>blames marketing
Funny cope, as someone who got hounded with marketing for Lightyear, Strange World, and Elemental go frick yourself.
Encanto barley had any marketing and still did well and wasn't a shit movie
>make a movie with gays and zero marketing
I'm sorry what the frick are you talking about? Lightyear had a shit ton of marketing hell I still see left over marketing shit at my grocery stores. Unless you're referring to Strange World which had over 200 Million dollars in marketing.
>make a movie with gays
If they made movie with ATTRACTIVE gays, it probably wouldn't have flopped so hard. They put a fat zoomer uggo as their main character. who the frick is the audience for that? Japanese animation has literally no problem appealing to Fujos. When will Westoids learn?
I don't think I ever saw such dissonance between concept and final product as this shit [...] guess the 3d team is filled with diversity hire trash picked from calarts
They almost always go for the worse/ more boring/safe design vs concept
Hardly. Since the people in the West that uphold queerness as a mark of moral and political virtue also hate anime for being sexist and objectifying and what not.
But what they do in Japan ahen they write in queers in manga, anime, video games, etc. is making them attractive, which for Western liberal ideologues is an offense in itself.
>Hardly. Since the people in the West that uphold queerness as a mark of moral and political virtue also hate anime for being sexist and objectifying and what not.
What does that have to do with Japan's love for the LGBT? Just because some westerners don't agree with the way anime goes about it doesn't stop Japan from filling their cartoons with crossdressers, transsexuals and pedophiles.
And, even if we're to ignore Japan's joyful gayness and focus on the west as you seem so desperate to do, it must be said that "the West that uphold queerness as a mark of moral and political virtue" can't hate it that much, since they all have anime avatars.
Not that anon, but as a long-time anime fan who has dug into a lot of Western fandoms, yes, there's criticism and b***hing about the way some anime/manga approach LBGT topics and characters, but--and this is the most important thing--there is still so much freedom in the anime/manga industries to show LBGT characters actually living their lives and being treated like people with genuine feelings and desires. That's something that mainstream comics/cartoons in the West really struggle with, but that seems to be changing since we have had shows like The Owl House, Stephen Universe, and the new She-Ra.
Also, it seems like most of the complaints come from straight people, i.e. "allies", while actual LBGT types tend to be more nuanced in their critiques and may just be picky at worse which is fine.
The water dude is a whiny weak loser, so its still culture war stuff. Pixar seems to have forgotten that the main consumers of romance stories are women, you have to give them the handsome shirtless bad boys or they won't watch your flick..
Its interracial and 99% of humanity spurns that. Your neighbor might not say it but if he could euthanize a mutt and toss the corpse into dogfeed he would.
>Oh shit, the guy who texture the character models quit! what do we do? >I know! >*copy/paste Houdini water sim* >*copy/paste Houdini fire sim*
Amazing
Should of just been a short and the elements theme is pretty generic.
Also >Ember was "the dream" but she felt pressed about taking the family business even though the Dad knew her glassmaking skill >Crying Game >Questionable Morals: Instead of promising to fix the safety hazards I'll just be your free detective to fix the city's issue >Element City >Half baked world building (the fence)
The fence was probably just a gag, but it does raise questions in a worldbuilding perspective. I haven't seen the movie and I'm probably not going to but from that fence could It be implied since air, fire, and water people can pass easily through it earth people can't? Are there literally barriers to keep certain elemental races out of other areas because of racism?
>The fence was probably just a gag
The problem is that the entire city is a fricking gag. Fricking Bee Movie has better worldbuilding than Elemental.
>Bees have wings! Why do they need cars or stairs?
Because they say in the movie that constantly flying is exhausting for them.
>What is their power source? How do they get TVs working?
Honey works for everything. They use it for power, for eating, for gasoline, for medical transfusions. That's a funny gag because even though we obviously know honey doesn't have those properties, it works for cartoon bees who just make honey all day. It makes cartoon sense that it's just the greatest source of everything ever for them.
Elemental's city is fricking pathetic. Why does the fire store have fricking water pipes? Why is only some water sentient and most of it is not? How does a fire lady cry? I'm not asking for logic for obviously cartoon things like, "How does fire have a baby", but if they're going to introduce the concept of a city of living elements, at least have their environment make sense. A fire store using fricking water-based plumbing-- something we know the fire people can't even touch without injuring them-- is the most baffling shit. Who is using fricking water in that town?
Fire elements would have been forced to wear fire protective suits when they go out long ago, since Ember seems to just casually destroy things when she is out with Wade--and it's played for laughs.
Their worldbuilding is nonexistent, as they didn't even put thought into the city and how their elements would interact with it. They just modeled it after a typical real-life city and said yep that's good enough.
>what if we did Woody/Buzz, Marlin/Dory, WALL-E/EVE, Ed/Russell, Merida/Queen Elinor, Joy/Sadness, Arlo/Spot, Miguel/Hector, Joe/22 - but this time, it's Fire/Water?
>can make characters look like anything because they're elements >make them generic humanish looking things >can make elemental culture/thoughts/cities anything because they're elements >make it all a generic modern looking human city
He's made one film, one that was stuck in production hell for years before he arrive. It's still watchable, anything involving bad luck is gold, it's just the good luck world that's boring.
I predicted that the water character was going to be a caricature of a fat doofy white guy and the tiny flame person was going to be a “spicy Asian” and I was right
Elementals is just boring
The setting is just a literal "what if x had feelings" idea with no interesting twist, complete with a quirky city that doesn't offer anything special.
The plot is your average "forbbiden love" story, Wade and Ember barely have any chemistry together and their relationship doesn't even seem to be that shocking for people for something that's supposed to be not natural in their world.
In the visual front, it continues the problem with Pixar in that they mix ultra detailed realistic textures with overly cartoony bodies, so it comes as distracting and even ugly at times, specially when there's people that are just clumps of molded dirt
>their relationship doesn't even seem to be that shocking for people for something that's supposed to be not natural in their world
^this
figured fire dad would have murderous rage at water boy for trying to frick his daughter but instead he was just feeding him spicy food in the trailer
>make a movie with gays
>it flops
>make a movie about a straight romance
>it flops
They just can't win
>Interracial.
>make a movie with gays and zero marketing
>it flops
>make a movie about a straight romance and the regular pixar shill marketing
>it flops
ftfy
>blames marketing
Funny cope, as someone who got hounded with marketing for Lightyear, Strange World, and Elemental go frick yourself.
Encanto barley had any marketing and still did well and wasn't a shit movie
Elemental had marketing? I didn’t hear a damn thing about it at all save a theater poster.
It’s like they wanted it to fly under the radar.
>make a movie with gays and zero marketing
I'm sorry what the frick are you talking about? Lightyear had a shit ton of marketing hell I still see left over marketing shit at my grocery stores. Unless you're referring to Strange World which had over 200 Million dollars in marketing.
>>make a movie with gays
Pixar had a gay movie?
anons love to mix Pixar with Disney, as the ones in charge are pretty much the same people.
Disney and Pixar and pretty much the same and I am tired of pretending they are not. You think of Pixar you think of Disney
It would have succeeded had the romance not been interracial
>make a movie with gays
If they made movie with ATTRACTIVE gays, it probably wouldn't have flopped so hard. They put a fat zoomer uggo as their main character. who the frick is the audience for that? Japanese animation has literally no problem appealing to Fujos. When will Westoids learn?
>If they made movie with ATTRACTIVE gays
The main character was attractive, yet they butchered the desing at translating it into 3D.
This is such a step up from what they put in....
fricking grubhub looking motherfricker
I don't think I ever saw such dissonance between concept and final product as this shit
guess the 3d team is filled with diversity hire trash picked from calarts
They almost always go for the worse/ more boring/safe design vs concept
>Face of the dad in the background
>”My son, the town bussy”
What a fricking tragedy
Wouldn't have saved the movie tho
Gay people have no standards. This isn't attractive, it's obnoxious and unlikeable.
gay people want to frick anime protagonists
the execs that have the final say in what these characters should look like are the most creatively bankrupt people on the planet.
Japan was the original home of the LGBT animation fan, so they've got decades of goodwill with the queer community.
Hardly. Since the people in the West that uphold queerness as a mark of moral and political virtue also hate anime for being sexist and objectifying and what not.
But what they do in Japan ahen they write in queers in manga, anime, video games, etc. is making them attractive, which for Western liberal ideologues is an offense in itself.
Delusional.
>Hardly. Since the people in the West that uphold queerness as a mark of moral and political virtue also hate anime for being sexist and objectifying and what not.
What does that have to do with Japan's love for the LGBT? Just because some westerners don't agree with the way anime goes about it doesn't stop Japan from filling their cartoons with crossdressers, transsexuals and pedophiles.
And, even if we're to ignore Japan's joyful gayness and focus on the west as you seem so desperate to do, it must be said that "the West that uphold queerness as a mark of moral and political virtue" can't hate it that much, since they all have anime avatars.
Not that anon, but as a long-time anime fan who has dug into a lot of Western fandoms, yes, there's criticism and b***hing about the way some anime/manga approach LBGT topics and characters, but--and this is the most important thing--there is still so much freedom in the anime/manga industries to show LBGT characters actually living their lives and being treated like people with genuine feelings and desires. That's something that mainstream comics/cartoons in the West really struggle with, but that seems to be changing since we have had shows like The Owl House, Stephen Universe, and the new She-Ra.
Also, it seems like most of the complaints come from straight people, i.e. "allies", while actual LBGT types tend to be more nuanced in their critiques and may just be picky at worse which is fine.
>make a movie about a straight romance
>male is a literal crybaby beta
Wow I wonder how that could be such a problem
>make a movie with gays
Where?
Exactly. Nobody remembers Strange World
Thats not Pixar just Disney
No difference now.
Did that even have a gay romance? I saw next to no marketing for it, not even angry anti marketing
It wasn't the gays. It was the garbage movie premise, the plot, and the fact that the character designs are all ugly, big nose mutants.
Somehow does worse then new little mermaid.
How?
Gays
But mermaid had ugly live action animals, and black people, and not even full versions of BEST songs and scenes from original.
How does it work? Shouldn't they get the same bad rating?
Conclusion:The culture war isn't why Pixar is flopping. It's because their movies are uninspired
The water dude is a whiny weak loser, so its still culture war stuff. Pixar seems to have forgotten that the main consumers of romance stories are women, you have to give them the handsome shirtless bad boys or they won't watch your flick..
>The water dude is a whiny weak loser, so its still culture war stuff
You're right, whiny loser male characters only exist because culture wars
Whiny loser male characters were incredibly rare in romance stories, especially as love interests.
Its interracial and 99% of humanity spurns that. Your neighbor might not say it but if he could euthanize a mutt and toss the corpse into dogfeed he would.
>99% of humanity
sex tourism
Bad marketing, I necer even heard of the film outside of some anons talking how it'll "destroy the squid movie"
I don't get it. Why are male main characters sissified gays and why are they more common now?
It follows the demographic of the chubby beta millennial males who are going to pay money for this drivel
>7
Hold on, let's wait till 30.
It just looks fricking boring; it looks like a tech demo.
>Oh shit, the guy who texture the character models quit! what do we do?
>I know!
>*copy/paste Houdini water sim*
>*copy/paste Houdini fire sim*
Amazing
Should of just been a short and the elements theme is pretty generic.
Also
>Ember was "the dream" but she felt pressed about taking the family business even though the Dad knew her glassmaking skill
>Crying Game
>Questionable Morals: Instead of promising to fix the safety hazards I'll just be your free detective to fix the city's issue
>Element City
>Half baked world building (the fence)
The fence was probably just a gag, but it does raise questions in a worldbuilding perspective. I haven't seen the movie and I'm probably not going to but from that fence could It be implied since air, fire, and water people can pass easily through it earth people can't? Are there literally barriers to keep certain elemental races out of other areas because of racism?
>The fence was probably just a gag
The problem is that the entire city is a fricking gag. Fricking Bee Movie has better worldbuilding than Elemental.
>Bees have wings! Why do they need cars or stairs?
Because they say in the movie that constantly flying is exhausting for them.
>What is their power source? How do they get TVs working?
Honey works for everything. They use it for power, for eating, for gasoline, for medical transfusions. That's a funny gag because even though we obviously know honey doesn't have those properties, it works for cartoon bees who just make honey all day. It makes cartoon sense that it's just the greatest source of everything ever for them.
Elemental's city is fricking pathetic. Why does the fire store have fricking water pipes? Why is only some water sentient and most of it is not? How does a fire lady cry? I'm not asking for logic for obviously cartoon things like, "How does fire have a baby", but if they're going to introduce the concept of a city of living elements, at least have their environment make sense. A fire store using fricking water-based plumbing-- something we know the fire people can't even touch without injuring them-- is the most baffling shit. Who is using fricking water in that town?
>Who is using fricking water in that town
Earth people, they have plants growing on them which require water to live. And air.
Why are Earth people living in Fire Town?
Fire elements would have been forced to wear fire protective suits when they go out long ago, since Ember seems to just casually destroy things when she is out with Wade--and it's played for laughs.
Their worldbuilding is nonexistent, as they didn't even put thought into the city and how their elements would interact with it. They just modeled it after a typical real-life city and said yep that's good enough.
>Should of
post discarded
Nobody wanted a modern Romeo & Juliet with different elements.
I liked The Sea Prince and the Fire Child.
it's a romantic comedy, guys watching this are going to think it's shit regardless of how it looks
>what if we did Woody/Buzz, Marlin/Dory, WALL-E/EVE, Ed/Russell, Merida/Queen Elinor, Joy/Sadness, Arlo/Spot, Miguel/Hector, Joe/22 - but this time, it's Fire/Water?
>can make characters look like anything because they're elements
>make them generic humanish looking things
>can make elemental culture/thoughts/cities anything because they're elements
>make it all a generic modern looking human city
Elemental feels like a movie that should've existed 10 years ago but it's too late now...
Forgot that innovation and experimentation was what made them successful. Also John Lasseter not being on quality control doesn't help.
Lasseter got ideas polished up. Now everything is fricked half baked
lasseter has only produced crap since he left
even putting aside aesthetics, this is a bad character design. i don't know anything about this loser just by looking at him
He's made one film, one that was stuck in production hell for years before he arrive. It's still watchable, anything involving bad luck is gold, it's just the good luck world that's boring.
Lasseter’s “quality control” sure did wonders for Luck, didn’t it. Movies are always a team effort, anon.
Rotten tomatoes is a terrible way to judge a movie. Even after a hundred reviews it still is a bad system.
what if x had feeling isnt cutting it anymore
>Elements can't mix even though they can
>Fire+Water=Cloud/Earth
>Cloud+Cloud=Water
>Cloud+Earth=Fire
>Cloud+Earth=Fire
What?
I guess he thinks cloud makes lightning strikes the earth makes fire.
You got it.
what kind of alchemy is this?
Physics
It seems like a less interesting retread of Zootopia
i thought people stopped trusting critics after they gave the mario movie a worse score than the fricking sonic movies
criticism only counts when I agree with them
I stopped trusting them after The Force Awakens but no one listened to me. No one listens to old Roger, oh no.
But The Force Awakens is a decent movie
Yeah because it was a redo of a very good movie.
No, you absolute moron, you uncultured swine, you salubrious reject.
Elemental is the kind of movie that would've been a short in front of an actual Pixar movie if it was made years ago.
They forgot people watch movies to be entertained, not to be preached at.
I predicted that the water character was going to be a caricature of a fat doofy white guy and the tiny flame person was going to be a “spicy Asian” and I was right
The water guy is clearly black coded tho
and black male/asian female is hot
>clearly black coded
How?
He reminds me of my constantly high roommate back in college
He grew up without a Father
Maybe because it's the least creative movie od the decade? Fricking emoji movie was more inventive than this shit.
Elementals is just boring
The setting is just a literal "what if x had feelings" idea with no interesting twist, complete with a quirky city that doesn't offer anything special.
The plot is your average "forbbiden love" story, Wade and Ember barely have any chemistry together and their relationship doesn't even seem to be that shocking for people for something that's supposed to be not natural in their world.
In the visual front, it continues the problem with Pixar in that they mix ultra detailed realistic textures with overly cartoony bodies, so it comes as distracting and even ugly at times, specially when there's people that are just clumps of molded dirt
>their relationship doesn't even seem to be that shocking for people for something that's supposed to be not natural in their world
^this
figured fire dad would have murderous rage at water boy for trying to frick his daughter but instead he was just feeding him spicy food in the trailer
>but instead he was just feeding him spicy food in the trailer
Wasn't the point of that to hurt him?
Gen X artists & writers retired, millineal artists & writers took over.
>it's a generational thing... ignore all the jeets / nogs / trannies we are hiring for our writing staff!
that's part of generations dipshit
Luca was good
>just zootopia again
billion dollar company btw
Zootopia had care put into it, someone actually spent timing thinking about how a city with mixed animals would have to function.