What went wrong with this character?
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What went wrong with this character?
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Edgy hacks like Lee Bermejo and Scott Snyder taking all the wrong cues from Killing Joke.
Well that version of him was never all that funny.
Really? I thought they did his petty side really well.
writers keep trying to one up the dark knight joker, thus losing his original appeal
In my opinion, overstayed his welcome and became more "flanderized" overtime as massive terrorist. He essentially became DC's version of Rick Sanchez, where he just pointlessly murders shit a genocides 80 percent of Gotham, just because.
I think the issue is, that they've genuinely run out of ideas of things to do with him, and his existence kind of shows how shitty maintaining the status quo of comics is. I mean, why should we really care if some other guy is going to nuke Gotham or some bullshit, apparently they breed like rabbits or are as durable as wienerroaches since the Joker casually kills twice the amount of people living in the state of Manhattan almost on a daily basis. It also ruins Batman by extension because, he just comes off as an overly obsessed lunatic with a toxic "girlfriend" that he refuses to break up with because reasons. That is the Batman and Joker relationship
that sums it up perfectly
I think the issue is he works when Batman is in a bubble. Just dealing with shit around town, some jackass with a clown motif and some goons is enough to work. The problem is Batman is a street level hero. He drives a fricking car around for Christ's sake.
You can't promote someone like that to the justice league where country and planet sized threats are the norm and then pretend patrolling the streets of Gotham is even in the same ballpark. But then his most recognizable enemy can't just not make an appearance, so he gets leveled up to this weird existential threat who can actually dance with the likes of Darkseid, and for some reason powers levels get sticky, so he never really goes back down to just a weird street thug. He's just some sort of hyper competent genius with a clown fetish, which I guess tracks because he counters a hyper competent genius with a bat fetish.
>, so he gets leveled up to this weird existential threat who can actually dance with the likes of Darkseid
Has this actually happened? How?
Batman Who Laughs, something something multiverse. I'd argue Injustice. Wasn't even thinking of it, but googling Joker vs Darkseid turned up Emperor Joker, so that happened at one point.
Christopher Nolan
Odd spelling of "Alan Moore"
This. More specifically, it's probably because Heath Ledger's passing artificially inflated the reception of his performance to the point where everyone who writes the Joker since has to base him on le agent of chaos and make him increasingly more of an edgy psychopath.
>his best incarnations are the problem
Weird.
TDK Joker is bottom-mid tier at best. Worse versions have followed, but he is the root cause of most of them.
>the best incarnations are actually some of the worst
Even weirder.
Alan Moore version isn't an new incarnation, it's just old school comic Joker but poorly written.
When he became overused, Joker was at his best in the Death In The Family to pre-No Man's Land era when felt like an actual big villain threat like it's wild to think Joker was barely used in the comics around that time even with the big movie and the cartoon, he lost that sense of arch rival once they kept using him.
Joker was in one printed issue in 1989......when the movie was being hyped...that's wild.
>only 75 cents for one issue
And Cinemaphile will still argue that it's "wokeness" that's killing comics.
He's the best known Batman villain so they had to scale him up to match Batwank.
Adjusted for inflation, that's still only $1.86. A modern issue is almost three times as expensive and much harder to find to boot since you could have found the 1989 issue in a magazine rack at a grocery store or Walmart.
So completely unaffordable for families making less than $70k/year? Gotcha.
They stopped treating him like a funny clown gangster and into a homicidal demigod that batman will stop the universe from killing
morons point to his original incarnation being a serial killer based on The Man Who Laughs with him only softening in the Silver Age thanks to CCA mandates, but ignore that he was softened very quickly after his debut because le funny criminal prankster was a more legitimate long-term character than an actual psychopathic threat. "Man Who Laughs" Joker is about as relevant to the character as purple gloves Batman who uses guns.
batman is addicted to the hairy green clownhole
I gotta ask was Joker ever introduced as Batman's other half from inception? He seem like just another rogue until writers really edged him up.
I think he became that because he was Batman first real super villain, everyone before was kinda throwaway and pluppy Joker actually felt like a character who could keep showing up.
Will it ever be his turn?
>Old Joker
>"HAHAHA, I PUT BOMBS IN TWO PARTS OF THE CITY VERY FAR AWAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET TO BOTH? HAHAHAHA"
>Modern Joker
>"HAHAHAHA, USING MY CRAZZZZZY POWER, I CAN FLY TO MARS BATS, HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT AHAHAHA, NOW THAT DARKSEID IS MY LOYAL MINION, I HAVE BEATEN YOU"
lack of rape
Not volcel enough
With TAS? Nothing.
Frankly since i am following the White Knight thread right now, that Joker is depressive for he is TAS Two-Face and Killing Joke origin but better.
And even he knew he couldn't be saved because not even batman giving him a second chance and healing him couldn't stop the clown.
super super christmas twisted the batman theme backwards
he stopped being funny
Harley's done pretty bad for him in the long run.
They made him gay