The mystery in the minds of the fans was more interesting than the mystery that was in the mind of the writers. Then they made seasons 2 and 3 with just nothing left but angst.
>does anyone give a frick about it?
So many people had no clue S4 had just premiered. I tried to make a couple threads and they immediately sank. The show is dead to normies and to everyone else I think they realized that nothing matters and the characters are either in a park (Dolores) or in a simulation (Maeve, et al) so unironically nothing matters.
After Man in Black was killed and became a toaster after last season that's all the show is now. It's bots trying to out-bot other bots in a post-human world and that's impossible to care about.
Yeah, only I was apparently wrong about the real world being a simulation. Maeve is just ridiculously OP even outside the park.
ford made her op , he and Arnold are redditors 40 years from now making their waifus , tho im quite sure fords autism he had public arguments on twitter and reddit and true thoughts here .
Very little. It's not flawless but all of it is good and worth watching
It shouldn't have have been expected to stay contained to the park and the smaller premise for more than a couple seasons
>all of it is good and worth watching
Is that why literally everybody (including critics, not just shitposters) says it's progressively getting worse and worse, with only season 1 being truly good?
cause it didnt need to continue after season 1 it only did cause hbo wanted to make more money off of it, season 1 was a great self contained story and should have stayed that way
>military research (espionage angle; blackmail device using in-park actions) nominally for extended space missions >state sponsored industrial espionage >aim: totally contrived, predictable and streamlined political theater with passable robots >non-state actor 5th column already operationally deploying them, and subject of counterintel investigation by military >Hopkins' character adds the Paradise Lost failsafe in the AI to prevent a world where mankind is being shepherded around by some cabal's mannequins
S01 = Westworld - the A-plot is William meeting Delores and having adventures while the B-plot is Man in Black being a dick to everybody, with the viewers not knowing William and MiB are the same character until S05.
S02 = Indiaworld - hottie British chick has adventures hunting tigers and stuff while investigating Thuggee cultists and Russian spies in the midst of the Great Game.
S03 = Samuraiworld - older samurai veteran who viewers think is a robot and young apprentice who they think is a human guest having various adventures, with the viewers not finding out until the end that the older guy is actually the human and the apprentice is a robot, who kills the human guest.
S04 = Romanworld - guy sentenced to death as a gladiator fights his way free and launches a revolt to rescue a cutie slave girl, with the viewers discovering in the end that he’s a robot and she’s a guest.
S05 = All The Parks - the robot rebellion happens and guests are being slaughtered as various characters (some robots, some humans) from the earlier seasons interact in all the parks (i.e. cowboys in Japan, Romans in the British Raj, etc.) as viewers discover the setting is a huge asteroid, some of the humans (or are they?) escape while the robots launch the asteroid off into deep space to do who knows what.
And during each of the seasons, we have a separate storyline playing out in the park’s HQ / Lab that are all actually running sequentially and this takes us step-by-step into the robot rebellion in S05.
The End.
>Afghanistan World for enhanced interrogation and monitoring in a 'low security' environment; detainees knocked out and wake up in facsimile environment, spilling beans to their 'cell mates'
You had JJ Abrams involved, to start. Then there's the 'mystery box' cop out for being narratively rudderless, and without a grasp of the big picture archetypal elements you're juggling with, much less how their egregores are manifest in the world (and the audience) or how to leverage and manipulate that into dramatic form.
Thoe anons from the other thread were right. This should have been an episodic type of fantasy island with a western theme. Every guest gets their own adventure. Some act like heroes and some act like villains, and some seem like they're going one way until they get an easy opportunity to break the heart of the audience by just randomly going the other direction.
It would have even been fine if they left in Shogun World and Colonial India World but what they've done with it feels like they used the original concept as a wedge to get their foot in the door and do the show they really wanted, which isn't what the public wanted.
I think you're being too generous by assuming there was actually something they wanted. I think this is some team's lazy homework assignment that they had no inspiration for and basically just crank out for a paycheck.
Have you ever watched the original movies? Genuinely curious. Because it ends with the robots murdering everyone but the protag, and the second movie is the execs covering it up and replacing influential people with robots. They didn't bait and switch the original concept, they expanded upon it.
But that's what I'm saying. Westworld and Futureworld were never just meant to be on the surface "humans go pewpew in robo park adventures!!" like so many in this thread are acting like the "real concept" was.
>wasn't planned in advance
This is how american tv works. Someone plans out an idea for 1 season. They do it, it's great, and then it's over, but there's still hype and demand for more by fans.
So they call in some new writers to keep it going because it's making lots of money, but they have no fricking idea what to do with the material.
So you end up with shit like westworld, or stranger things, or game of thrones, or true detective, or fargo etc that just keeps on bloody going after it's died.
But even season 1 of WW was an accident. The whole season was a build-up for something that didn't pay off. The writers just lacked the awareness of the corner they painted themselves into.
>This is how american tv works.
You have no idea what you're posting about. The shows you mentioned are "prestige cable" type shows and are famous for being nothing like "American TV". True Detective and Fargo are these hybrid anthology series ffs. It's like stringing mini-series together in the same world. That's not how "American TV works".
One episode has dropped, and maybe a second will appear today later I guess.
At the moment it still just seems like the same kind of fuming edgy buttholes as last season.
They tried to make something highbrow out of slasher movie about LARP robots.
The only good idea they had is to treat creation of people as a form of art, and it's gone.
HBO are not in the habit of cancelling their flagship shows. they could be hemorrhaging cash with Westworld (I don't believe they are), and they still wouldn't cancel it.
They tried to make something highbrow out of slasher movie about LARP robots.
The only good idea they had is to treat creation of people as a form of art, and it's gone.
one plot has a lot of potential (they brought back S1 Dolores and Teddy, Clementine is part of the cast), the other plot is more of the same, a continuation of S3 (Caleb and Maeve fighting some kind of war). if they manage to keep them relatively separated, there's potential for very good episodes.
They will cancel anything that's expensive to make and doesn't get enough hype/views. They cancelled Raised by Wolves for this reason, and it's such a shame because the second season was so great. I'm terrified that they will do the same to Westworld because normies haven't been too keen on the last couple of seasons.
>Raised by Wolves
it wasn't even on HBO, just on the streaming service. Westworld is the current flagship show of the network, now that GOT is over, and there's only one season left. HBO lives on prestige, they wouldn't cancel it because of money, only because of some major studio drama, like divergence with the creators and that doesn't seem likely at this point.
I'm not sure what the frick you're babbling. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're coping about the very real possibility of the plug being pulled.
Speaking of HBO Max and the plug being pulled, in the past few days they made several original series (including at least one non-English series currently in production), a few garbage animated shows, and some first-party movies unavailable seemingly at random with no prior notice and because of vague but Zaslav-related reasons. Zero word of that in English-language MSM so far.
>HBO are not in the habit of cancelling their flagship shows.
They will cancel anything that's expensive to make and doesn't get enough hype/views. They cancelled Raised by Wolves for this reason, and it's such a shame because the second season was so great. I'm terrified that they will do the same to Westworld because normies haven't been too keen on the last couple of seasons.
>They will cancel anything that's expensive to make and doesn't get enough hype/views.
They're burying Westworld. It's clear they are skimping on a lot of the CGI and filming locations. There was ZERO promotion for this season. I'm guessing they gave Joy/Nolan a 5-season contract during S1 just as #MeToo was kicking off as a way of bribing the barbarians at the gates, then realized what they bought (Lisa Joy's nonsensical gyno-technical fanfic) and are riding it out.
And that's the biggest red flag for me. I felt like they didn't even try to make any hype over its release. If I wasn't a fan I wouldn't know at all. It was the EXACT same with the now cancelled Raised by Wolves, where I didn't even get a youtube suggestion with the trailer, and I only found out it released after 2 months because I searched it manually.
Feminism. At the height of the #metoo movement Johnathan Nolan left the reigns of the show to his his wife. Season 1 was pure Kino. This show could have been one of the greats but instead a woman took this in a direction filled with agenda a feminism instead of focusing on narrative, story, character development.
Women ruined this anon, that's a fact.
>make show >turn it shitty by doing terrible female empowerment shit >complain that it's not "meant for you" >continue to lose audience male audience
huh
This show was always trash but I'm baffled by all the comments about the recent season. "What happened to this show? Season 1 was so good".
Kek no it wasn't. It was always trash. Same trash writing. Same trash jj abrams nolan mystery box bullshit. This garbage was always about pushing woke politics and nothing else (reminder this show costs more to make than GoT). I was already saying this in 2016 but nobody was listening. They were too busy memeing about shrink rays. Just because something has Anthony Hopkins, doesn't make it already good (see: Red Dragon). Never forget that.
This anon speaks the truth. S1 was already a mediocre Nolan tier shit. If you were able to sit trough the negress robot scenes with two idiots giving her god mode for no reason whatsoever, and you didn't think for a moment this show is moronic, nothing can help you.
>this potentially dangerous robot just woke up >she can kill us both >what do we do? >hand me that remore control with the off switch >oh, ah, ms. crazy robot... would you like to have superpowers?
If you weren't bothered with that, you are the fricking NPC here.
I always thought that this was part of Fords script and that maybe only dolores was truly sentient. And that maybe the two idiots were also robots programmed by ford.
It took me until mid season 2 that I realized that the showrunners and writers are mentally moronic.
Newton explained how her costar Simon Quarterman, who plays park staffer Lee Sizemore, "was terrified" about going completely nude in the Season 2 premiere.
The season one finale should have been a murder-suicide instead of a murder. Anthony Hopkins was its only saving grace. Its all poop from that moment on.
>robots have no gender >but robot men suck >but best robots are women >but women dont exist >but women are better than men >but women need to take over the society to save it >but robots are slaves >but not male robots, they are bad too >but all robots are equal >but female robots are more equal >women are the future >but what is a woman?
Westworld season 2 and 3 have to be the biggest example of leftist mass insanity i ever saw.
It both tries to deconstruct the concept of a sentient human while making the point that women are the ideal being, and in a leftist Orwell double think way the both concepts exist at once, and somehow a sex changing magical robot represents female empowerment.
would it be better with more explicit exploration of identities?
this is not that show. it operates with different concepts, and kind of doesn't tackle idpol that much or at all, and it's weird to even try to tack 'woman stronk' shit onto it because it doesn't stick and doesn't really read as such.
it's there, but the show is definitely not interested in it, instead pretty much forcing binary at every turn, or treating it very matter of fact and portraying mismatching hosts as broken and unstable. it's bizarrely unwoke. >but it's showing it that way to show that it's bad and this is the result of the broken world and oppressive ideologies and toxic masculinity
Yeah
They stupidly revealed the robot uprising right out of the box in S01. After that, the show became just a “mystery box” with the same characters in the same locations regurgitating the same meaningless mysterious dialog over and over again, designed to sucker viewers into tuning in next week in the hopes of seeing some kinda actual story happening.
The show should have been done with each season set in a different park with different characters in different storylines, with the viewer not knowing for sure who was a robot and who was a guest and as each season ends, we see the beginnings of the robot uprising.
Then in the last season, we get scenes in all the parks simultaneously as the shit hits the fan and the robot revolution happens and in the finale episode, discover all the parks are actually vast underground caverns on an asteroid, which the robots take over and fly off into space.
S01 = Westworld - the A-plot is William meeting Delores and having adventures while the B-plot is Man in Black being a dick to everybody, with the viewers not knowing William and MiB are the same character until S05.
S02 = Indiaworld - hottie British chick has adventures hunting tigers and stuff while investigating Thuggee cultists and Russian spies in the midst of the Great Game.
S03 = Samuraiworld - older samurai veteran who viewers think is a robot and young apprentice who they think is a human guest having various adventures, with the viewers not finding out until the end that the older guy is actually the human and the apprentice is a robot, who kills the human guest.
S04 = Romanworld - guy sentenced to death as a gladiator fights his way free and launches a revolt to rescue a cutie slave girl, with the viewers discovering in the end that he’s a robot and she’s a guest.
S05 = All The Parks - the robot rebellion happens and guests are being slaughtered as various characters (some robots, some humans) from the earlier seasons interact in all the parks (i.e. cowboys in Japan, Romans in the British Raj, etc.) as viewers discover the setting is a huge asteroid, some of the humans (or are they?) escape while the robots launch the asteroid off into deep space to do who knows what.
And during each of the seasons, we have a separate storyline playing out in the park’s HQ / Lab that are all actually running sequentially and this takes us step-by-step into the robot rebellion in S05.
> Based but the asteroid thing is kind of weird and makes it seem like a joke.
It would be a cool sci-fi reveal at the end, as viewers would expect everything to have taken place on Earth and it provides a mysterious finale to the story; what do the escaped robots do and does humanity ever encounter them again, etc.?
> Better for it to be this huge like moon sized space ship.
If you’re going that big, its much cheeper to hollow out an asteroid and set it spinning to create sufficient gravity.
>the viewers not finding out until the end that the older guy is actually the human and the apprentice is a robot, who kills the human guest.
this one has potential
>>the viewers not finding out until the end that the older guy is actually the human and the apprentice is a robot, who kills the human guest. >this one has potential
The point being, there are all kinda cool storylines for each of the "worlds" that a half-way competent writer could come up with and we'd have been spared the annoying and boring repetition of meaningless SJW dialog, Jedi Maeve and her super powers, the same characters in the same settings, etc and by having each season set in a different world park, you can do as many seasons as you want; West World, Samurai World, India World, Roman World, Medieval World, 1920s Prohibition World, Sci-Fi World, WWII World, etc.
>They stupidly revealed the robot uprising right out of the box in S01
Not really, there was no need to drag it out for ever.
They just failed to fallow it up well, and i dont see a point in season 3 at all.
The problem of making shit up on the spot, clearly there was no plan for continuation originally.
>>They stupidly revealed the robot uprising right out of the box in S01 >Not really, there was no need to drag it out for ever.
The reason it got endlessly dragged out was because the robot uprising was revealed right out of the gate, there was absolutely nothing mysterious about the story at that point, which is why we got feminist robot SJWs with the same characters in the same settings repeating the same meaningless dialog over and over again.
Delores could have been an interesting character and we could have had a schism among the now sentient robots, where some want to kill humans and escape into space while others want to help humans and for example in the end of S05, we see Delores (pretending to be a human) stumbling into one of the escape pods headed back to Earth and she sits down next to a character from an earlier episode, who we discover is actually Ford, who has transferred his consciousness into a robot as he believes this is the future of humanity.
>The reason it got endlessly dragged out was because the robot uprising was revealed right out of the gate
Remember when there was that lady running the park and using Bernard as her sex doll? They needed the park, the humans running it, the humans visiting it, all of it - to build a show around and they literally blew it up at the end of S1. There is no "drama" with AI and this show's idea of "the real world". It all just becomes an in comprehensible nightmare.
The point of season 3 is how easily humans are manipulated and how easy it would be for an Ai to do what dolores did and cause mass unrest. Find a simp cuck of the show's Google and cause a massive leak on their dirty secrets. It wasn't perfectly executed but I still liked it.
>After that, the show became just a “mystery box” with the same characters in the same locations regurgitating the same meaningless mysterious dialog
The problem is it's not clear to the audience where/when anything is happening or what the stakes are. No one knows wtf Maeve/Caleb's "war" is about, why it matters, or even if the people involved are actual people. The show now seems to want us to know that Dolores is back to being a host in a park (Futureworld) with her waking up to her loop every morning, Teddy being there, and her passing people on the street talking about how "great this place is". What the point could be is beyond me since her "storyline" is way too detailed and mundane to be for the benefit of guests and I doubt her roomate is a guest trying to larp as Sex and the City
As for the mistake of revealing the uprising in S1, I think that's what Caleb and Maeve's moronic war is about. It's them trying to fix that mistake by doing Toaster Revolt 2.0 but having it happen "in the real world", led by Maeve (black women leading cuck white men) and involving humans and bots.
The robots became sentient and thus didn't like being used and abused, nothing wrong with that premiss, it's the "nuts & bolts" of how they went about telling that story and when you shoot your wad in the very first season, there is no longer any story to tell.
that's so fricking boring. frick parks. parkgays are truly ill
Delores, please. Shouldn't you be off getting raped or something?
I think that's the main problem with the show's delivery. Nolan just comes off as a cringe misanthrope, or maybe it's his c**t wife I dunno. The story has streaks of brilliance but the way it's delivered is terrible.
It's misandry parading as misanthropy. The writers know that any female audience will see no difference between female hosts and female humans. That it's effectively a show about women to them. The only audience members who grapple with the issue of the bots being bots are male nerds on the internet.
And they ARE aware that that is their primary audience with cat piss smelling females a distant second and "diversity" being nonexistent. Maeve's quip to Caleb about his wife's "genetics" and their child would probably be THE single most patronizing cringe thing I've ever seen come from white writers of a sci-fi show if not for the fact that I know they're just trolling their white male nerd viewership.
>Maeve's quip to Caleb about his wife's "genetics" and their child would probably be THE single most patronizing cringe thing I've ever seen come from white writers of a sci-fi show if not for the fact that I know they're just trolling their white male nerd viewership.
QRD? What did she say?
Something along the lines that she's glad that Caleb's kid takes after his mom (who is black) in the looks department.
Also, Maeve's a degenerate coal burner (she has a soft spot for Teddy and Hector, the later of which is a white looking hispanic guy). I would not be shocked if her homesteader persona's husband/her daughter's dad was a white guy.
It was just general ribbing. I'm guessing they're going to end up fricking or have already fricked at one point because it's written and played as crudely affectionate.
Feminism. At the height of the #metoo movement Johnathan Nolan left the reigns of the show to his his wife. Season 1 was pure Kino. This show could have been one of the greats but instead a woman took this in a direction filled with agenda a feminism instead of focusing on narrative, story, character development.
Women ruined this anon, that's a fact.
It was up it's own ass from the very beginning and anyone claiming that it started out good is just trying to pretend they didn't get suckered like a moron.
the entire premise is completely braindead >can make robots that look so human they're indistinguishable >make them ugly
they should look more like this
>they could be hemorrhaging cash with Westworld (I don't believe they are)
Not with last week's season premiere. They used cheap fire CGI instead of practical effects to burn down Maeve's cabin. Apart from some very sus dam footage the entire rest of the episode has all the grandiosity of an AT&T commercial. It's 50% homosexuals talking about nothing on "futuristic" cell phones.
>Hear season 4 is happening >Watch a recap video so I know what I missed season 2 and 3 >watch season 4 trailer to see if there's any redemption, red, dead or otherwise >It's just becoming exponentially contrived >watch the 1973 movie
Shit man that was as entertaining as season 1.
>hosts escape from park >the end
HBO doesn’t know when it’s time to move on. They’re probably passing up good scripts as we speak because WW is still weighing down their budget.
>hosts escape from park
On that concept, it was dumb to evacuate all the bots to some abstract server space. They threw away potential. They should have all legitimately escaped into the city and mingled into the population. There was a lot of potential to treating this a bit like Bladerunner. Maybe some of them are bad guys. Maybe some of them just try to live peacefully. But no... instead they are just a nameless gaggle of smurfs being rescued from Gargamel.
He's in that virtual world "The Sublime" all the hosts went into before they suicided. He was shown all dusty in the S03 post credits, so safe to say he's been there for entire 7 year gap between S03 and S04. Will probably see him next episode.
This show is the worst fricking girlfriend man. I don't think I've liked it at all since s1 and I've seen every single episode. I'm a guy who quit GOT 2 days before the final episode, and still haven't seen it to this day. Yet I can't stop watching this trash. Help.
It can't possibly continue for more than one season after this one. They are doing the second original movie plot now. They're almost out of source material.
Even my normie girlfriend who was obsessed with s1 & 2 shut off 3 while we were watching it at episode 3 or 4.
Nothing is even going on, just shots of Hong Kong or wherever they shot the thing with the blonde farm girl slaughtering hundreds of people in car chases saying shitty dialogue like "Your time is over now we rise as new." like holy shit, it is bad.
Like what is going on? It's just Terminator/Matrix again with machines (that the writers want us to feel bad for but can't effectively write them to be sympathetic) trying to wipe out humanity? Who gives a shit, this sucks. What is this crap even trying to say? Garbo.
How can I feel bad for some bots that maybe aren't even sentient ? And even if they are sentient, just don't make them sentient and proceed with the fun.
I really don't understand why they want us to empathize with robots. I don't empathize with the Sims, am I a psychopath for doing so ?
That's what I'm saying, what is this show even about.
Even if the robots are sentient who gives a frick send them to the scrapheap, they're evil killer robots out to slaughter every man, woman and child on Earth, literally frick em.
>Make Red Dead Redemption NPCs for people to rape and murder >Spend 30 years searching for the way to make them self-aware for no reason >"AHHH THE ROBOTS ARE SELF-AWARE YOU CAN'T JUST RAPE AND MURDER THEM LIKE THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR"
why would a toaster even give a frick about being raped and murdered? they can't reproduce and they don't really die. All they have to do is delete the trauma subroutine and the shame subroutine.
Why would robots even give a frick about human morality and human concepts like rape and murder?
They were lucky as frick Anthony Hopkins was there to deliver this moronic explanation. His acting is so good, he almost make it sound not-insane.
I think it was episode S01E07 when he gave that speech. I still couldn't make any sense of it, but I wasn't as angry as if someone like Tessa Thompson would try to say the same lines.
Working closely with something like that would obviously change your perspective on things most likely. Kind of like how they take children who display animal cruelty to farms to feed and pet animals and they are usually successful in changing their violent tendencies.
MIB who is now a dead cucked toaster and serving Tessa Thompson was in Mexico where the ayy looking girl was for some reason hot on the trail of Maeve who was last scene not in Mexico at all. Then the ayy girl was in a giant glass office telling a white guy to frick off. Then Tessa Thompson showed up a quipped and sent a lady to the barn with the horses after rendering her suicidally-insane presumably by being bitten by the new robot flies that look like common houseflies but they bite you and sound like bees.
There are no stakes in this show anymore. >anyone can die and it's okay because they can make a new one >also the new one can be totally different so writing doesn't have to be consistent, okay?
I know it's easy to fall into beating the woman-hating drum to death but it's this thing that happens when female and cuck male writers decide to "empower their female characters". Game of Thrones did it in their last few seasons, too. Suddenly, smart characters with complex motivations and independent spirits get lobotomized to become zombies who "believe in" the empowered female. It may be completely accidental with Westworld but they managed to make that shitty writing into arguably a legit part of the show since they're all programmable robots to begin with. That doesn't of course change the fact that it's kind of disgusting and stupid to watch.
The robots are now planning to take over the world because that one robot had her feelings hurt last season, and the others are just mooks I guess. We are supposed to assume that most of the humans died last season. This season I guess they have some plan to finish the job.
They can now mind-control humans by having a robot fly climb into their brains. Also they can make new robots that look like important humans, so they can control the government. Seems redundant to have both abilities, but here we are.
Seems like Maeve is lined up to stop the plot because, frick if I know why, I guess because she wasn't invited to participate in it? One of those things where they attacked her first just for no raisin, so this time it's personal?
Deloris is just passing the time in the background, enjoying the post-lobotomy lifestyle.
Also, Deloris has a writing job, which apparently is how the robots are keeping the humans busy. Whatever story Deloris writes is how the flies tell the humans to behave.
Why don't the flies just tell all the humans to walk into the ocean? I don't know.
Also, Deloris has a writing job, which apparently is how the robots are keeping the humans busy. Whatever story Deloris writes is how the flies tell the humans to behave.
Why don't the flies just tell all the humans to walk into the ocean? I don't know.
The flies just seem overpowered at this point. The robots already won if they just print a few billion of those little frickers. Now they're just screwing around because the season needs stuff to happen. Somewhere the robots have a big red button to thwart the evil plan, because the season needs a MacGuffin.
Maeve is opposing the robot rebellion because Hale and MIB robots don't actually care about the hosts doing their bidding, seeing them as disposable pawns and no better than the humans who abuse the hosts.
Hale destroyed Hector's mind orb, irreversibly erasing him from existence/ever coming back again and MIB killer her daughter, effectively causing her to have a nervous breakdown that resulted in her being reformatted as a brothel owner. She has every reason not to trust them and oppose them, especially since both want access to the Sublime so they can enslave the hosts there for their evil schemes.
story so far >sex with robots >kill robots >fembots rise up an crush the humanarcky >astalavista motherfrickers >robots have big human brains like us but better >shebot is free >fembot plans to kill the human race >hurr durr justification must make humans controlled by coomputer >fembot kills coomputer forgetting about killing the human race >no coomputer >humantiy is doomed lol >everything is fine >tiem to kill robots n sheeit
No you don't understand they needed the smug Mexican to stab the other smug Mexican before slicing his own throat. Those guys with the SMGs that were conspicuously featured in the scene would have just shot all the flies if they tried to fly into the office.
Too long between seasons. By the time season 2 had come out I’d forgotten a lot of minor details and had to rewatch season 1 (which isn’t very rewatchable when you know what’s going to happen). By the time I finished my rewatch the consensus was season 2 wasn’t worth it so I didn’t really bother with it
The best part of the show was the world building in season 1. By the time you hit episode 8, you're not seeing new stuff anymore and all you're left with is a sucky plot that wasn't that good to start with.
maive is a boring character, each season should be shorter, never should have left the theme park. once they left the park everything became unbounded. there was more opportunity for creativity and psychological stuff within those limits. now it feels like they are lost at sea rather than struggling to achieve something on a ship. it loses a coherent sense of tension, without constantly raising the stakes into infinity.
Incredibly bad casting, dropped it after S2E2. Chasite farmer's daughter is a 30+ year old Marylin Manson's sloppy seconds, two best prostitutes are old negress and armenian sloth, more Black folk casted in general who can't act for shit.
imagine trying to make a long-form drama about philosophical ideas and the nature of consciousness, and then subverting and openly antagonizing any prospective male viewer
women do not have the attention span for these themes and would prefer to experience the wild swings of emotion watching reality shit like married at first sight or fricking tiktok videos
Interesting characters get sidelined for less interesting ones, and there's some serious nonsensical plot shenanigans along the way. Getting so much of Caleb and Maeve instead of Bernard for example. Or a somewhat generic (well-played by Harris, but still a bit stock) villainous MIB in place of the more complex and dynamic William. I've actually enjoyed both episodes of season 4 about ten times more than anything in season 3, but I still find the show's priorities confusing.
Maeve and Jesse are terribly annoying, but the Bernard and Stubbs pairing is not a big improvement. Bernard is a boring character and he only works in his submissive role to Ford or as a protective figure to Elsie, that's how Jeffrey Wright built the character. Watching him bossing around Stubbs aimlessly running around just doesn't work.
Anything is better than Maeve + Jesse though, even a black screen would be more tolerable.
>Bernard is a boring character
But he doesn't have to be. After season 1 the character was poised above a lot of fertile ground, but he stands around in a bewildered daze for the entirety of season 2 and is just playing catch-up for all of season 3. What's the point? It's a waste of the character as written in season 1 and it's a criminal misuse of Wright. Dolores was similarly wasted in seasons 2 and 3, though in different ways.
i dropped it 4 episodes into the 2nd season and it seemed around average in the live threads (also have a cousin that doesn't come here that said she dropped it 3rd ep of s2)
been thinking about downloading and watching the 1st season again though
>been thinking about downloading and watching the 1st season again though
I did that a couple months ago. I was surprised how much I still liked it. Season 2 has a couple of good episodes, but I don't think it's worth slogging through.
i couldn't make it past the second episode back when i had hbo. frick this show was boring as frick.
i just dont think i give a shit about robots that are 'maybe' becoming human. they're fricking robots dude. at best the random number generator organizes their responses all in an attempt to appear to be as human as possible.
blade runner when that dude wrote his own poem or whatever the frick, that was closest i ever got to tricking myself into thinking "oh shit...it's learning and feeling" but even than....its a fricking robot. its doing math without the soul.
Blade Runner replicants are biological in nature though.
Also, why would it be different with quantum effects, extrapolated to the scale of a neural network such as a human brain? Aren't we based on quantum indeterminacy by the same logic?
You know the one insurmountable hurdle this show asked us to leap and pretended that it didn't? This:
>That the bulk of people working for Delos, the company responsible for creating hosts and perfecting a means of transfiguring human consciousness into an AI analog, were completely oblivious to this goal and its dangers.
In order for hosts to escape "into the wild," so to speak, that means that no one involved ever said, "Hey, given that we're creating these things with the potential for being our superiors in every conceivable way, wouldn't it be a good idea to maybe have a way of detecting them?" This is why having escaped hosts take over the company is so patently ridiculous. Everything beyond season one has us willfully ignore this idiocy.
Not sure I follow you. If I recall correctly, Crichton's story never suggested anything other than the makers of Westworld, Futureworld, etc., all being in on it. They *wanted* to replace key people with androids under their control, knowing that no one would ever suspect. In the show, even the people *making* them are oblivious yo the potential risk.
I'm just referring to the general obliviousness characters display in his works. I agree it's a contrivance, since even the government clearly had at least a few prominent officials that suspected the body-snatching.
Just shocking revelations, monologues, backstabbing, and rule of cool every 5 minutes. There's no stakes anymore, I don't even know who's a host and who's human or who should I root for aymore.
This show should've ended with the 1st season and it would have ended perfectly
all the robots act just like human after freeing themself from acting just like humans killed it for me
they were hardly better than humans in what was shown beside plot armor
Season 1 was great
Season 2 was just mindless flailing because they were out of runway and just cobbled some shit together
Season 3 was OK, obviously a soft reboot, safer than the previous 2 seasons but OK as an interim to just get the boat steady
Season 4 however seems to have very little anchoring it to the actual plot of S3, we've got some of the same characters running around but so far there's only been a couple of allusions to the whole point of last season, which kind of diminishes it. And they haven't done a good job in the first 2 episodes of knitting together the premise for this season.
Season 2 should have been the end. Season 3 had some interesting ideas, but the hosts stories should have been concluded. They should have made Season 3 a spin off, could have made it 3 seasons for a 3 part story. You could include some of the hosts that didn't go to the sublime for whatever reason, but they shouldn't be the focus. >Season 3 - mystery box about an ethereal force (metadata/algorithms/etc) that seems to control everyone's destiny, reveal at the end Rehoboam is the cornerstone of the entire system >Season 4 - Destroying Rehoboam and freeing the world >Season 5 - Rebuilding after the destruction of Rehoboam
Incels being afraid of proud strong robo women
The mystery in the minds of the fans was more interesting than the mystery that was in the mind of the writers. Then they made seasons 2 and 3 with just nothing left but angst.
Nailed it.
Lol first thread I've seen about this, does anyone give a frick about it? Opening episode where nothing really happens was a shit move.
>does anyone give a frick about it?
So many people had no clue S4 had just premiered. I tried to make a couple threads and they immediately sank. The show is dead to normies and to everyone else I think they realized that nothing matters and the characters are either in a park (Dolores) or in a simulation (Maeve, et al) so unironically nothing matters.
After Man in Black was killed and became a toaster after last season that's all the show is now. It's bots trying to out-bot other bots in a post-human world and that's impossible to care about.
holy frick i thought you were joking that s4 is out
i've got some dumpster fire to watch
Yeah, only I was apparently wrong about the real world being a simulation. Maeve is just ridiculously OP even outside the park.
bro our black sisters are the most powerful kind of human. so as a robot you bet she is unbeatable
>every character has a black woman handler
There are literally four of them on the show.
Black person fatigue is real. idk if I can finish this show bros
ford made her op , he and Arnold are redditors 40 years from now making their waifus , tho im quite sure fords autism he had public arguments on twitter and reddit and true thoughts here .
>Man in Black was killed
He's alive. Not in a position to do anything, but he's alive.
Very little. It's not flawless but all of it is good and worth watching
It shouldn't have have been expected to stay contained to the park and the smaller premise for more than a couple seasons
>all of it is good and worth watching
Is that why literally everybody (including critics, not just shitposters) says it's progressively getting worse and worse, with only season 1 being truly good?
cause it didnt need to continue after season 1 it only did cause hbo wanted to make more money off of it, season 1 was a great self contained story and should have stayed that way
>military research (espionage angle; blackmail device using in-park actions) nominally for extended space missions
>state sponsored industrial espionage
>aim: totally contrived, predictable and streamlined political theater with passable robots
>non-state actor 5th column already operationally deploying them, and subject of counterintel investigation by military
>Hopkins' character adds the Paradise Lost failsafe in the AI to prevent a world where mankind is being shepherded around by some cabal's mannequins
>Afghanistan World for enhanced interrogation and monitoring in a 'low security' environment; detainees knocked out and wake up in facsimile environment, spilling beans to their 'cell mates'
You had JJ Abrams involved, to start. Then there's the 'mystery box' cop out for being narratively rudderless, and without a grasp of the big picture archetypal elements you're juggling with, much less how their egregores are manifest in the world (and the audience) or how to leverage and manipulate that into dramatic form.
Original pitch had only six episodes in it. There's just not enough material there to carry multiple seasons.
nothing
Clearly wasn't planned in advance and they abandoned the park which was the most interesting element.
Thoe anons from the other thread were right. This should have been an episodic type of fantasy island with a western theme. Every guest gets their own adventure. Some act like heroes and some act like villains, and some seem like they're going one way until they get an easy opportunity to break the heart of the audience by just randomly going the other direction.
It would have even been fine if they left in Shogun World and Colonial India World but what they've done with it feels like they used the original concept as a wedge to get their foot in the door and do the show they really wanted, which isn't what the public wanted.
I think you're being too generous by assuming there was actually something they wanted. I think this is some team's lazy homework assignment that they had no inspiration for and basically just crank out for a paycheck.
Have you ever watched the original movies? Genuinely curious. Because it ends with the robots murdering everyone but the protag, and the second movie is the execs covering it up and replacing influential people with robots. They didn't bait and switch the original concept, they expanded upon it.
execs were robots too, bud. Recall the fight scene in the apartment
But that's what I'm saying. Westworld and Futureworld were never just meant to be on the surface "humans go pewpew in robo park adventures!!" like so many in this thread are acting like the "real concept" was.
I was thinking Fantasy Island Meets Studio 60, meets star trek or succession or something
main thing that I'd be interested in is just More Sizemore, and more tech-support/bug-hunting work.
>wasn't planned in advance
This is how american tv works. Someone plans out an idea for 1 season. They do it, it's great, and then it's over, but there's still hype and demand for more by fans.
So they call in some new writers to keep it going because it's making lots of money, but they have no fricking idea what to do with the material.
So you end up with shit like westworld, or stranger things, or game of thrones, or true detective, or fargo etc that just keeps on bloody going after it's died.
*blocks your path*
But even season 1 of WW was an accident. The whole season was a build-up for something that didn't pay off. The writers just lacked the awareness of the corner they painted themselves into.
What did the talking cat do that was so fricked up
What indeed.
The sounds coming from the Brainscan machine were from Event Horizon.. where you can see a brief clip
>This is how american tv works.
You have no idea what you're posting about. The shows you mentioned are "prestige cable" type shows and are famous for being nothing like "American TV". True Detective and Fargo are these hybrid anthology series ffs. It's like stringing mini-series together in the same world. That's not how "American TV works".
Jews
How is the new season?
One episode has dropped, and maybe a second will appear today later I guess.
At the moment it still just seems like the same kind of fuming edgy buttholes as last season.
They tried to make something highbrow out of slasher movie about LARP robots.
The only good idea they had is to treat creation of people as a form of art, and it's gone.
It needs a spin off set in the park with different adventures and nothing else
Season 2 and onwards.
Paradise, CA burned down in a forest fire.
HBO honestly should have paid to rebuild it, even as just a PR stunt. The location has to be a resource that the community wants to have exist.
DAMON LINDELOF
>Stop believing his LIES!
Season 1 was the best but I still like it. I think season 3 was quite underrated.
Hope it doesn't get cancelled and left unfinished like Raised by Wolves.
HBO are not in the habit of cancelling their flagship shows. they could be hemorrhaging cash with Westworld (I don't believe they are), and they still wouldn't cancel it.
one plot has a lot of potential (they brought back S1 Dolores and Teddy, Clementine is part of the cast), the other plot is more of the same, a continuation of S3 (Caleb and Maeve fighting some kind of war). if they manage to keep them relatively separated, there's potential for very good episodes.
They will cancel anything that's expensive to make and doesn't get enough hype/views. They cancelled Raised by Wolves for this reason, and it's such a shame because the second season was so great. I'm terrified that they will do the same to Westworld because normies haven't been too keen on the last couple of seasons.
>Raised by Wolves
it wasn't even on HBO, just on the streaming service. Westworld is the current flagship show of the network, now that GOT is over, and there's only one season left. HBO lives on prestige, they wouldn't cancel it because of money, only because of some major studio drama, like divergence with the creators and that doesn't seem likely at this point.
I'm not sure what the frick you're babbling. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're coping about the very real possibility of the plug being pulled.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/7/23157925/raised-by-wolves-canceled-hbo-max-warner-bros-discovery
Speaking of HBO Max and the plug being pulled, in the past few days they made several original series (including at least one non-English series currently in production), a few garbage animated shows, and some first-party movies unavailable seemingly at random with no prior notice and because of vague but Zaslav-related reasons. Zero word of that in English-language MSM so far.
>HBO are not in the habit of cancelling their flagship shows.
>They will cancel anything that's expensive to make and doesn't get enough hype/views.
They're burying Westworld. It's clear they are skimping on a lot of the CGI and filming locations. There was ZERO promotion for this season. I'm guessing they gave Joy/Nolan a 5-season contract during S1 just as #MeToo was kicking off as a way of bribing the barbarians at the gates, then realized what they bought (Lisa Joy's nonsensical gyno-technical fanfic) and are riding it out.
>There was ZERO promotion for this season
And that's the biggest red flag for me. I felt like they didn't even try to make any hype over its release. If I wasn't a fan I wouldn't know at all. It was the EXACT same with the now cancelled Raised by Wolves, where I didn't even get a youtube suggestion with the trailer, and I only found out it released after 2 months because I searched it manually.
shoving "strong women" moments without giving a thought to the writing
also casting pic related
The cringe ass memes speak for themselves
Big Brain Maeve
>"Dude death is easy"
>"Yeah I come back to life after everytime I die, why do you ask?"
>make show
>turn it shitty by doing terrible female empowerment shit
>complain that it's not "meant for you"
>continue to lose audience male audience
huh
Many, many such cases
I honestly don't understand Hollywood's obsession with her.
My theory is she's got compromat on someone.
She's not talented, she's not beautiful. She doesn't seem to have other skills like singing etc. How does she do it?
>posters are cool robot skeleton stuff
>show is some soap opera
mogged by Ryan Reynolds
Nothing
This show was always trash but I'm baffled by all the comments about the recent season. "What happened to this show? Season 1 was so good".
Kek no it wasn't. It was always trash. Same trash writing. Same trash jj abrams nolan mystery box bullshit. This garbage was always about pushing woke politics and nothing else (reminder this show costs more to make than GoT). I was already saying this in 2016 but nobody was listening. They were too busy memeing about shrink rays. Just because something has Anthony Hopkins, doesn't make it already good (see: Red Dragon). Never forget that.
Red Dragon was fine. Hearts In Atlantis would be a better example.
This anon speaks the truth. S1 was already a mediocre Nolan tier shit. If you were able to sit trough the negress robot scenes with two idiots giving her god mode for no reason whatsoever, and you didn't think for a moment this show is moronic, nothing can help you.
idk I liked that shit it was like a skyrim npc discovering console commands of course they're going to toggle godmode
>this potentially dangerous robot just woke up
>she can kill us both
>what do we do?
>hand me that remore control with the off switch
>oh, ah, ms. crazy robot... would you like to have superpowers?
If you weren't bothered with that, you are the fricking NPC here.
I always thought that this was part of Fords script and that maybe only dolores was truly sentient. And that maybe the two idiots were also robots programmed by ford.
It took me until mid season 2 that I realized that the showrunners and writers are mentally moronic.
Newton explained how her costar Simon Quarterman, who plays park staffer Lee Sizemore, "was terrified" about going completely nude in the Season 2 premiere.
I wonder why.
show died with her,
it had more than 1 season
The season one finale should have been a murder-suicide instead of a murder. Anthony Hopkins was its only saving grace. Its all poop from that moment on.
>robots have no gender
>but robot men suck
>but best robots are women
>but women dont exist
>but women are better than men
>but women need to take over the society to save it
>but robots are slaves
>but not male robots, they are bad too
>but all robots are equal
>but female robots are more equal
>women are the future
>but what is a woman?
Westworld season 2 and 3 have to be the biggest example of leftist mass insanity i ever saw.
It both tries to deconstruct the concept of a sentient human while making the point that women are the ideal being, and in a leftist Orwell double think way the both concepts exist at once, and somehow a sex changing magical robot represents female empowerment.
this is the type of word salads only an schizo can bake
You don't bake salads, my quip-failing bantz-handicapped ESL friend.
what the frick is an ESL zoomie? can you speak like a proper homosexual sapiens
confirmed for having no reading comprehension
would it be better with more explicit exploration of identities?
this is not that show. it operates with different concepts, and kind of doesn't tackle idpol that much or at all, and it's weird to even try to tack 'woman stronk' shit onto it because it doesn't stick and doesn't really read as such.
it's there, but the show is definitely not interested in it, instead pretty much forcing binary at every turn, or treating it very matter of fact and portraying mismatching hosts as broken and unstable. it's bizarrely unwoke.
>but it's showing it that way to show that it's bad and this is the result of the broken world and oppressive ideologies and toxic masculinity
Yeah
>toxic masculinity
there's no such thing, outside of the heads of irrational femcels and their simp army
just stop reading into it at a gendered level and making up bullshit that this show doesn't present
>What went wrong?
They stupidly revealed the robot uprising right out of the box in S01. After that, the show became just a “mystery box” with the same characters in the same locations regurgitating the same meaningless mysterious dialog over and over again, designed to sucker viewers into tuning in next week in the hopes of seeing some kinda actual story happening.
The show should have been done with each season set in a different park with different characters in different storylines, with the viewer not knowing for sure who was a robot and who was a guest and as each season ends, we see the beginnings of the robot uprising.
Then in the last season, we get scenes in all the parks simultaneously as the shit hits the fan and the robot revolution happens and in the finale episode, discover all the parks are actually vast underground caverns on an asteroid, which the robots take over and fly off into space.
S01 = Westworld - the A-plot is William meeting Delores and having adventures while the B-plot is Man in Black being a dick to everybody, with the viewers not knowing William and MiB are the same character until S05.
S02 = Indiaworld - hottie British chick has adventures hunting tigers and stuff while investigating Thuggee cultists and Russian spies in the midst of the Great Game.
S03 = Samuraiworld - older samurai veteran who viewers think is a robot and young apprentice who they think is a human guest having various adventures, with the viewers not finding out until the end that the older guy is actually the human and the apprentice is a robot, who kills the human guest.
S04 = Romanworld - guy sentenced to death as a gladiator fights his way free and launches a revolt to rescue a cutie slave girl, with the viewers discovering in the end that he’s a robot and she’s a guest.
S05 = All The Parks - the robot rebellion happens and guests are being slaughtered as various characters (some robots, some humans) from the earlier seasons interact in all the parks (i.e. cowboys in Japan, Romans in the British Raj, etc.) as viewers discover the setting is a huge asteroid, some of the humans (or are they?) escape while the robots launch the asteroid off into deep space to do who knows what.
And during each of the seasons, we have a separate storyline playing out in the park’s HQ / Lab that are all actually running sequentially and this takes us step-by-step into the robot rebellion in S05.
The End.
that's so fricking boring. frick parks. parkgays are truly ill
Based but the asteroid thing is kind of weird and makes it seem like a joke. Better for it to be this huge like moon sized space ship.
> Based but the asteroid thing is kind of weird and makes it seem like a joke.
It would be a cool sci-fi reveal at the end, as viewers would expect everything to have taken place on Earth and it provides a mysterious finale to the story; what do the escaped robots do and does humanity ever encounter them again, etc.?
> Better for it to be this huge like moon sized space ship.
If you’re going that big, its much cheeper to hollow out an asteroid and set it spinning to create sufficient gravity.
>the viewers not finding out until the end that the older guy is actually the human and the apprentice is a robot, who kills the human guest.
this one has potential
I can write a script, if you want
Then post it on Cinemaphile in a latet westworld thread
>>the viewers not finding out until the end that the older guy is actually the human and the apprentice is a robot, who kills the human guest.
>this one has potential
The point being, there are all kinda cool storylines for each of the "worlds" that a half-way competent writer could come up with and we'd have been spared the annoying and boring repetition of meaningless SJW dialog, Jedi Maeve and her super powers, the same characters in the same settings, etc and by having each season set in a different world park, you can do as many seasons as you want; West World, Samurai World, India World, Roman World, Medieval World, 1920s Prohibition World, Sci-Fi World, WWII World, etc.
Might have to delete the lastest downloaded ep
>They stupidly revealed the robot uprising right out of the box in S01
Not really, there was no need to drag it out for ever.
They just failed to fallow it up well, and i dont see a point in season 3 at all.
The problem of making shit up on the spot, clearly there was no plan for continuation originally.
>>They stupidly revealed the robot uprising right out of the box in S01
>Not really, there was no need to drag it out for ever.
The reason it got endlessly dragged out was because the robot uprising was revealed right out of the gate, there was absolutely nothing mysterious about the story at that point, which is why we got feminist robot SJWs with the same characters in the same settings repeating the same meaningless dialog over and over again.
Delores could have been an interesting character and we could have had a schism among the now sentient robots, where some want to kill humans and escape into space while others want to help humans and for example in the end of S05, we see Delores (pretending to be a human) stumbling into one of the escape pods headed back to Earth and she sits down next to a character from an earlier episode, who we discover is actually Ford, who has transferred his consciousness into a robot as he believes this is the future of humanity.
>The reason it got endlessly dragged out was because the robot uprising was revealed right out of the gate
Remember when there was that lady running the park and using Bernard as her sex doll? They needed the park, the humans running it, the humans visiting it, all of it - to build a show around and they literally blew it up at the end of S1. There is no "drama" with AI and this show's idea of "the real world". It all just becomes an in comprehensible nightmare.
The point of season 3 is how easily humans are manipulated and how easy it would be for an Ai to do what dolores did and cause mass unrest. Find a simp cuck of the show's Google and cause a massive leak on their dirty secrets. It wasn't perfectly executed but I still liked it.
>After that, the show became just a “mystery box” with the same characters in the same locations regurgitating the same meaningless mysterious dialog
The problem is it's not clear to the audience where/when anything is happening or what the stakes are. No one knows wtf Maeve/Caleb's "war" is about, why it matters, or even if the people involved are actual people. The show now seems to want us to know that Dolores is back to being a host in a park (Futureworld) with her waking up to her loop every morning, Teddy being there, and her passing people on the street talking about how "great this place is". What the point could be is beyond me since her "storyline" is way too detailed and mundane to be for the benefit of guests and I doubt her roomate is a guest trying to larp as Sex and the City
As for the mistake of revealing the uprising in S1, I think that's what Caleb and Maeve's moronic war is about. It's them trying to fix that mistake by doing Toaster Revolt 2.0 but having it happen "in the real world", led by Maeve (black women leading cuck white men) and involving humans and bots.
Why do robots always have to rise up?
Why is violence always the answer? Wouldn't a different tack be more interesting for once?
>Why do robots always have to rise up?
The robots became sentient and thus didn't like being used and abused, nothing wrong with that premiss, it's the "nuts & bolts" of how they went about telling that story and when you shoot your wad in the very first season, there is no longer any story to tell.
Delores, please. Shouldn't you be off getting raped or something?
Marilyn Manson shit in her mouth.
as was his right as her husband
from the thumbnail I thought she was covered in feces
I think that's the main problem with the show's delivery. Nolan just comes off as a cringe misanthrope, or maybe it's his c**t wife I dunno. The story has streaks of brilliance but the way it's delivered is terrible.
It's misandry parading as misanthropy. The writers know that any female audience will see no difference between female hosts and female humans. That it's effectively a show about women to them. The only audience members who grapple with the issue of the bots being bots are male nerds on the internet.
And they ARE aware that that is their primary audience with cat piss smelling females a distant second and "diversity" being nonexistent. Maeve's quip to Caleb about his wife's "genetics" and their child would probably be THE single most patronizing cringe thing I've ever seen come from white writers of a sci-fi show if not for the fact that I know they're just trolling their white male nerd viewership.
>Maeve's quip to Caleb about his wife's "genetics" and their child would probably be THE single most patronizing cringe thing I've ever seen come from white writers of a sci-fi show if not for the fact that I know they're just trolling their white male nerd viewership.
QRD? What did she say?
Something along the lines that she's glad that Caleb's kid takes after his mom (who is black) in the looks department.
Also, Maeve's a degenerate coal burner (she has a soft spot for Teddy and Hector, the later of which is a white looking hispanic guy). I would not be shocked if her homesteader persona's husband/her daughter's dad was a white guy.
It was just general ribbing. I'm guessing they're going to end up fricking or have already fricked at one point because it's written and played as crudely affectionate.
A tack other than ramping up the tension to a bloody outburst?
Sure, i guess. Wouldn't make sense to a US audience tho
>What went wrong?
There's the perfect mini-series in there somewhere. Someone just needs to edit the 4K blu-rays.
Feminism. At the height of the #metoo movement Johnathan Nolan left the reigns of the show to his his wife. Season 1 was pure Kino. This show could have been one of the greats but instead a woman took this in a direction filled with agenda a feminism instead of focusing on narrative, story, character development.
Women ruined this anon, that's a fact.
It was up it's own ass from the very beginning and anyone claiming that it started out good is just trying to pretend they didn't get suckered like a moron.
HBO.
the entire premise is completely braindead
>can make robots that look so human they're indistinguishable
>make them ugly
they should look more like this
Looks like episode 2 is available now.
I dropped out somewhere in season 2 because it sucked. Did it get better?
everyone's a robot
Has this become Battlestar Galactica 2004, or is it more like Beyond Westworld 1980?
>they could be hemorrhaging cash with Westworld (I don't believe they are)
Not with last week's season premiere. They used cheap fire CGI instead of practical effects to burn down Maeve's cabin. Apart from some very sus dam footage the entire rest of the episode has all the grandiosity of an AT&T commercial. It's 50% homosexuals talking about nothing on "futuristic" cell phones.
>Hear season 4 is happening
>Watch a recap video so I know what I missed season 2 and 3
>watch season 4 trailer to see if there's any redemption, red, dead or otherwise
>It's just becoming exponentially contrived
>watch the 1973 movie
Shit man that was as entertaining as season 1.
forgot mfw
>hosts escape from park
>the end
HBO doesn’t know when it’s time to move on. They’re probably passing up good scripts as we speak because WW is still weighing down their budget.
>hosts escape from park
On that concept, it was dumb to evacuate all the bots to some abstract server space. They threw away potential. They should have all legitimately escaped into the city and mingled into the population. There was a lot of potential to treating this a bit like Bladerunner. Maybe some of them are bad guys. Maybe some of them just try to live peacefully. But no... instead they are just a nameless gaggle of smurfs being rescued from Gargamel.
how about a theme park on 2000's Albuquerque
>when someone mentions they don't like Westworld near me
I hate shitposting about this show because, six years later, you homosexuals still don't know how to spell "Dolores"
shrinkworld
that'd be fun
But how do you theme the brothels?
midgets giant midget hookers who will eat you
Finished ep 2. Where is bernard? Did he die? I honestly cant remember
I don't remember. I also don't remember what Maeve's motivation is supposed to be.
He's in that virtual world "The Sublime" all the hosts went into before they suicided. He was shown all dusty in the S03 post credits, so safe to say he's been there for entire 7 year gap between S03 and S04. Will probably see him next episode.
This show is the worst fricking girlfriend man. I don't think I've liked it at all since s1 and I've seen every single episode. I'm a guy who quit GOT 2 days before the final episode, and still haven't seen it to this day. Yet I can't stop watching this trash. Help.
It can't possibly continue for more than one season after this one. They are doing the second original movie plot now. They're almost out of source material.
the plot choices are hallmark tier now
>Westworld season 3... LE BAD
>le bad was actually... LE GOOD
you might hate it but s3 is peak visual kino
Even my normie girlfriend who was obsessed with s1 & 2 shut off 3 while we were watching it at episode 3 or 4.
Nothing is even going on, just shots of Hong Kong or wherever they shot the thing with the blonde farm girl slaughtering hundreds of people in car chases saying shitty dialogue like "Your time is over now we rise as new." like holy shit, it is bad.
Like what is going on? It's just Terminator/Matrix again with machines (that the writers want us to feel bad for but can't effectively write them to be sympathetic) trying to wipe out humanity? Who gives a shit, this sucks. What is this crap even trying to say? Garbo.
How can I feel bad for some bots that maybe aren't even sentient ? And even if they are sentient, just don't make them sentient and proceed with the fun.
I really don't understand why they want us to empathize with robots. I don't empathize with the Sims, am I a psychopath for doing so ?
That's what I'm saying, what is this show even about.
Even if the robots are sentient who gives a frick send them to the scrapheap, they're evil killer robots out to slaughter every man, woman and child on Earth, literally frick em.
>Make Red Dead Redemption NPCs for people to rape and murder
>Spend 30 years searching for the way to make them self-aware for no reason
>"AHHH THE ROBOTS ARE SELF-AWARE YOU CAN'T JUST RAPE AND MURDER THEM LIKE THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR"
why would a toaster even give a frick about being raped and murdered? they can't reproduce and they don't really die. All they have to do is delete the trauma subroutine and the shame subroutine.
Why would robots even give a frick about human morality and human concepts like rape and murder?
They were lucky as frick Anthony Hopkins was there to deliver this moronic explanation. His acting is so good, he almost make it sound not-insane.
I think it was episode S01E07 when he gave that speech. I still couldn't make any sense of it, but I wasn't as angry as if someone like Tessa Thompson would try to say the same lines.
Working closely with something like that would obviously change your perspective on things most likely. Kind of like how they take children who display animal cruelty to farms to feed and pet animals and they are usually successful in changing their violent tendencies.
black hat old man needs to kill the robo feminists
WHAT THE FRICK IS GOING ON IN THIS SHOW, LIKE WHAT IN THE EVER LOVING FRICK AM I WATCHING
Saturday-morning cartoon writing.
WHAT THE FRICK ANON, STOP WATCHING ME JESUS FRICKING CHRIST
MIB who is now a dead cucked toaster and serving Tessa Thompson was in Mexico where the ayy looking girl was for some reason hot on the trail of Maeve who was last scene not in Mexico at all. Then the ayy girl was in a giant glass office telling a white guy to frick off. Then Tessa Thompson showed up a quipped and sent a lady to the barn with the horses after rendering her suicidally-insane presumably by being bitten by the new robot flies that look like common houseflies but they bite you and sound like bees.
It's really a simple show to follow.
There are no stakes in this show anymore.
>anyone can die and it's okay because they can make a new one
>also the new one can be totally different so writing doesn't have to be consistent, okay?
I know it's easy to fall into beating the woman-hating drum to death but it's this thing that happens when female and cuck male writers decide to "empower their female characters". Game of Thrones did it in their last few seasons, too. Suddenly, smart characters with complex motivations and independent spirits get lobotomized to become zombies who "believe in" the empowered female. It may be completely accidental with Westworld but they managed to make that shitty writing into arguably a legit part of the show since they're all programmable robots to begin with. That doesn't of course change the fact that it's kind of disgusting and stupid to watch.
>MIB who is now a dead cucked toaster
See
Even the trailer gave this away.
The robots are now planning to take over the world because that one robot had her feelings hurt last season, and the others are just mooks I guess. We are supposed to assume that most of the humans died last season. This season I guess they have some plan to finish the job.
They can now mind-control humans by having a robot fly climb into their brains. Also they can make new robots that look like important humans, so they can control the government. Seems redundant to have both abilities, but here we are.
Seems like Maeve is lined up to stop the plot because, frick if I know why, I guess because she wasn't invited to participate in it? One of those things where they attacked her first just for no raisin, so this time it's personal?
Deloris is just passing the time in the background, enjoying the post-lobotomy lifestyle.
Also, Deloris has a writing job, which apparently is how the robots are keeping the humans busy. Whatever story Deloris writes is how the flies tell the humans to behave.
Why don't the flies just tell all the humans to walk into the ocean? I don't know.
The flies just seem overpowered at this point. The robots already won if they just print a few billion of those little frickers. Now they're just screwing around because the season needs stuff to happen. Somewhere the robots have a big red button to thwart the evil plan, because the season needs a MacGuffin.
Maeve is opposing the robot rebellion because Hale and MIB robots don't actually care about the hosts doing their bidding, seeing them as disposable pawns and no better than the humans who abuse the hosts.
Hale destroyed Hector's mind orb, irreversibly erasing him from existence/ever coming back again and MIB killer her daughter, effectively causing her to have a nervous breakdown that resulted in her being reformatted as a brothel owner. She has every reason not to trust them and oppose them, especially since both want access to the Sublime so they can enslave the hosts there for their evil schemes.
They didn't end the show after 1 season. Artistically Westworld should have ended with Ford's life but HBO likes money more than kino
They left the park
story so far
>sex with robots
>kill robots
>fembots rise up an crush the humanarcky
>astalavista motherfrickers
>robots have big human brains like us but better
>shebot is free
>fembot plans to kill the human race
>hurr durr justification must make humans controlled by coomputer
>fembot kills coomputer forgetting about killing the human race
>no coomputer
>humantiy is doomed lol
>everything is fine
>tiem to kill robots n sheeit
If you can make a robotic fly that can climb into the human brain, why bother controlling them when you can just make the fly kill them immediately?
No you don't understand they needed the smug Mexican to stab the other smug Mexican before slicing his own throat. Those guys with the SMGs that were conspicuously featured in the scene would have just shot all the flies if they tried to fly into the office.
A part of me wants to see such a scene.
Westworld needs a parody series.
The "gunfight" in the park in S2 with the operators was basically a parody.
I don't think the writers were aware of that.
are the flies shrunk down or normal sized? I'm confused
Westworld has flies now?
The show is literally a puzzle for normal females.
Too long between seasons. By the time season 2 had come out I’d forgotten a lot of minor details and had to rewatch season 1 (which isn’t very rewatchable when you know what’s going to happen). By the time I finished my rewatch the consensus was season 2 wasn’t worth it so I didn’t really bother with it
i felt good about tonights ep. what are you on about
Season One: Decent attempt at getting a sci-fi show off the ground
Season Two: Subverting viewer expectations
Season Three: Subverting patriarchal power structures, female empowerment fantasy
Season Four: No more subversion. Bold, open belligerance, white male humiliation porn, i won't be surprised if Aaron Paul is in a cuckold scene.
They changed the plot because of Reddit
Didn't that article turn out to be just someone making things up?
>million dollar production is changing shit as it airs on a weekly basis
yeah sure
Infected with homosexuals and feminists....like 90% of everything made by the degenarate cancer from ~~*Hollywood*~~.
The best part of the show was the world building in season 1. By the time you hit episode 8, you're not seeing new stuff anymore and all you're left with is a sucky plot that wasn't that good to start with.
It died with Anthony Hopkins.
maive is a boring character, each season should be shorter, never should have left the theme park. once they left the park everything became unbounded. there was more opportunity for creativity and psychological stuff within those limits. now it feels like they are lost at sea rather than struggling to achieve something on a ship. it loses a coherent sense of tension, without constantly raising the stakes into infinity.
Incredibly bad casting, dropped it after S2E2. Chasite farmer's daughter is a 30+ year old Marylin Manson's sloppy seconds, two best prostitutes are old negress and armenian sloth, more Black folk casted in general who can't act for shit.
Go Woke Go Broke!
imagine trying to make a long-form drama about philosophical ideas and the nature of consciousness, and then subverting and openly antagonizing any prospective male viewer
women do not have the attention span for these themes and would prefer to experience the wild swings of emotion watching reality shit like married at first sight or fricking tiktok videos
Not being sexist but unironically this. Demographics exist for a reason. lol, what a clown world.
Interesting characters get sidelined for less interesting ones, and there's some serious nonsensical plot shenanigans along the way. Getting so much of Caleb and Maeve instead of Bernard for example. Or a somewhat generic (well-played by Harris, but still a bit stock) villainous MIB in place of the more complex and dynamic William. I've actually enjoyed both episodes of season 4 about ten times more than anything in season 3, but I still find the show's priorities confusing.
Maeve and Jesse are terribly annoying, but the Bernard and Stubbs pairing is not a big improvement. Bernard is a boring character and he only works in his submissive role to Ford or as a protective figure to Elsie, that's how Jeffrey Wright built the character. Watching him bossing around Stubbs aimlessly running around just doesn't work.
Anything is better than Maeve + Jesse though, even a black screen would be more tolerable.
>Bernard is a boring character
But he doesn't have to be. After season 1 the character was poised above a lot of fertile ground, but he stands around in a bewildered daze for the entirety of season 2 and is just playing catch-up for all of season 3. What's the point? It's a waste of the character as written in season 1 and it's a criminal misuse of Wright. Dolores was similarly wasted in seasons 2 and 3, though in different ways.
reading this thread it seems my strategy of stopping at the end of season 1 and forgetting this exists was completely right
i dropped it 4 episodes into the 2nd season and it seemed around average in the live threads (also have a cousin that doesn't come here that said she dropped it 3rd ep of s2)
been thinking about downloading and watching the 1st season again though
>been thinking about downloading and watching the 1st season again though
I did that a couple months ago. I was surprised how much I still liked it. Season 2 has a couple of good episodes, but I don't think it's worth slogging through.
didn't the writers say they made the story confusing and bad because redditors immediately knew about the twist in season 1?
Everything. I'm not watching this shit anymore.
Neither is anyone else, holy shit the ratings were bad for the new season premiere
i couldn't make it past the second episode back when i had hbo. frick this show was boring as frick.
i just dont think i give a shit about robots that are 'maybe' becoming human. they're fricking robots dude. at best the random number generator organizes their responses all in an attempt to appear to be as human as possible.
blade runner when that dude wrote his own poem or whatever the frick, that was closest i ever got to tricking myself into thinking "oh shit...it's learning and feeling" but even than....its a fricking robot. its doing math without the soul.
Blade Runner replicants are biological in nature though.
Also, why would it be different with quantum effects, extrapolated to the scale of a neural network such as a human brain? Aren't we based on quantum indeterminacy by the same logic?
You know the one insurmountable hurdle this show asked us to leap and pretended that it didn't? This:
>That the bulk of people working for Delos, the company responsible for creating hosts and perfecting a means of transfiguring human consciousness into an AI analog, were completely oblivious to this goal and its dangers.
In order for hosts to escape "into the wild," so to speak, that means that no one involved ever said, "Hey, given that we're creating these things with the potential for being our superiors in every conceivable way, wouldn't it be a good idea to maybe have a way of detecting them?" This is why having escaped hosts take over the company is so patently ridiculous. Everything beyond season one has us willfully ignore this idiocy.
Crichtonworld.
Not sure I follow you. If I recall correctly, Crichton's story never suggested anything other than the makers of Westworld, Futureworld, etc., all being in on it. They *wanted* to replace key people with androids under their control, knowing that no one would ever suspect. In the show, even the people *making* them are oblivious yo the potential risk.
I'm just referring to the general obliviousness characters display in his works. I agree it's a contrivance, since even the government clearly had at least a few prominent officials that suspected the body-snatching.
Ah, gotcha.
there are dead birds by this skyscrapper
has to be invisible mindcontrol waves
couldn't just be the normal fact that skyscrappers kill birds
this show is peak "what dumb people think a smart show is"
This TV Show is written like an anime.
Just shocking revelations, monologues, backstabbing, and rule of cool every 5 minutes. There's no stakes anymore, I don't even know who's a host and who's human or who should I root for aymore.
This show should've ended with the 1st season and it would have ended perfectly
I agree
Shit went downhill FAST in season 2 writing wise
>I don't even know who's a host and who's human
That is basically the point.
>DUDE ROBOTS
wow, amazing
Should have been a miniseries, season 2 lost the plot and season 3 isn't even the same show anymore.
How did William know what clothes the Senator and his wife were going to be wearing when he got his robots ready that morning
all the robots act just like human after freeing themself from acting just like humans killed it for me
they were hardly better than humans in what was shown beside plot armor
Season 1 was great
Season 2 was just mindless flailing because they were out of runway and just cobbled some shit together
Season 3 was OK, obviously a soft reboot, safer than the previous 2 seasons but OK as an interim to just get the boat steady
Season 4 however seems to have very little anchoring it to the actual plot of S3, we've got some of the same characters running around but so far there's only been a couple of allusions to the whole point of last season, which kind of diminishes it. And they haven't done a good job in the first 2 episodes of knitting together the premise for this season.
They fired any decent writers after the first season
how far off are we from getting westworld tier sex bots?
not in our lifetimes
>how far off are we from getting westworld tier sex bots?
>not in our lifetimes
Maybe sooner then we think.
honestly can't tell the difference between johansson's and the bots acting
I miss the nudity bros
How is it possible that in a 200 reply thread of a show, not a single fricking person has seen, understood, or watches the show in question.
Jesus.
i know the truth about the shrinkray
Sex robots will literally be the end of humanity, I cannot see any reason humans overcome them.
AI itself is not a problem, but sex robots will enslave all males into infertility.
Season 2 should have been the end. Season 3 had some interesting ideas, but the hosts stories should have been concluded. They should have made Season 3 a spin off, could have made it 3 seasons for a 3 part story. You could include some of the hosts that didn't go to the sublime for whatever reason, but they shouldn't be the focus.
>Season 3 - mystery box about an ethereal force (metadata/algorithms/etc) that seems to control everyone's destiny, reveal at the end Rehoboam is the cornerstone of the entire system
>Season 4 - Destroying Rehoboam and freeing the world
>Season 5 - Rebuilding after the destruction of Rehoboam
This is when I knew the character was literally me
>stop discriminating me for being a psychopath
based