No. Spawn genuinely had a cool concept. The angels of Heaven, the demons of Hell, the beasts of the Earth, Necroplasm, the mob and government dynamic. If you summarize the story it seems like the most awesome shit ever.
Marvel doesn't have anything like this, and neither does DC.
>DC has Hellblazer,
Which is a lot more mundane and uninteresting in concept. Constantine doesn't have the high-propane action that Spawn does. Hellblazer's "action" can be narrowed down to "you activated my trap card" over and over again.
all I remember from that is batman acting like clint eastwood and saying punk all the time
frank miller bats is pure autism kino and I'm glad all star exists even if it was never finished
I dunno where or when. But I'm pretty sure the current comics are just AI written and only bought by collectors after the covers. I don't think anyone reads this shit.
I'm trying to find info on the newer Spawn character Monolith cause I think he looks cool. There's like no fan engagement surrounding the character and the actual comics have barely established him. Todd drew him fighting Spawn but this apparently never happened in the comics. He's like an alien warns everyone about other planet eating aliens. He's more of an idea than a character. Yet he has an action figure. How does that work?
>He's more of an idea than a character. Yet he has an action figure. How does that work?
That's how Todd's done it since the beginning. The Spawn toys would have characters that weren't in the comic yet and the toys would debut them.
That's perfectly fine if it stays to the toyline and is probably way better than than Batman with a green cowl and a laser gun, like you'd see in other superhero toy lines.
But it seems like it's literally starting to dictate the comics.
Plague Spawn in particular. I don't even understand what it is. It was introduced as the prototype to all Hellspawn that was deemed to powerful, and to show this they had it kick Omega Spawn's ass.
But now it's like a zombie infection that passes from person to person and Soul Crusher beat one by shooting a laser gun at it?
It just seems like they need to put the new toy in the comic and don't care how it works.
The problem with calling Spawn's lore/storyline "drunken poetry" is that you're really slighting drunken poetry something fierce. Before the huge #300 milestone I was dabbling on it and it's why I gave up following it.
Al Simmons commited suicide which gave us Spawn Reilly, aka Jim Downing, Spawn's long(est) lasting blonde replacement. Wanda's murder precipitated Al's return. Wanda ended up in hell for reasons, but she basically told Al that her time was up, it's all good, he got her to heaven, not to worry. He needs to be a proper super hero and that's what he was going to focus on.
Of course that didn't last.
Then some years down the road after a bunch of buttfrickings that lead nowhere of course we find out Wanda's death wasn't an accident during a protest (as it was originally written) and now, despite Wanda telling Al he doesn't have to avenge her death he's totally going to avenge her death and of course the guy who killed her was Violator/Clown/whatever and they are like two split entities now and also in a setting where the literal, actual Armageddon happened apparently what really matters now are politics and even Heaven and Hell have to play nice with Yuu Ess Ayeee instead of more puppeteering whoever's in the governments, and even the next issue blurbs make no fricking whatsoever and you have stuff like Spawn being in the middle east taking down suicide bombers actually being him taking down a rapper who's actually a demon in disguise and an arc that concluded with Cyan becoming a super heroine having nothing of the sort whatosever.
So of course plague Spawn's not gonna make any sense either.
>Of course that didn't last.
It didn't last because fanboys wanted Al back. I agree that his story ended when it should have, and Jim was honestly as good of a replacement as you could get. But now it's kind of back to square 1.
>It didn't last because fanboys wanted Al back.
Let's be honest, it's not as if Todd didn't keep waggling that carrot constantly either. I remember how often he also kept stuff like Winn going "YOU'RE GOING TO BRING ME AL SIMMONS BACK!" in the book, always nudging that nope, Al just wasn't really gone.
That's the thing with the hamster stuck in a cage that never unlearned that pattern, Todd has complete control of his property but he decides to run it like a status quo franchise exactly like the big two.
>favourite issues?
I have two I remember:
- one has a bunch of rich white folx deciding to have a weekly raid, where after a lavish dinner, they all pick straws and whoever picks shortest will be hunted down on the manor grounds like an animal, then be served as next days dinner to the survivors. The idea is that they are trying to summon some ancient death god and once only one of them remains, he or she will become the embodiment of said god. Spawn poisons their last meal so they all vomit themselves to death after eating that last guy.
- a family with an butthole dad who is insufferable, beats the kids, etc. well one day Spawn decides he has to stop and he gets impaled on his TVs antennae. Sam & Twitch are on the scene after the police come out, they immediately recognize Al's handiworks, and therefore declare the situation to be an accident: dude had one beer too many, tripped, fell on the TV and killed himself. "Happened to my aunt once".
The one that stuck with me is where Granny Blake briefly became young again.
>favourite issues?
I have two I remember:
- one has a bunch of rich white folx deciding to have a weekly raid, where after a lavish dinner, they all pick straws and whoever picks shortest will be hunted down on the manor grounds like an animal, then be served as next days dinner to the survivors. The idea is that they are trying to summon some ancient death god and once only one of them remains, he or she will become the embodiment of said god. Spawn poisons their last meal so they all vomit themselves to death after eating that last guy.
- a family with an butthole dad who is insufferable, beats the kids, etc. well one day Spawn decides he has to stop and he gets impaled on his TVs antennae. Sam & Twitch are on the scene after the police come out, they immediately recognize Al's handiworks, and therefore declare the situation to be an accident: dude had one beer too many, tripped, fell on the TV and killed himself. "Happened to my aunt once".
I liked the irony of Al saving Eddie as a kid only for him to become a Redeemer later on.
True, I was there. Everything shit the bed around '94 or '95. I came back every few years to check out what's currently happening but it just got worse and worse every time I did.
>What went wrong?
Absolutely nothing.
Take any other Marvel or DC character like Batman or Spider-Man and look at how they've been treated over the last 30 years.
Spawn isn't perfect, but arguably it's better than the capeslop we've been given.
That and Todd runs a billion dollar toy company because he wanted to make his own Spawn toys so like there's that too
>Spawn isn't perfect, but arguably it's better than the capeslop we've been given.
Unfortunately not.
Spawn's better off because it's creator owned, but all it translated in the long term is that Todd is like a hamster in a cage that only learned to run around in that big wheel he was captive to, and despite being freed of that cage and wheel for most of his life, that's all he has learned to do and has never unlearned it.
He could have let this thing go more or less free and done crazy shit with it, but he's always breathing down any burgeoning creative team's necks and not letting anyone put their mark on it for long, bringing it to ground zero time and time again.
It's honestly a little heart breaking, not gonna lie.
>He could have let this thing go more or less free and done crazy shit with it, but he's always breathing down any burgeoning creative team's necks and not letting anyone put their mark on it for long, bringing it to ground zero time and time again.
Do you just not understand WHY Image was founded in the first place?
You're idolizing the characters instead of their creators who are the reason you idolize the character in the first place.
Why should a character outlive its creator if that's the creator's wishes?
I think manga ends up being more respectable towards their stories and characters than Westerners precisely because the author's vision isn't ruined by people constantly wanting to "expand" and "improve" their work much the same way Star Wars was bastardized into a cashcow
Then maybe Todd should drop the pretense of bringing in people to write Spawn to "let the character go elsewhere and surprise me" as he himself puts it, since he clearly just wants his take on the character to be it.
I prefer manga a whole lot more than comics but whatever Todd's doing is clearly not it. He runs it exactly like a comics operation down to the multiple monthly titles, he lets other people write it to become wildly different takes like the David Hine run, then he invariably brings it "back to basics" and so it goes.
>I think manga ends up being more respectable towards their stories and characters than Westerners precisely because the author's vision isn't ruined by people constantly wanting to "expand" and "improve" their work much the same way Star Wars was bastardized into a cashcow
anon there's still plenty of examples of manga made to just go on without the original creator as well, you're just sounding like someone who's still impressed because his goal-oriented shonen story ended.
ARE there plenty of examples? Manga wise I only know of Toriyama (essentially handing things off before he died). They decided to continue Berserk after the creator's death, so it didn't seem like a planned thing.
Even other old manga that lives to today still has full control from the original creators, like Kinnikuman and Saint Seiya.
And if the IP isn't a merchandising gold mine they seem cool with letting the story die with the creator.
Mainly comedy, but also some action like Cyborg 009 which still gets new entries, Lupin, Golgo 13, Tetsujin 28, Mazinger.
Stuff like Shin Chan, Gegege No Kitaro, Osomatsu-kun- comedy stuff lends itself well to continuous stories because there's no planned ending or ending goal.
I will grant you that these include anime adaptations, but >And if the IP isn't a merchandising gold mine they seem cool with letting the story die with the creator.
That kinda goes without saying for anything,doesn't it? Why would they continue something if there's no interest?
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None of those are continued storylines, I thought you meant something like Berserk where it's actually continuing the original fiction without the original creator.
For the opposite you have Getter Robo where they seem to be consciously choosing to NOT continue the story past the Creator's death. But they still sell toys and put it in video games and shit.
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Cyborg 009 really is though.
The concluding chapter wasn't done by the original author.
>Berserk
This one's interesting because the main assistant has stated they do know where the story goes and how to end because Miura had told them but it's now a matter of doing artistic justice to it. They know where to take the story but not how to artistically depict it.
Todd kinda fumbled the countdown concept that made the beginning of the series so interesting because he saw it was in the way of dragging out the series eternally.
What made Spawn innovative (dynamic poses, close ups, occassionally unorthodox panel layout) became commonplace. What made Spawn cool and fun ("edge") became daemonized. Todd ran out of ideas. The series shouldn't had gone past the Apocalypse.
>What made Spawn innovative (dynamic poses, close ups, occassionally unorthodox panel layout) became commonplace
Is that why Image’s action scenes are so stiff?
From my experience modern Spawn barely has action scenes. It's usually >Character sucker punches and one shots other character then does a cool pose (good for To Be Continues) >Ambiguous background struggle that isn't the focus and the outcome doesn't matter.
It's so bad it's hard to tell how strong characters are even supposed to be. They are fighting planet eating bugs but seem to be street level and vulnerable to regular guns.
The most egregious thing is that he's rebooted the series like three times by now but each time it's not a clean reboot and eventually Al has to come back as Spawn, be back on earth and be back to his regular power level. Classic superhero trope yes but for an indie title that shouldn't ever have to happen. Todd can literally do what he wants here, he doesn't need to do any sales stunts like Marvel and DC
Having to kill off and never reference the sexy bikini angels because of the gaiman lawsuit is moronic and really took away part of the 90s charm of the world. Now the angels are boring generic armored dudes with wings.
>Spawn >edgy >emotional
The edgiest it got was Al being revealed to beat wanda when he was alive, but it was more like old 70's comic melodrama domestic abuse where it's one, overly dramatic slap. It's nowhere near as edgy as, say, Doctor Light raping Sue Dibney.
As far as I know, nothing went wrong. Everyone's complaints are totally valid and I have a hard time even getting through an issue of Spawn today.
But as far as I know they still sell great and help support a toyline that's keeping a whole company afloat. They are apparently doing something right.
Yes and no. Spawn is pretty all over the place tonally and thematically following the Armageddon arc, particularly when Jim Downing became Spawn. In recent years it became more superhero-themed again when it became apparent to Image that this is what the casual reader prefers. They have the opportunity to do the more theological shit in the King Spawn book, but the main one and the Scorched spinoffs are basically like Batman and respectively X-Men.
It's complete ass. The character looks cool but that's it. I can't imagine anyone reading the book and thinking this is something they need to keep up with. Some of the best writers in comics couldn't even churn out a good Spawn story so that tells you all you need to know.
>Some of the best writers in comics couldn't even churn out a good Spawn story
Which tells you more about the effort they put in than anything else. The skeleton of this concept is solid enough. A lot of these writers simply didn't give a frick and did it for the money.
Spawn's best writing came from relatively unknown people at the time. Even Bendis' work on the Sam & Twitch and Hellspawn spinoffs was better than anything he'd put out today.
I agree. The idea sounds good on paper and Todd did an awesome job designing him but I haven't read anything at all worthwhile. Maybe I missed out. I tried that first compendium after growing up picking up the books and I barely made it through.
As far as I'm concerned, the HBO show took the elements from the comic that worked, got rid of the filler and introduced some of its own strengths to the concept. Shame they cancelled it just as Al was moving away from the basic "alleyway" arc.
From Todd's perspective, nothing. He does what he wants, makes bank, owns one of the most widely-known comic book IPs in the world outside of the big two, and doesn't have to worry about editorial oversight/mandates, deadlines, or even if the book sells because it's just a passion project for him at this point.
Why does it seem there is a dedicated group of ass hurt Marvel fans that just seethe at Todd? Especially now where not only has Todd improved over the years but compared to the current staff in the Big two (Spider Goblin ahahahahaha!) he's Garth Ennis. Not everyone likes his shit but the people that do are quite happy.
Cool ideas, no editors around to filter out the nonsense.
Sounds like every comic
No. Spawn genuinely had a cool concept. The angels of Heaven, the demons of Hell, the beasts of the Earth, Necroplasm, the mob and government dynamic. If you summarize the story it seems like the most awesome shit ever.
Marvel doesn't have anything like this, and neither does DC.
DC has Hellblazer, why settle for Todd’s soulless toy vehicle comic?
>DC has Hellblazer,
Which is a lot more mundane and uninteresting in concept. Constantine doesn't have the high-propane action that Spawn does. Hellblazer's "action" can be narrowed down to "you activated my trap card" over and over again.
>Hellblazer's "action" can be narrowed down to "you activated my trap card" over and over again.
In other words, it’s too complex for Spawn.
If by complex you mean repetitive, then sure. But picture books isn't a prestigious medium, so maybe you should tune down the elitism a notch.
>No Editor
Bullshit, the editor help write two of the best early issues.
What's funny is that the Houdini issue is a retcon of the Batman V Spawn comic.
all I remember from that is batman acting like clint eastwood and saying punk all the time
frank miller bats is pure autism kino and I'm glad all star exists even if it was never finished
I dunno where or when. But I'm pretty sure the current comics are just AI written and only bought by collectors after the covers. I don't think anyone reads this shit.
I'm trying to find info on the newer Spawn character Monolith cause I think he looks cool. There's like no fan engagement surrounding the character and the actual comics have barely established him. Todd drew him fighting Spawn but this apparently never happened in the comics. He's like an alien warns everyone about other planet eating aliens. He's more of an idea than a character. Yet he has an action figure. How does that work?
>He's more of an idea than a character. Yet he has an action figure. How does that work?
That's how Todd's done it since the beginning. The Spawn toys would have characters that weren't in the comic yet and the toys would debut them.
That's perfectly fine if it stays to the toyline and is probably way better than than Batman with a green cowl and a laser gun, like you'd see in other superhero toy lines.
But it seems like it's literally starting to dictate the comics.
Plague Spawn in particular. I don't even understand what it is. It was introduced as the prototype to all Hellspawn that was deemed to powerful, and to show this they had it kick Omega Spawn's ass.
But now it's like a zombie infection that passes from person to person and Soul Crusher beat one by shooting a laser gun at it?
It just seems like they need to put the new toy in the comic and don't care how it works.
The problem with calling Spawn's lore/storyline "drunken poetry" is that you're really slighting drunken poetry something fierce. Before the huge #300 milestone I was dabbling on it and it's why I gave up following it.
Al Simmons commited suicide which gave us Spawn Reilly, aka Jim Downing, Spawn's long(est) lasting blonde replacement. Wanda's murder precipitated Al's return. Wanda ended up in hell for reasons, but she basically told Al that her time was up, it's all good, he got her to heaven, not to worry. He needs to be a proper super hero and that's what he was going to focus on.
Of course that didn't last.
Then some years down the road after a bunch of buttfrickings that lead nowhere of course we find out Wanda's death wasn't an accident during a protest (as it was originally written) and now, despite Wanda telling Al he doesn't have to avenge her death he's totally going to avenge her death and of course the guy who killed her was Violator/Clown/whatever and they are like two split entities now and also in a setting where the literal, actual Armageddon happened apparently what really matters now are politics and even Heaven and Hell have to play nice with Yuu Ess Ayeee instead of more puppeteering whoever's in the governments, and even the next issue blurbs make no fricking whatsoever and you have stuff like Spawn being in the middle east taking down suicide bombers actually being him taking down a rapper who's actually a demon in disguise and an arc that concluded with Cyan becoming a super heroine having nothing of the sort whatosever.
So of course plague Spawn's not gonna make any sense either.
>Of course that didn't last.
It didn't last because fanboys wanted Al back. I agree that his story ended when it should have, and Jim was honestly as good of a replacement as you could get. But now it's kind of back to square 1.
>It didn't last because fanboys wanted Al back.
Let's be honest, it's not as if Todd didn't keep waggling that carrot constantly either. I remember how often he also kept stuff like Winn going "YOU'RE GOING TO BRING ME AL SIMMONS BACK!" in the book, always nudging that nope, Al just wasn't really gone.
That's the thing with the hamster stuck in a cage that never unlearned that pattern, Todd has complete control of his property but he decides to run it like a status quo franchise exactly like the big two.
favourite issues?
>favourite issues?
I have two I remember:
- one has a bunch of rich white folx deciding to have a weekly raid, where after a lavish dinner, they all pick straws and whoever picks shortest will be hunted down on the manor grounds like an animal, then be served as next days dinner to the survivors. The idea is that they are trying to summon some ancient death god and once only one of them remains, he or she will become the embodiment of said god. Spawn poisons their last meal so they all vomit themselves to death after eating that last guy.
- a family with an butthole dad who is insufferable, beats the kids, etc. well one day Spawn decides he has to stop and he gets impaled on his TVs antennae. Sam & Twitch are on the scene after the police come out, they immediately recognize Al's handiworks, and therefore declare the situation to be an accident: dude had one beer too many, tripped, fell on the TV and killed himself. "Happened to my aunt once".
The one that stuck with me is where Granny Blake briefly became young again.
I liked the irony of Al saving Eddie as a kid only for him to become a Redeemer later on.
I think it was #6 or #8. The one with the pedophile clown who gets popsicles stuffed up his ass.
>people talking about spawn
Did I warp back to the 90s?
You should be so lucky, the 90s were the last time comics had any relevancy.
It was also when they died and never recovered
True, I was there. Everything shit the bed around '94 or '95. I came back every few years to check out what's currently happening but it just got worse and worse every time I did.
It's been 30 years now, how sad is that?
>What went wrong?
Absolutely nothing.
Take any other Marvel or DC character like Batman or Spider-Man and look at how they've been treated over the last 30 years.
Spawn isn't perfect, but arguably it's better than the capeslop we've been given.
That and Todd runs a billion dollar toy company because he wanted to make his own Spawn toys so like there's that too
>Spawn isn't perfect, but arguably it's better than the capeslop we've been given.
Unfortunately not.
Spawn's better off because it's creator owned, but all it translated in the long term is that Todd is like a hamster in a cage that only learned to run around in that big wheel he was captive to, and despite being freed of that cage and wheel for most of his life, that's all he has learned to do and has never unlearned it.
He could have let this thing go more or less free and done crazy shit with it, but he's always breathing down any burgeoning creative team's necks and not letting anyone put their mark on it for long, bringing it to ground zero time and time again.
It's honestly a little heart breaking, not gonna lie.
>He could have let this thing go more or less free and done crazy shit with it, but he's always breathing down any burgeoning creative team's necks and not letting anyone put their mark on it for long, bringing it to ground zero time and time again.
Do you just not understand WHY Image was founded in the first place?
You're idolizing the characters instead of their creators who are the reason you idolize the character in the first place.
Why should a character outlive its creator if that's the creator's wishes?
I think manga ends up being more respectable towards their stories and characters than Westerners precisely because the author's vision isn't ruined by people constantly wanting to "expand" and "improve" their work much the same way Star Wars was bastardized into a cashcow
Then maybe Todd should drop the pretense of bringing in people to write Spawn to "let the character go elsewhere and surprise me" as he himself puts it, since he clearly just wants his take on the character to be it.
I prefer manga a whole lot more than comics but whatever Todd's doing is clearly not it. He runs it exactly like a comics operation down to the multiple monthly titles, he lets other people write it to become wildly different takes like the David Hine run, then he invariably brings it "back to basics" and so it goes.
>I think manga ends up being more respectable towards their stories and characters than Westerners precisely because the author's vision isn't ruined by people constantly wanting to "expand" and "improve" their work much the same way Star Wars was bastardized into a cashcow
anon there's still plenty of examples of manga made to just go on without the original creator as well, you're just sounding like someone who's still impressed because his goal-oriented shonen story ended.
ARE there plenty of examples? Manga wise I only know of Toriyama (essentially handing things off before he died). They decided to continue Berserk after the creator's death, so it didn't seem like a planned thing.
Even other old manga that lives to today still has full control from the original creators, like Kinnikuman and Saint Seiya.
And if the IP isn't a merchandising gold mine they seem cool with letting the story die with the creator.
Mainly comedy, but also some action like Cyborg 009 which still gets new entries, Lupin, Golgo 13, Tetsujin 28, Mazinger.
Stuff like Shin Chan, Gegege No Kitaro, Osomatsu-kun- comedy stuff lends itself well to continuous stories because there's no planned ending or ending goal.
I will grant you that these include anime adaptations, but
>And if the IP isn't a merchandising gold mine they seem cool with letting the story die with the creator.
That kinda goes without saying for anything,doesn't it? Why would they continue something if there's no interest?
None of those are continued storylines, I thought you meant something like Berserk where it's actually continuing the original fiction without the original creator.
For the opposite you have Getter Robo where they seem to be consciously choosing to NOT continue the story past the Creator's death. But they still sell toys and put it in video games and shit.
Cyborg 009 really is though.
The concluding chapter wasn't done by the original author.
>Berserk
This one's interesting because the main assistant has stated they do know where the story goes and how to end because Miura had told them but it's now a matter of doing artistic justice to it. They know where to take the story but not how to artistically depict it.
I only liked the first season of spawn
>inb4 clipwatcher
Cry about it
Todd kinda fumbled the countdown concept that made the beginning of the series so interesting because he saw it was in the way of dragging out the series eternally.
Ran for way too long cuz Toddy wants to make money. Typical American money hungry a hole.
Todd isn't American, though.
What made Spawn innovative (dynamic poses, close ups, occassionally unorthodox panel layout) became commonplace. What made Spawn cool and fun ("edge") became daemonized. Todd ran out of ideas. The series shouldn't had gone past the Apocalypse.
>What made Spawn innovative (dynamic poses, close ups, occassionally unorthodox panel layout) became commonplace
Is that why Image’s action scenes are so stiff?
From my experience modern Spawn barely has action scenes. It's usually
>Character sucker punches and one shots other character then does a cool pose (good for To Be Continues)
>Ambiguous background struggle that isn't the focus and the outcome doesn't matter.
It's so bad it's hard to tell how strong characters are even supposed to be. They are fighting planet eating bugs but seem to be street level and vulnerable to regular guns.
The most egregious thing is that he's rebooted the series like three times by now but each time it's not a clean reboot and eventually Al has to come back as Spawn, be back on earth and be back to his regular power level. Classic superhero trope yes but for an indie title that shouldn't ever have to happen. Todd can literally do what he wants here, he doesn't need to do any sales stunts like Marvel and DC
Having to kill off and never reference the sexy bikini angels because of the gaiman lawsuit is moronic and really took away part of the 90s charm of the world. Now the angels are boring generic armored dudes with wings.
hey OP have you ever read a Spawn comicbook?
Can you post your collection?
thanks in advance.
2edgy4u garbage for emotionally stunted manbabies
>Spawn
>edgy
>emotional
The edgiest it got was Al being revealed to beat wanda when he was alive, but it was more like old 70's comic melodrama domestic abuse where it's one, overly dramatic slap. It's nowhere near as edgy as, say, Doctor Light raping Sue Dibney.
>Al being revealed to beat wanda when he was alive
That was a trick a demon played on him btw. Never actually happened.
>It's nowhere near as edgy as, say, Doctor Light raping Sue Dibney
One of the earliest issues deals with a child rapist.
Queen of Hel Nyx is so cute. I want her to annihilate my soul.
As far as I know, nothing went wrong. Everyone's complaints are totally valid and I have a hard time even getting through an issue of Spawn today.
But as far as I know they still sell great and help support a toyline that's keeping a whole company afloat. They are apparently doing something right.
Nothing.
I hate that they brought Wanda back in the latest arc. Come on, let the woman rest.
It leaned more towards Superhero than theology
Yes and no. Spawn is pretty all over the place tonally and thematically following the Armageddon arc, particularly when Jim Downing became Spawn. In recent years it became more superhero-themed again when it became apparent to Image that this is what the casual reader prefers. They have the opportunity to do the more theological shit in the King Spawn book, but the main one and the Scorched spinoffs are basically like Batman and respectively X-Men.
It's complete ass. The character looks cool but that's it. I can't imagine anyone reading the book and thinking this is something they need to keep up with. Some of the best writers in comics couldn't even churn out a good Spawn story so that tells you all you need to know.
>Some of the best writers in comics couldn't even churn out a good Spawn story
Which tells you more about the effort they put in than anything else. The skeleton of this concept is solid enough. A lot of these writers simply didn't give a frick and did it for the money.
Spawn's best writing came from relatively unknown people at the time. Even Bendis' work on the Sam & Twitch and Hellspawn spinoffs was better than anything he'd put out today.
I agree. The idea sounds good on paper and Todd did an awesome job designing him but I haven't read anything at all worthwhile. Maybe I missed out. I tried that first compendium after growing up picking up the books and I barely made it through.
As far as I'm concerned, the HBO show took the elements from the comic that worked, got rid of the filler and introduced some of its own strengths to the concept. Shame they cancelled it just as Al was moving away from the basic "alleyway" arc.
It went on far too long. It was best when it was just Spawn being a miserable bum caught in a war he wanted no part in.
This. It was kinda neat watching him handle trying to help the mortals while the angels and demons fricked with him over their conflict.
From Todd's perspective, nothing. He does what he wants, makes bank, owns one of the most widely-known comic book IPs in the world outside of the big two, and doesn't have to worry about editorial oversight/mandates, deadlines, or even if the book sells because it's just a passion project for him at this point.
It's a legacy series that was a product of tryhard edginess in comic books that Todd help create during its time.
dead so soon?
Just like Al
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
McFarlane insisted on "writing" it.
Why does it seem there is a dedicated group of ass hurt Marvel fans that just seethe at Todd? Especially now where not only has Todd improved over the years but compared to the current staff in the Big two (Spider Goblin ahahahahaha!) he's Garth Ennis. Not everyone likes his shit but the people that do are quite happy.
Any news about the new film?
The one that Todd has been claiming it's on its way for like 20 years?
It's on its way.
>Todd thread
I just wanna say he has some of the sickest illustration panels I've ever seen in comics
The only thing I liked about Spawn was the TV show