It just looked boring.
I know culture war stuff will just concentrate on the lesbian kiss thing. But even before the news broke out the movie just didn't look that good or fun
People say that the lesbian kiss ruined Lightyear's chances but it was really just because Lightyear is too different a portrayal of Buzz Lightyear. People expected Star Command with Buzz played by Tim Allen and exploring different planets but got Interstellar with Buzz being his own enemy and Zurg no longer being his father. It's depressing and sad.
>hey toy story fans here's a new movie >except it's just a gritty solo movie about buzz only >except this buzz looks, acts, and sounds completely different, and the spotlight isn't even on him >you just don't get it bro this is THE MOVIE ANDY SAW THAT MADE HIM BUY THE TOY
>you just don't get it bro this is THE MOVIE ANDY SAW THAT MADE HIM BUY THE TOY
The worst framing device ever. This movie wouldn't get made at that time. This wouldn't be the plot of a kids movie. A kid wouldn't want a Buzz toy after it. It also fundamentally goes against his toy stuff aka being a corny sci-fi hero.
>you just don't get it bro this is THE MOVIE ANDY SAW THAT MADE HIM BUY THE TOY
The worst framing device ever. This movie wouldn't get made at that time. This wouldn't be the plot of a kids movie. A kid wouldn't want a Buzz toy after it. It also fundamentally goes against his toy stuff aka being a corny sci-fi hero.
I think they tried making another Monster U, but can't use Andy and the toys in an adult setting.
imo they should have picked UP2, where old man is dying and left the blimp for the kid (now adult) to inherit. Plenty of cheap drama there.
>too mature and gritty looking for kids >confusing marketing about what it was supposed to be >early reviews called it mid and were quick to reveal the awful Zurg spoiler
There, easy, now you know.
The world is tired of getting identity politics down the throat. Name a single movie based on identity politics that was a success.
Pro tip: you can't.
Black Panther was marketed as a woke movie by third party media but not by Disney and the actual content really wasn't woke either. It could have easily been a Thor movie with a few modifications or a Namor movie with essentially zero changes.
Throw in a decent actor and trading on the Marvel name at the summit of it's power and it's no wonder the movie was a hit.
The villain is literally an African American who wallows in victimhood, letting his hate and resentment for the past fuel his desire to burn everything to the ground. It's the ugliest side of black culture in the West.
The good guys are literally a fictional African nation that stays outta shit and ultimately decides to share some of their future tech with the world.
I'm noticing that a lot of people (on Cinemaphile especially) are calling anything with black people in it "woke" as some kind of gotcha, I ESPECIALLY see it when it comes to an anime having a dark-skinned or black person in it (my favorite being when someone tried to call an anime that takes place in fricking America woke for having black people in it).
Do they not realize that most of us hate gay people, trannies, and basically all other forms of woke pandering or are they just being stupid on purpose?
Hell, fricking watch your typical black movie and it's about as politically incorrect and non-woke as you can get (outside of hacks like Jordan Peele with his white wife and white mommy).
Believe it or not, white supremacists are not the only people on the planet who dislike what people refer to as "woke" media.
We are not your bedfellows.
>I would say a woke movie would be A Wrinkle in Time.
I would agree with that, A Wrinkle in Time was absolutely woke in addition to being awful.
But the current standard where people try to say "this movie that takes place in Africa has black people in it, so it's woke, GOTCHA!" or "this show had a moment where a woman outperformed the male lead protecting her, that makes it just as woke as a show where the male leads are all morons!" or "this anime from the 90s had two hot chicks make out while naked in it, so it's just as woke as two bulldykes sharing a boring kiss while completely clothed," is starting to get too moronic even by modern Cinemaphile standards.
Like holy frick, these levels of disingenuousness are so blatant that they may as well not even bother posting since everyone with a room-temp IQ can see right through them.
Neither Black Panther nor Shang-Chi are woke. They're pretty basic superhero flicks. Turning Red isn't woke imo. Nothing Illumination puts out is woke. The Owl House is borderline woke.
I would actually argue Cars 3 of all shit is woke though since what was marketed as the protagonist's recovery and rebound into racing was actually about passing the torch to a new "spicy" female character. What a dumb decision for a 98% male franchise to promote a female character to the primary hero/winner.
Baymax (series) sounds woke, and I refuse to support that. It was bold and new ground to have Turning Red bring up menstruation, but this just seems like oneupsmanship. Really, a transgender man buying and recommending pads. The transgender man seriously passes and honestly given how the series was targeted at youth this is going to confuse the shit out of prepubescent boys.
The villain is literally an African American who wallows in victimhood, letting his hate and resentment for the past fuel his desire to burn everything to the ground. It's the ugliest side of black culture in the West.
The good guys are literally a fictional African nation that stays outta shit and ultimately decides to share some of their future tech with the world.
BP panders to american blacks but I can't remember any idpol there except Shuri calling the wounded guy "colonizer".
I haven't watched Black Panther but from what I understand it would make sense for Shuri to call someone a colonizer if one of the tenants of their society is how they keep to themselves.
The new animation industry which is not only not merit-based, it is actively opposed to merit. Most likely Los Angeles studios are completely unsalvageable... and they don't deserve to be salvaged, they couldn't even do a sequel to Toy Story remotely correctly
Nobody wanted this. If you want to make "the movie that the buzz toy is based on", nobody wanted it to be a weird serious gritty movie starring a bunch of humans.
Disney has stopped in time, they have not evolved in animation and have lost touch with their audience, the people who work there, Pixar, Star Wars and MCU don't have much artistic talent, everything is very ugly and uninspired because they only hire people that align with their woke mentality and the real artists are left out, so expect another decade of bad productions.
>Disney has stopped in time, they have not evolved in animation and have lost touch with their audience, the people who work there, Pixar, Star Wars and MCU don't have much artistic talent
God, this.
Pixar's animation is no longer impressive or interesting and their stories nowadays are often really fricking boring for shit supposedly aimed at kids.
Star Wars has fricking awful choreography and action scenes outside of a handful, which would be fine if all modern Star Wars shit didn't focus HEAVILY on the action (not that it matters since the Star Wars "fandom" is more like a cult than a fandom nowadays).
The MCU has pretty much always been big dumb CGIfests, but now they're bigger, dumber, and in some cases (looking at you Black Widow) the CGI fricking sucks ass. Not to mention they're focusing way too much on all these crappy TV shows. They had like one and a half good shows and everything after has just been the definition of meh.
WDAS is the most woke. Everything they have put out since they made Jennifer Lee CCO is woke garbage. Raya was supposed to be woke, Baymax is unnecessarily woke, and Strange World is suicidally woke. Encanto skirts the line with only three of the eight descendants being male and a lot of black people in a place with very few of them.
What I would call woke is unnecessarily promoting female/Black/queer characters. It's woke to make a female the lead in a series when she isn't even related to the preexisting characters. It's woke to change the race of characters because you felt they were "too white". It's woke for a kids' story to be about how colonialism is evil. It's woke to have a black man in fricking 19th century Norway. It's woke to have most of the leaders/warriors be female in a world with a 50/50 gender split (so not Wonder Woman).
Being woke is pretty much leftist virtue signalling.
>Try to appeal to everyone
>Fail and appeal to no one
More like
>try to appeal to gays and trannies
>appeal to only gays and trannies
Sodomy
Pixar forgot how to make enjoyable movies
It just looked boring.
I know culture war stuff will just concentrate on the lesbian kiss thing. But even before the news broke out the movie just didn't look that good or fun
People say that the lesbian kiss ruined Lightyear's chances but it was really just because Lightyear is too different a portrayal of Buzz Lightyear. People expected Star Command with Buzz played by Tim Allen and exploring different planets but got Interstellar with Buzz being his own enemy and Zurg no longer being his father. It's depressing and sad.
>Lost over $200 million
OH NO NO NO
>hey toy story fans here's a new movie
>except it's just a gritty solo movie about buzz only
>except this buzz looks, acts, and sounds completely different, and the spotlight isn't even on him
>you just don't get it bro this is THE MOVIE ANDY SAW THAT MADE HIM BUY THE TOY
>you just don't get it bro this is THE MOVIE ANDY SAW THAT MADE HIM BUY THE TOY
The worst framing device ever. This movie wouldn't get made at that time. This wouldn't be the plot of a kids movie. A kid wouldn't want a Buzz toy after it. It also fundamentally goes against his toy stuff aka being a corny sci-fi hero.
I think they tried making another Monster U, but can't use Andy and the toys in an adult setting.
imo they should have picked UP2, where old man is dying and left the blimp for the kid (now adult) to inherit. Plenty of cheap drama there.
ANDY DIDN'T EVEN BUY THE TOY
HIS MOM BOUGHT IT FOR HIM AS A BIRTHDAY PRESENT
They should've said said it was a reboot of the Buzz Lightyear franchise, which is pretty much what it was really.
>too mature and gritty looking for kids
>confusing marketing about what it was supposed to be
>early reviews called it mid and were quick to reveal the awful Zurg spoiler
There, easy, now you know.
The world is tired of getting identity politics down the throat. Name a single movie based on identity politics that was a success.
Pro tip: you can't.
Black Panther
Black Panther was marketed as a woke movie by third party media but not by Disney and the actual content really wasn't woke either. It could have easily been a Thor movie with a few modifications or a Namor movie with essentially zero changes.
Throw in a decent actor and trading on the Marvel name at the summit of it's power and it's no wonder the movie was a hit.
no aliens
nothing like the cartoon
>black panther
it was the opposite of woke. it was right wing propaganda. pic reated
BP isn't woke and doesn't praise IDPOL.
The villain is literally an African American who wallows in victimhood, letting his hate and resentment for the past fuel his desire to burn everything to the ground. It's the ugliest side of black culture in the West.
The good guys are literally a fictional African nation that stays outta shit and ultimately decides to share some of their future tech with the world.
I'm noticing that a lot of people (on Cinemaphile especially) are calling anything with black people in it "woke" as some kind of gotcha, I ESPECIALLY see it when it comes to an anime having a dark-skinned or black person in it (my favorite being when someone tried to call an anime that takes place in fricking America woke for having black people in it).
Do they not realize that most of us hate gay people, trannies, and basically all other forms of woke pandering or are they just being stupid on purpose?
Hell, fricking watch your typical black movie and it's about as politically incorrect and non-woke as you can get (outside of hacks like Jordan Peele with his white wife and white mommy).
Believe it or not, white supremacists are not the only people on the planet who dislike what people refer to as "woke" media.
We are not your bedfellows.
We need a consensus on what is and isn't a woke movie. I would say a woke movie would be A Wrinkle in Time.
>I would say a woke movie would be A Wrinkle in Time.
I would agree with that, A Wrinkle in Time was absolutely woke in addition to being awful.
But the current standard where people try to say "this movie that takes place in Africa has black people in it, so it's woke, GOTCHA!" or "this show had a moment where a woman outperformed the male lead protecting her, that makes it just as woke as a show where the male leads are all morons!" or "this anime from the 90s had two hot chicks make out while naked in it, so it's just as woke as two bulldykes sharing a boring kiss while completely clothed," is starting to get too moronic even by modern Cinemaphile standards.
Like holy frick, these levels of disingenuousness are so blatant that they may as well not even bother posting since everyone with a room-temp IQ can see right through them.
Neither Black Panther nor Shang-Chi are woke. They're pretty basic superhero flicks. Turning Red isn't woke imo. Nothing Illumination puts out is woke. The Owl House is borderline woke.
I would actually argue Cars 3 of all shit is woke though since what was marketed as the protagonist's recovery and rebound into racing was actually about passing the torch to a new "spicy" female character. What a dumb decision for a 98% male franchise to promote a female character to the primary hero/winner.
Baymax (series) sounds woke, and I refuse to support that. It was bold and new ground to have Turning Red bring up menstruation, but this just seems like oneupsmanship. Really, a transgender man buying and recommending pads. The transgender man seriously passes and honestly given how the series was targeted at youth this is going to confuse the shit out of prepubescent boys.
BP panders to american blacks but I can't remember any idpol there except Shuri calling the wounded guy "colonizer".
That was just bants
I haven't watched Black Panther but from what I understand it would make sense for Shuri to call someone a colonizer if one of the tenants of their society is how they keep to themselves.
Was it a fun movie? That's what kids want.
>Was it a fun movie?
IDK, i didn't watch it
How is it woke? It shows even super advanced black people as fricking savages who decide leadership by a fist fight
The new animation industry which is not only not merit-based, it is actively opposed to merit. Most likely Los Angeles studios are completely unsalvageable... and they don't deserve to be salvaged, they couldn't even do a sequel to Toy Story remotely correctly
Nobody wanted this. If you want to make "the movie that the buzz toy is based on", nobody wanted it to be a weird serious gritty movie starring a bunch of humans.
Went woke and gone broke
It was a shit movie, but culture war obsessed morons will have you believe its solely because of the kiss.
Too gritty for kids. To cartoony for adults.
Too white.
A severe lack of THE CLAW
Disney has stopped in time, they have not evolved in animation and have lost touch with their audience, the people who work there, Pixar, Star Wars and MCU don't have much artistic talent, everything is very ugly and uninspired because they only hire people that align with their woke mentality and the real artists are left out, so expect another decade of bad productions.
>Disney has stopped in time, they have not evolved in animation and have lost touch with their audience, the people who work there, Pixar, Star Wars and MCU don't have much artistic talent
God, this.
Pixar's animation is no longer impressive or interesting and their stories nowadays are often really fricking boring for shit supposedly aimed at kids.
Star Wars has fricking awful choreography and action scenes outside of a handful, which would be fine if all modern Star Wars shit didn't focus HEAVILY on the action (not that it matters since the Star Wars "fandom" is more like a cult than a fandom nowadays).
The MCU has pretty much always been big dumb CGIfests, but now they're bigger, dumber, and in some cases (looking at you Black Widow) the CGI fricking sucks ass. Not to mention they're focusing way too much on all these crappy TV shows. They had like one and a half good shows and everything after has just been the definition of meh.
WDAS is the most woke. Everything they have put out since they made Jennifer Lee CCO is woke garbage. Raya was supposed to be woke, Baymax is unnecessarily woke, and Strange World is suicidally woke. Encanto skirts the line with only three of the eight descendants being male and a lot of black people in a place with very few of them.
Kids dont want to watch it. And thus Parents ain't taking their kids to watch it.
ugly and gay
What I would call woke is unnecessarily promoting female/Black/queer characters. It's woke to make a female the lead in a series when she isn't even related to the preexisting characters. It's woke to change the race of characters because you felt they were "too white". It's woke for a kids' story to be about how colonialism is evil. It's woke to have a black man in fricking 19th century Norway. It's woke to have most of the leaders/warriors be female in a world with a 50/50 gender split (so not Wonder Woman).
Being woke is pretty much leftist virtue signalling.