What went wrong with Power Girl?

raising her popularity among existing fans while gaining new ones, an objectively net positive for any character.

Of course Power Girl 2009 made them money, it's why they're still trying to capitalize on it. Can you explain the logic in doing that for a series that didn't made them money?

Or her success with the trades too, with it ironically being the magical evergreen title that DC has driven itself in the ground trying to replicate.

But there's a greater picture then those monthly sales figures like popularity and you can't tell me that DC doesn't care about it because the truth that's the very thing they're trying to capitalize on here.

Ok how about we try to understand this simple indisputable fact: her 2009 series was talked about on cable television as a good comic while her current series having nothing of the equivalent.

Anon all I have to do is point out that the fact DC is still trying to capitalize on the 2009 Power Girl series popularity 15 years after the fact is proof enough that DC considered it to be a success.
Anyone can see that, it's an objective fact that you cannot argue against.

>Miles Morales or Kamala Khan or Carol Danvers are being forced down everyone's throats
They are, I don’t know what that has to do with anything. If Peeg was given a game, given a movie, given a show, given prime placement in every comic and got multiple solo relaunches despite sales being horrible we’d say the same about her.

Nobody has moved the goalposts, your argument is just on it's face laughable.
If the 2009 run wasn't popular then why would DC still try to be capitalizing on that today?

>forced
She’s had like 2 solos in the last 15 years. How is that “forced”?

It was a cult hit at best. The Conner issues were just above cancellation and the trade sales were mediocre. After that team left the book, it went down into "Why isn't this book cancelled yet?" numbers.

The current run has nothing to do with the Conner run. Leah even said the editor outright told her not to bother reading any previous Power Girl comics.

>The Conner issues were just above cancellation and the trade sales were mediocre.
Prove this claim

The claim doesn't matter because it focuses on monthly sales only and not trade sales.

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html
Starts in May 09 at 47,322, by issue 4 (when the orders begin to reflect actual sales) it's down to 32,106 and it ends in May 2010 at 20,681. The first trade debuted in April 2010 at 2,494 and #16 and the second trade to wrap it up was released in October 2010 at 2,329 and #26. Middling.

Cant be that bad when they achieved 27 issues even without Connor in the last half.

Who knows what Didio was thinking, maybe he figured they might as well ride it out until the New 52 rather than scramble to find a replacement title.

You know the character existed before that run right, and that the mini itself became completely irrelevant to her character with the reboot? They have trademarks to keep, use it or lose it.

Levitz's World's Finest sold more. It eventually dipped into cancellation territory, but issue 12 was selling 27,073 which is still 7000 more than the last issue of the Palmiotti/Gray/Conner run.

>Starts in May 09 at 47,322, by issue 4 (when the orders begin to reflect actual sales) it's down to 32,106 and it ends in May 2010 at 20,681. The first trade debuted in April 2010 at 2,494 and #16 and the second trade to wrap it up was released in October 2010 at 2,329 and #26. Middling.
Compare this to the current run that is below 10K and will have trade sales in the hundreds

Frick you.
I loved Divine

Nothing poor about those breasts

wonder if there's an edit where she's grabbing her boob

Did anything happen with that clone?
Did Lord use it for sex?

Alright, he kept it around for sex then.
Who wouldn't though, right?
Big lips, big breasts, and big ass.

it appeared in a couple panels for a one off valentines comic

obviously divine was saving her from a stupid mistake

they made her a dyke?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Based

Peej started burning heavy coal during the New 52. That guy looks Indian.

He’s black. He’s a Richard Ayoade lookalike.

He's halfsies, Norwegian and Nigerian.

I don’t think you do.

>Richard Ayoade
that guy is mixed as frick

Never would have happened under Carlin, DC's last good executive editor.

He was replaced by Didio who was far worse for DC and ran it into the ground. Carlin gave us Morrison/Waid/Kelly JLA, Morrison/Millar's Flash, Millar's Red Son, Waid's JLA Year One and GL and Flash: The Brave and the Bold, Loeb/Kelly/Casey Superman, No Man's Land and Rucka/Hama/Brubaker/Grayson Batman, Robinson/Goyer/Johns JSA, Johns's Stars and STRIPE and Flash, PAD's Supergirl and Young Justice, Ennis's Hitman, Ostrander's Martian Manhunter, Kevin Smith's Green Arrow, Winick's Green Lantern, and the redemption of Hal Jordan and JMD's Hal Spectre, The only time I can remember him pissing off talent was when Morrison/Waid/Peyer/Millar tried to pull their Superman coup. Millar took it in stride since he did Red Son in 2003. Waid's a big manbaby who got himself physically banned from DC's offices when Didio was in charge. No one really cares much about Peyer other than being "that guy who often co-writes with Waid." Morrison was more pissed off over the belief that DC sold him out to WB when they ripped off The Invisibles for The Matrix. "No established A-list writers on the monthly Superman and Batman monthlies" was a good policy and preferable to going all in on those two leaving scraps for everyone else.

>I doubt he could've overruled Denny O'Neil doing No Man's Land.
As the Executive Editor he outranked him. But Denny himself had tuned out. Here's Alan Grant on how the assistant editors were running the show. https://web.archive.org/web/20070510002531/https://ohdannyboy.blogspot.com/2007/01/batman-alan-grant-norm-breyfogle-speak.html
>The whole thing was created in the office by the back-up assistants. A bigger pile of shit you couldn’t hope to discover and yet it was foisted upon us.
>As I said the three Bat assistants sort of formed a triumvirate which became a barrier between writers like myself and Doug Moench and Denny who was still the senior Batman editor. More and more of their opinions were enforced. The ways they thought Batman should be were enforced. The stories they thought were good were enforced. Ideas they didn’t like, Denny wouldn’t have gotten the chance to see or hear them. I guess it was kind of like overthrowing the king or something.
>The fax was from Scott. Basically it said, “You guys are probably wondering how the Cataclysm storyline is selling. I’ve got to tell you it’s getting great reaction from the fans, retailers love it, Batman sales are up,” I’ve still got it, the original fax. I kept it because it’s an historical document because there’s so much pish contained in it, “Sales are going through the roof, they love it,” and it went on like this for half a page. I honestly was thinking the guy was leading towards the fact that it was going so well, even though you thought it was crap, it’s going so well we’re going to give you all a $10,000 bonus. When I finally got halfway down the second page it got around to saying, “What’s all this got to do with me as a Batman writer you’re asking? Well the answer is this: as of next month you will no longer be writing Batman. That’s right. You are off your title. We will be getting other writers in to take over.” They sent out the same fax to Doug Moench and Chuck Dixon.

The job attracts people who power trip and love to assert their authority and force their own tastes. The way those editors handled that situation was terribly inconsiderate, but I'm torn because I also loved the Rucka/Grayson/Brubaker era and Grant/Dixon/Moench had been on the bat-books for nearly a decade so it would have been courteous of them to step aside and let other people get their turn to write the Batman on-goings. The best you can hope for is a power tripping editor with great taste because the ones who don't give enough of a damn to meddle can also result in bad books.

Didn't say, but that guy does come across as a very socially left lib.

So is Omen the type to watch them frick, or the type to have a threeway with PG and her date?

>I've had lots of practice.
You've lived on Earth for DECADES

Shots that Superman hasn't destroyed? None.

I always thought it was a tremendous shame that we never got at least one JLU episode with Galatea being redeemed.

She was a poor mans Galatea.

Nothing poor about those breasts

Only way to salvage this entire "Paige" debacle is by revealing she's Divine with her boobs expanding to a G Cup right then and there.

It wasn't so low as to be a money loser and some revenue is better than none.

>Leah even said the editor outright told her not to bother reading any previous Power Girl comics.

https://www.dc.com/blog/2024/03/29/leah-williams-reveals-the-meaning-of-power-girl-s-new-name
>“I have to fully credit my editor Brittany Holzherr with Omen,” Williams says. “I was on the phone with Brittany and Paul Kaminski…[and] we discussed the fact that Power Girl needed a foil, a partner. We were all silent on the phone for a moment, and then Brittany said, ‘What's Omen up to right now?’ And then Paul and I gasped at the same time because it clicked so well. Power Girl is super traumatized, and Omen is a former counselor. She knows how to navigate these things uniquely as a hero.”

>Brittany Holzherr
Sounds like this might be the feminazi who has an issue with the Conner/Palmiotti run, then. What else does she edit?

>The Conner issues were just above cancellation and the trade sales were mediocre.
Prove this claim

Cant be that bad when they achieved 27 issues even without Connor in the last half.

Amen!

Deetz on the convo?

The twins have been around for several years and that anon didn’t know about them so I don’t know if I’d believe them about anything

Is there anyone at all who doesn't agree with priest on that?

STOP TRYING TO GASLIGHT ME DC.
There's two good reason why no one ever got PG and Kara mixed up and it's their differing personalities and life experinces.

A PROTAGONIST IS A ROLE THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WOTH HERO/VILLAIN LET ALONE MEMEPHRASE COMBINATIONS OF THE TWO YOU STUPID FRICKING ZOOMER

She's been told not to engage with any prior appearances of the character, so she's just going off the most superficial context clues. I can't see that being a winning strategy, but then I'm not a DC exec.

Comics could be so much cheaper if they cut just three or so people from that list. Why not just hire cartoonists who also letter their own work. Jesus Christ these people are so fricking lazy. No wonder facial expressions rarely match what’s being spoken in balloons.

With well-managed lead time they could easily achieve this.

We're in late-stage DC.

comic book movies might have been the worst thing to happen to comics.