Episode One - Anakin is Space Jesus
Episode Two - Absolutely forgettable
Episode Three - Ok, we wasted two movies on Anakin’s backstory and accomplished nothing, now we gotta rush everything to turn him into Vader by the end. Who cares if it makes sense or not?
Are they as bad as the sequels? Not by a long shot. But they’re pretty fricking abysmal.
I thought it made a lot of sense.
Anakin was angry with the jedi for a while now but still tried to turn in Palpatine. His plan was to have him arrested and try to get the method to save Padme out of him.
He panicked when Windu was about to kill Palpatine.
After that point of no return he only had one option left, Yoda would have slaughtered him.
And despite all he did he never fully turned to the dark side which is why Luke was able to turn him.
>Zoomers. Not millennials.
Both, really.
Millenials love the prequels for blind nostalgia reasons. Gen Z love the prequels because of reddit/prequelmemes and their own media illiteracy making them adopt their opinions from social media.
>Gen Z love the prequels because of reddit/prequelmemes and their own media illiteracy making them adopt their opinions from social media.
lmao this. I recall one zoomer in particular claiming that the prequels were "apolitical" which was hilarious given that everyone knew that they were subtle jabs at Bush and the patriot act (especially the Revenge of the Sith.)
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>political themes = movie is political by itself
Cringe leftist.
Will you ever learn?
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t. zoomer or millennial Bush supporter (even worse btw)
>Boomers were too dumb to take slightly different SW >Boomers got brains replaced with RLM >Boomers hated Lucas >Lucas got sad and sell SW to Disney >Disney got all greedy and turned SW into soulless shit
People like to shit on Hayden’s performance when he actually modeled it after James Earl Jones’ portrayal of Darth Vader. The voice is just a filter, but the speech patterns should be identical which is why Anakin speaks the way he does.
Star Wars' appeal is aesthetic and archetypical story-telling and everyone got the wrong message.
Fans
Industry
George
Lucasfilm
Disney
They all went >Hurrduurrr LORE! That's what makes Star Wars great! Let's make everything about LORE. Let's tie everything together in one big tapestry! The more the hone in on lore, and this has been true since the original two films, the more contrived and full of holes this whole thing becomes.
Fricked up my greentext, but you get the message. We should've never seen the Clone Wars, or the Kessell run. Luke and Leia shouldn't be siblings. Vader's bride should not have been a major player in the Republic, but maybe an unexpected romance with a local on a planet while at war or something. Nurses him to health/fricks him. Maybe he's already Vader at this point so the idea of >J...Jedi...? The f....foooorce?
Feels a little more legit, considering it's weird that they're this archaic, ancient and potentially hypothetical thing, despite being canonically dead less than 20 years.
Because he’s met and known Obi-Wan for years. He’s never met Luke and Leia so they don’t register as his kids but just that they’re force-sensitive. If anything, they’d feel familiar, but he wouldn’t have the context as to why.
>Feels a little more legit, considering it's weird that they're this archaic, ancient and potentially hypothetical thing, despite being canonically dead less than 20 years.
What if DVD/Streaming/etc didn't exist, and you could only see movies in theaters? How archaicly legendary would the prequel movies be now that they're 20 years old? Also if information is easily lost and there's no internet in space, maybe its easier for times in living memory to pass into legend, eg Cinemaphile oldgays, especially since Cinemaphile is 20 years old.
Fricked up my greentext, but you get the message. We should've never seen the Clone Wars, or the Kessell run. Luke and Leia shouldn't be siblings. Vader's bride should not have been a major player in the Republic, but maybe an unexpected romance with a local on a planet while at war or something. Nurses him to health/fricks him. Maybe he's already Vader at this point so the idea of >J...Jedi...? The f....foooorce?
Feels a little more legit, considering it's weird that they're this archaic, ancient and potentially hypothetical thing, despite being canonically dead less than 20 years.
I don't get where you're coming from when the mythos and hints of a bigger world were already there since day one. Why should they have been left unexplored?
Only the intent.
Lucas wanted to make movies to sell toys.
Disney wants to make movie to sell shares.
>Lucas wanted to make movies to sell toys
All what the dude wanted was to tell a story. He's a business man sure, but also a cultured creative guy. Watch his interviews.
>Why should they have been left unexplored?
Because that was part of the magic of it. Entering a world that already exists as has a long history of things that you weren't a part of. By over-exploring everything, you make the universe feel smaller and you open it up to way more contrivances and all the shoe-leather makes the series progressively less interesting.
Fricking this. I'm tired of lore autists. These Star Wars Youtubers are pure cancer. >let's talk about tertiary character #349 for 40 minutes >muh theories
Consumer culture. It's actually pretty incredible how well it has sustained itself as a living mythology. At this point it is crystalizing around the Lucas saga in reaction to Disney's rot and whether or not it will continue being a 'living' mythology will depend entirely on how passionate the fans are and how much of the next generation takes up the torch in spite of the passionless corporations that "own" it. Overall, from what I've seen in the communities I lurk in, I'm optimistic about Star Wars' future.
It's not dead! If anything the younger Star Wars fans seem to gravitate toward the old EU over the Disney 'canon' because it's just plain fun and it has a lot more to read about than the nuggets of shit that Disney grunts out.
>passionate >jerks who spend the whole day attacking every director, producer and actor of Disney Wars
Yeah surely very passionate people, what can go wrong? It isn't as if the community used to insult and harrass the creator of the series or anything.
Absolutely based pic my mn...I will never forgive the frickwits from Disney for destroying the EU.
It's not dead! If anything the younger Star Wars fans seem to gravitate toward the old EU over the Disney 'canon' because it's just plain fun and it has a lot more to read about than the nuggets of shit that Disney grunts out.
Kyle is a generic character, the EU was never canon and zoomers don't care about it, it's just the same old people.
Man that little argument is so pointless that I'd assume you are getting fricked with by people have fun talking shit.
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Anonymous
No, you are just 13 years old.
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Anonymous
No, I'm just not a friendless nerd who reads fricking Star Wars books lmfao
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Anonymous
It is heartening to me to see this kind of mindset return to Star Wars. All of these sci-fi fandoms are better off when they are largely regarded as nerd shit. Everything is worse with normies.
Now how can we get normies to view Star Trek that way again?
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You are a homosexual.
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Anonymous
Lol you read Star Wars books and you really think any opinion you have holds value. You don't even have the self-awareness to be quietly ashamed of it.
The EU had George's approval and guidance, Nu Wars doesn't.
It had his approval until he'd need to do something in the movies that would contradict it. EU was only there for autist consooomers who need more Star Wars than somehow 6 whole films could satisfy.
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If he'd need to do something in the movies that would contradict it he'd simply tell the authors to not write about it like with the Thrawn trilogy and Clone Wars.
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But the point is, the movies were not going to be slavish to the EU. Any time George changed his mind or made a decision about Canon, that would ultimately override anything in the EU. And it's for the simple and ultimate fact that George, as an artist and populist filmmaker, knows that 99% of the audience is only seeing the movies. Therefore the only thing the movies need to be consistent with is each other. The movies are what Star Wars IS. The expanded universe are what Star Wars sells.
The dude’s kind of a Gary Stu. He’s got too much shit going on. It’s good that they split him into different characters. Shame that Andor died at the end of Rogue One and Rebels being too kiddy and shitty with the ones who weren’t Kanan and Hera.
Comes with the territory of being a main character in a doom clone. Every one of those games are so much fun. Mysteries of the Sith is probably my absolute favorite.
I hope the next generation embraces Disney and the sequel trilogy and gatekeep all the chuds (who don't even care about SW anymore) out of the franchise.
Dumbasses b***hed about the prequels.
Dumbasses b***hed about The Last Jedi.
Basically dumbasses hate Star Wars made by artists, they just want to consoom product.
Forgetting that it's supposed to be an escapist fantasy for 12 year old boys. It's a dime novel/pulp fiction that's basically Arthurian Legend in space. Chivalry, honour, knights-errant, princesses, yadda yadda.
The prequels tried to make it into a serious political thriller, and the sequels were two hour toy commercials.
Kathleen Kennedy thought that all the top tier talent she helped oversee back in the 80s somehow translated into talent of her own. Turns out she doesn't know shit about shit.
A very concerning lack of beach content in this franchise. I really enjoyed the last third of rogue one where they run around on an entire planet made up of beaches! It was like The Beach (2000) with lasers!
Women is what went wrong. They gave the franchise to a woman who didnt understand anything about it. She thought it would be successful whatever she did. She didnt have the vision of George Lucas, so there was no plan or cohesive story. All there was, was get representation for women. And now all they have left is a wasteland, stories with deadends, characters no one cares about. Its dead.
Stop spreading this bullshit. She and two others edited the movie according to the script under George's supervision. Basically, how every fricking movie is edited, dumbass.
the original isn't that great. Luke has a crazy long weekend. joins a cult, somehow knows how to fly a fighter. attack scene completely stolen, including dialog. I saw it in the theater at 11. then, at that age, it was cool. Battlestar Galactica had a better story.
>What went wrong?
Disney bought the IP because they wanted to expand their business by catering to boys and Star Wars fans, but Lucasfilms is helmed by a mentally ill accountant lady who wants to pander to herself. All the projects she meddles in end up being some kind of trojan horse for female empowerment that leads to abominations like Reva killing any chance of a story being good.
But Star Wars can still be good if it doesn't focus on pandering to KK. See: >a story about the birth of a revolution and all the ugliness that entails >a story about a scared boy gradually becoming a man through sheer persistence >a story about a gruff mercenary getting shit done (I'm just looking at S1 here)
These were good precisely because they were helmed by other guys who weren't part of KK's nepotism clique, guys who knew the setting benefits from being expanded. Unlike KK who thinks Star Wars is about how to replace the Skywalker saga character and stories with girlbosses.
Get rid of KK and her cronies, and I promise Star Wars overall can come back.
Episode 1 was garbage in some ways but it also had solid lightsaber fights and the world Lucas presented in it was very good at stoking the imagination and provided fertile ground for new stories in that world.
>the world Lucas presented in it was very good at stoking the imagination and provided fertile ground for new stories in that world.
This is the biggest mistake of the sequels actually. I wouldn't even care if the main story sucked as long as it paved the way for good spinoff books and games the way prequels did. But look at the state of the setting after Rise of Skywalker, it's a barren wasteland in terrms of storytelling. There's a reason basically 0 Disney content so far has been set in a world created by the sequels, it's all PT OT time.
>There's a reason basically 0 Disney content so far has been set in a world created by the sequels, it's all PT OT time.
I'd say Ahsoka but that's just a continuation of Rebels and the same memes as before.
iirc Filoni wanted Ahsoka to be dressed like a muslim but George insisted on the tank top
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FIloni just wanted to keep his waifu "pure" in the public eye. He's that kind of possessive waifugay.
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She wasn’t even Anakin’s Padawan initially.
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Pic related’s the concept art for it.
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Pic related’s the concept art for it.
This already makes more sense. The Ahsoka retcon in Anakin's story is just too contrived even for Lucas standards. She remains a self insert fanfiction for me.
This. Even as a kid when those movies had finally all come out, my mentality was always >You have to suffer through Episode I and II before you get to Episode III and it's good all the way to the end.
George >unable to convince others to direct his prequels, even possibly to relent on some of the more outlandish ideas he introduced, even remarking, I may have gone too far in a few places
Disney >rehashing the OT with none of the soul and hack frauds at the helm and then having everyone admit they had no plan and simultaneously shitting on the OT characters, which, while the PT was not received amazingly well, only mildly tarnished the OT characters. Disney poured radioactive elephant shit on them
People too old for SW(ie RLM and other red background youtube gays) >spend years making dozens of videos shitting on the PT >disney gets wise to it >copies ideas almost verbatim from the RLM vids >Disney ST gets shit on by fans anyways
it was never meant to be a franchise. the original was based off old action serials and the hero's journey, whereas all the other films were just based off the first one.
I actually agree. Star Wars should be Star Wars just like Halo should be Halo. All of these "X franchise should grow up!" animals don't even get the point and always make things worse. In reality, they are the ones who need to grow up if they don't like something anymore.
Changing the core of something is what Disney did, so don't pretend profanity, over the top violence and gore, constant depression, desaturation, and pornography to be more "mature" are needed in response. It's objectively the wrong answer to the problem.
The total homosexualry at Disney took social criticism from a demographic that has never once built so much as a single village or paved a road in the entire history of mankind.
>The total homosexualry at Disney took social criticism from a demographic that has never once built so much as a single village or paved a road in the entire history of mankind.
Gen X?
No, Disney's sequel trilogy was literally everything RLM wanted. >no space politics >limited skywalker drama >more action than intrigue >almost no jedi stuff >no comedic relief characters
It was pure gen x slop
Turning it into a franchise after one successful film was a mistake. The moment they made the fricking Holiday Special, Star Wars became just a money printing machine.
Also, Lucas not hiring better writers and doing all the scripts himself (together with Kasdan, who's almost just as bad a writer). Also also, Lucas directing four films himself (the worst-directed four until episode 9 came along).
Making the Speical Editions was another huge misstep. They weren't needed. Hitchwiener didn't make a special edition of Psycho where he coloured everything and had it redubbed with a better audio quality just because "technology had improved and could be done better now".
Releasing heaps of badly written fanfiction under the official label of the EU is probably the worst thing they did though, completely turned the fanbase into loregayging autists (like Star Trek fans and Bible apologists). Caving in to the demands of those fanbabies over and over and catering to them with cheap fanservice moments (Episode 1 is filled with those, mostly in the form of needless cameos) is the next problem (one that carries on to the Disney stuff even).
Star Wars is a huge mess, and it has been ever since 1978.
>Episode 1 is filled with those, mostly in the form of needless cameos
All of the cameos in the prequels were for film gays. Most EU gays mocked them since they didn't make any sense given the stated ages of the characters.
>All of the cameos in the prequels were for film gays.
They were for people who cared more about "remember X" than about good storytelling.
That's what all Star Wars fanboys seem to have in common, film or EU.
Just like they think Rogue One is a good film because it had Vader slaughtering people in a hallway. Or like they like that one scene in the Mandalorian with Luke slaughtering droids in a hallway.
Cameos are fine if it backs up decent story telling and doesn't shit on a characters legacy. The mandelelorian is literally OMG REMEMBER BOBA FET HERES A WHOLE SERIES ABOUT A GUY THAT LOOKS LIKE HIM AND KINDA DOES HOS THING WOW and was generally written like dog shit. But frick it I'm not mad it's a universe for children which most millennials never had children so it's dying simply because adults care less and less.
>if it backs up decent story telling
It never does with Lucas. Anakin building C3PO? Jabba hosting a race? Boba Fett being a clone? Nothing of that contributes anything worthwhile.
Even just random shit like "I have a bad feeling" in every film, sure, you can ignore it, say it's an in-joke. But at the end of the day, it's something autistic fanboys just obsess about.
I can count the cameos/recalls that did something for the story in Star Wars on one hand: Yoda rejecting Anakin in episode 1 like he rejected Luke, Sand People in episode 2, R2D2 playing Leia's old message in episode 8, Yoda in episode 8, and (as much as I think that film completely shat the bed otherwise) the Han Solo scene in episode 9.
>women >Black folk >ideological decision making process
original films might have had some of these things in moderation but when you give them the reins you end up with, well you end up with nuwars
Leia was more woman than all the women in the sequels combined. She would have also been rejected by chuds these days, especially after mocking Luke's height.
No multimedia project for the sequels. The only reason that people have such nostalgia for the prequels is because of all the video games, cartoons, comics and other shit that was produced alongside it. The prequels are just as bad as the sequels and Lucas made constant mistakes too.
>The prequels were fine
For shallow entertainment, yes. But if you look at them from a filmmaking persepctive, they were severely lacking. >and the sequels were really good.
7 was decent if you ignore the lack of originality, 8 was really good, but 9 was a complete mess.
8 would have been god-tier if Rey had turned evil, but Disney would never allow that. Disney is the problem. Everything has to be generic cookie cutter princess bullshit with them.
>if Rey had turned evil
You could say the same about Luke turning evil in RotJ. I remember Hamill even publicly stating in interviews that that's what he would have wanted for the character (he was always very outspoken), and the whole "there's another" stuff in TESB was reportedly a potential setup if they decided to make more episodes (since Lucas had no plan for the sage).
In the end, neither Lucas nor Johnson went with it, probably not because of any studio involvement, but because it's not the kind of story either wanted to tell. Lucas decided to end it on a positive hopeful note, and Johnson really isn't as subversive as people claim he is, since he really stuck to the themes, motives and general messages the previous films had built up. Rey turning evil wouldn't have fit that.
Lucas made a frickton of money from the first three movies. and just like anyone else that hit the powerball lottery, he decided he didn't need to work anymore, because why the frick would you? anyways, the internet happened. and the internet wouldn't stop screeching at George to get off his fat ass and give us more Star Wars ffs and you should already know the rest of the story by now.
What went wrong is that people like the Cinemaphile mods got a hold of it and decided to bastardize it for personal gain, and anyone who complains should just stop asking questions or caring.
Enough of this arguing. What's everyone want to see out of a new SW animated show? I'd like to see something set during SotE. Frick, imagine a smoking hot Leia cartoon model pretending to be seduced by Xizor's pheromones like in the book. She thinks she's got him tricked, but then he folds her over, lifts up her dress, and his gigantic alien lizard wiener goes straight up her ass. Haha what if she made a face like pic related, teeth gritted as she has to mentally come to terms with the idea that she's being ass raped by the galaxy's biggest crime lord as her lover is a fricking wall decoration for a hermaphroditic slug?
literally the most comprehensive critique of not just how the prequels failed as star wars movies but how they failed as movies as a whole. plinkett contrarianism has no place here.
It is moronic. It reduces the force into a science that can be observed, robbing it of any mystery or excitement. Pretty simple for people who arent alpha-level spergtards.
The foundation was weak. Good for 3 flicks but so morally ambiguous it was impossible to continue effectively. The so-called Good Side are liars and manipulators. The Bad Side were merely Machiavellian, and arguably the best form of maintaining order in society.
With the Rey movie being canceled there may be hope for Star Wars to correct course I will say this the last two Star Wars things Andor and Ahsoka were almost watchable so that’s a big improvement over what we’ve been getting
Steven Spielberg turning down the offer to direct Episode I
Lucas not bringing in additional writers
Can you millennials stop pretending the prequels are bad? Please man, get the frick over it
Millennials are the ones that grew up with the prequels and defended them. Gen-Xers are the ones that shit their pants over them.
Can you moronic zoomers stop pretending that prequels are good?
you are homosexual
You better not have any fun while he's around or you'll regret it!
Gen Z’s 1996-2009. So if you’re within that birth range, you’re a zoomer.
they are unwatchable garbage. if Episode 1 came out in '77, there wouldn't be a Star War world. it would be on MST3000 on a loop.
I don't have to pretend when it's an objective fact that they're gay and moronic.
Episode One - Anakin is Space Jesus
Episode Two - Absolutely forgettable
Episode Three - Ok, we wasted two movies on Anakin’s backstory and accomplished nothing, now we gotta rush everything to turn him into Vader by the end. Who cares if it makes sense or not?
Are they as bad as the sequels? Not by a long shot. But they’re pretty fricking abysmal.
This is the definitive and most accurate review of prequelshit
I thought it made a lot of sense.
Anakin was angry with the jedi for a while now but still tried to turn in Palpatine. His plan was to have him arrested and try to get the method to save Padme out of him.
He panicked when Windu was about to kill Palpatine.
After that point of no return he only had one option left, Yoda would have slaughtered him.
And despite all he did he never fully turned to the dark side which is why Luke was able to turn him.
Millennials love the prequels.
Zoomers. Not millennials.
Millennials were 16 when the RoTS was released. We loved it. Gen Xers were the ones that hated them.
>Zoomers. Not millennials.
Both, really.
Millenials love the prequels for blind nostalgia reasons. Gen Z love the prequels because of reddit/prequelmemes and their own media illiteracy making them adopt their opinions from social media.
>Gen Z love the prequels because of reddit/prequelmemes and their own media illiteracy making them adopt their opinions from social media.
lmao this. I recall one zoomer in particular claiming that the prequels were "apolitical" which was hilarious given that everyone knew that they were subtle jabs at Bush and the patriot act (especially the Revenge of the Sith.)
>political themes = movie is political by itself
Cringe leftist.
Will you ever learn?
t. zoomer or millennial Bush supporter (even worse btw)
woke israeli takeover of a sleeper christian franchise.
>sleeper Christian franchise
elaborate
>Boomers were too dumb to take slightly different SW
>Boomers got brains replaced with RLM
>Boomers hated Lucas
>Lucas got sad and sell SW to Disney
>Disney got all greedy and turned SW into soulless shit
This.
Or prequels were shit movies. Think about it
People like to shit on Hayden’s performance when he actually modeled it after James Earl Jones’ portrayal of Darth Vader. The voice is just a filter, but the speech patterns should be identical which is why Anakin speaks the way he does.
gigacope
hayden is a shit actor
The No.1 Problem:
Star Wars' appeal is aesthetic and archetypical story-telling and everyone got the wrong message.
Fans
Industry
George
Lucasfilm
Disney
They all went
>Hurrduurrr LORE! That's what makes Star Wars great! Let's make everything about LORE. Let's tie everything together in one big tapestry! The more the hone in on lore, and this has been true since the original two films, the more contrived and full of holes this whole thing becomes.
Fricked up my greentext, but you get the message. We should've never seen the Clone Wars, or the Kessell run. Luke and Leia shouldn't be siblings. Vader's bride should not have been a major player in the Republic, but maybe an unexpected romance with a local on a planet while at war or something. Nurses him to health/fricks him. Maybe he's already Vader at this point so the idea of
>J...Jedi...? The f....foooorce?
Feels a little more legit, considering it's weird that they're this archaic, ancient and potentially hypothetical thing, despite being canonically dead less than 20 years.
>Can sense the presence of an old mentor on a moon sized battle station
>Can't sense his own kids staring him right in the face.
Because he’s met and known Obi-Wan for years. He’s never met Luke and Leia so they don’t register as his kids but just that they’re force-sensitive. If anything, they’d feel familiar, but he wouldn’t have the context as to why.
>Feels a little more legit, considering it's weird that they're this archaic, ancient and potentially hypothetical thing, despite being canonically dead less than 20 years.
What if DVD/Streaming/etc didn't exist, and you could only see movies in theaters? How archaicly legendary would the prequel movies be now that they're 20 years old? Also if information is easily lost and there's no internet in space, maybe its easier for times in living memory to pass into legend, eg Cinemaphile oldgays, especially since Cinemaphile is 20 years old.
Most of the people we see in the series are still alive though
I don't get where you're coming from when the mythos and hints of a bigger world were already there since day one. Why should they have been left unexplored?
>Lucas wanted to make movies to sell toys
All what the dude wanted was to tell a story. He's a business man sure, but also a cultured creative guy. Watch his interviews.
>Why should they have been left unexplored?
Because that was part of the magic of it. Entering a world that already exists as has a long history of things that you weren't a part of. By over-exploring everything, you make the universe feel smaller and you open it up to way more contrivances and all the shoe-leather makes the series progressively less interesting.
cute 'beni
Fricking this. I'm tired of lore autists. These Star Wars Youtubers are pure cancer.
>let's talk about tertiary character #349 for 40 minutes
>muh theories
>muh theories
Remember when they were pushing this fricking moronic ''JAR JAR IS ACTUALLY A SITH LORD'' bullshit?
wew
You can focus on lore without having Toddler Anakin build C-3PO
Only the intent.
Lucas wanted to make movies to sell toys.
Disney wants to make movie to sell shares.
Women
Kathleen Kennedy had to be one of the biggest idiots, spent all that time sound George and didn’t learn a god damn thing
Consumer culture. It's actually pretty incredible how well it has sustained itself as a living mythology. At this point it is crystalizing around the Lucas saga in reaction to Disney's rot and whether or not it will continue being a 'living' mythology will depend entirely on how passionate the fans are and how much of the next generation takes up the torch in spite of the passionless corporations that "own" it. Overall, from what I've seen in the communities I lurk in, I'm optimistic about Star Wars' future.
Absolutely based pic my mn...I will never forgive the frickwits from Disney for destroying the EU.
It's not dead! If anything the younger Star Wars fans seem to gravitate toward the old EU over the Disney 'canon' because it's just plain fun and it has a lot more to read about than the nuggets of shit that Disney grunts out.
It’s also cool as frick.
This. I will never forget Jedi Academy. I spend like hours every day playing deathmatch or CTF with bots
You don't even have to play with bots. I saw some servers last week full of people playing.
>passionate
>jerks who spend the whole day attacking every director, producer and actor of Disney Wars
Yeah surely very passionate people, what can go wrong? It isn't as if the community used to insult and harrass the creator of the series or anything.
Kyle is a generic character, the EU was never canon and zoomers don't care about it, it's just the same old people.
Kyle had more personality than any of your fricking moronic characters from the sequel trilogy.
Same shit, honestly. DisneyWars and EU collectively are just glorified fanfics.
>Thrawn Trilogy
>Glorified fanfic
Yes. You've got it.
No. You are a zoomshit homosexual.
Man that little argument is so pointless that I'd assume you are getting fricked with by people have fun talking shit.
No, you are just 13 years old.
No, I'm just not a friendless nerd who reads fricking Star Wars books lmfao
It is heartening to me to see this kind of mindset return to Star Wars. All of these sci-fi fandoms are better off when they are largely regarded as nerd shit. Everything is worse with normies.
Now how can we get normies to view Star Trek that way again?
You are a homosexual.
Lol you read Star Wars books and you really think any opinion you have holds value. You don't even have the self-awareness to be quietly ashamed of it.
It had his approval until he'd need to do something in the movies that would contradict it. EU was only there for autist consooomers who need more Star Wars than somehow 6 whole films could satisfy.
If he'd need to do something in the movies that would contradict it he'd simply tell the authors to not write about it like with the Thrawn trilogy and Clone Wars.
But the point is, the movies were not going to be slavish to the EU. Any time George changed his mind or made a decision about Canon, that would ultimately override anything in the EU. And it's for the simple and ultimate fact that George, as an artist and populist filmmaker, knows that 99% of the audience is only seeing the movies. Therefore the only thing the movies need to be consistent with is each other. The movies are what Star Wars IS. The expanded universe are what Star Wars sells.
The EU had George's approval and guidance, Nu Wars doesn't.
>he's stoic and strong
Revolutionary
The dude’s kind of a Gary Stu. He’s got too much shit going on. It’s good that they split him into different characters. Shame that Andor died at the end of Rogue One and Rebels being too kiddy and shitty with the ones who weren’t Kanan and Hera.
>The dude’s kind of a Gary Stu
Uh...no. He was the chad of SW universe.
Darth Emo was a simp for the Mary Sue of the sequel trilogy.
Comes with the territory of being a main character in a doom clone. Every one of those games are so much fun. Mysteries of the Sith is probably my absolute favorite.
Stop being a homosexual.
I hope the next generation embraces Disney and the sequel trilogy and gatekeep all the chuds (who don't even care about SW anymore) out of the franchise.
Oh that will definitely happen, just give it two more weeks
>Lucas saga
Lucas already ruined SW with the prequels, long before DIsney
Disney re-canonized him as "Cal Kestis"
It was always shit.
Return of the Jedi brought the story to a conclusion but the franchise made too much money so they had to keep milking it with cashgrabs.
Dumbasses b***hed about the prequels.
Dumbasses b***hed about The Last Jedi.
Basically dumbasses hate Star Wars made by artists, they just want to consoom product.
>What went wrong?
The prequels
Forgetting that it's supposed to be an escapist fantasy for 12 year old boys. It's a dime novel/pulp fiction that's basically Arthurian Legend in space. Chivalry, honour, knights-errant, princesses, yadda yadda.
The prequels tried to make it into a serious political thriller, and the sequels were two hour toy commercials.
only the first movie was like that
it sticks out like a sore thumb compared to V, VI, and the prequels which is the superior trilogy tbh
A New Hope is the best one, zoomaloom
The frick out of here. Empire’s easily the best of the OT
Kathleen Kennedy thought that all the top tier talent she helped oversee back in the 80s somehow translated into talent of her own. Turns out she doesn't know shit about shit.
A very concerning lack of beach content in this franchise. I really enjoyed the last third of rogue one where they run around on an entire planet made up of beaches! It was like The Beach (2000) with lasers!
Women is what went wrong. They gave the franchise to a woman who didnt understand anything about it. She thought it would be successful whatever she did. She didnt have the vision of George Lucas, so there was no plan or cohesive story. All there was, was get representation for women. And now all they have left is a wasteland, stories with deadends, characters no one cares about. Its dead.
>What went wrong?
women
Without Marcia Lukas, the first Star Wars movie would have been a failure.
Stop spreading this bullshit. She and two others edited the movie according to the script under George's supervision. Basically, how every fricking movie is edited, dumbass.
prove it
Women. It was for Boys/Men. Disneys a girl company and wanted to make it appeal to women more. By doing that they lost the interest of boys.
the original isn't that great. Luke has a crazy long weekend. joins a cult, somehow knows how to fly a fighter. attack scene completely stolen, including dialog. I saw it in the theater at 11. then, at that age, it was cool. Battlestar Galactica had a better story.
The invention of the internet made Lucas think that making a Prequel Trilogy would be popular. It's because the internet.
>What went wrong?
Disney bought the IP because they wanted to expand their business by catering to boys and Star Wars fans, but Lucasfilms is helmed by a mentally ill accountant lady who wants to pander to herself. All the projects she meddles in end up being some kind of trojan horse for female empowerment that leads to abominations like Reva killing any chance of a story being good.
But Star Wars can still be good if it doesn't focus on pandering to KK. See:
>a story about the birth of a revolution and all the ugliness that entails
>a story about a scared boy gradually becoming a man through sheer persistence
>a story about a gruff mercenary getting shit done (I'm just looking at S1 here)
These were good precisely because they were helmed by other guys who weren't part of KK's nepotism clique, guys who knew the setting benefits from being expanded. Unlike KK who thinks Star Wars is about how to replace the Skywalker saga character and stories with girlbosses.
Get rid of KK and her cronies, and I promise Star Wars overall can come back.
We have to stop pretending the Prequel Trilogy wasn't garbage. Start Wars Episode I was lampooned for its awfulness.
Episode 1 was garbage in some ways but it also had solid lightsaber fights and the world Lucas presented in it was very good at stoking the imagination and provided fertile ground for new stories in that world.
>the world Lucas presented in it was very good at stoking the imagination and provided fertile ground for new stories in that world.
This is the biggest mistake of the sequels actually. I wouldn't even care if the main story sucked as long as it paved the way for good spinoff books and games the way prequels did. But look at the state of the setting after Rise of Skywalker, it's a barren wasteland in terrms of storytelling. There's a reason basically 0 Disney content so far has been set in a world created by the sequels, it's all PT OT time.
>There's a reason basically 0 Disney content so far has been set in a world created by the sequels, it's all PT OT time.
I'd say Ahsoka but that's just a continuation of Rebels and the same memes as before.
I still can't believe Ahsoka was Lucas idea.
iirc Filoni wanted Ahsoka to be dressed like a muslim but George insisted on the tank top
FIloni just wanted to keep his waifu "pure" in the public eye. He's that kind of possessive waifugay.
She wasn’t even Anakin’s Padawan initially.
Pic related’s the concept art for it.
This already makes more sense. The Ahsoka retcon in Anakin's story is just too contrived even for Lucas standards. She remains a self insert fanfiction for me.
>and the world Lucas presented in it was very good at stoking the imagination
is that why the Zoomers are so racist and antisemitic?
I think that has more to do with the races and the semites.
Most Zoomies are trans
This. Even as a kid when those movies had finally all come out, my mentality was always
>You have to suffer through Episode I and II before you get to Episode III and it's good all the way to the end.
> Episode III
The novelization’s even better.
Rogue One was also in production before the buyout.
Thks is the core of it. Lucasfilm or Disney bought a boys franchise, but are trying to turn it into a girls one for some reason.
>normies think star wars is lame garbage for nerds again
we are so fricking back
>dunes ruined tho
It's so fricking joever
>box office bomb after bomb
>still not fired
what's her secret?
damn that's a ugly b***h
being a ugly b***h
the original trilogy was liberal propaganda
Women.
>What went wrong?
veganas
Hey there you are.
"People" ruin it for easy attention. Same thing as here, really.
based
cringe
George
>unable to convince others to direct his prequels, even possibly to relent on some of the more outlandish ideas he introduced, even remarking, I may have gone too far in a few places
Disney
>rehashing the OT with none of the soul and hack frauds at the helm and then having everyone admit they had no plan and simultaneously shitting on the OT characters, which, while the PT was not received amazingly well, only mildly tarnished the OT characters. Disney poured radioactive elephant shit on them
People too old for SW(ie RLM and other red background youtube gays)
>spend years making dozens of videos shitting on the PT
>disney gets wise to it
>copies ideas almost verbatim from the RLM vids
>Disney ST gets shit on by fans anyways
It was made.
Women.
It ended in 1983.
>What went wrong?
Disney. How is that a question?! Everyone knows it and nothing comes close in the slightest
letting woke women into creative roles.
it was never meant to be a franchise. the original was based off old action serials and the hero's journey, whereas all the other films were just based off the first one.
Adult fans. Keep a childrens IP a childrens IP.
I actually agree. Star Wars should be Star Wars just like Halo should be Halo. All of these "X franchise should grow up!" animals don't even get the point and always make things worse. In reality, they are the ones who need to grow up if they don't like something anymore.
Changing the core of something is what Disney did, so don't pretend profanity, over the top violence and gore, constant depression, desaturation, and pornography to be more "mature" are needed in response. It's objectively the wrong answer to the problem.
You use that excuse to justify terrible products
The total homosexualry at Disney took social criticism from a demographic that has never once built so much as a single village or paved a road in the entire history of mankind.
>The total homosexualry at Disney took social criticism from a demographic that has never once built so much as a single village or paved a road in the entire history of mankind.
Gen X?
Women, you simp
No, Disney's sequel trilogy was literally everything RLM wanted.
>no space politics
>limited skywalker drama
>more action than intrigue
>almost no jedi stuff
>no comedic relief characters
It was pure gen x slop
First, frick RLM.
>no space politics
Literally named the good side The Resistance, after the WW2 french underground
>limited skywalker drama
Disney is a trademark factory. They were going to push their own 100% owned by Disney characters regardless.
>more action than intrigue
What intrigue? Seriously the only intrigue was Vader being a deadbeat dad.
>almost no jedi stuff
What the frick movies were you watching? Rey was doing Jedi mind tricks right off the bat.
>no comedic relief characters
Sure looked like they turned Han and Luke into jokes to me.
Stop deflecting feminist homosexualry and corporatism onto unfunny eclebs.
Turning it into a franchise after one successful film was a mistake. The moment they made the fricking Holiday Special, Star Wars became just a money printing machine.
Also, Lucas not hiring better writers and doing all the scripts himself (together with Kasdan, who's almost just as bad a writer). Also also, Lucas directing four films himself (the worst-directed four until episode 9 came along).
Making the Speical Editions was another huge misstep. They weren't needed. Hitchwiener didn't make a special edition of Psycho where he coloured everything and had it redubbed with a better audio quality just because "technology had improved and could be done better now".
Releasing heaps of badly written fanfiction under the official label of the EU is probably the worst thing they did though, completely turned the fanbase into loregayging autists (like Star Trek fans and Bible apologists). Caving in to the demands of those fanbabies over and over and catering to them with cheap fanservice moments (Episode 1 is filled with those, mostly in the form of needless cameos) is the next problem (one that carries on to the Disney stuff even).
Star Wars is a huge mess, and it has been ever since 1978.
>Episode 1 is filled with those, mostly in the form of needless cameos
All of the cameos in the prequels were for film gays. Most EU gays mocked them since they didn't make any sense given the stated ages of the characters.
>All of the cameos in the prequels were for film gays.
They were for people who cared more about "remember X" than about good storytelling.
That's what all Star Wars fanboys seem to have in common, film or EU.
Just like they think Rogue One is a good film because it had Vader slaughtering people in a hallway. Or like they like that one scene in the Mandalorian with Luke slaughtering droids in a hallway.
Cameos are fine if it backs up decent story telling and doesn't shit on a characters legacy. The mandelelorian is literally OMG REMEMBER BOBA FET HERES A WHOLE SERIES ABOUT A GUY THAT LOOKS LIKE HIM AND KINDA DOES HOS THING WOW and was generally written like dog shit. But frick it I'm not mad it's a universe for children which most millennials never had children so it's dying simply because adults care less and less.
>if it backs up decent story telling
It never does with Lucas. Anakin building C3PO? Jabba hosting a race? Boba Fett being a clone? Nothing of that contributes anything worthwhile.
Even just random shit like "I have a bad feeling" in every film, sure, you can ignore it, say it's an in-joke. But at the end of the day, it's something autistic fanboys just obsess about.
I can count the cameos/recalls that did something for the story in Star Wars on one hand: Yoda rejecting Anakin in episode 1 like he rejected Luke, Sand People in episode 2, R2D2 playing Leia's old message in episode 8, Yoda in episode 8, and (as much as I think that film completely shat the bed otherwise) the Han Solo scene in episode 9.
>women
>Black folk
>ideological decision making process
original films might have had some of these things in moderation but when you give them the reins you end up with, well you end up with nuwars
Leia was more woman than all the women in the sequels combined. She would have also been rejected by chuds these days, especially after mocking Luke's height.
>She would have also been rejected by chuds these days,
Try making a female character on that level before arguing hypoteses
No multimedia project for the sequels. The only reason that people have such nostalgia for the prequels is because of all the video games, cartoons, comics and other shit that was produced alongside it. The prequels are just as bad as the sequels and Lucas made constant mistakes too.
The fandom. The prequels were fine and the sequels were really good.
>The prequels were fine
For shallow entertainment, yes. But if you look at them from a filmmaking persepctive, they were severely lacking.
>and the sequels were really good.
7 was decent if you ignore the lack of originality, 8 was really good, but 9 was a complete mess.
8 would have been god-tier if Rey had turned evil, but Disney would never allow that. Disney is the problem. Everything has to be generic cookie cutter princess bullshit with them.
>if Rey had turned evil
You could say the same about Luke turning evil in RotJ. I remember Hamill even publicly stating in interviews that that's what he would have wanted for the character (he was always very outspoken), and the whole "there's another" stuff in TESB was reportedly a potential setup if they decided to make more episodes (since Lucas had no plan for the sage).
In the end, neither Lucas nor Johnson went with it, probably not because of any studio involvement, but because it's not the kind of story either wanted to tell. Lucas decided to end it on a positive hopeful note, and Johnson really isn't as subversive as people claim he is, since he really stuck to the themes, motives and general messages the previous films had built up. Rey turning evil wouldn't have fit that.
>8 was really good
Do you take all your opinions from youtube?
havent visited youtube in a decade homosexual
So that's a yes.
put the phone down zoom zoom
No new Xwing game in almost 30 years
Squadrons, not a bad game
>What went wrong?
Not ending it when the OT was over. And this will never change, no matter if it SW will still be around in 2 centuries from now
>What went wrong?
Lucas made a frickton of money from the first three movies. and just like anyone else that hit the powerball lottery, he decided he didn't need to work anymore, because why the frick would you? anyways, the internet happened. and the internet wouldn't stop screeching at George to get off his fat ass and give us more Star Wars ffs and you should already know the rest of the story by now.
What went wrong is that people like the Cinemaphile mods got a hold of it and decided to bastardize it for personal gain, and anyone who complains should just stop asking questions or caring.
It exists.
>what went wrong?
The spergs who acted like the prequels were the worst movies to ever come out in cinema.
They ruined SW
Enough of this arguing. What's everyone want to see out of a new SW animated show? I'd like to see something set during SotE. Frick, imagine a smoking hot Leia cartoon model pretending to be seduced by Xizor's pheromones like in the book. She thinks she's got him tricked, but then he folds her over, lifts up her dress, and his gigantic alien lizard wiener goes straight up her ass. Haha what if she made a face like pic related, teeth gritted as she has to mentally come to terms with the idea that she's being ass raped by the galaxy's biggest crime lord as her lover is a fricking wall decoration for a hermaphroditic slug?
I want to frick that Leia so badly. Sucks that later generations are never going to see that sassy b***h ever again.
>hey listen to some fat nerd's opinion on the internet to create your own opinion
literally the most comprehensive critique of not just how the prequels failed as star wars movies but how they failed as movies as a whole. plinkett contrarianism has no place here.
Frick off, nerd.
watch the plinkett reviews
No.
>listen to this youtube hack who unironically thought in 2011 JJ Abrams would make better Star Wars than George Lucas
Again, no.
trust fund band
It is moronic. It reduces the force into a science that can be observed, robbing it of any mystery or excitement. Pretty simple for people who arent alpha-level spergtards.
The Midichlorians are not the Force itself, dude. Pay attention.
The foundation was weak. Good for 3 flicks but so morally ambiguous it was impossible to continue effectively. The so-called Good Side are liars and manipulators. The Bad Side were merely Machiavellian, and arguably the best form of maintaining order in society.
It became bigger than what it was intended to be.
C3-PO's silver leg.
With the Rey movie being canceled there may be hope for Star Wars to correct course I will say this the last two Star Wars things Andor and Ahsoka were almost watchable so that’s a big improvement over what we’ve been getting
lack of artistic vision, just wanted money
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