Disagree. I wanted Jack to find some happiness even when I watched it as a kid. The fact that it was short lived seems in tune with the life of a Samurai (although apparently the Battle Through Time ending is the real canon now)
They sidelined Jack in the second half of the show, and then had a piss poor ending that didn't make sense and that shat all over the entire point of the original show.
>going back in time stops the future from happening, removing his wife from existence >this takes several weeks(?) to happen (I don't think it's specified exactly how long there is between killing Aku and wifey fading into the void) >everyone somehow remembers his wife existing even though, by definition, she never did
It would've taken zero effort to do the bog-standard "branches" interpretation so that the future that Jack saved actually stays saved and in existence.
And that's literally needed because the recurring theme throughout the show was Jack having the chance to go back in time, but giving it up to save someone in the future instead. If all the people in the future stop existing after he goes back in time, it makes the entire journey pointless
It directly contradicts a previous episode where Jack does get access to a time portal but let it go because it would mean sacrificing his friends, which makes no sense if their sacrifice would be erased anyway.
The comic had a way better ending where Jack understands that you can't fix things by time travel and creates a rebellion against Aku before leading a final assault. It tied nicely to the Guardian episode too.
The tv show's ending was so bad it got retconned in the Samurai Jack game that came out a few years ago so Ashi stays alive.
The game ending is soulless fan service. Like, I'm glad people got their fix or whatever but it's not superior in any way.
And Jack's entire theme and goal is to get back to the past so it's good he actually got to do that.
The only thing the comic might've done better is give more attention to the Guardian.
Everything until Jack spares Ashi is absolutely 110% perfect perfect. Then a switch turned on and they didn't know what the frick to do. It was all very haphazard. I don't even remember what happened between the 4th episode and the final episode. The green ghost samurai was completely wasted. I can't even conceive what could have happened after the third episode that made it fall off so hard.
Agreed, Jack surviving in the brutality of Aku's world was great. After Jack's confrontation with the assassin sisters and Ashi it was mediocre at best. He should have regained his spark of hope in a different way. I think they could have used a few more episodes to pad it out too. The original series had 13 episodes per season and 5 only had 10 and the final episodes were really rushed. They needed 1-3 extra episodes
It's technically not a hot take, since most zoomies like you think the same.
Though it IS wrong, since 3D is fricking ugly.
Every single thing that went 3D became ugly.
>muh hecking zoomierinos excuse
moronhomosexual, I was in high school in the 2012 came out, and watched the 2003 as kid.
>Though it IS wrong, >My opinions are le facts
No
>since 3D is fricking ugly.
Both subjective, and a case by case basis, that show actually made it work by being really stylized, and being mostly simple shapes, the turtles being blocky, it's the same thing Green Lantern TAS did.
Watched a bit of 2012 and it seemed alright, but I'm the kinda guy that prefers when the Turtles get a little gritty like the comics.
Mirage, 1990 and 2003 are tops.
Should add the original Clone Wars vs the 2008 3D show here, too. That shit undid all the goodwill work it took to make Star Wars one of the coolest things back in the early 2000s when fans were divisive about the PT.
I still have fond memories from childhood of my parents renting Walking With Beasts and a four episode disc set of Clone Wars from the library and me staying home sick one Friday to watch them. It happened to include the episodes where Anakin duels Ventress and beats her with sheer tard strength alongside the one where Grievous hunts down and kills a group of jedi. It was awesome. It is a shame how badly entertainment and especially children's entertainment has declined.
Everybody agrees with you that it's cool as frick. The main complaints appear to be that in the actual movies he's way more cowardly than how he's portrayed in the cartoon and people are split on which is better
I adore both in their own way, I don’t know why the zoomers start the shit-fling of pitting the two against each-other for the sake of it. Fake nostalgia masquerading as good taste for pieces of media they weren’t alive yet for.
Should add the original Clone Wars vs the 2008 3D show here, too. That shit undid all the goodwill work it took to make Star Wars one of the coolest things back in the early 2000s when fans were divisive about the PT.
another to add: trigun reboot which i didn't see but oh my goodness trailer tells all
You're missing, it's a genuinely good series on its own, beautifully animated and it's more of an alt-history than a reboot, Rurouni Kenshin is a proper reboot
and Bleach is a perfect continuation, literally there's nothing to b***h about other than stuff you already didn't like from the original (for me it will always be weird choice for ichigo's theme)
This is not similar at all because jack came back with the original creator actually writing for it and doing something original with it. You're a moron if you think SJ S5 doesn't look good. Gennedy's Primal also looks awesome visually
Muh romance. I don't give a frick about Jack's emotions, I just want to see cool fights and cool samurai moves. If I wanted to see forced romance bullshit I'd be watching a different show.
There should've just been more, Idk if it was CN/AS who restricted him, maybe it was because they were testing the water, and didn't know if audiences would be receptive to adult action cartoons, but it obviously needed more episodes, I think the one thing most people agree on is how rushed the last like 2-3 episodes felt.
Also, maybe this is controversial, but I genuinely don't mind the romance, but think it, like other things in the season, would've benefited from more time.
Bad writing. Trying too hard to be edgy. Changing who Samurai Jack is. Having the big draw to the show that Samurai Jack kills people and that some characters get killed off. Shitty love interest.
But the biggest thing about it is that you just grew up. Samurai Jack was cool for kids. It was very interesting and novel seeing a cartoon do all sorts of interesting filmmaking techniques that your little moron child brain has never seen. If you rewatch it as an adult it's all just references to other movies so it's not as cool anymore and honestly comes across as lazy as frick recreating all these iconic shots with cheap lazy animation. Even if the sequel lived up to the original, it would have been disappointing because you're not 12 anymore.
>film making techniques
Just the fact that they'd go minutes at a time without any actual words being spoken was out there at the time. Just traveling across scenery, the wind blowing and whatever beast of burden clip clopping it's hooves or breathing. Some rocks tumbling. Not much had the confidence to keep kids attention with simple shit like Jack did.
>Changing who Samurai Jack is
That was kind of the point. After decades of the same endless struggle, watching people suffer and die, he had lost hope and become bitter.
Also, I don’t think Jack was ever opposed to killing when it was necessary. They made most of the enemies he slices up turn out to be robots just to avoid censors, but they were still self aware robots.
>film making techniques
Just the fact that they'd go minutes at a time without any actual words being spoken was out there at the time. Just traveling across scenery, the wind blowing and whatever beast of burden clip clopping it's hooves or breathing. Some rocks tumbling. Not much had the confidence to keep kids attention with simple shit like Jack did.
That’s what I loved about it. And I still love those episodes today.
Da Samurai didn't actually take up the Samurai code and fight with Jack.
The Big Blue bear thing or whatever didn't show up.
The Guardian got off screened by whatever. I assume Aku, but still. He deserved a battle.
To be fair, how many episodes was it? It is probably a tall order to bring satisfying ends to all these plots as well as any of your own in 12 episodes.
>What if Samurai Jack was hekkin mature?
morons. Samurai Jack was best when it was a villain of the week story. The best parts were always one off villains that Jack needed to beat in creative ways while helping the local populace. The romance feels extremely tacked on and everybody wanted Jack to have apprentice, not a lover.
Everything until Jack spares Ashi is absolutely 110% perfect perfect. Then a switch turned on and they didn't know what the frick to do. It was all very haphazard. I don't even remember what happened between the 4th episode and the final episode. The green ghost samurai was completely wasted. I can't even conceive what could have happened after the third episode that made it fall off so hard.
>Everything until Jack spares Ashi is absolutely 110% perfect perfect. Then a switch turned on and they didn't know what the frick to do. It was all very haphazard. I don't even remember what happened between the 4th episode and the final episode
this
The first 3 episodes are just standard action oriented affair. The rest of the show was about people who actually care about Jack beyond random ninja guy and want his life to go somewhere.
jeez grandpa, there's teenagers with more refined taste than you
9 months ago
Anonymous
because I don't know about some shitty anime?
9 months ago
Anonymous
yes, unironically. imagine sharing the same views about animation as middle aged housewives
9 months ago
Anonymous
>y-you haven't consoomed enough media, how dare you!
I'm not losing sleep over it, I'll tell you that much
9 months ago
Anonymous
speaking of sleep, it's way past your bedtime, grandpa
9 months ago
Anonymous
great, maybe I'll put on some gurren lagan to quicken the process
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's the smartest decision you ever made in your life
9 months ago
Anonymous
What dumb projection
9 months ago
Anonymous
define projection
9 months ago
Anonymous
lol weebs are so fragile
9 months ago
Anonymous
As opposed to western cartoon fans?
9 months ago
Anonymous
yes actually, I never see the spaz out like this
9 months ago
Anonymous
hoo boy, good thing you never been to Cinemaphile then
9 months ago
Anonymous
Cinemaphile is at least 20% weebs. Also, most western cartoon/comic fans already acknowledge the flaws of the industry's current output.
Weebs are guilty of everything they say about western fans if not more, but they get a pass since muh animu website.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How does it feel that Samurai Jack has a quarter of the budget Gurren Lagann did and it looks so much better?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>it looks so much better?
try being a bit more subjective
9 months ago
Anonymous
It does. Samurai Jack is a legitimate achievement in the art of animation while Gurren Lagann is just known for it's sakuga. Japan doesn't know how to further push the boundaries of art in anime unless it's Yuasa projects and others.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Gurren Lagann is just known for it's sakuga.
dumb speedwatcher. i bet gurren lagann is the only mecha you have ever watched
9 months ago
Anonymous
>speedwatcher
I'm right though. I like Gurren Lagann and it has it's emotional moments but the real draw is how insanely well animated the show is. >i bet gurren lagann is the only mecha you have ever watched
What does this have to do with anything, also not true. I've seen Eva, Bokura no, Franxx (this was garbage), Gridman (also boring), and some Gundam shows.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Gurren Lagann explicitly references a shit ton of earlier mecha anime, especially Getter Robo and Mazinger Z. That's it's real achievement, not muh sakuga.
9 months ago
Anonymous
TTGL is not as good as you're trying to make it out to be.
Needed more episodes which would solve the issue that you never get to see Jack get into creative and unique adventures. I love that episode of the original where Jack is turned into a chicken and forced to wienerfight. I wanted more episodes like that but each one had to move the plot along somehow.
The series was never created as a story that would end. No ending would have been satisfactory unless there was a massive multiple season buildup to it, because that's not how the original show was written, basically the newer singular narrative focused stuff would have to outnumber the original baddie of the week stuff to have felt satisfying. It came from a time when serials were meant to go on forever until they were cancelled.
Realistically it was as good an ending as we could have hoped for.
Completely agree. That being said, I liked the bittersweet ending.
It's not the kind of choice that will win the popularity contest but it makes it more authentic in a way.
The fact that Jack even destroyed Aku and lived to tell the tale is a worthy victory.
Hugely disagree. >Keep first 3/4 episodes the same. >Have Jack run in the Scotsman who has gathered an army of all of Jack's old friends >They're going to launch a final offensive to take down Aku >Ashi tells them why their plan sucks and how to fix it >Jack has to find some guardian of some variety and do a challenge to get a key >Jack and Ashi go in a different route while the Scotsman attacks the front >Scotsman wins >Jack and Ashi have a final fight with Aku >Aku loses and everyone celebrates >Jack, now recognising that it's time, decides to go back to the guardian who has a time portal >Tearful goodbye to all the friends he made along the way >goes back in time alone after beating the guardian, indicating that he's grown up >fights and kills Aku in the past >smiles at the sky knowing that his friends are alright in an unrealised future
But if he killed Aku in the past, the outcome for his friends would remain the same.
The only scenario where they're left intact is if he stays in the future.
But that wouldn't be an optimal ending imo. The entire theme is "gotta get back"
It would be ambiguous as to whether or not his friends still existed.
That's the mistake of bringing Ashi back to the past and having her fade into nothingness; it confirms that everything stops existing in a very dumb way
Definitely. When you consider that the entire theme of Samurai Jack and the fifth season in particular is letting go of the past and moving forwards no matter what this is the only ending that makes sense. Not only could they have the Jack + Ashi happy ending but it would tie together all the people in the future that Jack helped coming back to help him against Aku
There was a game released after the show and that's the current canon ending, except he did go in the past. Presumably, all his future friends survived anyway, since only Ashi was directly tied to Aku as a father.
But this happy ending honestly feels cheap to me.
gennedy can't write endings for shit
terrible love interest that takes up half the screentime despite no one caring about her
poorly written romance
cliched ending that has been done 1000 times
NTA but most of the complaints here essentially amount to "it wasn't sloppy enough".
It seems most people just wanted more katana fights with robots and that's it.
>dumbed down
Staying true to what the series has always been about, giving the fans the very thing that got them into the show in the first place... is "dumbing down"?
Again: You are pretentious.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what pretentious means. And the show did stay true to what it has always been about, given that the final season was made by the original creator. Maybe you just didn't notice the so called pretentiousness in past episodes because you were too focused on the flashing images.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>That's not what pretentious means
"attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed"
You zoomies love consuming slop that tries to be "deep", and then pretending it's better than it actually is and "the goat".
That's textbook pretentious, moron.
>And the show did stay true to what it has always been about
No, it hasn't. The entire love plot is not what the show is about. "Muh mental health" is not what the show is about.
>final season was made by the original creator
So was The Matrix 4.
What a moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Pretentiousness is dishonest though, as per your own definition. This show is earnest, you just hated the fact that it was 99% action slop, or you didn't realize that wasn't the case when you watched it as a kid. >So was The Matrix 4.
The Matrix 4 consciously and purposefully shits on the Matrix. There was no such thing here.
9 months ago
Anonymous
it wasn't* 99% action slop
I'd like to hear what past episodes had a character with as much focus as Ashi.
The nature of the airing on CN didn't allow for an episodic consecutive nature like AS did. Genndy has talked about this.
But there were still some recurring characters, who got referenced in S5.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you just hated the fact that it wasn't 99% action slop
What are you doing in this thread if you hate the real Samurai Jack and call it slop?
Do you zoomies literally just derive pleasure from seeing everything made worse?
>The Matrix 4 consciously and purposefully shits on the Matrix. There was no such thing here.
Fine. Kingdom of the crystal skull was still made by Spielberg. Happy?
Point still stands that the original creators can still shit the bed and frick up their own creations, zoomie, just like Tartakovsky did.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>What are you doing in this thread if you hate the real Samurai Jack and call it slop?
I corrected myself. >Point still stands that the original creators can still shit the bed and frick up their own creations, zoomie, just like Tartakovsky did.
He didn't, you just grew up. Genndy hasn't changed much as a person if at all and he gave a good ending to people who actually cared about Jack beyond just muh sword.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you just grew up
You schizos can't make up your mind; did we grow up, or are we manchildren?
>Genndy hasn't changed much as a person
Good for him? This is about how shitty of a show creator he is now, not about his personality.
>people who actually cared about Jack beyond just muh sword.
Again: Pretentious.
It's entertainment. Stop trying to make it """deep""" and """meaningful""".
You're like those actors who go on award shows preaching about how their "art" "changes the world".
Frick off.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How the frick is a cartoon made by cartoon network studios pretentious?
Just stick to Bayformers you moron
9 months ago
Anonymous
>How the frick is a cartoon made by cartoon network studios pretentious?
Adult Swim, moron.
>writing a character that's relatable and likeable, a basic staple of writing, is pretentious
you're the only pretentious one lmao
>Jack wasn't likeable nor relatable before season 5
What a moron
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
Anonymous
>writing a character that's relatable and likeable, a basic staple of writing, is pretentious
you're the only pretentious one lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
liking exclusively shallow media doesn't make you have good taste either, just saiyan
9 months ago
Anonymous
>wanting entertainment to be entertaining doesn't make you big brain pretentious like me
9 months ago
Anonymous
>entertainment can only ever be lowest common denominator spectacles and CGI shit flying around
9 months ago
Anonymous
Now Samurai Jack is CGI
Zoomies should be beheaded
9 months ago
Anonymous
They're catering to people like you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What are babbling about now, schizo
9 months ago
Anonymous
Literally this whole thread is people crying about how there isn't enough action and spectacle in S5. Zoomies my ass. I grew up with this show and know it better than you do.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'd like to hear what past episodes had a character with as much focus as Ashi.
Sure, but that's just one component. There was a human element to Jack that was portrayed better than a lot of other cartoons. If the entire show was just a compilation of fight choreography its appeal wouldn't be as lasting.
jack being able to kill people unironically ruined the action scenes because it meant instead of being really creative to make something interesting in spite of it they can just do stock anime samurai shit you've seen dozens of times by now
Haven't watched it yet, I'm still making my way through season 2 of Primal, and definitely don't agree
People are praising it, but I don't.
Nothing Genndy made after the original Samurai Jack is good.
, I've the ending of Primal is also kinda bad/disappointing, so maybe the thing about Genndy not being good at endings is true, but there's plenty in Primal that is good, and hell even the first Hotel Transylvania is f i n e.
The second season of Primal was good overall but felt disjointed in general. The final episode of season 1 seemed to imply something completely different with Meera and the Scorpion. For example the Scorpion was portrayed by Meera to have been some kind of warlord as opposed to an actual god and I assumed he was going to function like a Near Eastern Conanesque despot. Which is the role the Egyptian queen ended up filling, she turned out to be a pretty good antagonist so that worked out alright. I assume they changed a lot between Season 1 and 2 which is why some of it comes off as disjointed as it does. Building up the confrontation between the fire-viking and Fang/Spear for the entire season then fumbling the landing like that was unacceptable though and even with Genndy's track record on endings I'm confused as to how he could make it that lame. Not to mention also wasteing time with a flashback to Meera's enslavement as though that mattered at all in an already rushed and bloated finale. What we really didn't need in Primal was the grotesque to the point of comedy scene where Meera impregnates herself with Spear's charred half-dead body a few minutes before he expires. Was it so hard to just make them bang before he fought the fire-viking?
I watched all of the show a few months back. Older episodic format was absolutely perfect. You'd have garbage episodes where le wacky stuff keeps happening, and they would always be written by the same two shit writers but i don't remember who now. But overall it really was great, especially the episodes that built on the lore a bit and tried to flesh out Jack's character more. Come season five there really wasn't that much material. The whole season would be like one episode in the earlier format and nothing would be lost. Antagonists were boring as well. Furthermore I feel like the show was building towards Jack accepting the world as is and trying to better its current state anyway. Because otherwise all the good he has done in this world and all the friends he has made are erased. So him choosing to go back in time anyway in the end felt out of place for me and this attempt to write a rushed romance plot to somehow give the ending more nuance by making it bitter-sweet is just not it.
Yeah, it was one thing to replace a guy in a currently airing series. Especially when his performance as Iroh wasn't nearly as over the top and almost operatic as Aku.
Samurai jack shouldn't have made it back....back to the past WATCHAAAA.
Him been stuck to the past is what made the future work.
by going back he ruined everything
I liked it but it wasnt how I imagined it ending.
The show was always about him trying to get back to the past, but if he beats Aku in the past it probably means all the people he saved in the future will never even exist. On the other hand I guess that means they never suffer in the first place but idk.
Could have ended in two ways >he finally becomes the man he was supposed to be, defeats the portal guardian and goes back in time >he teams up with many of the people he saved and beats Aku with their help, then stays in the future and helps rebuild the world
What we got was really neither of those and it needed more episodes.
Love interest was fine, it just sucks that she disappears.
>he finally becomes the man he was supposed to be, defeats the portal guardian and goes back in time >he teams up with many of the people he saved and beats Aku with their help, then stays in the future and helps rebuild the world
It should have been a combination of both of these. He leads the resistance against Aku, becomes king conan, rebuilds the future and then returns to his own time.
Or Jack just never finds a way home and Aku and Jack just keep fighting until the sun burns out.
>rebuilds the future and then returns to his own time
That would be redundant because by returning he would destroy the future timeline.
Either way I just wanted more fanservice. All we got was the scotsman who was too old to do anything cool.
Disregarded plotlines that were setup well in advanced in both the show and the comic in favor of a tacked on ending. Gennady and his team probably never intended the portal guardian or the gems of cronos to show up again because they wrote the series with the mindset that every episode should be self contained like Dexter's lab and the series suffers as a result.
The introduction of guns, I think the concept of samurai jack finally killing someone added depth but the weird alter jack stylization kind of took away from it.
>Design pointless irrelevant background character that intentionally looks like a penis >Have character state "he looks like a penis" >"Wow we said "penis" bet you didnt think we'd actually say that look how edgy and mature we are."
>Design pointless irrelevant background character that intentionally looks like a penis >Have character state "he looks like a penis" >"Wow we said "penis" bet you didnt think we'd actually say that look how edgy and mature we are."
No the ending of season 5 and the show are literally a rip off of Gurren Lagann, but it's probably the worst part of Gurren Lagann's ending so I don't even know why they wanted to copy it
YA SOVLLESS REBOOTIN'
How was it a reboot?
The story continued
That’s what a reboot means, anon
esl moron
Ok thanks for admitting that. What part do you need more explaining?
The final episode should've been split into two. Other than that, nothing.
spbp
I don't know why we're still talking about this.
Absolutely nothing.
Shoehorning in romance in a show that didn't need it.
Disagree. I wanted Jack to find some happiness even when I watched it as a kid. The fact that it was short lived seems in tune with the life of a Samurai (although apparently the Battle Through Time ending is the real canon now)
They sidelined Jack in the second half of the show, and then had a piss poor ending that didn't make sense and that shat all over the entire point of the original show.
>that didn't make sense
how?
>going back in time stops the future from happening, removing his wife from existence
>this takes several weeks(?) to happen (I don't think it's specified exactly how long there is between killing Aku and wifey fading into the void)
>everyone somehow remembers his wife existing even though, by definition, she never did
time travel almost never makes sense so they may as well get creative with it
It would've taken zero effort to do the bog-standard "branches" interpretation so that the future that Jack saved actually stays saved and in existence.
And that's literally needed because the recurring theme throughout the show was Jack having the chance to go back in time, but giving it up to save someone in the future instead. If all the people in the future stop existing after he goes back in time, it makes the entire journey pointless
They probably got reincarnated anyway and got to live good lives. A planet controlled by Aku isn't really worth living on.
It directly contradicts a previous episode where Jack does get access to a time portal but let it go because it would mean sacrificing his friends, which makes no sense if their sacrifice would be erased anyway.
The comic had a way better ending where Jack understands that you can't fix things by time travel and creates a rebellion against Aku before leading a final assault. It tied nicely to the Guardian episode too.
The tv show's ending was so bad it got retconned in the Samurai Jack game that came out a few years ago so Ashi stays alive.
The game ending is soulless fan service. Like, I'm glad people got their fix or whatever but it's not superior in any way.
And Jack's entire theme and goal is to get back to the past so it's good he actually got to do that.
The only thing the comic might've done better is give more attention to the Guardian.
This. First few episodes were absolute kino but then it just bizzarely shits the bed
Agreed, Jack surviving in the brutality of Aku's world was great. After Jack's confrontation with the assassin sisters and Ashi it was mediocre at best. He should have regained his spark of hope in a different way. I think they could have used a few more episodes to pad it out too. The original series had 13 episodes per season and 5 only had 10 and the final episodes were really rushed. They needed 1-3 extra episodes
should have kept the vibe of the first 3 episodes
nothing, flawless concept & execution.
Just following the trend of "everything you love will be made worse".
in terms of digital crispness maybe, but otherwise no
Now maybe this is a hot take, but TMNT 2012 is better than 2003.
It's technically not a hot take, since most zoomies like you think the same.
Though it IS wrong, since 3D is fricking ugly.
Every single thing that went 3D became ugly.
>muh hecking zoomierinos excuse
moronhomosexual, I was in high school in the 2012 came out, and watched the 2003 as kid.
>Though it IS wrong,
>My opinions are le facts
No
>since 3D is fricking ugly.
Both subjective, and a case by case basis, that show actually made it work by being really stylized, and being mostly simple shapes, the turtles being blocky, it's the same thing Green Lantern TAS did.
>TMNT 2012
>"stylized"
Nothing you say is true. I will safely ignore your post.
>"I'm moronic, and have no actual argument besides newer bad"
Yeah I know
I accept your concession
>Le uno reverse card
Wow...
>back to your non-argument
This is getting sad anon.
>Brainlet who only argument is "this is new, so it bad" keeps think he's a chad
Genuinely pathetic, even this anon
makes a better argument than you
(You)
Na both 2003 and 20012 are good but rise of tmnt(2018) was a shit series
There are people that watched anything other than the original TMNT? Woeful.
Do you mean a the 87 series? Are you a xoomer, or older millennial?
Watched a bit of 2012 and it seemed alright, but I'm the kinda guy that prefers when the Turtles get a little gritty like the comics.
Mirage, 1990 and 2003 are tops.
Maybe try growing up and stop consuming media solely designed to get children to buy toys.
Trying too hard, anon
based and true, manchildren will seethe
>posts on Cinemaphile
>thinks he's not a manchild
lmao
>MUH SEKRET REJECT CLUB
>Still thinking this in 2023
Shut up, ugly.
>secret
never implied that, Cinemaphile is just reddit after hours
>ugly
oh yes you are
I'm very handsome actually, my grandmother said so.
Babby's first bait
Should add the original Clone Wars vs the 2008 3D show here, too. That shit undid all the goodwill work it took to make Star Wars one of the coolest things back in the early 2000s when fans were divisive about the PT.
That would have the lucas fanboys frothing at the mouth
I still have fond memories from childhood of my parents renting Walking With Beasts and a four episode disc set of Clone Wars from the library and me staying home sick one Friday to watch them. It happened to include the episodes where Anakin duels Ventress and beats her with sheer tard strength alongside the one where Grievous hunts down and kills a group of jedi. It was awesome. It is a shame how badly entertainment and especially children's entertainment has declined.
>Grievous hunts down and kills a group of jedi
That was cool as frick and no one can tell me otherwise.
Everybody agrees with you that it's cool as frick. The main complaints appear to be that in the actual movies he's way more cowardly than how he's portrayed in the cartoon and people are split on which is better
I adore both in their own way, I don’t know why the zoomers start the shit-fling of pitting the two against each-other for the sake of it. Fake nostalgia masquerading as good taste for pieces of media they weren’t alive yet for.
>cartoons redrawn in a slightly different way
NOOOOOOOO MY HECKIN CHILDHOOD
>slightly
Contact Mr. Beast and he'll cure your blindness, zoomie
What's wrong with that dark magician card? Looks like a good redraw.
It looks sanitized, with a lot of the personality of old yugioh removed.
Jack’s S5 was pretty honorable to the original series; the few bumps and jarring ending doesn’t take away from that.
Ben 10 always sucked
>Ben 10 always sucked
Are you a woman?
>goyslop grows sloppier
end times
another to add: trigun reboot which i didn't see but oh my goodness trailer tells all
Alright that's bad. But what about Knives?
You're missing, it's a genuinely good series on its own, beautifully animated and it's more of an alt-history than a reboot, Rurouni Kenshin is a proper reboot
and Bleach is a perfect continuation, literally there's nothing to b***h about other than stuff you already didn't like from the original (for me it will always be weird choice for ichigo's theme)
One of the coolest parts of SJ has always been scenery, it was done by the same person in S5 and still looks good
That dark magician art looks like an improvement to me but the border looks a little weird.
It's for Rush Duel, another Yugioh game.
>improvement
It's literally soulless, zoomie
summer's over
So go back to school, zoomie
Nta, but the oldest the zoomers are in their late 20's, the youngest are like 14
This is not similar at all because jack came back with the original creator actually writing for it and doing something original with it. You're a moron if you think SJ S5 doesn't look good. Gennedy's Primal also looks awesome visually
>muh original creator
Blindly loyal moron
Don't (You) me again
>ignores the rest of my post to make "old good, new bad" shitposts
yawn
Muh romance. I don't give a frick about Jack's emotions, I just want to see cool fights and cool samurai moves. If I wanted to see forced romance bullshit I'd be watching a different show.
Not enough episodes
There should've just been more, Idk if it was CN/AS who restricted him, maybe it was because they were testing the water, and didn't know if audiences would be receptive to adult action cartoons, but it obviously needed more episodes, I think the one thing most people agree on is how rushed the last like 2-3 episodes felt.
Also, maybe this is controversial, but I genuinely don't mind the romance, but think it, like other things in the season, would've benefited from more time.
>the whole appeal is that it's a wandering samurai tale that can mostly be watched in any order
>make the last season sequential
Forced romance that gets invalidated at the very last second so that he can rip off TTGL
Bad writing. Trying too hard to be edgy. Changing who Samurai Jack is. Having the big draw to the show that Samurai Jack kills people and that some characters get killed off. Shitty love interest.
But the biggest thing about it is that you just grew up. Samurai Jack was cool for kids. It was very interesting and novel seeing a cartoon do all sorts of interesting filmmaking techniques that your little moron child brain has never seen. If you rewatch it as an adult it's all just references to other movies so it's not as cool anymore and honestly comes across as lazy as frick recreating all these iconic shots with cheap lazy animation. Even if the sequel lived up to the original, it would have been disappointing because you're not 12 anymore.
>film making techniques
Just the fact that they'd go minutes at a time without any actual words being spoken was out there at the time. Just traveling across scenery, the wind blowing and whatever beast of burden clip clopping it's hooves or breathing. Some rocks tumbling. Not much had the confidence to keep kids attention with simple shit like Jack did.
Nah, the older seasons are still good.
>Changing who Samurai Jack is
eh?
>so it's not as cool anymore and honestly comes across as lazy
Absolutely wrong, but then again i dont feel the need to seem more intelligent than others by posting text walls.
moronic sub-human third world phoneposter
subhuman is one word, subhuman
>Changing who Samurai Jack is
That was kind of the point. After decades of the same endless struggle, watching people suffer and die, he had lost hope and become bitter.
Also, I don’t think Jack was ever opposed to killing when it was necessary. They made most of the enemies he slices up turn out to be robots just to avoid censors, but they were still self aware robots.
That’s what I loved about it. And I still love those episodes today.
Da Samurai didn't actually take up the Samurai code and fight with Jack.
The Big Blue bear thing or whatever didn't show up.
The Guardian got off screened by whatever. I assume Aku, but still. He deserved a battle.
To be fair, how many episodes was it? It is probably a tall order to bring satisfying ends to all these plots as well as any of your own in 12 episodes.
It didn't even try to tie up the loose ends. Half of the episodes were spent on fleshing out a new character.
Funny enough, da samurai does take up the code in the videogame adaptation and fights alongside jack
Art style looks like shit. Only one of two steps away from caltech
>What if Samurai Jack was hekkin mature?
morons. Samurai Jack was best when it was a villain of the week story. The best parts were always one off villains that Jack needed to beat in creative ways while helping the local populace. The romance feels extremely tacked on and everybody wanted Jack to have apprentice, not a lover.
Everything until Jack spares Ashi is absolutely 110% perfect perfect. Then a switch turned on and they didn't know what the frick to do. It was all very haphazard. I don't even remember what happened between the 4th episode and the final episode. The green ghost samurai was completely wasted. I can't even conceive what could have happened after the third episode that made it fall off so hard.
>Everything until Jack spares Ashi is absolutely 110% perfect perfect. Then a switch turned on and they didn't know what the frick to do. It was all very haphazard. I don't even remember what happened between the 4th episode and the final episode
this
The first 3 episodes are just standard action oriented affair. The rest of the show was about people who actually care about Jack beyond random ninja guy and want his life to go somewhere.
You tried
It's just the truth. Shit that doesn't evolve gets stale.
It never got stale for 4 seasons of action that never broke the status quo.
But it wasn't just action. Why do zoomers pretend to have seen this show?
Why are you coping?
>having a functional pair of eyes is coping
Americans really are beyond saving
gurren lagann ripoff
no one even knows what that is
2/10 bait, made me respond
this but unironically
t. first time I've heard of it
how old are you
28
jeez grandpa, there's teenagers with more refined taste than you
because I don't know about some shitty anime?
yes, unironically. imagine sharing the same views about animation as middle aged housewives
>y-you haven't consoomed enough media, how dare you!
I'm not losing sleep over it, I'll tell you that much
speaking of sleep, it's way past your bedtime, grandpa
great, maybe I'll put on some gurren lagan to quicken the process
That's the smartest decision you ever made in your life
What dumb projection
define projection
lol weebs are so fragile
As opposed to western cartoon fans?
yes actually, I never see the spaz out like this
hoo boy, good thing you never been to Cinemaphile then
Cinemaphile is at least 20% weebs. Also, most western cartoon/comic fans already acknowledge the flaws of the industry's current output.
Weebs are guilty of everything they say about western fans if not more, but they get a pass since muh animu website.
How does it feel that Samurai Jack has a quarter of the budget Gurren Lagann did and it looks so much better?
>it looks so much better?
try being a bit more subjective
It does. Samurai Jack is a legitimate achievement in the art of animation while Gurren Lagann is just known for it's sakuga. Japan doesn't know how to further push the boundaries of art in anime unless it's Yuasa projects and others.
>Gurren Lagann is just known for it's sakuga.
dumb speedwatcher. i bet gurren lagann is the only mecha you have ever watched
>speedwatcher
I'm right though. I like Gurren Lagann and it has it's emotional moments but the real draw is how insanely well animated the show is.
>i bet gurren lagann is the only mecha you have ever watched
What does this have to do with anything, also not true. I've seen Eva, Bokura no, Franxx (this was garbage), Gridman (also boring), and some Gundam shows.
Gurren Lagann explicitly references a shit ton of earlier mecha anime, especially Getter Robo and Mazinger Z. That's it's real achievement, not muh sakuga.
TTGL is not as good as you're trying to make it out to be.
No one cares about tranime
I genuinely wonder what the frick he was thinking trying to rip something off that a large chunk of his audience would undoubtedly be familiar with.
>Trying too hard, anon
First several episodes are kino, it's not too bad after that, but Genndy can't stick the landing to save his life (see: Primal).
Needed more episodes which would solve the issue that you never get to see Jack get into creative and unique adventures. I love that episode of the original where Jack is turned into a chicken and forced to wienerfight. I wanted more episodes like that but each one had to move the plot along somehow.
you must go back to the past
cope
Why?
The series was never created as a story that would end. No ending would have been satisfactory unless there was a massive multiple season buildup to it, because that's not how the original show was written, basically the newer singular narrative focused stuff would have to outnumber the original baddie of the week stuff to have felt satisfying. It came from a time when serials were meant to go on forever until they were cancelled.
Realistically it was as good an ending as we could have hoped for.
Completely agree. That being said, I liked the bittersweet ending.
It's not the kind of choice that will win the popularity contest but it makes it more authentic in a way.
The fact that Jack even destroyed Aku and lived to tell the tale is a worthy victory.
Hugely disagree.
>Keep first 3/4 episodes the same.
>Have Jack run in the Scotsman who has gathered an army of all of Jack's old friends
>They're going to launch a final offensive to take down Aku
>Ashi tells them why their plan sucks and how to fix it
>Jack has to find some guardian of some variety and do a challenge to get a key
>Jack and Ashi go in a different route while the Scotsman attacks the front
>Scotsman wins
>Jack and Ashi have a final fight with Aku
>Aku loses and everyone celebrates
>Jack, now recognising that it's time, decides to go back to the guardian who has a time portal
>Tearful goodbye to all the friends he made along the way
>goes back in time alone after beating the guardian, indicating that he's grown up
>fights and kills Aku in the past
>smiles at the sky knowing that his friends are alright in an unrealised future
But if he killed Aku in the past, the outcome for his friends would remain the same.
The only scenario where they're left intact is if he stays in the future.
But that wouldn't be an optimal ending imo. The entire theme is "gotta get back"
It would be ambiguous as to whether or not his friends still existed.
That's the mistake of bringing Ashi back to the past and having her fade into nothingness; it confirms that everything stops existing in a very dumb way
Ashi is Aku's daughter though, so it's different. It's not like the Scotsman's dad died for him to stop existing.
It was always shit
i liked the original ending better of Jack staying in the future and being bad ass warlord
His going back in time to resolve everything makes the entire show feel kind of redundant
Original ending made sense. Most of the chances Jack had to going back to the past, He decided to stay and help the people of the future.
Definitely. When you consider that the entire theme of Samurai Jack and the fifth season in particular is letting go of the past and moving forwards no matter what this is the only ending that makes sense. Not only could they have the Jack + Ashi happy ending but it would tie together all the people in the future that Jack helped coming back to help him against Aku
There was a game released after the show and that's the current canon ending, except he did go in the past. Presumably, all his future friends survived anyway, since only Ashi was directly tied to Aku as a father.
But this happy ending honestly feels cheap to me.
Nothing really. The first three episodes were easily the best part but the rest was still fine and it was nice to get a real conclusion.
I would still like a special "What if?" episode where Jack fights the Guardian again though.
Genndy is an overrated hack and all of his cartoons are Macromedia Flash Newgrounds tier.
trying to do a final season
>came to watch the samurai jack show
>watched the samurai jack and ashi show instead
gennedy can't write endings for shit
terrible love interest that takes up half the screentime despite no one caring about her
poorly written romance
cliched ending that has been done 1000 times
>despite no one caring about her
She was cute and jack deserved a piece. Also, cucking your mortal enemy with his daughter is a based move.
>spends years lamenting the baby finale
>get an actual finale, cry likes babies
FOOOOLISH ANONYMOUS NECK BEARD
>just eat the slop buddy! writing? plot? what's that? just fricking eat it!
t. Babby episode hater
NTA but most of the complaints here essentially amount to "it wasn't sloppy enough".
It seems most people just wanted more katana fights with robots and that's it.
The modern pretentious zoomie, consumer of "le 2deep4u dark emotional story"
I'm not a zoomer and just because pretentious shit exists doesn't mean everything has to be dumbed down as much as possible.
>dumbed down
Staying true to what the series has always been about, giving the fans the very thing that got them into the show in the first place... is "dumbing down"?
Again: You are pretentious.
That's not what pretentious means. And the show did stay true to what it has always been about, given that the final season was made by the original creator. Maybe you just didn't notice the so called pretentiousness in past episodes because you were too focused on the flashing images.
>That's not what pretentious means
"attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed"
You zoomies love consuming slop that tries to be "deep", and then pretending it's better than it actually is and "the goat".
That's textbook pretentious, moron.
>And the show did stay true to what it has always been about
No, it hasn't. The entire love plot is not what the show is about. "Muh mental health" is not what the show is about.
>final season was made by the original creator
So was The Matrix 4.
What a moron.
Pretentiousness is dishonest though, as per your own definition. This show is earnest, you just hated the fact that it was 99% action slop, or you didn't realize that wasn't the case when you watched it as a kid.
>So was The Matrix 4.
The Matrix 4 consciously and purposefully shits on the Matrix. There was no such thing here.
it wasn't* 99% action slop
The nature of the airing on CN didn't allow for an episodic consecutive nature like AS did. Genndy has talked about this.
But there were still some recurring characters, who got referenced in S5.
>you just hated the fact that it wasn't 99% action slop
What are you doing in this thread if you hate the real Samurai Jack and call it slop?
Do you zoomies literally just derive pleasure from seeing everything made worse?
>The Matrix 4 consciously and purposefully shits on the Matrix. There was no such thing here.
Fine. Kingdom of the crystal skull was still made by Spielberg. Happy?
Point still stands that the original creators can still shit the bed and frick up their own creations, zoomie, just like Tartakovsky did.
>What are you doing in this thread if you hate the real Samurai Jack and call it slop?
I corrected myself.
>Point still stands that the original creators can still shit the bed and frick up their own creations, zoomie, just like Tartakovsky did.
He didn't, you just grew up. Genndy hasn't changed much as a person if at all and he gave a good ending to people who actually cared about Jack beyond just muh sword.
>you just grew up
You schizos can't make up your mind; did we grow up, or are we manchildren?
>Genndy hasn't changed much as a person
Good for him? This is about how shitty of a show creator he is now, not about his personality.
>people who actually cared about Jack beyond just muh sword.
Again: Pretentious.
It's entertainment. Stop trying to make it """deep""" and """meaningful""".
You're like those actors who go on award shows preaching about how their "art" "changes the world".
Frick off.
How the frick is a cartoon made by cartoon network studios pretentious?
Just stick to Bayformers you moron
>How the frick is a cartoon made by cartoon network studios pretentious?
Adult Swim, moron.
>Jack wasn't likeable nor relatable before season 5
What a moron
>writing a character that's relatable and likeable, a basic staple of writing, is pretentious
you're the only pretentious one lmao
liking exclusively shallow media doesn't make you have good taste either, just saiyan
>wanting entertainment to be entertaining doesn't make you big brain pretentious like me
>entertainment can only ever be lowest common denominator spectacles and CGI shit flying around
Now Samurai Jack is CGI
Zoomies should be beheaded
They're catering to people like you.
What are babbling about now, schizo
Literally this whole thread is people crying about how there isn't enough action and spectacle in S5. Zoomies my ass. I grew up with this show and know it better than you do.
I'd like to hear what past episodes had a character with as much focus as Ashi.
Cool composed samurai with esoteric combat skills is what made it great to begin with.
Sure, but that's just one component. There was a human element to Jack that was portrayed better than a lot of other cartoons. If the entire show was just a compilation of fight choreography its appeal wouldn't be as lasting.
Seasons 1 - 5 occurred before the true ending that is King Jack
King Jack is an ok fanfic but this was more earnest.
it unironically needed more episodes to flesh out the seasons final plot more
jack being able to kill people unironically ruined the action scenes because it meant instead of being really creative to make something interesting in spite of it they can just do stock anime samurai shit you've seen dozens of times by now
It was kino
Is Unicorn Warriors any good? I generally enjoy Tartakovsky's shows despite their flaws but I haven't heard much about this one.
People are praising it, but I don't.
Nothing Genndy made after the original Samurai Jack is good.
Haven't watched it yet, I'm still making my way through season 2 of Primal, and definitely don't agree
, I've the ending of Primal is also kinda bad/disappointing, so maybe the thing about Genndy not being good at endings is true, but there's plenty in Primal that is good, and hell even the first Hotel Transylvania is f i n e.
The second season of Primal was good overall but felt disjointed in general. The final episode of season 1 seemed to imply something completely different with Meera and the Scorpion. For example the Scorpion was portrayed by Meera to have been some kind of warlord as opposed to an actual god and I assumed he was going to function like a Near Eastern Conanesque despot. Which is the role the Egyptian queen ended up filling, she turned out to be a pretty good antagonist so that worked out alright. I assume they changed a lot between Season 1 and 2 which is why some of it comes off as disjointed as it does. Building up the confrontation between the fire-viking and Fang/Spear for the entire season then fumbling the landing like that was unacceptable though and even with Genndy's track record on endings I'm confused as to how he could make it that lame. Not to mention also wasteing time with a flashback to Meera's enslavement as though that mattered at all in an already rushed and bloated finale. What we really didn't need in Primal was the grotesque to the point of comedy scene where Meera impregnates herself with Spear's charred half-dead body a few minutes before he expires. Was it so hard to just make them bang before he fought the fire-viking?
>spoiler
I still have no fricking idea how anyone thought that scene was good. Should have just made them do it before the confrontation.
I didn't see that coming but I liked it
I watched all of the show a few months back. Older episodic format was absolutely perfect. You'd have garbage episodes where le wacky stuff keeps happening, and they would always be written by the same two shit writers but i don't remember who now. But overall it really was great, especially the episodes that built on the lore a bit and tried to flesh out Jack's character more. Come season five there really wasn't that much material. The whole season would be like one episode in the earlier format and nothing would be lost. Antagonists were boring as well. Furthermore I feel like the show was building towards Jack accepting the world as is and trying to better its current state anyway. Because otherwise all the good he has done in this world and all the friends he has made are erased. So him choosing to go back in time anyway in the end felt out of place for me and this attempt to write a rushed romance plot to somehow give the ending more nuance by making it bitter-sweet is just not it.
Obviously an impossible task but Aku’s replacement kind of ruins it for me on his own. Aku was the best part.
Yeah, it was one thing to replace a guy in a currently airing series. Especially when his performance as Iroh wasn't nearly as over the top and almost operatic as Aku.
He comes close at times but there really is nothing you can do. I feel like I can accept it as the best solution to an impossible situation
The ending was rushed as frick and really shit.
Isn't Samurai Jack supposed to be a kids' show?
it was funny though
>everything is.. le edgy
I don't know how Reddit managed to spread this buzzword as valid criticism
Disappointing ending. First 4 seasons are the greatest television you’ll find though
Samurai jack shouldn't have made it back....back to the past WATCHAAAA.
Him been stuck to the past is what made the future work.
by going back he ruined everything
The future was ruled by Aku and just about everyone was miserable
Life is miserable that why it works.
I liked it but it wasnt how I imagined it ending.
The show was always about him trying to get back to the past, but if he beats Aku in the past it probably means all the people he saved in the future will never even exist. On the other hand I guess that means they never suffer in the first place but idk.
Could have ended in two ways
>he finally becomes the man he was supposed to be, defeats the portal guardian and goes back in time
>he teams up with many of the people he saved and beats Aku with their help, then stays in the future and helps rebuild the world
What we got was really neither of those and it needed more episodes.
Love interest was fine, it just sucks that she disappears.
>he finally becomes the man he was supposed to be, defeats the portal guardian and goes back in time
>he teams up with many of the people he saved and beats Aku with their help, then stays in the future and helps rebuild the world
It should have been a combination of both of these. He leads the resistance against Aku, becomes king conan, rebuilds the future and then returns to his own time.
Or Jack just never finds a way home and Aku and Jack just keep fighting until the sun burns out.
>rebuilds the future and then returns to his own time
That would be redundant because by returning he would destroy the future timeline.
Either way I just wanted more fanservice. All we got was the scotsman who was too old to do anything cool.
>Carbon copies gurren lagann ending
Disregarded plotlines that were setup well in advanced in both the show and the comic in favor of a tacked on ending. Gennady and his team probably never intended the portal guardian or the gems of cronos to show up again because they wrote the series with the mindset that every episode should be self contained like Dexter's lab and the series suffers as a result.
Gendy was, is, and always will be a total fricking hack
shut your prostitute mouth
>simpsons
won't even open to read
Why the frick would you give that moron a (You).
>was
no
>is
yes
Bogged
?si=plLiCXpx6tadlqIb
The introduction of guns, I think the concept of samurai jack finally killing someone added depth but the weird alter jack stylization kind of took away from it.
They could've made it longer too.
He had killed that Beowulf dude, releasing him from his prison. Or maybe technically he just killed the rock form and thus not a real human.
>introduction
His best friend has a gun for a leg.
I meant to say for Jack to be using guns.
it went to shit the second Ashi became a main character
>dude the sword just pops back up trough the power of love
frick that shit
>Design pointless irrelevant background character that intentionally looks like a penis
>Have character state "he looks like a penis"
>"Wow we said "penis" bet you didnt think we'd actually say that look how edgy and mature we are."
it was funny tho
It was dishonest.
all cinema is inherently dishonest
it was honest actually
Déjà vu
I've just been in this place before
No the ending of season 5 and the show are literally a rip off of Gurren Lagann, but it's probably the worst part of Gurren Lagann's ending so I don't even know why they wanted to copy it