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>Lower than mario
>mariocel with a superiority complex
lol. lmao even.
Complex? I find Mario's superiority to be quite simple.
>How can we rescue Disney?
We can't. And you shouldn't want to
Let it burn.
You don't.
>How can we rescue Disney?
Nothing is eternal, we all knew that they would fall one day.
If Disney wants to focus on creating media monopolies, forerunning the diversity quota mindset, and demonize its main audience (white peepow) I can only hope it dies. Not that any of this matters, Disney has its hand in the federal reserve's pocket and is in the propaganda industry, not the entertainment industry.
take your meds schizo
/b/ is better than Cinemaphile. That's it, I said it.
Up your dosage, schizo
This ain't saving your career
They literally made a movie that vilifies merit, shows it all
frick off moron, you are a literal no one
post your w2 so we can see how much of a someone you are
It's not, though. The Disney c-suite is just MBA boomers like everywhere else, they don't want to run a raimbow cult company. The issue is that their employee stable has steadly drifted to the left of Che Guevara, and the boomers didn't notice due to TDS driving everyone a bit nuts, plus the money hose from the MCU making it feel like they'd won everything forever.
SV tech companies had the same problem a few years back. Remember the Google walkouts? Go see how that's going now, if you haven't recently. The Mouse wants his God Damned money, if the activist employees can't provide it then they'll be (slowly, steadily, and without provoking lawsuits or bad PR) purged.
>Remember the Google walkouts? Go see how that's going now, if you haven't recently.
How is it going now?
The boomers can still fire all those woke shitters.
The boomers are true believers of wokeshit. They think it makes them relevant with the kidsters and also like the esg money
I don't want to rescue Disney. I hope Disney burns.
Fire everyone of those fricking useless nepotistic commies and hire experienced animators with talent and vision
But honestly this
>What went wrong?
Marxism.
>How can we rescue Disney?
Total troony death.
Didn't elemental crawl out of bombness?
you expect Ben the Moron to care
It took a while and it left most people's field of view by then, most people just remember it's domestic failure.
I managed to make more money than expected, but it was far from a finical success. It made its money back.
I imagine that the Korean dub took out a lot of the cringe
Of the movies listed, it was the only one where the heavy handed woke identity politics didn't completely overshadow the good elements of the storytelling.
The issue is not "cultural Marxism" you absolute dork, these movies just have shitty soulless writing.
The issue is cultural marxism. You're either too dumb/ignorant to understand what this means, or a marxist trying to gaslight.
One causes another
how tf is a multibillion dollar company marxist
the part where it got taken over by marxists to produce marxist propaganda, which is apparently an even higher priority than turning a profit
They still turn profit by implementing marxist propaganda in to their work, thanks to Blackrock and their ESG investment fund. As Hannah Montana would say, it's the best of both worlds for them. Disney is financially incentivized to place woke shit in their media, to get more of that sweet ESG money. ESG is the reason Kathleen Kennedy and Jennifer Lee still have their jobs for example.
it is cultural marxism wich means greedy capitalism and moron pandering.
Campus feminists touting communism are wives of the CEOs and conveniently never acknowledge their own hypocrisy.
Ben Garrison comics aren't for people capable of critical thinking. Or thinking at all, hence why everything is labeled.
sneed
The Little Mermaid was the 6th-top-grossing movie of 2023, making $570 million. Elemental's opening weekend was a catastrophe, but the movie famously crawled its way back into the black, making $495 million.
Little mermaid cost $297 million to produce and Elemental cost $200 million, so those didn’t make very big profits, and shit like Indiana Jones, Haunted Mansion and now likely The Marvels lost so much money they likely wiped those small profits away
John Carter and MNM lost more. As long as the parks exists and they dont do another Euro-tier frickup in that area, Disney's never going to truly lose revenue.
Anon, the parks have been bleeding money for a while now
*Universal
Aren't the parks now desperately trying to chase off Disney adults since families genuinely make them way more via souvenirs?
>Aren't the parks now desperately trying to chase off Disney adults
How?
Constant price raises most notably. Making those week long passes impossible for anyone who isn't an upperclass family
They had this moronic idea of milking higher paying tourists; they spend a lot of money when they do go but they just don't go often enough to offset the loss of visiters who would come more often spending less each time. They also raised the prices while making service worse so it wasn't even like they were turning Disneyland into a luxury destination, so even the big spenders weren't happy.
Hasn't it already been proven fact that the most profitable audience is the average middle class family? It's not as much money per person, but there is a LOT of them. I don't know how Disney of all people messed that up. I'm still shocked by the $6000 a weekend Star Wars hotel.
Yes, but the problem is capacity issues at peak times reducing park experience, particularly in Anaheim. And also the past decade has not been kind to the middle class..
That Star Wars result thing is a Euro tier frickup anon. Not enough to kill them, but it's already hurting their ability to invest.
Oversimplification. They're chasing cash revenue desperately. They're dealing with crowds of poor ____ people getting into world star shit at the parks.
The likely approach is unsustainable price hikes to gentrify and keep the trash out.
They'd need closer to 40. Or a split between media and physical.
Maybe they DID buy reviews and it's really that much worse.
John Carter was fricking sabotaged AND I WILL NEVER NOT BE MAD
>Little mermaid cost $297 million to produce and Elemental cost $200 million, so those didn’t make very big profits
Neither of them made a profit. 2.5x rule.
Marxism is when gay brown people in movies.
We should call it what it actually is, which is capitalist perversion. The elite loves to use alienation techniques like hyper-sexuality and undercutting national labor with foreigners and outsourcing. If you're a pro-capitalist person or a "progressive" you're the same type of idiot, and nothing more than a replaceable drone for the degenerate bourgeoisie that would spit in your face and dance on your grave any day. It's really that simple.
You don't have to really do anything. As long as this shit is profitable, they'll keep doing it. Ratings are a mere annoyance to them. It sounds like they're having some financial trouble though, so I imagine there's going to be some cuts in the near future.
Calling disney marxist is probably the dumbest thing I've heard today
Disney’s most iconic movies were all based on fairytales. Unfortunately there are no more iconic fairytales Disney can base a movie on
They attempted to do one based on Jack and the Beanstalk, but unfortunately it got canned.
Skydance Animation are making it now. The director of that left Disney, joined skydance and now Skydance are working on an "untitled jack and the beanstalk" movie.
All under the leadership of Lasseter. Skydance is the true inheritor of Disney's legacy after the woke mob crashed actual Disney.
>Lassetergay finally showed up
you're a fricking moron, the cracks were already crumbling under him before he got the boot
Cry harder woketard. Disney and Pixar both collapsed in spectacular fashion after they drove out Lasseter for hugging people too long.
You mean thw studio behind the leprecaun dragon movie no one saw?
Threadly reminder.
Are these people famous?
Aaron Diaz is Dresdan Kodak and trooned out in to a literal chick with a dick named Senna Diaz now.
Someone Googled giantesses and that was the end of this idea.
I don't believe this, they fricking made Zootopia and Furries are much more well known and active in society, when was the last you heard anything IRL related to giantess stuff?
This was the guy that said will Eisner was just some old white guy right?
Is the artist moronic? It's the woman's fault for taking "the name is unimaginative" as an attack on the film. He just didn't want to be misunderstood as someone criticizing the film, since it didn't even exist at that point.
You think those guys will be brave enough to go with the giantess e-girl or just stick with generic jack and beanstalk story 12037?
If the e-girl was a teen or adult princess, it could be marketed as a romance. Maybe the giantess befriends Jack, wants to see the world below, and somehow gets magically turned to our normal size
If the giantess is a e-girl, go for a big brother little sister vibe
If the giantess is an adult princess, it could be a sibling bonding/flirtatious thing
Have them defeat the main evil giant with the power of gravity and friendship.
I hope they go the buff, muscle mommy giantess but still feminine like luisa from encanto
>Make your empire adapting works of public domain
>Frick up with USA Government and make very little to end up in the public domain because of greed.
>Find out your original stuff is terrible and you can't get much out of public domain.
they brought this on themselves.
>the golden goose
>rumpelstiltskin
>goldilocks
>red riding hood
>jack and the giant beanstalk
>12 dancing princesses
>swan lake
on that last note, they could always start adapting ballets and shakespeare plays
>they could always start adapting ballets and shakespeare plays
those are extremely problematic in current year. Do you really want to see woke bastardizations of the taming of the shrew or merchant of venice? Even Romeo and Juliet with it's focus on a heterosexual romance is extremely problematic by current Disney executive standards.
I think the MULTIPLE SUICIDE is a bigger problem chief.
Globohomosexual Disney probably likes suicide, the WEF wants medical euthanasia to be more widespread and encouraged.
The Bard wrote several plays, some more problematic than others. They do not need to adapt Taming of the Shrew or Merchant of Venice. Midsummer Night's Dream would probably be a good choice. When it comes to adapting Shakespeare you run up against one of the longest running complaints against Disney: they are overly sentimental, saccharine and oriented towards extremely young children. Parents liked Disney because it was Ultra Safe, Ultra Sanitized and that can make adaptations of Shakespeare difficult because he wrote for general audiences, not for 4 year olds and their Mormon parents.
Just look at
though, it's definitely possible. If Disney thinks the well of fairy tales has run out (it hasn't) then Shakespeare plays are a good next step. I think that is what I would do and I'd probably do more animal casts, either regular animals that can talk (like Lion King) or more anthropomorphized creatures (like Robin Hood and Zootopia) and everyone would speak in British or Transatlantic Accents so the public doesn't start on about race or other modern culture war shit.
>Midsummer Night's Dream would probably be a good choice
Too much heterosexuality. The Disney version would make everyone pansexual.
>not for 4 year olds and their Mormon parents.
Mormons tend to hate Disney and have been calling it out as satanic and problematic long before it became mainstream.
>then Shakespeare plays are a good next step
wokes would also complain about the focus on stories of a patriarchal white man. They should start adapting African folk tales like Anansi, and bring back Brer Rabbit.
wait wait Anansi would be really cool though
I wonder why they don't adapt more Asian tales or why they haven't made an animated Bollywood musical yet.
Anansi is a bit overplayed like sun wukong, but there other myths lie sango
>Anansi is a bit overplayed
Not in the west, I can't think of a single major western film or show that features him. Disney has an opportunity to make an iconic Anansi for the west.
I get what you mean but I can't remember the last time there was a big budget Anansi film.
The problem with Raya is that it was a bad film that tried to stuff a season's worth of content into two hours that culminated with an offensively dangerous message for children. I think it could have worked as an 'Avatar' style miniseries, provided it had better characters I think people would have accepted it's cultural mish mash world.
I didn't even put together that Anansi could be a new spider-person with spider powers on top of all his other trickster god skills. That sounds so cool.
>I wonder why they don't adapt more Asian tales or why they haven't made an animated Bollywood musical yet.
I hope they never try. Asia and India are already doing it better. They tried to go SEA with Raya and everyone hated it. Atleast Lindsay Ellis got cancelled for comparing it to Avatar the Last Airbender, that was funny.
Anansi would be based and audiences love spider people. North American natives and MesoAmerica have some cool folktales they can adapt too. Disney obviously does not care about actual diverse storytelling. All the people in charge of their creative are old gen X and boomer white women
>Atleast Lindsay Ellis got cancelled for comparing it to Avatar the Last Airbender, that was funny.
Didn't Avatargays call it a second rate rip-off?
Yes. But Lindsay Ellis tweeted about it and her woke twitter followers got her cancelled by calling her racist for saying Raya was like Last Airbender just because both contained Asians. It was very strange but the wokes completely turned on Lindsay for her harmless tweet.
I would love to see an adaptation of Momotaro. I feel like it would be a perfect fit for Disney.
-Cute animal sidekicks (dog, monkey, pheasant)
-A villain (either an Oni king, or someone else leading the onis)
-It would be taking liberties, but maybe even include a princess or female love interest (maybe merge with Tale of the Bamboo Cutter and make the love interest Kaguya-hime)
Then that's cultural appropriation.
Maybe Disney should look at American's own culture and create stories based on it.
If they tried that, you know what they'd do? Ignore all the tall tales, fearsome critters, superheroes, all the cool stuff, and just make it about the talking point of the week.
They should make a gnomio and Juliet remake I think
Hamlet With Lions was pretty successful, by all means they should go for plays
I don't see how Lion King is Hamlet even though everyone says it is.
Uncle and nephew fighting for the throne
Both also end up constantly trying to avoid or run away from their problems, the dad dies under suspicious circumstances and appears to his son as a spirit
>Hamlet With Lions was pretty successful, by all means they should go for plays
ooh, how about "Cordelia"?
Literally has a gay couple raising an adopted child together and one of them crossdressing.
No, it doesn't. It was made in a time where men could be friends without eating each others ass.
Red Riding Hood got folded into a Three Pigs sequel during the Silly Symphony days and they already did Jack and the Beanstalk with Mickey, which was why Gigantic was so divergent from the source material.
>shakespeare plays
But they already did two
The Nutcracker would be cool
There's already a kino Nutcraker 2d animated movie, and a Barbie CGI movie, and a RankinBass type stop motion 70s Japanese movie Nutcracker Fantasy if you're feeling real spicy.
I just realized my entire reference point for "The Nutcracker" is punching each other in the dick when it was assigned in class. I didn't read it, of course.
Kinda curious what it's actually about now. Gonna look it up.
The original book is free on Wikisource
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nutcracker_and_Mouse-King
Aw hey nice thanks.
And of course, there's already some Disney CGI special, too.
Didnt Disney do a live-action Nutcracker movie that bombed horribly a few years ago?
I think that was a different story?
I love this movie Anon, thanks for being a Boss with great taste.
What about the holocaust?
It's their own damn fault for perverting copyright laws just so Mickey Mouse didn't enter the Public Domain. Who would have thought 20 years of DMCA corruption & suing people who made fanart of their iconic characters would end up blowing up in their faces? Seeing them creatively bankrupt brings me joy if anything.
With great wokeness comes great brokeness. It's time to put down the Mouse & free Mickey so he can enter the Public Domain
>woke
moron
>Unfortunately there are no more iconic fairytales Disney can base a movie on
Not even true in the slightest. Try reading the Fairytale collections by Andrew Lang.
>can't name a single one
Do you have any idea how many fairytales are in those books? But fine, here are some of my favorites.
>East of The Sun and West of the Moon
>The Death of Koschei the Deathless
>The Crystal Coffin
>The Golden Bird
>The Dragon of the North
>The Nixy
>King Lindworm
>A Tale of The Tontlawald
>The History of Dwarf Longnose
>Virgilius the Sorcerer
>The Knights of the Fish
there are no more iconic fairytales Disney can base a movie on
>Oh yeah? What about The Queen's Glowing Mulch!?
None of Disney's classic fairytales became 'iconic' until they decided to do movie adaptations of them. Like for example, did you know that the original rendition of the tale 'Snow White' was called 'Snow White and Rose Red' and featured a pair of sisters? Probably not because people like you don't read and absorb everything via movies. You've probably never read The Brothers Grimm or Hans Christian Andersen either and don't know that there are a lot more of those stories for Disney to adapt as well.
Snow White and Ross Red is a different story from Snow White. The “Snow White” of both stories isn’t necessarily the same character, it’s just that she too has fair skin. It’s like insisting that Captain Marvel(Shazam) and Captain Marvel(Carol Danvers) are the same character because they’re “captain Marvel.” Although I have met people who insisted Ghostbusters (1984) was absolutely a reboot of the the old live action show, so oh well.
>everyone is stupid but me
>original rendition
Hey moron. The Brothers Grimm went around the countryside documenting every folk tale they could get their hands on and compiled every version of the story into various renditions. If you actually read the Brothers Grimm compendiums, you'd see there are several versions of Snow White and Rose Red, which feature either both or one of the sisters. There is no "original" story since they were folk tales poor, illiterate peasants told to each other for entertainment and everyone had their own version.
They definately curated them a bit to help them line up with Northern German sensibilities.
At least one brother was big into German Unification, defined as "Prussia takes over everything".
I don't know much about how they edited the stories. I wonder what sort of things they removed or added in.
It's impossible to tell.
However "The israelite in the Thorns" seems to be based on an Italian story where the israelite is replaced by a bishop.
Italians have no trouble whatsoever thumbing their nose at authority, Prussians not so much
>"The israelite in the Thorns" seems to be based on an Italian story
That is a very Italian title. Lmao.
In the Italian version it was a Priest.
Germany had a lot more israelites than Italy.
Imagine if they did a faithful adaption of Red Riding Hood. The butthurt would be glorious.
Is this even an adaptation? Santa Claus appears in the first 30 seconds.
Wow this is the dumbest thing I’ve seen someone say today.
Problem is, literally no one knows of these fairy tales unless you read a compilation of fairy tales growing up. Fairy tales, especially ones starring princesses, are the most well know. These fairy tales are not even referenced in Shrek.
You understand the original Princess fairytales are really only made relevant because of the movie adaptations, right? I hadn't even heard of the name "Grimm" until I was in middle school
Maybe, but fairy tales like Rapunzel, the Prince and the Pauper, Princess and the Pea and Rumplestiltskin were also well known when I was a kid and that was way before Disney made any adaptations. Maybe I knew about them in books I read when I was a kid? Was it through other TV shows or cartoons that referenced them? I have no idea, but it seemed like those fairy tales were common knowledge.
children's picture books depicted fairy tales way before Didney did it. even did the Grimm versions barring graphic depictions of gore and cannibalism. too bad those picture books are all in a landfill now.
Prince and the Pauper was a Mark Twain book, not a fairytale.
Strange how... no new completely original fairy tales are being invented anymore.
Sure they are. The Little Engine that could is a modern folk tale
They died with the printing press.
They could always try something lesser-known.
>Vasilisa the Beautiful
>The Bremen Town Musicians
>Dick Whittington and His Cat
>The Enchanted Stag
>The Light Princess
>Valentine and Orson
>The White Cat
Of course they'd never. I assume they either only care about the ones people know already, or they seriously don't know there are other fairy tales besides the ones they remember.
On the point of name recognition, I can't help but notice how that only seems to apply to fairy tales, and not to books (The Fox and the Hound), comics (Big Hero 6), or original ideas (Zootopia). It's fine for audiences to not know those going in, but when it's a fairy tale specifically, then suddenly lack of name recognition is an issue.
They haven't done Red Riding Hood yet.
Disney did a Silly Symphony short called “The Big Bad Wolf” which featured Little Red Riding Hood. Don’t know if that counts
Disney was planning to do an adaptation of “The Emperor’s Nightingale” in an Indian setting, but it was shelved.
The idea that Disney should just be fairy tales is actually extremely backwards and it fundamentally opposes the company's original vision. If you look at their original short animation, you can already see that it approaches a variety of different styles and presentations. That alone should be enough to refute this idea, but just for the sake of argument, let's go further and look at just their animated feature-length films. Snow White was their first film, and most successful film. It is a fairy tale movie. That is perfectly fine. Their next 4 movies (ie, the rest of the golden age) were not. Pinocchio and Bambi were loosely based on coming of age novels. Dumbo is an original coming of age story. Fantasia is its own beast, that is informed by musical tradition. The only reason why they made another princess movie, in 1950, was because Disney was in financial troubles (from WW2, staff leaving, etc). And the idea of Cinderella was out of desperation to create something that harked back to Snow White, which was still their most-famous film (and it worked). Even with that being said, the majority of the silver and dark age movies were not princess films, like at all. Most of the princess films are from the renaissance .
Yeah, we need Adventureland, Frontierland and Tomorrowland movies.
Tomorrow land movie exists and was a boring global warming doomfest parable
Meet the Robinsons was the better Tomorrowland movie.
I think part of it is just borne of the idea, reasonably justified at this point, that Disney is so full of rot and bad habits at this point that before it can try anything new it has to relearn the basics and build a foundation again.
>We had a lot of problems. We were fighting to break away from what we had done in the past. Sleeping Beauty was tough, because it had many of the elements we had already used in Snow White and Cinderella. You've got to give the creators new things to work with so they'll be able to keep their enthusiasm up. You're in trouble if they start saying, "Haven't we done this before?" We had to find out what we had and whether it would please the public. I'm never sure myself what they're going to buy.
>—Walt Disney on the difficulties of adapting Sleeping Beauty as an animated feature[36]
Hot fact: Sleeping Beauty was conceived and intended to be the 3rd and final princess film... In the 1950's. Although, I'm personally not a big fan of 2 and 3 to begin with.
Its fine and dandy to try something new but they replaced the Snow White techniques with nothing but making the backgrounds slighty stylized.
You could've told me this was a Wish interview and I would've believed it. It really does seem like Disney's struggling with the exact same issues that doomed Sleeping Beauty, except Wish has even less going for it.
>struggling with the exact same issues that doomed Sleeping Beauty,
Wasn't it because the actress got sick?
Red riding hood, remake it with a male red, and a female wolf a la Life and Death.
Disney's never fully relied on fairy tales. Look at Jungle Book, Bambi, Lady and the Tramp, Dalmatians. None of them are fairy tales from Europe and yet they are super successful. Even so the problem is the shitty modern American israeli culture we have right now ensures that Disney as a company can't make anything decent. Remember they are remaking live action Bambi for a MODERN AUDIENCE you know the same thing that keeps failing. Does not matter if Disney gained the license to adapt their own take on say Harry Potter, you know Disney will frick it up because the culture we have right now it poison incarnate. They can't do anything right except spam their agendas.
>culture we have right now it poison incarnate
You have that backwards. They're trying to take poison and pass it off as culture. We have no culture right now. Culture is not determined top down by media. It is the emergent creative activity of the entire civilizations. Right now there is no unity of direction, only schism. Thus, there is no culture.
There are quite a lot and not just the euro ones
Why not try chinese or actual african ones, or slavic stuff thats the most fricked up
That's completely wrong. The only fairytales they even touched are the Franco-Saxon ones. Only in Europe alone, there are Spanish, Italian, Greek, Slavic (Western, Eastern and Southern), Baltic, Finno-Ugrean, Scandinavian and Celtic + a bunch of smaller cultures with no countries of their own. And then there are hundreds of other cultures outside of that across the world.
If Disney actually went with a Andalusian fairy-tale instead of vaguely setting it there in Wish, they could have been both actually diverse and interesting.
>Franco-Saxon
I am unfamiliar with this term.
I'm assuming that means the area around France, UK and Germany
>Wish is a flop
you don't know that moron
>rescue Disney
let them fail.
they have enough money to learn from their mistake
>What went wrong?
Terrible priorities and a belief that the public will eat up anything just because it has the Disney name attached.
>How can we rescue Disney?
If they can't re-shift their priorities in time now that the public's good will with them is completely gone they deserve to die.
>Mouse thread barely begins
>rightarded incels already ruined it
stop asking Cinemaphile what they would do, they're all morons
Especially Cinemaphile anons
>Read Rightarded incels as "people who are correct" and ruined it as "called a shitty movie I'm here to shill for shitty."
What is up with this cope? Disney is self admittedly woke... Woke culture openly demonizes white people and more specifically men
Terrible plot.
How do you make a movie about magic wishes and make it so convoluted?
>How do you make a movie about magic wishes and make it so convoluted?
The moment you decide that your story should be taken seriously, they could have made a silly and memorable movie, but no, we have to learn a lesson in dubious morals.
They forgot that their first films didn't even have a message or lesson to learn.
>dubious morals.
The morals in Wish are absolutely not dubious. Its less deep in its lesson than Encanto
>believing any corp is legit """woke"""
>le no true scotsman
frick off, leftism IS facetious and about money, it has never been any other way
If you think Disney or any corporation gives a shit about anything but their bottom line you are moronic.
If you think any leftist in a poisition of power gave a shit about anything but their bottom line you are moronic
It was fairly high ranking people at disney, not the c-suite, that got disney stuck in the stupid Florida battle, that eventually spilled over to Chapek vs Iger. Now these people aren't
Clarification: What's TRULY empowering? Because disney definitely sold live action mulan, raya, moana, ect as empowering.
>You can call it wokeness or self-sabotage, but to me the people flipflopping conveniently whenever a race change occurs are the real issue here.
I'll give you that it's an issue, but that it's the REAL issue? I don't buy it. That's not enough to cause garbage to come out and audiences to reject it.
They are literally full of leftist women who put their children on HRT and cut off their genitals while demanding that children’s media have more LGBT propaganda.
But by all means, Lefty, keep claiming Disney isn’t Woke.
There would be no rainbow shit at all if this was the case
>>le no true scotsman
That's not the correct analogy at all.
Isn't it kind of, uh... Weird, that the moment Disney tries another Black female protagonist, people on both sides of the aisle decide they've "had enough" of an already winning formula?
I mean, she's just Rapunzel, but Black. They're the same character.
If they survived shit like Home on the Range, they will survive this
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you are deluded
>be proven wrong
>has no argument
Typical Leftist behavior.
Go back to defending Israel, Zoggy
That's Ben Shapiro's job.
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And I mean, think about it for a second. The last time a Disney cartoon had a truly empowering female lead was Tiana. Audiences wanted the quirky girls instead.
Likewise, everyone was fine with the live-action adaptations as well, but when Little Mermaid comes out, suddenly it's a huge problem, all because Ariel is now Black.
You can call it wokeness or self-sabotage, but to me the people flipflopping conveniently whenever a race change occurs are the real issue here.
>You can call it wokeness or self-sabotage, but to me the people flipflopping conveniently whenever a race change occurs are the real issue here.
Yeah, it's the people who're wrong, not the company making shit. Kek, fricking shills, man.
>all because Ariel is now Black.
did you see the film? It's boring and all the scenes are empty, The songs are good, but that doesn't save the movie.
>The songs are good
They butchered them, and the new ones don't fit in.
>everyone was fine with the live-action adaptations as well,
You're such a disingenuous little homosexual
Step outside the internet you fricking moron
>Aladdin remake (the previous one before TLM)
Budget $183 million[6]
Box office $1.054 billion[6]
Oh my bad the last theatrical remake was TLK before TLM
Budget $250–260 million[3][4]
Box office $1.663 billion[5]
It was Mulan you moron.
These box offices are really surprising
Not really if you talk to people IRL and not in online hughboxes.
Mulan didn't have a full theatrical release during COVID. Disney put it on D+ and then charged for it
These movies looked really badly
They look average at best. I watched the Cinderella one it was fine. Didn't touch BatB because I fricking hate BatB. Watched like 5 minutes of aladdin, didn't care for it, no point in watching a longer version of a movie I watched 1000 times. The Jungle Book is honestly the only one I can say I liked better than the original movie.
>They look average at best.
Exactly, they looked really lifeless.
They weren't like Avatar.
They were never ambitions to begin with they were made to make a bunch of money. Look at the wikipedia page for the remake movies. You'll notice nearly every movie is made by a different studio because disney is just contracting different places to crank these out. Aladdin and TLK released two months apart and together they grossed almost 3billion
>The last time a Disney cartoon had a truly empowering female lead was Tiana. Audiences wanted the quirky girls instead.
Moana?
Raya?
You just listed 2 quirky girls, one from a shit movie with a dragon Nerd comment and a terrible moral
What is even your baseline for "quirky" if you included fricking Raya???
Confidence =/= Quirky
Raya is stuck on the boat with wacky party dragon, smarmy chef kid, ninja baby with her trio of monkeys, and friendly uncle barbarian; and you think SHE'S the quirky one?
I too enjoyed Moana. Dunno what people’s problem there is.
Moana, Judy, and even Mirabel are all admirable yet flawed female leads who work hard and grow into better, wiser people. It’s really just the Frozen team (F1/F2, Raya, Wish) who keep churning out garbage.
Them being moronic is what went wrong
>cool looking prince with a cool design based on a wishing star
Sometimes I think people just don't want to create a fandom, this dude would've explode the popularity of this movie
He would have been like Jack Frost x100. Jennifer Lee's hatred of heterosexuality is crashing Disney animation with no survivors.
exactly
He would have outshown a woman of color in her own movie.
Imagine if he was the villain.
>Revolutionary Girl Utena but it's a Disney movie
Modern Disney is so sterile
140719797
>I BELIEVE MY ECHO CHAMBERS
you're the wrong one idiot
If you're trying to avoid yous, you do that and NOT continue the conversation, you knuckle dragging skub smoker. Get it together. Even the horse frickers and the furries understand how to shit on people properly..
140720147
frick off Rufo, you’re the biggest moron in the world
Marxism is when people write cartoons about characters buying pads.
Don’t worry! Elio will save the day!!!
I can't wait for gay disabled space boy to have a strong wahmen save the day for him.
Didn't they postponed the release?
As someone who grew up and was very into Disney when they were young, I hope disney fails
Sorry chud, Disney will survive if I just delete a few more posts, that's sure to turn things around
My God, Americans are obsessed with race. All the critics said was that it was kinda dull, and relied too much on nostalgia
race is a very important part of pushing gay race communism
The term racism was invented by marxists. Americans are obsessed with race by design, from the cultural marxists who infiltrated our school system and government.
>/pol/
Wowww all these corporations are just virtue signaling for profit, they aren’t actually leftist!
>also /misc/
Actually the billion dollar corporation is genuinely leftist and trying to spread Marxism
How do you believe in these two conflicting narratives simultaneously?
You should frick off to /misc/ and ask them.
>How do you believe in these two conflicting narratives simultaneously?
There are some true believer woke activist cultists at Disney. There are also people who don't believe in the woke cult but still want to tick ESG checkboxes for profit. Both things can be true simultaneously. It's not a difficult concept to understand, unless you're moronic.
I'm literally left leaning and I believe the first part.
Nor /misc/ not any of the corporations are monolithic you moron
holy frick lmao
Is that the actual score? Even paying off and rigging Rotten Tomatos can't save this film. And after Barbie's success, they can't blame misogynist trolls for Wish bombing. Everyone showed up for Barbie so what will be Wish's excuse?
Barbie was really feminist too, they just made a better movie.
Yep. It was woke and feminist and designed to appeal to women-trolls didn't destroy the success of Barbie. If Wish flops, the only reason will be that women and kids didn't want to see it, but I'm sure racist white men will somehow be blamed.
it's the top critics score
Why are CNgays amd Nickshits so mad that they have no shows and do all these threads? Are they the Snoys of Cinemaphile
Staff purge. You want talented people who will not question their orders. Not talentless people who will sabotage your efforts if they disagree with you.
After that, Disney should make a movie with visual quality like it did in it's glory days, with likable characters so that people will want to buy the merchandise. And for the story, Disney should look at surviving stories throughout the world to understand the formula behind making stories that stand the test of time and appeal to many different cultures.
rent free
Holy frick, I'm only 15 minutes into this shitfest movie. Asha is every Disney sin packaged into one character. She's socially awkward when the movie needs jokes but she has a dozen friends and is very active in the community, so there's no reason why she SHOULD be socially awkward.
Autism
Sorry, I called Asha an autistic
Oh I thought you called me autistic, my bad.
Watching camrip on fmovies. I will not give this movie money.
>being a pirate
you want a brownie point homosexual?
Would you rather him be giving Disney money while being such a spastic he couldn't keep his phone off in the theatre to shitpost on Cinemaphile? The frick's your problem m8?
why are you on your phone
>Amazing Digital Circus has had more relevance than a goddamn Disney movie
What kind of timeline are we living in
Wish likely only got a lead recently because it’s about to come out, but damn
Legit something is going to give in the next decade, trying to force wokeshit to this degree is unsustainable.
See
(Not Me)
Disney can die on a societal level but it can't fail as a """Business"""
Its like this timeline took every wrong turn in Albuquerque.
>indie music is better than big record label music and everyone knows it
>indie games are better than AAA games and everyone knows it
Indie movie chads, has our time finally come?
Wow
NTA and I don't think Disney's going to die but they absolutely could fall into another dark age soon if they don't get their shit together. Not death but a loss of cultural relevance and films that barely allow them to plod along. Now if they got stuck in one of those for, say 20+ years then I'd be saying they might be dying, but this looks like we're on the potential start of one and definitely not on the back end.
>How can we rescue Disney?
Eh we already said how many times, for how many years? What's even the point trying now, they won't listen.
Another movie about the lower class black woman fighting against the rich white man, what a surprise I wonder what happens in the end!
Also the idea of the movie isn't even great, so you mean that... the king grants wishes... If they affect positively the kingdom?! How could he!!! They can't just work to achieve their wishes, that's not possible! Here's my obligatory non-human follower that every disney movie needs to have, a goat that talks.
>but disney buys reviews
They didn't have the money to buy reviews this time, I guess Disney really is dying.
Yeah they do, how else would The Marvels get a positive rating
62% isn't positive, it's near rotten. Ant-Man 3 got a rotten score early this year as well. You homies just want it to be 0% which rarely happens
Don't be so aggressive if you're not going to be precisely right anon. Disney isn't going to die, but they could most definitely lose influence, lose political power, have their board of directors lose a slapfight with activist investors, or have to make painful changes to appease those people.
You're seeing some of the manuvering with the bombs and the upcomming hulu deal.
Now sit your ass down and get a beer or something.
The only reason I still care about Disney failing is the possibility of KH4 not coming out which I think I'm OK with not having if it means they'll stop being IP hoarders in the next 2 decades or so
Too late to can KH4 and the sudden rise of videogame adaptations being successful means they will see KH as a more valuable brand than ever
A Kingdom Hearts movie unironically would save Disney. Too bad they hate the IP for some reason.
Because they have to share it with Square Enix.
Nomura is Square's favorite guy and KH is his baby. Disney could die and shut down every studio they own and Nomura would still make KH games.
I guess this won’t be nominated for Best Animated Film, just like Lightyear and Strange World last year.
stfu pretentious moron
I’m not pretentious, most ppl don’t even know what Gnosticism is. It’s “esoteric” and stupid.
Illuminati, all secret societies rule everything. In the end, it’s all secular humanism, evilness, but a part of it is Gnosticism which is basically lucid arisen because it says God is evil and that u don’t need Jesus to save you, you can save yourself (utterly impossible) and you can “become your own god through Christ consciousness and gnosis” It’s the narc religion, just like how Marxism and socialism is self-serving to the detriment of other’s work.
Many branches of gnosticism see the Christ as an emanation of the true god calling us to awaken and free ourselves. You may need some remedial mystery school.
SOOOOOOOUUUUUUULLLL
Wait wut, Magnifico ends up as the Evil Queen's mirror? That's fricking hilarious. Is there a Maleficent cameo too by any chance?
A figure in the evil book looks like her
I am irrationally happy that by the sound of things, Maleficent is still the most overall powerful Disney villain.
This is true too though, yeah. In their rush to just insert IDEA and spread MESSAGE the writers do tend to screw up the story as a whole just to make one specific point. Instead of extending natural human behaviours and plot points, everything has to err towards putting the troony autist cripple in the best possible light even if it makes no sense.
Wokeness may not in itself be inevitably bad writing, but the corporate mandate to push wokeness does tend to result in bad writing. Not everyone is, say, Vertigo-era Neil Gaiman and capable of letting their woke characters suffer like everyone else and avoid hogging the spotlight before giving them their happy ending.
>the corporate mandate to push wokeness does tend to result in bad writing.
I"m not sure if it's a corporate mandate though. Gabby riviera doesn't have a corporate mandate. The corporate part is deciding she got the job and so many issues to crash the plane with no survivors.
>The corporate part is deciding she got the job and so many issues to crash the plane with no survivors.
That is more what I was referring to. Broader than this specific issue, when something goes wrong in the corporate world it tends to be because someone higher up the hierarchy decided he knew better than the people at lower rungs of the organisation and came up with a drastic idea, when he really didn't
He uses her staff after he turns evil
>smug expression as the person you vowed to love in sickness and in health, for rich or for poor, so long as you both shall live, is doomed for all eternity because you couldn't be bothered to tell him about the anti-evil oil you used or wish him cured from possession
>women smug about betraying men
Yep.
She knew what she was doing.
Disney Princess Cinematic Universe, Jesus Christ.
Aare they seriously fricking implying all their movies exist in the same stupid universe? That every goddamn Disney movie since the 30s exists because "le quirky main character girl" and her squad of acceptably diverse friends? This actually offends me
They've actually sunk so low that they're trying to emulate fricking Shrek. But references like that work in Shrek because it's a parody that we know is not the actual Disney movie so it's not hard to separate them. But Wish IS a Disney movie. It's so bad that it not only ruins itself, but it has tainted every actually good Disney movie just by existing.
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You just click on my number on the top right to get the reply box with it already typed up and tagged. Christ is king btw 😉
nah
>it’s because they’re woke!
Yeah and then you conveniently skip over the Barbie movie making 1 billion faster than any other WB movie, the Mario movie succeeding with girlboss Peach, the Spider-Man movies with Miles Morales, Black Panther, etc. Even last year Disney raked in 2 billion because of Avatar 2 so it isn’t all doom and gloom. This movie didn’t fail because of “wokeness” it failed because of bad writing
Disney is struggling for several reasons. The Writer’s strike is one of them. Bloated budgets for animation that could be cheaper and more heavily stylized is another. Streaming is another problem. The focus on Disney+ means there’s pressure to constantly produce content to keep that streaming service attractive. This leads to several other problems. Movies that get released in theaters end up going to Disney+ in order to keep that afloat. Unless you have something truly unique most people will see no reason to go watch it in theaters - they’ll just wait until it goes to Disney+ instead. Two is that because they need new content for Disney+ this incentivizes constantly producing new shows, leading to a quantity over quality problem where their resources - and their marketing- are stretched thin. This can also lead to the market being over-saturated with too many shows of middling quality so it becomes harder to care about it all. Star Wars and Marvel have both had this issue. Marvel introduced way too many new characters without really developing them, and has too many shows.
Lastly they need visionaries for their animation department with a very clear idea of what they want to do to make their films competitive. With Wish it feels like they’re trying to go nostalgic, which implies they’re running out of ideas. They can’t just assume their movies will instantly sell or are instant quality, they need someone who understands that Disney has serious competition now and they need something fresh and exciting to win people over
>This movie didn’t fail because of “wokeness” it failed because of bad writing
Yeah I don't especially like alphabet soup people, but look at Wallace from Scott Pilgrim (the comic and the movie; haven't seen the Netflix show). He was just a dude that fricked other dudes and gave life advice. He wasn't excessively smug. Pointlessly treacherous. Or put on a pedestal more than he would've been if he fricked chicks.
I can be won over by a homosexual if he's a cool homosexual like Freddy Mercury, but I can't stand special snowflakes that get set up with an aesop and then get to have their cake and eat it too.
Honestly if they want to nostalgiabait that desperately, they should just fully jump the shark and make a Kingdom Hearts movie. Just make EVERYONE be Xehanort if you're that out of ideas
I contend that wokeness is sometimes related to bad writing. We see quite a few movies where the woke part was finely crafted and done to perfection, by woke standards anyways, and the rest of the product falls apart completely. Priorities. Effort. Where do you spend you rewrite time?
>Yeah and then you conveniently skip over the Barbie movie making 1 billion faster than any other WB movie,
Becausw of normie women and deceiptive marketing you idiot, that and people on the anti woke side wanting to "hate watch" and those who suck up the KEN IS BASED meme.
>So the Mario movie
That was a generic CGI Illumination slop filled with member berries, plot and writing issues due to constant in fighting between Miyamoto and the people at Illumination, plus him surrendering and doing the woke speech about princess peach video using a californian script, meanwhile, Oda actually man up and said that he did got into fights with the commiefornians at netflix, so they are just waiting to kick him out.
The solution is DONT CONPROMISE.
>BUT
stfu
so many excuses and goalpost moving.
Woke is not a zero sum game anon. Much of LULZ and pol actually liked the barbie movie, for treating Ken's problems with actual respect.
>Oda actually man up and said that he did got into fights with the commiefornians at netflix, so they are just waiting to kick him out.
Based Oda if true, what the frick are these morons "thinking"?
>making shit up in your head cause you have a state
god you’re pathetic
Sometimes things fail due to being woke. Sometimes woke things faila that have nothing to do with wokeness. Sometimes things succeed despite being woke. It's not a zero sum game and I hate how both sides made it so.
Its a literal none factor that the far-right just likes to jerk themselves off over as a win in their "cultural war".
Sure, that's why the left side acts like they won in the South Park Panderverse episode, much like how the right acts like they won in that, when really, the only loser was Disney. Stop acting like the left are rational and above it all when the entirety of Reddit and Twitter exists.
Speaking only for myself, I don't consider any of those things woke. Mario Movie would be woke if Peach had to save the day because Toad, Luigi, DK, and Mario failed to. Having a trans Barbie in that movie makes sense because Barbie as a toy line has always been about being inclusive. Having a crippled Asian in your Spain-inspired setting makes no fricking sense. Spiderman currently has two successful movie lines: One with Peter and one with Miles, so I have no idea why the frick Cinemaphile is constantly doomposting Spiderman.
Cinemaphileners use the word WOKE so much it's lost all its meaning, like "toxic" or "racist". I consider something woke when it's trying to include liberal values at the detriment of the story or design. Something that sticks out like a sore thumb or just feels awkward and ruins pacing. Doing a biography about Joan of Arc and casting a black actress is an example of this. Or making Buttercup from the PPG claim she's non-binary and she talks about that for a full 30-seconds when she's always been proud to be a tough girl would be weird and distracting. At least that's what I consider to be woke.
You're one of the few level headed people here, anon. I commend you for it and wish more people took this approach. Culture war shit is just moronic in general
>Doing a biography about Joan of Arc and casting a black actress is an example of this.
Funny you should say that since that’s exactly what was done with Anne Boleyn
and Cleopatra
Yeah and iirc it totally bombed
>this is what AMC apes on Cinemaphile are betting their family savings on
Wait, you mean you DON'T let some dumbfuuck youtube video thumbnails make you think that's what all republicans in the world want, and that you DON'T listen to some water filter salesman tell you about neo gay homofacist transexuals in the schools?
Oh, and I must admit, I"m part of what you're seeing. I deliberately use the word woke to refer to all sorts of shit it shouldn't apply to in an attempt to devalue it. I dumped it on both sides of the Mario movie, all over spiderverse. I made at least 400 threads this last summer movie season, and tv, pol and leftypol jumped all over that shit.
It was ME barry.
Pretty much this. Reminder that most of us on this site grew up with shows likes Captain Planet, Extreme Ghostbusters, Hey Arnold and the like, shows that featured a diverse cast of characters and played it normal. Fricking Burger King had a diverse cast of mascots and no one complained.
Nothing
Everything went as everyone expected it would.
No one had faith in this movie being good at all.
Change coco for zootopia, tarzan for inside out, hercules for pinocchio and the emperor's new groove for dumbo. Also, hunchback should be in based.
I would also make a new category above based called actual art and put fantasia in there.
Imagine LARPing as a christian while posting on the same site with incontinence porn communities and actual Nazis lmao
Bc it’s anonymous, and I’m not on /nsfw/
Who's larping? You preach the gospel and bring the Word to the sinners.
Imagine coming to Cinemaphile while being so fragile the mere implication of the presence of a christian triggers you
Get woke go broke.
The problem is that it's a movie made for and by moronic spoiled millennials who want everything to handed to them for free on a silver platter and don't want to be told they can't have something.
It's so easy to rescue Disney. All they have to do is a classic fairy tale story. A white prince and a white princess, find each other, fall in love, fight an evil IRREDEEMABLE villain (with a killer song). KILL HIM at the end, and then live happily ever after
It's such a fricking easy formula, it's amazing how the frick they always manage to complicate things.
That's one way to do it (assuming the reviewers don't tear it apart.)
The more "modern-sensibilities-friendly" way to do it would be to stop all the agendas and race-swapping and go back to their roots of making fun animated versions of old fables and fairy tales, BUT double down on the global aspect of things.
Adapt stories from different cultures around the world, go send some "Imagineers" or whatever they're called now over to SEA or different parts of Africa or South America or Hawaii or Ireland or whatever else, just go hunting for fun stories from random cultures, then put that "Disney flair" on it like they used to.
I mean, I liked Princess and the Frog's take on it too, where you'd take a fairytale and completely spin the hell out of it into something completely unrelated yet unique. I'm generally labeled as "racist as frick", but I love the movie because it was such a fun twist on the story and was a really fun adventure through a pretty underused locale and culture, plus we got Ray and Facilier out of it and a ton of cool songs, plus that whole song with the art deco (or whatever it's called) art style.
Now it's like "The Little Mermaid but she's black and this is her canon look now and you can't say anything or you're racist, and we AI'd her breasts because that misogyny and-" etc.
On top of that, nothing's memorable anymore, the only times any Disney movie ever has any lasting cultural impact nowadays is if some waifu shows up in the movie or a character from the movie becomes a popular meme.
...or if they manage to pull lighting out of a bottle and make those Mickey shorts on Youtube, frick, I rewatch that damn series about twice a year.
>The Little Mermaid but she's black and this is her canon look now and you can't say anything
no one fricking said this
It's implied. Once you go black, you can't ever go back.
This. Look at the hate fans who draw Scooby Doo art get on social media because they didn't draw the Velma version.
Neither of these are true.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that, while I look at social media doing the exact opposite of what you keep saying. Black Ariel and Indian Velma are the new normal while the originals are the racist outliers, just like Apriel o Neal. The people have spoken so either stop galighting us already. We are never getting the originals back.
Dude you realize they’re still releasing movies with Velma’s regular design. Also people dont like Velma (show), people would more likely be harassed for drawing something from that show. And 90s April is in a fighting game that released like a week ago. Get out of your own ass.
twitter justice warriors did
>twitter
You’re an idiot than
Black ariel gets its own tv show.
an Irish fairly tale movie would go so hard
Cartoon Saloon has the market cornered.
>this is her canon look now
LoL no, all little mermaid merch still uses the animated version
Nope. I just went to Disneyland and California Adventure a few weeks ago. All the little mermaid merch is black Ariel. Even in the shop outside the CA little mermaid ride, the merch is black little mermaid. The only classic Ariel merch I saw selling was the Ariel bubble guns, but they have been selling those for 20+ years and I'm sure when stock runs out they'll switch to black Ariel bubble guns. Park Ariel character actor is the black version too.
To be fair
>California
I suspect this is part of the push for the new movie. I’d be curious to see the distribution of old vs new Ariel in a few years.
went to Disney World last week. Dominating merch is animated Ariel by far. There was maybe five statues of black Ariel in the whole park
I wonder why they didn't use the new Peter Pan look in the movie with all the diversity they shoved in there.
We're in a period where Zaslav is selling Warner Brothers and CN properties left and fricking right as a tax write-off just to recoup from HBOMax frickiness, and you think Disney is immune to that?
>What went wrong thread
>WOKE WOKE WOKE CULTURAL MARXISM WOKE WOKE LITERAL SECRET SOCIETIES PUSHING IDEOLOGY WOKE WOKE
jesus christ I thought Cinemaphile could actually talk about cartoons
But fine, okay, what actually went wrong.
Short answer: Disney is in the same rut they landed in post-renaissance in the early 2000s.
Long answer: Disney falls into these eras of constant success every so often and that makes them creatively complacent. "If it isn't broke, don't fix it" and all that. The business heads are also incentivized to make movies that are as wide-reaching as possible. No niche products like Treasure Planet. Every movie should be the next Frozen, so each movie should be LIKE Frozen. Safe, reliable, and with similar messages and themes that are easily relatable to kids.
Wish is just more of that, topped with the extra cherry of being the studio's big celebration of itself. So you get the same safe, audience-friendly material they've coasted on for a while, while also getting as many disney references thrown at you as possible to reminds you of their past successes. Both of those, coupled together, equals a movie that, at this point, is feeling a bit more shallow than it probably felt to the creators.
>Hiding his head in sand
>house is on fire
>OH MY GOD, WHY ARE YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT FIRE FIRE FIRE
If they stopped trying to market things to people outside of a property's regular audience they'd be doing fine.
They had a really good run the past decade, to the point they probably became too big for their own good. It's probably time they take a break, cut the fat, reorganize. Or just let others take the lead. I mean, Disney has had a "dark age" before managed to recover.
No, I just don't believe companies are pushing ideological propaganda to usher in a new world order that overthrows and enslaves the world like this board is determined to believe
Stay in denial, then.
whatever you say, random person on this internet board
And the idea that it is possible to pander to everybody and every demographic is a fantasy.
It is not possible, and when you try appealing to everyone you end up appealing to nobody.
>Why is it that after decades of networks producing people still want to watch...The Office?
>Because there were WHITE
>Rashida Jones, Leslie David Baker, Mindy Kaling, Oscar Nunez, Craig Robinson
>white
Theres more, but these are the non-white characters in season 1 with the exception of Rashida, who I only added because she's literally in the fricking image you posted
Are you seriously trying to argue the main cast of the office wasn't extremely white, or are you trying to argue that white people don't mind token minorities?
White people don't mind minorities period. You think productions like the Bad Boys movies, The Bill Cosby show, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Black Panther etc. were only popular among black people?
Meanwhile you think that only white people enjoyed Lord of the Rings, The Office, Game of Thrones or Avengers?
It's a bunch of revisionist history, that's what it is. No one was scared of watching something "woke" as little as ten years ago. No one thought of moviesor shows as being any worse based on the demographical composition of its cast.
>You think productions like the Bad Boys movies, The Bill Cosby show, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Black Panther etc. were only popular among black people?
No, white people will occasionally like non-diverse media featuring other cultures, like Black Panther or Crazy Rich Asians. Those films aren't diverse, they're featuring another race.
>Meanwhile you think that only white people enjoyed Lord of the Rings, The Office, Game of Thrones or Avengers?
Basically yes. The statistics don't lie, all of those were massively over-represented with white audiences and underrepresented with non-white audiences.
>No one thought of moviesor shows as being any worse based on the demographical composition of its cast.
Now THAT is revisionist history. Of course they fricking did. Studios have had to deal with the fact white people want to watch white people for decades. They had to stop the South from editing shows and movies to erase black people back in the 60s.
And its easy to see, a popular white media franchise makes a ton of money, they add diversity, it flops. Just like Avengers. Just like Amazon's new Lord of the Rings. Just like the later seasons of Game of Thrones. Even progressive white leftists aren't immune, they don't consciously pick media to consume based on the color of the actors, its rare anybody really does, but they were first in line to see the white Marvel slop, and when faced with the choice of supporting diverse movies or nothing, they'll pick nothing and blame it on "Superhero Fatigue".
>Just like Amazon's new Lord of the Rings. Just like the later seasons of Game of Thrones
to be fair, you list things that got worse writing wise
Ah yes, quite right anon. But were you aware that it's all a government psyop to get us angry at something pointless, so they can more easily cover up the existence of the moon men?
>they were first in line to see the white Marvel slop, and when faced with the choice of supporting diverse movies or nothing, they'll pick nothing and blame it on "Superhero Fatigue".
It’s a bit disingenuous not to blame at least some of this on Marvel’s shitty decisions. Shang-Chi was fine but they’ve done nothing with him since despite having a popular lead in the role. The Marvels is a sequel to three different properties and two Disney+ shows. Honestly Black Panther 2 upsets me the most because it had the most potential and goodwill with audiences and they squandered it so bafflingly. I get that Boseman’s death left them in a weird spot, but even leaving the decision not to recast (and Shuri’s actress being problematic) aside, the choices they made are narratively bizarre and just flat out depressing. Black Panther 1 was about T’Challa was about overcoming grief at the death of his father, rising to the occasion of being both a hero to the world and a leader for his people. The sequel was about Shuri doing the same thing after T’Challa dies off screen and kind of causing her mother’s death by trusting Namor? Like, what benefit is there in killing off and getting rid of the well regarded supporting cast apart from the actors getting out of their contracts? Worse, what’s left for audiences to look forward to on our next adventure with the new female Black Panther? Seeing her hang with Ironheart and make fun of colonizer Bilbo?
Did Bilbo baggins her in the sequel?
I’d watch the that tape
What frustrates me about the decision to not recast T’Challa is that kids don’t notice that kind of shit. Batman changed almost every movie when I was a kid and nobody gave a shit until they gave him nipples and a credit card.
That, and the whole legacy aspect would have been better done than Captain America's. Black Panther could have been the black James Bond.
>black James Bond
Which is another property people have actually asked for. You’re right. Jesus Christ I feel bad all the little black boys out there Disney and friends have decided don’t need role models like Black Panther (even though that was a big part of the praise for the first movie?). I guess representation matters less when you have a penis.
>White people want to watch films/TV about WHITE PEOPLE
>about 1/3 of the main cast is non-white
I'm arguing that nobody watched The Office merely because it had white people you fricking moron.
>1/3 of the minor and side character where not-white, ignore that all the main cast were white, I am not insane!!!
Fricking cope.
And studios realized this basics fact for decades. Black people don't want to watch white people, so networks and studios made films and TV shows for black people cast with black people, and they made shows like Friends and Frasier and Will & Grace for white people.
Except due to white media being more popular (because black people are simply 13% of the population) radical progressives have fought to make it impossible to have media for white people, it all has to be diverse. But programs and media exclusively for black people is still being made to this day.
>But programs and media exclusively for black people is still being made to this day.
All of that has low viewership and is declining amongst Gen Z black audiences
>Asha is so bland she has a single picture on rule34.
Mirabelle shits on her
Is that what happens in the picture?
Birth rates are so low that there isn't enough kids to watch their slop
Disney should fully commit to the demographic of millennial adult-children who keep watching this stuff yearning for the times they were younger
Watched the camrip last night and if the script wasn't written by AI, I'll be utterly surprised. The way events unfolded is exactly something I'd experience playing OG AI Dungeon or NovelAI.
>AIgay
every fricking thread, frick off
Make me, gay. What do you have against my opinion when you know I'm right?
>projection
Let me guess, your uncle works for Disney
We are recuing them now by not consuming there woke media garbage. Once they see it doesn't sell to their fans and the ones they are pandering too don't even consume their products they'll come crawling back to the fans that they abandoned which was making them all the money in the first place.
It is currently at 50%
>Settle a country
>Make it prosperous
>People are too lazy to try and achieve their own dreams, so you are the bad guy
It is 49% now
I honestly can't believe it's still dropping.
Yes, and these are the hand picked critics.
I think it will be lower
I'm curious to know why you think it's gonna drop lower. Not that I'm accusing you of being wrong, I just wanna know what you thought of the film. Disney is usually universally well-liked so it seems to get a free pass even when the storytelling is sub-par because it's kids entertainment.
I felt like the film was too pedantic. I could write a whole essay, but I'd probably just repeat what people have already said. Too many references. Too much exposition.
Those are the early access reviews.
well, thanks for answering my question. good discussion.
Yes, those are the reviews more likely to be favorable to it.
The movie is genuinely just soulless. Asha is Raps/Anna/Mirabel/Moana type of passionate and quirky, but with no backstory, relationships, or layers to flesh her out. The VA makes a heroic effort to give her some likability, but there’s only so much she can do with that sanitized corporate script. Magnifico is a pale shade of Alma from Encanto, except written by morons and forcedly showed into a villain role so some suit can check “have an evil villain” off the list of mandatory movie elements. Asha’s family and friends are irritating and empty, and the goat and the star are so focus-tested that you can practically see the marketing people behind the screen, with their introduction culminating in the most tortured “singing animals” scene in recent memory, with such beautiful and heartfelt lines like “in this universe, we’re all shareholders”. It’s all just painful to watch.
>49%
>81 reviews
So there's still a lot of reviews that'll come out in the next week. Wondering if it'll go lower or back up.
I'm not gonna keep my hopes up and just say it'll be back at 60% due to the amount of reviews that will say "it's fine". Which is technically praise in RT score standards.
Trolls 3 was able to reach fresh status specifically because of it. But that's also blatantly doing stupid shit and not pretending it's special, so maybe that gives it a bonus.
It's not just critics, I've seen youtube reviews from people with few subscribers who were able to watch screenings early. They're also giving it middling reviews, giving it at best 6/10. So it's not some entitled critic thing, it's just a general opinion of it being underwhelming.
It's a movie exclusively for disney mega fans who scream when they see something they recognize.
Can't rescue them, they've been corrupted by the evil book.
Traditionally animated Princess of Mars
DO IT YOU COWARDS
I would love this, especially if we could get a halfway decent Dejah Thoris. That said I think the Burroughs estate is a pain even though it’s public domain.
>100th Anniversary Milestone film
>generic ~le sassy brown grilboss movie with shit writing
Less brown girl leads would certainly help. Also, come up with more original stories that rehash parts of your older work (Pinocchio).
It needed a young attractive male hero who is also her love interest.
Young girls love to watch movies with handsome male protagonists
So many good ideas and we end up with this crappy movie. Disney deserves to burn.
An evil villian couple. I would have LOVED this. I loved how blatantly evil the king was. Loved his confidence and demeanor.
Hated the talking goat. He and asha's friends got annoying very fast. Too bloated of a cast.
Also REMOVE jennifer lee. Most of the movie she's been involved in have failed.
Movie gets a 6/10. Chris pines killed it as king magnifico.
Loved the songs. Movie looked unfinished and unrendered. Like alena of avalor or sophia the first.
They keep on trying to remove the love interests in these princess movies but you literally need to get with a prince to be a princess, and little girls love princes
these people are so fricking moronic
140740332
stfu moron
If they don't give a shit why should we?
Put a Dude In It And Make Him Straight.
PUT A DUDE IN IT, AND MAKE HIM COOL AND STRAIGHT
>Good job, PaRappa! You saved Disney!
>Allriiiight!
PUSH THE BUTTON AND JUST PULL THE CHAIN
We are now officially sub 50.
Top critics was around 33% last time I checked.
31% and 4.9/10 for Top Critics right now.
Ah so audience scores are coming in now?
Guess we'll see if there's a big disconnect between critics and audiences.
Big disconnect between critics and Disney shills more like
>Loved it! Great message! Stay thru the credits! Everyone in my theater clapped at the end!
>Wish reminded me of the Disney that I loved as a kid. The blended animation style of watercolor painting and CG was gorgeous, and the music was quite good!
>Loved that this movie takes me back to what Disney truly is! I will see this movie again!! Well done Disney
>Cute. Lots of fun Disney Easter eggs. Story was fresh, but odd twist with trust. Liked Disney characters during the credits. Really nostalgic end credit scene, too
>Absolutely amazing!! The storyline is awesome. The music and songs are incredible. Thanks for reminding us to always believe and reach for the stars!! I just loved the ending after the credits!! Disney, thanks for always encouraging us to be our best and to never stop dreaming!!
>The kids loved it! We laughed a lot! Great for everyone!!
>This was the first time my daughter goes to the movies and we couldn’t pick a better one! It was a very delightful experience
>A very fun and fantastic fairy tale about the fight against a greedy ruler. With wonderful songs and animation. Asha is a very great lead and the villain is hilariously devious.
>Amazing! Felt like an old school Disney movie. Loved the mix of computer generated and hand-drawn. Characters are great, songs are next level, Easter eggs are so fun!
>Absolutely gorgeous film! An astonishing dedication to the history of Disney itself, a tribute to the magic it keeps on giving in the past 100 years, and I am in emotions for the display of sheer magic and heart it provides. Highly recommend to all dreamers alike
>Sweet and insightful movie. Definitely worth watching.
>The perfect movie for Disney’s 100 anniversary!
>There are trolls giving negative , made up eviews of the movie. See for yourself. The kids loved it!
>There are trolls giving negative , made up eviews of the movie. See for yourself.
…so, critics?
I am curious to know what the lowest audience scores for Disney films are. Try to determine what the lowest point is before brand worship kicks in
>These are so called audience reviews
This is gonna be like Rise of Skywalker were the audience score is just magically never gonna dip below 88%.
Did chatgpt write these reviews?
In this day and age? It is unironically a distinct possibility there could be bots being utilized to drum up easy support. Welcome to the future.
I'm almost certain of it
AI bots and server space in a company that already needs to have a frickload of computer infrastructure is inherently going to be cheaper than paying the critics like normal and they've long since cottoned on to the idea that people refer to the audience ratings because critics lost all credibility outside of youtubegays, hence all the psyop campaigns about "review bombing."
So astroturfing the frick out of things with an AI seems plenty possible. It's Disney, they've done some insane shit to try and manipulate audience perception and lure in customers before.
It was at 85% last time I checked. But Disney fanatics are never going to let it dip too low.
The Anon who dropped the audio a couple of days ago when they were granted a preview of the film sounded like these guys.
I'm pretty sure people who like this film have only ever seen 20 films in their lives, and they must've all been Disney films.
>or bots... mostly bots or someone spam posting with multiple accounts
But to be someone genuinely in love with Wish is a weird person with no other stresses in their lives to worry about.
They will astroturf the shit out of audience reviews and pretend the movie is beloved by the people, and it's only racist critics who are wrong
For some reason modern studios are completely averse to criticism. External criticism is never genuine, it HAS to be from trolls or bigots because their movies couldn't possibly have any flaws, and internal criticism seems to be nonexistent.
So how long does she have, anons? Or is she untouchable like KK?
She's untouchable. They can only hope to replace her with a black or minority woman and the only ones available are even less qualified diversity hires than she is. Their only hope is if she steps down herself.
>How can we rescue Disney?
Why would we?
>200 million dollar budget
How does Disney let their budgets get so fricking out of control?
It was good. Great message. Good songs. Cute MC. co made me think it was a complete disaster.
Holy shit. This is disastrous
It's Joever
They're fighting hard to freshen the rating
>All of those reviews that read like obvious AI.
I'm glad to see the movie getting good reviews on both rotten tomatoes and Youtube. I thought I was crazy for liking it.
It's a Disney movie, of course the diehards eat it up regardless. If you look, you can easily find positive reviews for even their most infamous films.
Have them buy more IPs.
Keyed. That movie looked shit and the fetishgays that still talk about it are dull.
Nah we still getting Disney worlds. Star Wars is in the trailer.
Fair. But I think it shows that we arent only getting original worlds. Maybe they'll do different kinds of picks, like live action movies (plz dont).
Just saw it tonight and my low expectations were met. As someone who’s loved Disney all their life, I was incredibly disappointed in this film.
I’ve been following Disney’s promotion of this movie on Instagram and Twitter so I was aware of most of the songs except for the “At All Costs”. The whole scene and song was incredible awkward to watch, especially already knowing Magnifico is the villain. And the song itself, outside the context of the film, sounds like a love song.
Both Pine and DeBose also sing it very sincerely, which makes the disconnect between what you're hearing and what's happening on the screen even worse. They're clearly singing it to each other, not to some random balls of light.
It's even worse when you hear the Demo version
Like they changed the line from "LOVE YOU as one does" to "PROMISE as one does"
Tolkien was right about Disney, it was never good.
>Rapunzel is a quirky weirdo because she grew up isolated in a tower
>Anna is a quirky weirdo because she grew up isolated in a castle while her sister completely stonewalled her for seemingly no reason
>Moana is a quirky weirdo because ???
>Maribelle is a quirky weirdo because ???
>Asha is a quirky weirdo because ???
I love Raps as much as the next guy but can we try a different archetype? Rapunzel feels like a fully developed character but every Princess past her feels like a charicature.
I'm not a fan of "quirky", it just sounds like the softest version possible of creating a flaw or gimmick. Quirk-y, like someone who has quirks? So pretty much everyone? Here's a better idea, give us a character that is absolutely abnormal or autistic.
To be fair, Moana feels more like an adventurous tomboy archetype, and Mirabel had to compensate for being powerless in a family where having the "right" gifts was paramount so as to serve the town and keep the family's strength.
Mirabel being a quirky weirdo makes a bit more sense than Moana or Asha as she's the black sheep of the family who gets ignored and belittled a lot and is desperately trying to pull her own weight despite being powerless.
They're all quirky weirdos because they're cartoon characters.
>Moana is a quirky weirdo because ???
She actually isn't, outside of a few moments. She's a tomboy adventurer and she's the straight man to Maui's quirkiness.
>Maribelle is a quirky weirdo because ???
It's mostly a front to mask her insecurity and the feeling of being a black sheep. She's quiet and reflective when she's not playing the role.
>Asha is a quirky weirdo because ???
No explanation, the movie is just bland and badly written.
Mirabel makes perfect sense if you just see her as "Class Clowning" to try to be "Special" like her family when she is quirking it up, i consider her on team "Justifiably Quirky".
Anyway, i think the best way to put Wish is that it is basically the Cinemaphile or Disney equivalent of Saints Row (2022).
Moana isn’t really quirky at all, just confident.
Mirabel is quirky as a means of trying to get attention as the black sheep of the family. It’s also partly because she’s relegated to being the roommate and babysitter of a young child she needs to keep entertained to show her worth. Her personality is a big reason why Antonio is the only one other than Mirabel’s parents who treat her with any respect.
at what point is Moana quirky? If anything Maui is the quirky one of the duo.
>Wish had a 200 million budget
>same if not more than Napoleon
Wow what the frick is wrong with Disney's budgets
Everything in the movie that wasn't Magnifico was honestly pretty lame and the music sucked. But the the theorizer and lore nut inside me actually kind of loved it for the fairy godmother and magic mirror stuff.
>most of the positive reviews praise the """""easter eggs""""""
Can it really be called an easter egg when the movie caves your skull in as it hammers you over the head with the references?
>GEE ASHA, YOU'RE LIKE OUR FAIRY GODMOTHER!
>THIS IS WHY I'M CALLED GRUMPY
>HOW ABOUT NEVERLAND?
>Can it really be called an easter egg when the movie caves your skull in as it hammers you over the head with the references?
Yes? The movie is all about referencing the animated movies. If you don't like that then it's just not for you.
I'm saying that literally everyone in the reviews is misusing the term easter egg. And easter egg would be seeing a cloak that looks like the Fairy Godmother's hanging on a hook in Asha's room or something, but the movie itself not explicitly calling attention to it and just letting the audience be pleased with themselves if they catch it. They're called easter eggs because, ya know, they're fricking hidden
It would be like people pointing to the live action Pinocchio scene and being like "LOOK AT ALL THE EASTER EGGS :D"
Like, yes Disney, I know you made these other BETTER movies.
i dunno what that thing in the middle is but if it keeps its mouth that way i wanna put my dick into it
Thats a goat, you want to mouth frick a talking goat.
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This is the demo of "At all costs"
>"LOVE YOU as one does" to "PROMISE as one does"
This was originally supposed to be between the king and queen, wasn't it?
That or Asha and Star boy... or both couples interwoven
Or maybe Asha and twink star boy.
Phantom of the Opera feels like it could work. Just adapt the shit out of it
There's already a really famous musical version of that though, even Disney would struggle to get out of its shadow
And I do not trust nu-Disney to be faithful to it. Hell, I have no doubt that the chick will learn that she can be the best girlboss she can be.
For many people, the musical is the definitive version. Similar to Les Miserbles. Colm Wilkinson starred in both, amusingly
phantom of the opera
anything Shakespeare
anything Goethe, it would be edgy and unique if disney did faust, but they would have to bring up the idea of the devil to children
The only traditional tale Disney deserves to adapt right now is, "The Goose that Laid Golden Eggs". I think it has a good and important moral lesson that modern people ought to see.
That would require them to be self-aware
Or willing to do a story that doesn't have a princess in it
They need to do something entirely new. Wish was too generic and no one cares about Marvel anymore.
They need to make something bold and ambitious to usher in a new era
>Starblob
>MagnifiCUTE
any other plush?
Probably one of the Alan Tudyk goat
Very easy
Stop hiring industry writers because they're all proven to be shit. Stop doing original stories and go back to adapting YA novels
>They reuse the Knock on Wood joke from Encanto 2 minutes in
Is there even a song on the Wish soundtrack that comes even remotely close to the songs in Encanto?
The love duet
>already seen some people saying they're going to play that song at their wedding
>in the context of the film it's a 40+ year old king and a 17 year old girl singing to some balls
Bravo Disney
I wasn’t aware of that song going into the movie. I was aware that Magnifico was the villain so the whole scene was really jarring. A friend I went with who hadn’t seen the promos and didn’t know Magnifico wasn’t the villain just thought the song and scene was really awkward.
The book was the villain. The king is a traumatized dude that has Vietnam flashbacks everytime he deals with someone who sounds selfish. He only starts acting like a villain since the moment he touches the evil book and gets brainwashed by it.
Someone said the lyrics sound like parents singing a lullaby to their child, which I can kinda get
It screams of a song that had a different context originally but they kept in the movie because they liked it too much
It should have been them singing or prince Magnifico with MC. They destroyed their own movie.
I get the feeling the song was originally written as a love song either between the king and queen or a song between Asha and the Star Prince. Once the direction was changed, they probably wanted to keep the song but rewrote it to fit another context
See the demo, it really is a love song.
Welp now I’m really disappointed. Assuming this was supposed be between Asha and the star boy, it would’ve made for a really beautiful scene. Disney really had the potential to make a great film.
If they kept the love song and love interest, I could picture this as the next “A Whole New World”, with lots of flying and stardust everywhere.
That would’ve been great for the wedding industry but I guess focusing on plushies was more important.
I guess the 50% doesn't mean much.
Oh no, what are we gonna do, chudbros?
dude you realize that's a shit score for verified audience.
Audience score indicates if the movie is subjectively good, it only goes down when the movie is objectively trash. People who wanted a Disney princess, a tripe story and singing got all that. People who didn't see anything they liked in the trailer, just didn't go. The "real" audience reception is the box office.
Would a Sorcerer's apprentice plot have worked better, with Magnifico taking on more of a trickster mentor role, letting Asha have just enough power to royally frick things up only for him to swoop in and bring things to order? And maybe failing to do that on his own, so they have to work together and both learn?
But then how could have they made a movie about how men with power are evil?
Probably. It still would've been derivative as frick, but at least it would've been more focused instead of beating you to death with random references that don't work together.
>What went wrong?
Same problem as Encanto, Inside Out and others
The prettiest girl gets the least screen time
this will sink like a rock at the box office. The rotten tomatoes verified score is 80%. By comparison, Elemental was 93% for verified audience.
>How can we rescue Disney?
Why should we? Let the rat kingdom fall.
The movie doesn't look good, but this thread makes me suspect a big chunk of the posters are plebeians who watch those "woke Disney is about to go broke any second" YT channels where they just read media news articles. Hence why no one her can eloquently articulate why it was bad.
Its a mediocre film trying to jump on the multiverse wagon. Pathetic.
DISNEY DOESN'T NEED TO BE RESCUED YOU FRICKING TROGLODYTES IT'S A MULTI-BIOLLION DOLLAR MEGA CORP DESPERATE FOR YOUR MONEY AND YOUR CHILDS' BRAINDEAD AWE TOWARDS THEM