The executive, who came in after it was made, demanded huge cuts to the movie to get it under a certain time. After the team cut everything they could, they told him everything that was left was too essential to the movie to be cut.
The executive took the reel and began destroying scenes.
The final cut had some scenes where the quality will noticeably drop those were the cut scenes that were quickly redrawn.
No one will get to see the movie as it was intended to be seen
To be fair to Katzenburg nothing could have been added to the film to save it. The Black Cauldron was already a failure long before Katzenburg arrived and given the fact the Disney Renaissance only came about due to Katzenburg should pretty much prove his meddling wasn't what killed the film
Disney doesn't abandon IP ever, but at the same time, they're committed to burying the Prydain books into the earth forever to spite them for nearly killing Disney back in the 80s.
Nope. Disney made a movie about book #2 in the series of five, and then just fricked off. Granted, it's one of the better books of the series. I couldn't imagine if they made Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets as a representative of a whole series of books.
The animation, that's it. >Horned King looks cool but goes out like a b***h >three human heroes are utterly useless >most useful and interesting character is fricking GURGI, the comic-relief Ewok thing >Gurgi resurrected so there's no consequences
I honestly don't care much for the visuals, even though this continues to be one of the main talking-points. The character design is dull. The layouts are dull. The janky use of live-action effects just looks bizarre. The addition of widescreen adds nothing to the film. Backgrounds are mediocre, and Xerox still sucks. It does not successfully shake the fact that it's a dark age film by any serious means.
For every step forward, it took double steps backwards.
The backgrounds and atmosphere are spot on.
The bard was such a weird inclusion, he originally had an arc, but when that was cut, they should've cut the character.
I liked Taran's arc where he learned a hero doesn't just need a sword, but they could've done it without making Gurgi as annoying as he was.
Eilonwy breaking herself out and not being a classic damsel in distress was nice, but the movie doesn't really do anything else with her aside from some exposition.
It was censored even back in the day (actually lost scenes of the cauldron creating the undead, famously completed but cut) but this is what triggers you?
The animation is good most of the time. Horned King is an awesome antagonist, absolute unit who stole the show whenever he was on-screen, though I doubt he was faithful to the books. The witch trio were entertaining. Eilonwy is cute. The old bard whose name I forget was entertaining, too, probably my favorite character of the main group. The protagonist was vanilla, but he served his role.
Gurgi dying was a great move until they chickened out and brought him back to life.
>The Fox and the Hound >The Black Cauldron >The Great Mouse Detective >The Brave Little Toaster >Who Framed Roger Rabbit >Oliver and Company >The Little Mermaid >The Rescuers Down Under (came out in 1990, yet most of production took place in late 80s)
I like 80s Disney
It's hand drawn. That automatically puts it above most animated films.
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Horned King is a good villain. Not a good Horned King, but he's spooky and has an attention holding presence
Eilonwy is cute
That's pretty much as far as my list goes
It's a shame they haven't really touched the Horned King afterwards outside a single amusement park attraction.
The inclusion of the sidekick character brought it down. An oracular pig was good enough for the "nonhuman companion" role.
Same exact thing happened when they brought that CG robot character on in Treasure Planet.
Not a heck of a lot. I remember it being extremely disappointing.
Both literally in the books.
You can't put that on Disney. Gurgi is a product of the novels and is definitely the most faithful translation of the book characters
This move has very odd pacing
The executive, who came in after it was made, demanded huge cuts to the movie to get it under a certain time. After the team cut everything they could, they told him everything that was left was too essential to the movie to be cut.
The executive took the reel and began destroying scenes.
The final cut had some scenes where the quality will noticeably drop those were the cut scenes that were quickly redrawn.
No one will get to see the movie as it was intended to be seen
To be fair to Katzenburg nothing could have been added to the film to save it. The Black Cauldron was already a failure long before Katzenburg arrived and given the fact the Disney Renaissance only came about due to Katzenburg should pretty much prove his meddling wasn't what killed the film
That, and I'm sure it still taught some valuable lessons in how not to design an animated film.
Weren't the child test audiences left terrified of certain parts of the film that ended up cut out as well, or is that a rumor
Just a rumor, the cuts happen before test audience as far as I've read.
Nothing
That frickable little b***h begging to be bred on the right and I ain't talkin about blondie
Taran must spill his seed into Eilonwy's womb.
Could lewds of Princess Dying-Archvile-Sounds even exist?
Well, at least the author liked it as its own thing.
What's Disney's deal?
Disney doesn't abandon IP ever, but at the same time, they're committed to burying the Prydain books into the earth forever to spite them for nearly killing Disney back in the 80s.
More's the pity. They deserved better.
Weren’t they rereleased?
Nope. Disney made a movie about book #2 in the series of five, and then just fricked off. Granted, it's one of the better books of the series. I couldn't imagine if they made Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets as a representative of a whole series of books.
The books were better. Never understood why they made Fflewddur into an old man.
Do you think they were planning on revealing that he was a King at some point in production?
The animation, that's it.
>Horned King looks cool but goes out like a b***h
>three human heroes are utterly useless
>most useful and interesting character is fricking GURGI, the comic-relief Ewok thing
>Gurgi resurrected so there's no consequences
I honestly don't care much for the visuals, even though this continues to be one of the main talking-points. The character design is dull. The layouts are dull. The janky use of live-action effects just looks bizarre. The addition of widescreen adds nothing to the film. Backgrounds are mediocre, and Xerox still sucks. It does not successfully shake the fact that it's a dark age film by any serious means.
For every step forward, it took double steps backwards.
The backgrounds and atmosphere are spot on.
The bard was such a weird inclusion, he originally had an arc, but when that was cut, they should've cut the character.
I liked Taran's arc where he learned a hero doesn't just need a sword, but they could've done it without making Gurgi as annoying as he was.
Eilonwy breaking herself out and not being a classic damsel in distress was nice, but the movie doesn't really do anything else with her aside from some exposition.
Lacks the annoying musical scenes of every other Disney movie.
That's about it.
.. I wouldnt mind a directer's cut
it'll probably never happen but that'd be a pretty interesting ride, especially with all the stuff that got cut
The horned king was one of my first villain crushes as a kid
I've had a thing for liches and skeletons ever since
Could never be made in this day and age
It's supposed to be Dark Age Wales.
I thought it was supposed to be a completely fictional land. Which makes this "warning" EVEN MORE FRICKING moronic.
Uh, excuse me?
It's called The BLACK Cauldron!
It was censored even back in the day (actually lost scenes of the cauldron creating the undead, famously completed but cut) but this is what triggers you?
Fake warning for fake outrage
The princess was cute, the bard was likeable and the villain looked cool, that's about it.
Frankly, a quarter of the problems with that movie have to do with the dogshit comic relief. I was happy when the little homosexual died.
The animation is good most of the time. Horned King is an awesome antagonist, absolute unit who stole the show whenever he was on-screen, though I doubt he was faithful to the books. The witch trio were entertaining. Eilonwy is cute. The old bard whose name I forget was entertaining, too, probably my favorite character of the main group. The protagonist was vanilla, but he served his role.
Gurgi dying was a great move until they chickened out and brought him back to life.
It's an edit, not that I fault anyone for thinking it real.
The Loc Nar
>The Fox and the Hound
>The Black Cauldron
>The Great Mouse Detective
>The Brave Little Toaster
>Who Framed Roger Rabbit
>Oliver and Company
>The Little Mermaid
>The Rescuers Down Under (came out in 1990, yet most of production took place in late 80s)
I like 80s Disney
>The Brave Little Toaster
>Disney
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