending up using the lightsaber as much as he did in the first of the new trilogy.
And outside of the scuffed way they handled his decision to go AWOL and immediately turn into a quipper who has no trouble killing his own people, they still provided him a lot of room for character development considering he got his ass kicked every time he picked up said lightsaber. It was the perfect fricking setup.
>that has extra shit like a blaster, kinda like Ezra did in the Rebels cartoon
kys
If Finn had just been exactly what you'd expect a defecting stormtrooper to be, a disillusioned, bitter, badass yet completely naive of the galaxy and seeing the conflict from a completely different point of view now, and had him become a jedi through grit and determination then it would have been a great character.
Rey should have fallen to the dark side. You could have absolutely made a great story if she was the grand daughter of Sheev and started out innocent and ambitious and the plot armor afforded to her by her genetic power quickly led her to crushing any opposition with ease and expecting everyone to simp for her then getting enraged when things don't go her way or people call her out.
A role reversal between Finn and Rey over a trilogy would have been a good story. But instead there was no story at all.
>become a jedi
I kinda like the idea of him not being a Jedi, there's plenty of non-jedi badasses in the universe.
female jedis
WE GAAN
PUNCH IT
Gaan met die BANAAN
When I feed my baby I make airplane noises and swing the spoon around to get him interested then say "control to spoon, there is a BABY in the runway abort abort!" then swing the spoon down to his mouth saying WEEEE GAAN and he laughs and eats his yam puree
Based shitposter dad
> If I lay you down, will you cry?
> You're a big boy.
Outside of the the cheesy line, overuse of CGI, and terrible writing for Anakin, making a whiny c**t, I've heard the prequels also frick with lore established in the OT, and do dumb shit. Now this is 2nd hand, but I heard someone say, the OT talks about Obi Wan and Vader's relationship, more like they were old war buddies, of around the same age, or closer than the 16 year presented in PM. It's also supposedly stupid the Jedi wear those robes, Obi Wan as only wearing those in the OT because he was a desert hermit, and it was only fan service reasons the Jedi wear them in the PT.
The best decision was having a stormtrooper with a conscious. The worst decision was making him a clown.
How does that happen?
>let's tell a story about a stormtrooper with PTSD who deserts and resents the things the empire forces him and his comrades to do
>once he joins the party they forget about that and make him the generic goofy black guy
Hard to say. Maybe some higher ups felt uncomfortable with the Rey&Finn constellation and reduced his role to something safe. Wokeness hadn't fully infected them at that time.
continuing it past the original trilogy
Not Giving David Lynch the Ewoks
What was the point of the e woks anyway? It just seems like a pointless filler arc between following up on the cliffhanger and the final battles
They sang, they danced, they drank, they protected and they were fighters. Had Lynch done that instead of Dune and you'd understand their importance or you'd be an idiot
>What was the point of the ewoks anyway?
toys
They represented a people who were less technologically advanced beating an empire against the odds.
Basically they're a metaphor for the vietnam war. Also, they're cuddly teddy bears.
My dad works at Star Wars and he said they were supposed to be Wookies but they ran out of money.
They there to illustrate that when the Force is with you, you can’t lose.
to be less expensive than shipping in loads of tall men to play wookiees
leaving women anywhere near it
making a second movie
should have stopped at a new hope
Imagine if they took the old Bounty Hunter game and took inspiration from it, imagine if we got a Jango/Boba past/present story alternating between the 2.
Should have been a quiet, atmospheric survival type series.
Oh well.
>imagine if we got a Jango/Boba past/present story alternating between the 2.
Just this one sentence is already an infinitely more interesting concept than "what if Boba Fett became a crime lord on Tatooine"
1313 game? its too violent
Was it that hard to just make the New Order some conspiratory organization instead of a flat out Empire 2.0? It would work even better for their agenda.
Making anything after episode 6
Han Solo's name being given to him by an officer because he was alone. That was fricking moronic, not even the most bootlicking of disney shills have defended it. Han would not call himself something the empire made up for him. If you want to make Solo not his real name that's fine, but it should've been his own idea. It's worse because I actually liked that movie for the most part.
IMHO Solo's underrated in a lot of ways. It's a surprisingly decent film, especially considering the production history and disney's general incompetence when it comes to Star Wars. But yeah, there's a bunch of really dumb moments throughout that drag it down:
>the aforementioned naming scene
>Lando fricking his robot
>Lando's robot as a character in general
>Han getting absolutely everything that makes him Han Solo within the space of a single film
>Han ending up helping the rebels at the end, when his whole character arc in the original film is about him NOT wanting to help the rebels
>the random Darth Maul cameo
>Han getting absolutely everything that makes him Han Solo within the space of a single film
You know, I had this same issue with the flashback to Indie’s childhood in The Last Crusade. They should have left off with him getting the hat.
I thought rogue one was alright as well. Not fantastic but decent for a smaller scale adventure.
Either the special editions or making Vader the most important person in the entire universe by retconning him into being a prophesized messianic figure, ensuring that the entire franchise would only focus around the same dozen characters and their family members
>What was the worst creative decision in Star Wars
Women.
women are the best. im male but its only men who are mean and bully me
Abrams fundamentally ruined the sequel trilogy by rehashing the OT. That's why it feels like the old characters got shit on. It undoes all of their accomplishments.
The best thing to do now is just wash your hands and start over in a new era. There is an entire galaxy and eons of time to work with.
>webm
>Abrams fundamentally ruined the sequel trilogy by rehashing the OT.
He's complicit but I don't think he was the motive force of that decision. That was Disney's mission statement as soon as they decided to buy Lucasfilm and make more movies. He's responsible for a lot of the specific shittiness of TFA's terrible script, but a rehash was inevitable.
>ewoks
>jar jar
>darth maul
>nerfing grievous in rots
>ahsoka
>the entire clone wars itself
>everything after disney acquisition
it all just keeps going downhill from there
To destroy Luke Skywalkers character for some incredibly weak plot point in their incredibly badly thought out trilogy.
I've never seen any of the new Star Wars movies. Is there a decent one I should at least try out? I liked Andor.
Andor is a prequel to Rogue One. It's not as close to Rogue One in style as you might expect and I don't love Rogue One, but it's nevertheless the best of the new movies. Andor is much better though.
Giving Anakin a padawan.
the word padawan and stupid fricking rat tail israelite curl is the worst thing to happen to star wars
I mean, it's gotta be deciding to just wing a trilogy without planning it out beforehand. 90% of other terrible decisions can be traced back to that.
calling them Mods
how about another word that means the same thing so we can go oh its like mods from the 60s with blinged scooters.
everything else about them is fine and the slapstick chase through the town was entertaining as frick.
they even did the gag with two guys carrying an expensive large item in the path of the chase.
it was a painting of jabba
if you cant see the fun Rodriguez was having with this then frick off.
The decision to start sequels when no one asked for them.
Everything after May 25th, 1983.
those ridiculous mexican scooters . I think that was it for me. wtf were they thinking
Making a sequel and calling it Episode 5
Fire. Kathleen. Kennedy. Fire. Your. Writers. Stop. Writing. By. Committee. Dave. Filoni. Is. Overrated.
Consistently bring in gender (force is female)
I love dominant women, not because I'm submissive but because I'm autistic and they're direct with what they want.
>Ahsoka as a character
>Jake Skymilker
>The entirety of BoBF
>Reva
>The Inquisitors
>Shitty Trannie cartoons mattering
>The Force Awakens
>Han.... SOLO
Everything after Return of The Jedi
Pic related is actually really inconsequential compared to everything else posted in the thread, but I think it's what finally broke me. Before I was making excuses for them and thought they'd get it right next time. But this was the one. This is where my delusional optimism died.
making it all about light sabers and politics
I haven't watched nu-star wars but I bet they are 90% light sabers like the prequels
>I bet they are 90% light sabers
Even non force users are using lightsabers now. I know that star wars and lightsabers go hand and hand but not only does it not feel special to the audience, it feels ordinary and plan IN UNIVERSE. To the characters. None of the characters are impressed reacting to it.
Ewoks. If you look up the photos of the crowds for Star wars premieres in 70s and 80s it was 99% adults. But then George decided he wanted to sell more toys so he started promoting the series towards kids and the label stuck.
Not doing campy 80s girls scenes with Daisy in the first movie and then trying to claim girl power.