>Encanto: $300m break even, $256.8m Box Office = $43.2m loss
>Lightyear: $400m break even, $226.4m Box Office = $173.6m loss
>Strange World: $360m break even, $73.6m Box Office = $286.4m loss
>Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania: $500m break even, 476.1m Box office = $23.9m loss
>Guardians of the Galaxy 3: $625m break even, $845.6m box office = $220.6m profit
>The Little Mermaid: $600m break even, $569.6m box office = $30.4m loss
>The Boogeyman: $87.5m break even, $82.3m box office = $5.3m loss
>Elemental: $500m break even, $495.9m box office = $4.1m loss
>Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: = $750m break even, $384m box office = $366m loss
>Haunted Mansion: $375m break even, $117.5m box office = $258m loss
>A Haunting in Venice: $150m break even, $122m box office = $28m loss
>The Creator: $200m break even, $104m box office = $96m loss
>The Marvels: $549.5m break even, $189.1m box office = $360.4m loss
>Wish: $400m break even, $105.5m box office = $294.5 loss
>but they have Disney plus
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/disney-plus-subscribers-150-million-earnings-1235784850/
https://www.indiewire.com/news/business/disney-lost-387-million-dollars-streaming-q4-disney-plus-1234923652/
>but they have parks
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/where-everyone-disney-theme-parks-200500589.html
>but they have toys
https://thatparkplace.com/exclusive-star-wars-merchandise-has-allegedly-collapsed-under-disney/
doesn't matter, blackrock.
Despite the meme, Blackrock is not a bottomless pit of money. They are investing in a shit ton of media, but are stretching themselves thin. You can not exist as an entity that only gives money, with nothing to get back in return. Reality doesn't work like that.
Exactly
They lost the capacity for useful investment
The Federal Reserve is and it's just a phone call and weekend of nonstop printing away.
It doesn’t work like that.
It's worked for them so far.
No it hasn't. Printing more dollars causes the dollar bill to lose its value. The more there is of something, the less valuable it is.
That only affects us. Disney's purpose is vomiting forth as much propaganda as possible before the total collapse.
/misc/ is now responsible for Disney being political?
No, it's responsible for morons like
who can't argue on any form of reality, so they just resort to nonsensical supervillain logic to explain away how idiotic their claim is.
Villainy is relative. Something you wave away as "nonsensical supervillainy" can be interpreted as progressive by an opposing side. Like the executives at Disney, for instance. The end result is the same, more "progressive" content produced at a loss.
Why else would they voluntarily lose so much money on movies anyone here could have told them would be failures?
Is it really that hard to believe that these companies are just run by stupid and out of touch people?
There's stupid and then there's seeing nothing but red on color-coded financial statements where red is the bad color.
>There's trust funds and then there's seeing nothing but bands on Baskins where the only Robbins is Sneed
Factor in how none of them will ever get fired or suffer any consequences while the company they work for still exists.
is it possible for them to be stupid now?
That's my point, they know it's not about the money.
It is about getting the kids to worship the antichrist and his spirit.
Or their jobs are secure because they're higher up suits at a giant corporation and the axe always falls on the people at the bottom.
CEOs resign all the time. They're never going to come out and say they found some troony in the art department so everything's better now.
So the higher ups of Disney consist of "a CEO" and that's it, it's all low level production people?
You said "the top" and "the bottom". Why would I assume you meant someone in the middle?
Because Disney is not a corner shop, it's one of the biggest corporations in the world.
No, they're just going to do layoffs of the usual suspects, workers they consider expendable, or reshuffle around departments. Their jobs won't be threatened nor will their paychecks ever be in danger.
Yes, and then nothing will change because they're the problem, and the cycle will continue while they get pallets of new cash flown in from the Fed.
not to mention resigning as a CEO is more lucrative than being one.
It is about the money though. Their personal paychecks. Which are guaranteed as long as the company exists.
Being able to comprehend that losing billions a year is bad requires an IQ sufficient to map long term trends.
So they must know that Disney will be bailed out some other way besides its own revenue.
No, it's because Disney is a gigantic corporation and can take a few hits just fine, and they won't be fired because they're higher up suits who can dodge blame for anything, they're insulated.
>a few
It's more like a few years now.
In the history of a century old company, that is a "few hits", yes.
if you have 100 billion dollars, and you find a way to lose a billion dollars a year, how long do you continue to have 100 billion dollars?
trick question you probably end up with 200b in a hundred years
Their goal is to lose money?
when you have 100b dollars in assets its almost impossible to lose it all. or even a significant amount.
they've made multiple movies about this.
why? they could just honestly believe they're too big to fail or they're not even thinking about it at all.
Why are all of the bombs pushing the same ideology? Seems unlikely to happen if they're just flipping coins on autopilot in there.
>Why are all of the bombs pushing the same ideology?
Because twitter analytics say it will sell.
>someone submits analytics that say it won't sell
fired. next set of analytics please.
>it doesn't actually sell
>let's try again but with different names this time
Captain Marvel did a billion dollars. Why would it be assumed it wouldn't do well in a sequel?
It was released in between Infinity War and Endgame and was the origin story of a character those fans were told was necessary to Endgame. The MCU has been flailing ever since.
>The MCU has been flailing ever since.
FFH, NWH both did billions. I already know excuses so spare me. Facts are facts.
>two Spiderman movies
So half of that money went to Sony. Anything else?
Oh no, only half of 3 billion dollars? That's practically five dollars.
I didn't ask for your tired excuses you learned off by heart after your multi-year cryfest over Brie Larson didn't work out like you had daydreamed.
Why would they not assume a sequel to a billion dollar film would not also be successful?
Because the sequel to Captain Marvel already happened. It was called Avengers Endgame. And yes it did in fact make two billion dollars. What was the last MCU movie to not lose money? Guardians 3? The movie with Chris "Christian white male" Pratt as the lead? Curious that the new characters they chose to put in Captain Marvel 2 I mean The Marvels (plural, since they must have known at least that she can't carry it on her own) were two brown girls from Disney+. Oops.
>Guardians 3?
Guardians 3 was the second most recent MCU movie so this is not helping your point.
Gaurdians 3 was also mocking christians with their biblically accurate angel orgoscope and had animal abuse as a plot point.
>had animal abuse as a plot point.
That was the bad guy doing that.
As someone who has recently become friends with The Two Witnesses, I am starting to see the satanism in modern movies.
It also made less than Guardians 2.
>moves goalposts
My argument was that the MCU has been trending downward ever since Endgame. How is pointing out that a sequel that came out after Endgame made less money than its predecessor before Endgame moving goalposts? You're the one insisting any Captain Marvel sequel was such a lock for a billion dollars when any data analysis would have estimated the opposite. But that wasn't the point of The Marvels.
Endgame was followed by the first Spider-Man film to do a billion dollars, then COVID.
>muh coof
Well good news, Biden ended the pandemic. So they should be doing a lot better now right? Oh, it's actually getting worse.
Are you attempting to claim that 2020-2021 did not result in long term major changes to the box office and cinemas in general?
What long term changes? The vaccine passport is dead so anyone choosing to stay home is just a financial terrorist. Disney dumping their bombs on Disney+ is their own choice.
The overall box office has contracted hugely, and streaming of films has increased. Fewer people are going to the theater. There are successes, like Avatar, Top Gun, Spider-Man, Barbie, Mario, etc, but it is clear by now that audiences got used to having films release directly to streaming, available from home, and therefore are much more selective about what they go to see. That is a long term audience shift, and the film release schedule by major studios is still in the pre-COVID order of business.
Then they should spend less money on making these. Oh wait, they don't have to because it doesn't matter.
>Then they should spend less money on making these.
Yes....something they're learning NOW, after experiencing several bombs this year. You idiot. The budgets bloating out of control has been occurring for years.
You're right. Cinema is fricked.
Correct.
They are not done with pandemics Anon.
>sequel was such a lock for a billion dollars when
why does a film need to do a billion dollars to be successful? This was not the norm for the MCU except in the streak from 2018-2019 when it was particularly on fire.
You tell me. That's what Captain Marvel 1 made and apparently that was the reason why they felt the need to film a sequel to it.
Are you just trying to stall until the thread hits bump limit and dies by engaging in pointless semantics?
You asked me to defend your own criteria. Submit better posts next time.
You are perfectly aware I was not mandating a billion dollars as the minimum for a sequel. Why are you pretending to be stupid? This is why I think you don't want to be seen as "quitting" the argument by leaving, but have nothing to say so you're just stalling til the thread dies.
When a blockbuster movie makes a lot of money, particularly one in an ongoing franchise, the obvious expectation is that there will be another film made. Or is Captain Marvel a special case because you hate Brie Larson?
Thor Ragnarok did not do a billion in 2017, but it did increase from Thor 2 and was warmly received, combined with Thor playing a central role in both the subsequent Avengers films, this also made a Thor 4 a no brainer. That film also did well, albeit with a small drop from the third film, presumably due to its fairly negative reception which limited its legs after a big opening. This was only last year.
I insist we stop sitting on our arses and do something!
I have an extensive animation reel right here.
And here is a series of visuals for my Film project as picrel.
>why does a film need to do a billion dollars to be successful
For some reason you think Marvel isn't a big franchise now and Disney doesn't have expectations for these films, weird. Age of Ultron made a billion and yet it dissapointed the execs and led to the dismissal of an entire committee.
>For some reason you think Marvel isn't a big franchise now and Disney doesn't have expectations for these films
The MCU did not routinely do a billion dollars until the 2018-2019 period.
>You're the one insisting any Captain Marvel sequel was such a lock for a billion dollars
Literally no one said that.
What else am I supposed to believe was meant by
>Captain Marvel made a billion dollars
>why wouldn't they make a sequel?
Uh, that doesn't mean "Captain Marvel 2 is a lock for a billion dollars". Literally no where in there is that implied. It means "this film was a big success, we will do a followup".
Maybe you were supposed to take that as a sequel being a logical step any movie studio would have taken, and that a bomb was not something to be expected.
It also had phenomenally good legs, showing audiences loved it.
>The movie with Chris "Christian white male" Pratt as the lead
Yet Ant-Man with another white male disappointed
Doctor Strange 2 did a massive increase over the first film. Thor 4 also made money despite a poor reception, and Shang Chi did decently despite coming out in 2021 and was received particularly well by audiences. It's really only 2023 where the MCU has actually plummeted, except for GOTG 3. You're engaging in some serious recency bias with the Marvels failing.
Are they?
>black girls good
>white men bad
Yes I think I've covered it.
So we're back to the "I don't like thing" being your supposed "ideology".
>why would they hate white men so much?
I don't know, ask the authors of the Talmud, which I denounce.
>I make millions per year regardless of whether my contributions warrant it, let's just do whatever
vs
>I am le evil satan man, making bad films to DEMORALIZE vague image board posters
>>I make millions per year regardless of whether my contributions warrant it, let's just do whatever
>vs
>>I am le evil satan man, making bad films to DEMORALIZE vague image board posters
Why not both...
I am very demoralized.
Total Satan Death.
>voluntarily
This is the part where your headcanon comes into it.
Disney has made good movies for far more years than they have been making bad movies. It's a choice.
>movies anyone here could have told them would be failures?
Captain Marvel did a billion dollars. Literally any movie studio would have made a sequel. Assuming a sequel would automatically be a failure isn't logical. No, disliking Brie Larson is not a reason.
Any studio would have made a sequel, but would they have made a sequel co-starring two literal-whos that requires prior viewing of multiple failed direct-to-streaming shows for context?
Your question speaks to a misguided and poorly thought out franchise expansion which degraded the brand, not to some sort of nebulous evil attempt to make bad movies.
QE has been over for a while now. This is no longer an option.
>anon just invents moronic excuses when his claim falls apart easily
>Despite the meme, Blackrock is not a bottomless pit of money
Modern economics is by in large a scam. ~~*They'll*~~ just get bailed out or print more money if their position is threatened.
No they won’t, moron.
>No they won’t, moron.
Because the government isn't controlled by the same group of people that control the media, right?
11 trillion dollars earning 10-20% yearly is literally a bottomless pit of money. they posted their gross losses recently to try to imply they aren't, in fact, bottomless. they didn't post their gross gains because they are, still, more than their losses.
they can lose over a trillion dollars ever year and still gain in value.
That's not their money you stupid moron, that's money they manage. It's people's retirement accounts.
Which changes nothing about
.
you understand they don't decide to invest all of a specific client's money into, say ESG, and then their friends money into [surefire thing], right? The idea is they invest proportionate amounts of money from all of their managed assets into everything they invest in, and this diversification basically guarantees a net gain.
See here's the thing. I've debated this very same argument in previous threads. The so-called unlimited funds that allows Blackrock to continue their agenda unimpeded. But my questions to people like you have always gone unanswered: Where is Encanto 2? Where is She-Hulk season 2? Where is Seeing Red 2? Where is Aladdin (live action) 2? If Blackrock and the federal reserve can pull money out of its ass with zero difficulty, why aren't they flooding the market with sequels to all these ESG-friendly products?
anon you know blackrock and disney are different companies, right?
Not according to Cinemaphile
Does blackrock own a disproportionate amount of disney stock? They and vanguard manage big funds that just invest in everything on the market (etfs, index funds etc.) That might be a reason that they appear as an owner of almost every company
This is literally the crux of every single /misc/ argument about this subject, attempting to imply that "blackrock" somehow direct Disney as a company and other conglomerates, and also that "blackrock" have ebil execs who want to make people on Cinemaphile mad as their life's goal.
>ebil execs who want to make people on Cinemaphile mad as their life's goal.
Reddit strawman
That is literally what you constantly claim. "Demoralizing me!!!".
they do own a pretty good chunk of Disney
>BlackRock, Inc. is the second largest shareholder owning 6.6% of common stock
Wow, second most! That's basically 100%.
Yes, correct.
When 1 share would be the equivalent of 0.000000000000000000000003%, yes.
And this makes them CEO, President and Heads of each department, apparently. And conveniently their only purpose in life is to do things that annoy you personally.
Correct
oh my GOD an investment firm owns shares in a mega corporation
Marxists have been infiltrating the U.S. for decades. The Soviet Union was their home planet. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the Marxists didn't just fall into a giant pit like the orcs at the end of Return of the King. Instead, they became a very lethal de-centralized force in the U.S. that vowed to bring the country down and cause it to join the USSR in death. Enter intersectionality. Enter equity. Enter cultural Marxism. Enter woke. Enter SJWs. And on and on and on. At this point, every element of the country has been infiltrated and is working in concert to destroy it. Disney is now an unofficial propaganda division of the government which itself is under the control of former Soviet Marxists. Academia is in a similar situation. There is infinite money to be thrown at all of these because the goal is the complete destruction of the U.S. and the dollar anyway. You are witnessing first hand the end of civilization through Marxist influence.
>You are witnessing first hand the end of civilization through Marxist influence.
You aren't wrong.
The Federal Reserve does exactly that. They print money out of thin air and force everyone else to work for it.
My company's 401k is through Blackrock. I cancelled mine but they are literally stealing your money, promising to return it, while they spend it on destroying the country.
N177A HAVE YOU SEEN THE CAPABILITY OF israeliteS?! THEY WILL FRICKING BEND REALITY AND DO SOME FRICKING OTHERWORLDY FRICKING DEALINGS WITH OFFWORLD ENTITIES JUST TO KEEP THEIR FRICKING CLAY GOLEM MACHINE RUNNING.
Money printer goes bbbbrrrrr
Full blue pill. The money we're talking about in America isn't real money (as in physical money such as cash backed by something tangible like gold), it doesn't exist except as numbers on a screen. All you have to do is press a button and suddenly you have hundreds of billions of 'dollars' in an instant. Blackrock and other israelite groups really do have bottomless pits of 'money'. The message has always been more important to them than the money (which is fake anyway).
>You can not exist as an entity that only gives money, with nothing to get back in return.
Almost like they own a huge chunk of all property in the US and can throw money at companies like Disney without worry.
>Blackrock is not a bottomless pit of money
it actually is
because it's not their money
so they don't lose anything.
Don't underestimate evil.
Blackrock + Vanguard own everything. Why do you think home ownership has become more difficult? Disney purposely declaring to parents that the world belongs to corporate + federal government's control (albeit hiding behind the SJW issue du jour), not a "reciprocal" exchange of money for services/products. Agenda 2030 a techno-totalitarianism is here.
Take a break from Cinemaphile.
>Despite the meme, Blackrock is not a bottomless pit of money.
Blackrock handles the US Pensions for the government
They quite literally have a bottomless pit of your money.
> israelites
> blackrock
> ESG
> woke
words people use when they don't the real answer as to why shit happens
the CEO of blackrock is on record saying he invests according to ESG principles.
>never explains the "real answer"
let me guess everyone is just racist
I've been found out!
Frick, forgot to greentext.
You sound very israeli
Not how money works, moron.
The real redpill is that this is all a scheme by Blackedwiener to seize Disney's IPs as collateral for defaulting on loan payments.
Qrd
You can only count on blackrock until the certain threshold
Despite of it, such a negative results are the problem
This means less and less people care about the messages blackrock gives Disney money for, and that's bad for both of them
Blackrock quit subsidizing these films fricking ages ago.
no they didn't what makes you think that?
the numbers are even worse than that because the theaters take half the box office.
>the numbers are even worse than that because the theaters take half the box office.
the numbers are even worse than that because marketing inflates the budget 2x
No it doesn't. Did you even think through the basic logic of how dumb this claim is?
>the numbers are even worse than that because the theaters take half the box office.
You fricking idiot, that's why the "break even" is high
>What went so catastrophically wrong for Disney?
They went woke so now they're going broke.
>the one profit is by the guy that left them
lmao
Have ANY of these break even numbers ever been accounted for? Not trying to say this numbers are being inflated or anything but $400m? $500m? $600m? Just like that without saying how this number got so big? Nobody says anything, they just believe it?
>Have ANY of these break even numbers ever been accounted for?
Basic ~~*Hollywood*~~ math:
Marketing costs = production budget x .5
>this is the typical formula used to calculate suggested marketing budgets, but costs can go up or down based on the project
Total costs = production budget + marketing costs
Studio take = worldwide box office x .5
>studios are said to get up to 60% of U.S. ticket sales in some cases, and as little as 40% from sales outside the U.S., so 50% is a fairly accurate estimate for the studio take.
The figures above deal solely with box office sales, however, studios try to arrange for a variety of different revenue streams based on the project, so shit like toys and other items can contribute to earnings. Then there are post run deals made to run their shit films on TV and such that also contribute. Their goal is always to earn a profit during release, though.
>and as little as 40% from sales outside the U.S.
This is no longer true, in China and India it's even less, like 20% or under.
Based chinks and poos bleeding israelite-ger dry.
I much prefer India to China. Fingers crossed the predicted demographic crunch happens.
Why?
The typical practice is to double the movie budget, and even that's being generous towards disney.
The advertising for stuff like Elemental was dragged out for months because it was doing better in foreign markets after opening weekend
It’s the film production budget + assumed marketing cost + theater take of box office ticket sales
>Allowing neo-Marxist activist trash to use Disney as an extremist platform for queers, communists, feminists, and minorities.
They fired most of the people that had actual talent and replaced them with queers, feminists, and minorities with NO talent. The people they hired didn't give two shits about Disney for anything other than using it as platform for their various agendas.
They went woke, and are now going broke.
that's a man. and so is brie larson
Do the parks even pull in anything? I always figured they were bleeding cash with these fricking things
They're like their biggest cash cows. They literally run themselves and they pay everyone working there minimum wage.
They print money simply with the paid parking. They've already created an infrastructure and have mainly focus on maintenance & customer service. However, they've been laying off many park employees since the company is bleeding in other aspects. There's a good chance that they lose their golden goose by cheapening the park experience.
People are already noticing decaying service quality after they implemented the reservation thingy. They want to cut down staff and food to the bare minimum for the public attending in a given day.
The parks are the biggest revenue and profit source for Disney. The Orlando park is the biggest revenue/profit source among the various parks. Which puts into perspective how moronic it was to pick a fight with the Florida government over teaching about homosexuality in the 1st grade.
>using Hollywood accounting figures pulled from your ass
not defending disney, but total losses would be 1.8b for the year so far. but avatar was also in theaters for about six months pulling pure profit the entire time. every hollywood studio always puts out a string of failures after a big success, like they knew the movies would fail.
You're forgetting how expensive these movies and tv shows are. Any money they got back they've lost and more. Disney+ is already bleeding them dry and they refuse to cut their losses and scrap it.
... i literally just tallied all the profit/losses from the OP to get the 1.8b number, to get their net loss so far, for the year, that doesn't count avatar2.
They’re most likely consolidating D+ into Hulu but hiking the fee. I bet the price for Ad-free Hulu will be some ridiculous $25/mo but the ad supported tier will stay $10-12. Advertisers bring in more money anyway.
aside from eating into ticket sales the cost of running Disney plus would be like.. zero. a few hard drives and a cable.
Disney spent over $70 billion on 20th Century Fox, and have made zero money back other than the maybe a billion in profit from Avatar 2.
A lot of it comes down to Iger's decisions
>Iger decided to buy Fox, which ended up using up a lot of cash and got automatically got them into a deal with Comcast to buy out the rest of their Hulu stake
>Iger was pushing Disney+ pre-COVID
>Iger willingly renewed Kennedy's contract without changing anything
>Iger hired a lot of the DEI employees pre-COVID who themselves also hired similar-minded employees that eventually led to the Florida debacle
>Said employees were also responsible for driving away talent and antagonizing fans
>COVID also happened which fricked up a lot of their stuff
>Iger announced he was no longer CEO in 2020... but the truth was he still stuck around to manage things during 2020 and 2021 (including film and TV) and was only truly gone from the company from Jan 2022 to Nov 2022.
Catering to women, gays, and browns. They are natural slaves and don't know that they want.
If they were catering to browns, there'd be more hot white women.
das rasis or something idk it doesn't make sense
They are catering to fellow progressive liberals who think that's what needs to be shown
A lot of these numbers are pumped up with a layman's formula.
the parks are up from 2022 though and have have record attendance (or revenue anyway)
>Disney Parks has just released its fourth quarter and full-year earnings, posting a record $32.5 billion in revenue for fiscal 2023, which ended September 30, 2023. For the fourth quarter, Disney Parks reported $8.3 billion in revenues. Here’s a look at the past full-year revenues:
>FY 2023: $32.5 billion
>FY 2022: $28.7 billion
>FY 2021: $16.5 billion
>FY 2020: $16.5 billion
>FY 2019: $26.2 billion
>FY 2018: $24.7 billion
>FY 2017: $18.4 billion
>FY 2016: $16.9 billion
>FY 2015: $16.1 billion
They can only recoup losses with park earnings for so long. Ticket prices are getting steeper, customer dissatisfaction is increasing, and new additions are generally unsuccessful.
Then theres the whole reedy creek scandal, and the fact that even if disney gets off scott free, they aren't getting nearly the same tax breaks as they used to.
they can also put most of their movie budgets into shell companies that do nothing but buy park tickets, that go directly back to them.
>they can also put most of their movie budgets into shell companies that do nothing but buy park tickets, that go directly back to them.
Highly unlikely since most park visitors have recorded and complained about how crowed the parks are now. Most disneyland fans even applaud the yearly price increases because they want to see the park emptier. At some point, park attendance has to go down but it seems like Disney hasn't reached that price point yet.
aren't there tons more nogs there than there ever should be? keep seeing new videos of obviously low income people at disney world, of all places.
You see more videos because Disney has been cheap by laying off employees which includes security. Disney used to be known for having ton of undercover security guards. But with those videos you mention, people are realizing that their security's response time is now about 5-10 minutes.
Many of the people in the fight videos are wearing those stupid "X Family Vacation" matching t shirts so it's probably their once in a lifetime vacation they saved up for (and subsequently ruined).
>Then theres the whole reedy creek scandal, and the fact that even if disney gets off scott free, they aren't getting nearly the same tax breaks as they used to.
Disney unironically never received any tax breaks from the district, they were actually paying the same (if not more) by running the district themselves. The only reason they continued doing the deal for so long is they got to dodge a bunch of the usual government red tape that comes with construction work.
The whole thing is moronic political grandstanding and this is coming from someone who fricking hates Disney.
The only benefit it looks like they were gaining from Reedy Creek is they were making a few million dollars by providing discounted park passes to the employers as a "benefit", which I'm sure is pocket change to them in the long run (and let's be honest most people who work there are just going to buy full priced passes with their own money at the end of the day).
Wouldn't employees get free admission? Does Disney really?
That's the whole point of this drama. The District was supposed to be a separate entity from Disney and the workers weren't technically "Disney employees" so they wouldn't receive the same benefits as normal park workers.
Reedy Creek is under audit right now for the first time in decades. You should read up on what they've been finding so far instead of pulling stuff out if your ass like this.
I've literally been following this since Day 1 homosexual. The "audit" that came out last week was a nothingburger. The biggest thing they managed to find is that the district was supposed to pay taxes on the discounted park passes that the the employees received but they never did. That's not a big deal, just a moronic accounting error. The IRS will just ask for that money and the District will have to cough it up.
>i-its a nothingburger, it's just millions of dollars in tax evasion bro
Thanks for letting everyone know you're a concern trolling homosexual. I'm not surprised how you didn't bring up disney giving kickbacks to Reedy Creek officials.
The only "kickback" they received was a piece of land on the property because the act stated in order to be a board member they needed to own property.
The agreement was fricking stupid and I am 100% for reforming it but the more I hear about it the more of a waste of time and money it is. The biggest joke is the new board whining about how the "taxpayers" were being scammed by the deal when the only taxpayer of the district was Disney. They're purposefully being oblique as frick to trick morons like you into thinking the average Florida citizen was affected by this.
>its okay bro, the average flordia citizen wasn't affected by billions in lost tax revenue bro
More concern trolling. Land is far from cheap, and the clear reason why these deals were made was so that disney could plant their own hand picked sycophants into Reedy Creek's administration.
>Land is far from cheap
Land, far away from cities, was very cheap before the 80s.
>auditing a company that spends millions of dollars a year paying dozens of people to find ways to evade taxes
yeah that's going to go well
I absolutely despise Disney as an entity
but the people making the current moves against them deserve a much greater ire, a thousand times over.
Freedom, conceived as the ability to do whatever you want to do, is bad and corrodes society. True freedom is the ability to do what you ought to do, to do that which is good.
>Nooooo you can't figure out what is good for you and society on your own, you have to do exactly what I tell you, how I tell you to, when and where I tell you to
Yes.
Boy you sure are interested in writing walls of text to Correct The Record for a billion dollar entity that doesn’t care about you.
The parks are "up" because they raised prices on everything, plus they shut down their latest money sink, the Star Wars trailer park hotel
so they raised the price and that the park started brining in 30bn instead of 15, because people were willing to pay the higher price, revealing they were underexploiting the park asset before, and you're trying to act like this is some problem for them lmao.
>women, Black folk and soft effeminate men
can’t imagine why
Because Disney has pretty much single-handedly ruined copyright and public domain laws in my country so seeing them burn their own company to the ground in the name of current year woke bullshit fills me with the purest of schadenfreude.
"Go woke go broke" isn't absolute, as you can still make something woke and make money off of it. But you have to make something that has some capacity to trick normal people into enjoying it. Disney can't do that apparently.
"Go woke go broke" is a general trend rather than a hard and fast rule. Woke Bullshit Move X may be a success, but when Woke Bullshit Movies T, U, V, W, Y, and Z all flopped hard as is the current case with Disney, those few successes aren't able to offset the losses. For a monumentally huge company like Disney, going broke takes a while and a lot of losses, but it looks like they're finally getting there.
I hope so. I hope the entire company collapses.
"Go woke go broke" has always been a sound bite. You can make woke media and make a profit but if you make all your products woke, you lose a portion of the market. But "go woke, less money" is not as catchy.
Baldur's Gate 3 was very woke. Had pronoun shit, strong females, gay romance, blacks in fantasy Europe, etc. Still sold gangbusters.
I stopped playing once the obviously "player character" Black person broke into my camp and refused to leave.
>Still sold gangbusters.
because it's called Baldur's Gate 3 and Larian basically built it around their previous successful RPG's framework
if it were yet another random indie title with its own lore and mechanics it would have been dragged as usual
media you could brand as "woke" rarely succeeds on its own, it's always riding on the shoulders of something else
morons thats how fantasy were alway done. holy shit are you fricking stupid. rpg games always had gay relationships long before the era of woke started. DND has been doing that shit for decades. fricking educate yourselves before you post here and make yourselves look more moronic then a down syndrome kid in a wheelchair.
if you're talking about various gay romances that you could go for in much older games, you had to go for them, hard, with characters that unless you were interested weren't broadcasting it.
Nowadays its a minefield where if you choose the wrong dialogue option at the wrong time you're locked into a gay romance, which even if you can undo, every interaction with the character is tainted.
Baldur's Gate 3 doesnt lock you into anything. that would go against the very principles of DND it self. taking away player agency is a big no no in DND. Ive played the game unlike you morons. not once did I get locked into any relationship i didnt want.
there's a Black person in my camp and I can't get rid of him. so yea, I'm locked into that. so I'm done.
who gives a shit? leave him their and play the rest of the game with out bringing him in your party you dumbass. fricking have a nice day for being such a stupid whiney b***h.
>no, you have to have Black folk in your life you piece of shit racist
KYS
I was only barely interested in the game in the first place, so forcing me to house a character I'm not interested in at all was a breaking point.
thats the same with every character you meet you idiot. you do not need to use them at all in your party. why are you so anal about some npc just standing in your digital camp? calm the frick down stupid.
No.
I never met him. i didn't talk to him. I wasn't interested in him. He breaks into my camp in the night and I can't kill him or tell him to frick off.
jews
The core issue is Disney+ and Disney's theatrical model are at odds with each other. One part of this is each film IP that underperforms in it's first weekend means that people will just assume it will be on Disney+ in a month anyway. So, even fewer people go the next weekend, etc.
The other part of this is that Disney+ needs content to retain subscribers and must dump money into new programming, TVify their premium IPs and milk them dry, and put theatrical movies on the service to make Disney+ seem exclusive and premium. A course correction will take years and the resulting instability will erode investor and institutional confidence in Disney meaning financing the course correction will become even more expensive in a landscape where interest rates are already high.
And at least in the short to medium term, correcting course to help streaming hurts theatrical, and vice versa.
Marxist israelites triggering a cultural great reset. Bob Iger is a turbo globalist israelite. Disney is almost a monopoly at this point just like in communist shitholes. They want to destroy individual heroes, patriarcal figures in profit of communities of equals who are all heroes, especially women and women of color. It's literally a bolshevik revolution. The israelites want to enslave all of us in the koser plantation.
two more weeks till the great reset, right?
Happened like 15 years ago now, it must have worked on you since you haven't noticed.
you were 5 years old 15 years ago though
It's a slow boil. The first substantial move will be national digital currencies. From there it will move to mandatory digital currency, and your finances will be regulated by a social credit score as in China. Then there will be a move to a "global" digital country from all the west-allied nations.
Correct. That's why they're so intent on taking away American rights, like free speech and the right to keep and bear arms. Europe is already cucked, but an armed America will be much harder to deal with for them.
The sad part about all of this is that our very own politicians are the ones enabling these demons.
The United Slaves of America are more brainwashed and cucked than any other country. United Slaves of Isreal. MUH GUNZ! MUH FREEDUMZ
>shoots up school
Third world shithole
Shalom
>The israelites want to enslave all of us
They are abject evil, and Disney has been doing their bidding for years now. They are cancer.
If by "enslave," you mean "kill," then yes, that is what ~~*they*~~ want to do to all white people.
>Springtime for Iger and Kennedy
>Winter for all the old fans
I would so love for forensic accountants to just start digging in their books. I have a feeling it would make SBF look like the accounting for a convent in comparison.
Hollywood has repeatedly over the years paid up billions in out of court settlements rather than risk letting anybody see their books.
Their also under criminal investigation
Let's go
they have accountants and child corporations to hide their profits and erase their tax liability
Massively overinflated budgets combined with people being turned off by overly preachy movies that are somehow looking worse despite costing more than ever. Disney have finally encountered the myth of existential growth and found their breaking point, consider these movies would cost an even more insane amount if VFX artists who do the lion's share to make these movies weren't being grossly underpaid. Disney need to return to making medium to low budget movies and only breaking out budgets for the feature films, rather than trying to treat every new release as a feature, because the market just isn't interested in 90% of the disneyslop coming out these days.
Disney+ is what went wrong. Trained families not to bother with the theater.
>Netflix is the biggest villain of 21st Century media and it's not even close.
To understand 'why' you need to step back from the numbers and details, (which are used as excuses for those responsible in the first place). Picrel book, (from 1990 by some israelite), is just one model but exposes the underlying reality. Once you understand the basic concept you can see this shit coming a mile away and figure it out yourself.
Thesis: There are four cardinal personality types with positive and negative tendencies inside organisations:
Idea guys:
>Positive: Come up with creative ideas, tend to found company, and keep innovating
>Negative: Can sit around dreaming, build castles in the air, lose interest quickly after initial stage and not finish what they start because they're onto the next thing
Performers:
>Positive: Productive and goal-oriented in relation to sales numbers, bottom line
>Negative: Can work hard not smart, one-track mind, short-term one-dimensional thinking, resist changes that would make them more efficient, have friction with anyone in their way
Administrators:
>Positive: Bean counters who actually enjoy it, bookkeepers, accountants, lawyers, keep track of everything, essential to a larger business, help you keep the money you earn, like taxes, debt recovery, efficient admin systems, statistics, analysis
>Negative: Will happily sit around making pretty charts and counting shit even when there's no profit to count, more concerned with dotted i's and slashed t's than actual results
People-People, (women tend to be this):
>Positive: Can placate/motivate/smooth personnel interaction, have contacts who can help solve problems, call in favours, etc.
>Negative: Will happily turn your company into a daycare centre where you worry about each other's feels all day and forget about the product and bottom line, social agendas
Why you generally can't have 50% women just because vegana. When shit is out of whack it results in characteristic forms of dysfunction and failure:
http://paei.wikidot.com/adizes-methodology#toc21
Mansion: $375m break even, $117.5m box office = $258m loss
lol did they really waste that fricking much money on that shit? Shit looked like a Disney Channel movie.
Hmm maybe they should put in even MORE black people and gays that will win the viewers back!
PUT A CHICK IN IT
MAKE IT LAME
I'm as happy as anyone to see Disney fail but Boogeyman was originally going to be just on streaming and they decided to put it into limited theaters at the last moment with little fanfare so I wouldn't count it as a failure
Their target audience doesn’t exist yet
>Disney of the past - "I don't make pictures just to make money. I make money to make more pictures."
>Disney of today - MORE CONTENT, MORE CONTENT, MORE CONTENT!!! CONTENT! CONTENT! CONTENT!!! MORE! MORE! MORE!!! BUY! BUY! BUY!! faster, faster, FASTER!!! cheaper, cheaper, CHEAPER!!!
I never want to see another computer generated image again as long as I live. I'm going back to VHS.
you're looking at a computer generated image right now. even VHS is computer generated.
>Encanto: $43.2m loss
Black folk
>Lightyear: $173.6m loss
Lesbian Black folk
>Strange World: $286.4m loss
Gay ass Black person
>Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania: $23.9m loss
Black person kangz
>The Little Mermaid: $30.4m loss
Wide eyed aqua Black person
>Elemental: $4.1m loss
Metaphorical interracial Black person
>Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: $366m loss
Feminism
>Haunted Mansion: $258m loss
Ghastly Black folk
>The Marvels: $360.4m loss
Capeshit feminazi Black person
>Wish: $294.5 loss
100 year anniversary canon/lore changing wishful Black person
See a pattern?
Mansion: $258m loss
>Ghastly Black folk
The woke agenda....
homie that officer is getting his shit pushed in and no one is helping
Disney's output has always been a balance between "art" and "product". At least it did, decades ago. People liked to toss around the term "masterpiece" a lot when referring to their old hand drawn films. Probably a little too often, if I'm being honest. But I don't think too many of their films from the past 20 years get that label attached to them. There's only so much soul you can suck out of the cynically-produced content that Disney produces before even the casual audience catches on.
No animation made entirely in a computer will ever be viewed as a masterpiece.
Disney's contribution to Western 2D animation simply by allowing well-funded top-of-the-line animated movies and allowing for direct training of animators by top animators in a direct chain over dozens of years was a formula that could create accidental masterpieces and also a source of future talent for competing animation studios. Even if they bring back 2D animation, they'll never be able to recreate what they had
>What went so catastrophically wrong for Disney?
They israeliteed too hard too fast.
>What went so catastrophically wrong for Disney
Jews, it's like Walt was right about them.
When you lean on nostalgia for so long, you eventually stop creating new things for people to eventually get nostalgic for. And that's modern Disney's entire business model, getting adults to miss being a child. But nobody gets misty thinking about Snow White, Toy Story, or Star Wars anymore. In fact, even those older works have been tainted by the foul odor of the new. The cow isn't just milked dry, it's been killed, chopped up into hamburger, and completely digested. The shit doesn't even stink anymore. It's just nothing.
They need to give Filoni the reins in making new Star Wars movies and they will find duccess again.
>They need to give Filoni the reins in making new Star Wars movies and they will find duccess again.
I hope this is bait. FiloBlack folk and cloomers deserve a painful death.
I hope Disney is woke enough for elsanna to be canon
of the Galaxy 3: $625m break even, $845.6m box office = $220.6m profit
lol what is this horseshit made up number?
2.5x rule
That isn't a rule
I honestly think that GotG3 could break a billion if Disney didn't ruin their family friendly reputation.
gotg3 would've made more money had they not tied it into infinity war and endgame or a streaming-only special no one watched.
>GOTG3 is clearly a success so OP suddenly adds a fictional 150M extra he didn't to Ant-Man or Marvels to lessen it
white christian company sold to israelites
They keep puking out all these ugly reboots, but the Disney corporation itself could use a complete reboot if you ask me.
Too much Marvel superhero stuff that requires you to watch 20 other tv shows on your free time to understand what is going on
Oversaturation is definitely a problem, but it's not the only factor at play. There's a reason why other Disney projects are failing too, and it has to do with the poorer quality of the writing as well as the wokeness.
I've noticed the Marvel comics have cut back on the woke somewhat, so they definitely know that shit impacts sales. The movies have yet to follow.
an AI generated image of Mickey Mouse and Darth Vader vomiting into each other's mouths
And polturds could have defeated them by marching on shitneyland instead of shit posting about the writer's rights or w/e
What? No, you have to create financial systems independent from investors, get high IQ whites to breed and homeschool, and divorce culture from simulated lives and artificial memories. Going to prison won't help the cause.
israeli leadership that carries none of the vision forward that made the company successful.
They're making movies that I'm not interested in watching. That's all.
Attention everyone I have a solution. We are going to attempt to bring biblical teachings to the big screen!
I am very gassy
The Marvel movies can't work when you have to have seen several of the preceding movies. Makes it a chore to get into or back into the movies since it's like you have to do homework to understand what's happening. Part of why the first Guardians of the Galaxy worked was it being a stand alone movie you could enjoy on its own.
The other Disney movies have also tried doing too much girl power stuff and it weakened every film somehow. A few like Wish and Encanto also have this "you'll own nothing and be happy" vibe, rather than having the main character just enjoy some happy magical existence. Which is kinda fricked.
looks like the thread is actually getting close to what's happening but someone is trying to confuse it.
Of course. You can't answer the obvious objections to your moronic claim, so you resort immediately to pretending you're so flawlessly correct that "the bad guys" have sent agents to argue against you on an anonymous image board.
The claim is disney executives don't need to think about the future because they're insulated against failure by being on top of many levels of employees, who are regularly fired to bail out the higher ups.
You know the reason. As a father of 3 Disney used to be a reasonably safe bet for a night out at the movies. I could trust what we were going to see wasn’t going to be actively attempting to push beliefs and ideals that go against my own. This isn’t the case anymore and I don’t have the time, money, or patience to vet Disney movies before my kids see them. We just don’t see them anymore. Most people at my kids’ school don’t either. Everyone at my church stopped Disney+. They divided their fanbase for politics and this is the result.
Jesus Christ how long did that billion dollar Star Wars hotel last for?
18 months
A year and a half, give or take a week. It lost them hundreds and hundreds of millions, maybe even over a billion.
Refusal to change. Same thing that happened in their dark age: get caught in a rut, lots of failures, but keep doing the same things anyway and hope you get lucky.
All animation studios suck now.
You just posted proof of the opposite, schizo Black person.
I know, that's what I thought back then. I am doubling down on that statement. I will not be financially supporting any studios except for Illumination, for now. All studios are controlled opposition that are there to make the public feel like someone is fighting back against woke animation, but they came out with 2 dumb bauhaus movies, and Pixar still has another bauhaus movie after Inside Out 2.
We need Christian movies back, and Big Idea Productions is in limbo after Universal fired the main staff and replaced them with diversity hires. So someone has to step up.
It's just a question of WHO is going to do it.
>any studios except for Illumination
You realize DreamWorks and Illumination are both owned by Universal, right?
I know but Illumination is behaving differently at the moment.
What separates Illumination from DW in this regard? I'm curious.
Illumination just gave us the mario movie, and they haven't put bauhus characters in their movies yet, with the exception of the guy cooking the duck a l'orange, does that count as bauhaus?
>does that count as bauhaus?
You tell me.
why do you gays talk about disney so much?
like why do you actually care what they're doing at all
We need to start making better christian content for children. You have to realize that Disney is on a 100-year long mission to make kids not care about Christ.
The point is that Big Idea is long gone, and the only Christian content right now is a remake of a VeggieTales episode.
This chud generation refuses to make a positve social change
Everytime these threads happen and someone smugly answers ESG and then not having any ideas or concept how it works in the first place is just annoying and essentially ceding the argument that this super evil entity is impossible to challenge and we should all just accept the situation like sore losers.
It's just annoying.
uh OBVIOUSLY it means the ebil satan money means they make bad movies to make image board posters feel bad
lol and you're only doubling the budget for break even. The losses are even bigger than this
I never thought this day would come, I remember thinking Disney would outlive me
We need to actually push back against satanic animation and cartoons.
Lightyear you could tell it was going to be bad because you can feel the sheer amount of marketing analysis put into the promotional poster.
>Trust me, the data shows there's an uptick in viewership in X demographic when there is a cute animal on the front page!!
It's so souless.
moronic thread
Is it moronic because we don't like satanist values in our cartoons?
The MCU was more or less merely returning to its "normal" pre 2018-2019 hot streak numbers until the Marvels actually bombed (compare the 2013-2017 period to the 2020-2022 one), which is a combination of numerous factors, all of which were death for a film.
Why is there a homosexual trying to advertise his youtube or whatever?
because animation is full of bullshit nowadays.
I wanna frick Ruby Gillman.
Anon no! You'll turn into a beanmouth!
I'M GONNA FRICKING DO IT
>Hey, instead of catching the huge, hungry market Disney is leaving unsatisfied, people who don't like anti-white shit, what if we... try to go even more anti-white!
Fricking morons, glad their movie made $2
My movie will probably make $2 but at least it's not anti-white.