The Boys gaining superpowers better than 99% of superheroes in the second chapter. It's kind of hollow to claim that the Boys win due to better planning or training when any one of them could give Homelander a run for his money and every plan they make is 'just punch them, we have superpowers.'
>when any one of them could give Homelander a run for his money
You picked literally the only supes the Bous explicitly can't hope to do shit against because he's just a power tier above.
I mean, they certainly SAY that he's a tier above a lot. That is something they do.
I'm just saying, when Butcher beats the second strongest superhero in the setting and his entire team, barehanded, while ambushed, he IS the tier above in terms of power. Guy marches into the whitehouse with a crowbar to fight Homelander.
>Guy marches into the whitehouse with a crowbar to fight Homelander.
I thought the implication there was that it was attempted suicide by superhero so he wouldn't have to go through with his masterplan
They revealed Queen Maeve has fake breasts.
Why? The Seven are all vat-grown specific for their purpose. Are we to believe they can engineer a living god like Homelander but somehow can't control for big breasts?
Are the Seven vat-grown? They were willing to just introduce some random new girl when Lamplighter was killed; I just assumed that everyone except Homelander was picked because they were the most popular.
It's stated I believe when you get the Homelander backstory. Plus you have the identical clones in the coda in the last issue that Stillwell dismisses as a bad product.
>Plus you have the identical clones in the coda in the last issue that Stillwell dismisses as a bad product
I don't think those were clones, the only explicit one he called out was the only (?) one who hadn't actually died. But maybe I'm misinterpreting the sequence, I didn't recognize any of the others off the bat.
The originals Seven are vat-growns, yes. Vought long-running tradition of cutting corners means that now that they were an established brand it's easy to keep them topped up with new recruits they find in less famous teams.
It goes on for way to long. It could've been a great frick you to superhero books but the bit of "look what edgy parody of a popular big 2 hero the guys meet now" gets old rather quick. If the series was cut down to like a 12 issue mini I feel like the story could've been told better.
Overly masturbatory with some really stupid shit included, like the overall shape of the story, enjoy the ending but some of that middle crap is just godawful.
Despite all the cruft, the final bit with Hughie and Butcher is great, especially the whole breakdown of Butcher's self destructive Punisher complex. Even the "Bad Product" is great. Not even the seemingly unflappable corporate man can escape the nihilism of the story, which ends happily enough frankly. Haven't gotten around the recent, ish, epilog though.
The epilogue kind of ruins the 'bad product' moment by having Stillwell suffer a complete mental breakdown moments later, strip naked, and run into the woods for the next ten years while ranting about pineapples and 'the economic unit.'
Because Ennis hates subtlety.
Sounds dumb, but I don't know. I should reread the series, but something I appreciated about it, thematically, was its destruction of the concept of sacredness. Of purity. Of the divine. Almost everything and everyone in the comic has some amount humiliating, pathetic, or just down right sad shit done to them. It's certainly shock value and vulgar humor, but to me it creates the sense that there's really nothing to be relied on in some sort of external, moral, deeply meaningful way.
And that, through all of this, a character as shat on and humiliated and jerked around as Hughie finds some semblance of peace and meaning. Hell, thinking about it right now, the last issue has is a montage of seemingly above it all people being taken down a peg while Hughie, the 2nd biggest butt monkey in the story, gets to come across as cool as a cucumber. The biggest butt monkey also gets his last laugh too. I don't think you get the story I was surprised to find myself reading without Ennis being a bit of a c**t who doesn't do subtlety. Or at least doesn't apply it as widely as we'd like.
This implies something went right with The Boys at one point or another.
The Boys gaining superpowers better than 99% of superheroes in the second chapter. It's kind of hollow to claim that the Boys win due to better planning or training when any one of them could give Homelander a run for his money and every plan they make is 'just punch them, we have superpowers.'
>when any one of them could give Homelander a run for his money
You picked literally the only supes the Bous explicitly can't hope to do shit against because he's just a power tier above.
I could beat him.
I mean, they certainly SAY that he's a tier above a lot. That is something they do.
I'm just saying, when Butcher beats the second strongest superhero in the setting and his entire team, barehanded, while ambushed, he IS the tier above in terms of power. Guy marches into the whitehouse with a crowbar to fight Homelander.
>Guy marches into the whitehouse with a crowbar to fight Homelander.
I thought the implication there was that it was attempted suicide by superhero so he wouldn't have to go through with his masterplan
They revealed Queen Maeve has fake breasts.
Why? The Seven are all vat-grown specific for their purpose. Are we to believe they can engineer a living god like Homelander but somehow can't control for big breasts?
Are the Seven vat-grown? They were willing to just introduce some random new girl when Lamplighter was killed; I just assumed that everyone except Homelander was picked because they were the most popular.
It's stated I believe when you get the Homelander backstory. Plus you have the identical clones in the coda in the last issue that Stillwell dismisses as a bad product.
>Plus you have the identical clones in the coda in the last issue that Stillwell dismisses as a bad product
I don't think those were clones, the only explicit one he called out was the only (?) one who hadn't actually died. But maybe I'm misinterpreting the sequence, I didn't recognize any of the others off the bat.
this panel was literally a punch at what marvel and DC were doing in this period since 2012 was New52
The originals Seven are vat-growns, yes. Vought long-running tradition of cutting corners means that now that they were an established brand it's easy to keep them topped up with new recruits they find in less famous teams.
It goes on for way to long. It could've been a great frick you to superhero books but the bit of "look what edgy parody of a popular big 2 hero the guys meet now" gets old rather quick. If the series was cut down to like a 12 issue mini I feel like the story could've been told better.
How much worse would it have been had it been published by Avatar Press?
Garth Ennis is a cringe edgelord homosexual
Filtered
yeah i filter his garbage shit edge-lord homosexualry from good taste
Overly masturbatory with some really stupid shit included, like the overall shape of the story, enjoy the ending but some of that middle crap is just godawful.
Zoomers reading the works of and seething over Ennis is fricking hilarious
Ennis was always a homosexual its the Zoomers who suck his dick
>pic rel
>What went wrong with The Boys?
The TV show.
Ennis needs to take his self inserts advice
Garth Ennis lost all his talent somehow while writing it.
Despite all the cruft, the final bit with Hughie and Butcher is great, especially the whole breakdown of Butcher's self destructive Punisher complex. Even the "Bad Product" is great. Not even the seemingly unflappable corporate man can escape the nihilism of the story, which ends happily enough frankly. Haven't gotten around the recent, ish, epilog though.
The epilogue kind of ruins the 'bad product' moment by having Stillwell suffer a complete mental breakdown moments later, strip naked, and run into the woods for the next ten years while ranting about pineapples and 'the economic unit.'
Because Ennis hates subtlety.
>subtlety good
>subtlety bad
Sounds dumb, but I don't know. I should reread the series, but something I appreciated about it, thematically, was its destruction of the concept of sacredness. Of purity. Of the divine. Almost everything and everyone in the comic has some amount humiliating, pathetic, or just down right sad shit done to them. It's certainly shock value and vulgar humor, but to me it creates the sense that there's really nothing to be relied on in some sort of external, moral, deeply meaningful way.
And that, through all of this, a character as shat on and humiliated and jerked around as Hughie finds some semblance of peace and meaning. Hell, thinking about it right now, the last issue has is a montage of seemingly above it all people being taken down a peg while Hughie, the 2nd biggest butt monkey in the story, gets to come across as cool as a cucumber. The biggest butt monkey also gets his last laugh too. I don't think you get the story I was surprised to find myself reading without Ennis being a bit of a c**t who doesn't do subtlety. Or at least doesn't apply it as widely as we'd like.
It was never good
I find it interesting how people who hates ennis are marvelgays and wolvercucks