The world would be a better place. BUT only if Jon kent stayed around and ONLY as a straight young boy. Then we have damian and Jon both as kids and damian gets put in his place earlier in life and everyone wins.
Technically Chris was sent back into the Phantom Zone after getting aged up, becoming Nightwing, getting a girlfriend, then getting de-aged and sent back.
I am implying there are no non-shit writers available in the Western market, and thus a no-shit-writers policy means DC can't hire anyone, and thus publishes no comics
Then find non-shit writers from somewhere in the world and make it worth their while to write for DC. They don’t even have to live in the US with technology as it is. There’s no rule you need to have all your writers live in the West; hell, it might be better if they don’t.
That would be “problematic” because all the shitty writers are LBGT, women, black and/or trans.
I am implying there are no non-shit writers available in the Western market, and thus a no-shit-writers policy means DC can't hire anyone, and thus publishes no comics
There are hundreds. They don’t want them.
That's just bullshit. There are many great writers but they won't touch comics.
This isn’t true either. DC and Marvel just specifically hire people who skew a certain way on sociopolitical issues.
I’m genuinely so sick of both of these meme opinions by morons unwilling to accept reality.
This is the correct answer.
Post-crisis fans need to just let it go. Not even pre-crisis fans were stubborn enough to expect their history would ever become the main continuity again over 10 years later.
Honest question, CRETINS...as someone who's been out of the loop for literally decades, has the Superman from Earth-1 (pre-Crisis) ever made any sort of return, albeit briefly, or has he and his history been entirely sponged from existence for the better part of 40 years?
That's pretty surprising to me, considering how many times DC has backtracked on reboots. I get that the character and lore was in need of updating, but it's also kind of sad that decades' worth of history and lore was completely wiped out.
Doesn't matter much because any time they reboot they take the old stories and tell worse versions of them instead of coming up with new ideas and villains. If you liked a certain era, just reread those stories or compromise with yourself and read the new shit understanding that it's its own thing.
That's pretty surprising to me, considering how many times DC has backtracked on reboots. I get that the character and lore was in need of updating, but it's also kind of sad that decades' worth of history and lore was completely wiped out.
PreCrisis Earth has been restored, but it hasn't been explored. Whatever Happened isn't necessarily canon to it, it was an imaginary story after all.
Depends what you mean. There’s definitely a world resembling the Bronze Age DC where COIE never happened (Clark as a TV newsman, headband Supergirl, John Stewart with the domino mask, ect.) but it hasn’t been explored much. Also, they had the post-Crisis Linda Danvers somehow travel to the pre-DC and have a kid with Kal-El.
It would be the Justice League: The Synder Cut of the DC comics. DC was already going to shit pre-Flashpoint. Post-Final Crisis was when it basically felt like DC gave up and decided to phone it in since that's probably when DC decided to reboot.
So I'm going about this from the context of if Flashpoint didn't reset anything but realistically it wouldn't have been much better. Dick would be Batman up till Damian's death most likely, Barry would unironically suck even more as the main Flash because he'd just be the boring old guy in a world that's well past his era of heroes.
Loved Dick and Damian as Batman and Robin and Barry as the man out of time. Much better than what we have now and it’s not even close. But, to be fair, what came after Flashpoint was also better than what we have now.
At least there was some driving idea behind the New52 reboot. Granted, it got derailed almost immediately once Grant Morrison and Gail Simone started throwing tantrums, but they were trying to go somewhere with this. By comparison, everything after Infinite Frontier is a mess, with DC just throwing shit at the wall with no rhyme or reason, hoping something will stick.
You’re preaching to the choir, I loved Morrison’s Action Comics and wanted to see him on the title for longer. I just think most long-term fans probably prefer the pre-Flashpoint era.
>I just think most long-term fans probably prefer the pre-Flashpoint era.
Sure, but how much of it is the era being good and how much of it is nostalgia is a different matter. In the Final Crisis years, lot of books weren't really going anywhere (like, dunno, Birds of Prey) and you could feel that the DC universe is about to slam the wall.
Morrison’s action comics is a dreadful ongoing it only works as an alternate universe version which all of New 52 should be definitely designated.the problem with rebirth was them refusing to do that because Snyder and his homosexual friends complained.
Every new universe is an alternate universe. Just another new take just like Secret Origins, Birthright, Man of Steel, Action Comics #500, Superman #146, and Action Comics #1.
To be fair, Morrison was entitled to be pissed, he'd spend all that time setting up Batman Inc and Multiversity and then they just shit all over his plans.
Wasn't Superman pre flashpoint doing his "walking across America" thing because he was upset about some social issue? Then I remember in the Titans franchise Roy became a super druggy and Deathstroke lost his other eye.
DC is now a quantum state where anyone can remember everything that happened in previous continuities and it's up to individual writer/editors to determine which canon they want to follow when something's contradictory.
what were the brightest day plot threads? ronnie/jason firestorm was on a countdown about to explode, deadman was dead again after the white entity used him, swamp thing was actually alec holland, hawkgirl turned into an air elemental? I can't remember, but there was a bit to work with that simply vanished in n52
I'd imagine they'd get an increase in sales briefly and then blow it like usual, also their quality of writers has gone downhill since 2010/2011
They won’t completely, because that would age up Tim Drake’s generation to be in their 20s.
The. There’s the whole Shazam family. DC will never allow Billy Batson to become an adult because that blurs the line between Billy/Captain Marvel/Shazam.
The world would be a better place. BUT only if Jon kent stayed around and ONLY as a straight young boy. Then we have damian and Jon both as kids and damian gets put in his place earlier in life and everyone wins.
You can have Jon around. Just do a retcon where Kal and Lois had a kid shortly after they got married, around the same time as Damian was born. Easy.
And don’t let anyone make him gay.
Jon didn't exist in pre Flashpoint. Chris Kent was Clark and Lois' son.
Technically Chris was sent back into the Phantom Zone after getting aged up, becoming Nightwing, getting a girlfriend, then getting de-aged and sent back.
>BUT only if Jon kent stayed around and ONLY as a straight young boy.
Would inform you that I’m well aware of this, moron.
i really liked flashpoint beyond.
DC would still only hire shit writers to write garbage stories
Just have a no-shit writers policy.
>DC Comics Faces Record-Low Earnings After Publishing Zero New Comics
???
I am implying there are no non-shit writers available in the Western market, and thus a no-shit-writers policy means DC can't hire anyone, and thus publishes no comics
Then find non-shit writers from somewhere in the world and make it worth their while to write for DC. They don’t even have to live in the US with technology as it is. There’s no rule you need to have all your writers live in the West; hell, it might be better if they don’t.
That's just bullshit. There are many great writers but they won't touch comics.
Seriously anon
That would be “problematic” because all the shitty writers are LBGT, women, black and/or trans.
There are hundreds. They don’t want them.
This isn’t true either. DC and Marvel just specifically hire people who skew a certain way on sociopolitical issues.
I’m genuinely so sick of both of these meme opinions by morons unwilling to accept reality.
This is the correct answer.
Post-crisis fans need to just let it go. Not even pre-crisis fans were stubborn enough to expect their history would ever become the main continuity again over 10 years later.
Honest question, CRETINS...as someone who's been out of the loop for literally decades, has the Superman from Earth-1 (pre-Crisis) ever made any sort of return, albeit briefly, or has he and his history been entirely sponged from existence for the better part of 40 years?
No, the book was pretty definitively closed on him with Whatever Happened and DC has fortunately never tried to dig him up
That's pretty surprising to me, considering how many times DC has backtracked on reboots. I get that the character and lore was in need of updating, but it's also kind of sad that decades' worth of history and lore was completely wiped out.
a lot of his stuff has gotten folded back into continuity anyway
On the plus side, would you want a character as pure as the Earth-One Kal-El to be touched by the current regime?
Doesn't matter much because any time they reboot they take the old stories and tell worse versions of them instead of coming up with new ideas and villains. If you liked a certain era, just reread those stories or compromise with yourself and read the new shit understanding that it's its own thing.
PreCrisis Earth has been restored, but it hasn't been explored. Whatever Happened isn't necessarily canon to it, it was an imaginary story after all.
Depends what you mean. There’s definitely a world resembling the Bronze Age DC where COIE never happened (Clark as a TV newsman, headband Supergirl, John Stewart with the domino mask, ect.) but it hasn’t been explored much. Also, they had the post-Crisis Linda Danvers somehow travel to the pre-DC and have a kid with Kal-El.
*pre-Crisis DC
It would be the Justice League: The Synder Cut of the DC comics. DC was already going to shit pre-Flashpoint. Post-Final Crisis was when it basically felt like DC gave up and decided to phone it in since that's probably when DC decided to reboot.
It's not like pre-Flashpoint DC was amazing. It was a shitshow in its own right.
And no, you wouldn't be getting Cassandra Cain back, drop it.
I don’t care about Cassandra Cain or the weird cult around female Bat-Family members.
>It's not like pre-Flashpoint DC was amazing
96-08 outside of event shit only casuals read was one of their best periods ever.
So I'm going about this from the context of if Flashpoint didn't reset anything but realistically it wouldn't have been much better. Dick would be Batman up till Damian's death most likely, Barry would unironically suck even more as the main Flash because he'd just be the boring old guy in a world that's well past his era of heroes.
Loved Dick and Damian as Batman and Robin and Barry as the man out of time. Much better than what we have now and it’s not even close. But, to be fair, what came after Flashpoint was also better than what we have now.
At least there was some driving idea behind the New52 reboot. Granted, it got derailed almost immediately once Grant Morrison and Gail Simone started throwing tantrums, but they were trying to go somewhere with this. By comparison, everything after Infinite Frontier is a mess, with DC just throwing shit at the wall with no rhyme or reason, hoping something will stick.
You’re preaching to the choir, I loved Morrison’s Action Comics and wanted to see him on the title for longer. I just think most long-term fans probably prefer the pre-Flashpoint era.
>I just think most long-term fans probably prefer the pre-Flashpoint era.
Sure, but how much of it is the era being good and how much of it is nostalgia is a different matter. In the Final Crisis years, lot of books weren't really going anywhere (like, dunno, Birds of Prey) and you could feel that the DC universe is about to slam the wall.
Morrison’s action comics is a dreadful ongoing it only works as an alternate universe version which all of New 52 should be definitely designated.the problem with rebirth was them refusing to do that because Snyder and his homosexual friends complained.
Every new universe is an alternate universe. Just another new take just like Secret Origins, Birthright, Man of Steel, Action Comics #500, Superman #146, and Action Comics #1.
To be fair, Morrison was entitled to be pissed, he'd spend all that time setting up Batman Inc and Multiversity and then they just shit all over his plans.
You mean Rebirth?
Wasn't Superman pre flashpoint doing his "walking across America" thing because he was upset about some social issue? Then I remember in the Titans franchise Roy became a super druggy and Deathstroke lost his other eye.
Anon.. we are back pre-flashpoint.
really?
Yes, and it blows hard.
DC is now a quantum state where anyone can remember everything that happened in previous continuities and it's up to individual writer/editors to determine which canon they want to follow when something's contradictory.
That’s not even remotely true. Why lie?
No, not really. Not even a little bit. Quite literally not at all.
what were the brightest day plot threads? ronnie/jason firestorm was on a countdown about to explode, deadman was dead again after the white entity used him, swamp thing was actually alec holland, hawkgirl turned into an air elemental? I can't remember, but there was a bit to work with that simply vanished in n52
I'd imagine they'd get an increase in sales briefly and then blow it like usual, also their quality of writers has gone downhill since 2010/2011
They won’t completely, because that would age up Tim Drake’s generation to be in their 20s.
The. There’s the whole Shazam family. DC will never allow Billy Batson to become an adult because that blurs the line between Billy/Captain Marvel/Shazam.
>Shazam family
Shouldn’t be a fricking thing. Billy Mary (his biological sister) and Freddy is all you need.