What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker? HEATgays managed to bring about a Green Lantern renaissance, can miracles happen twice for Spiderman's sake?
What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker?
What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker? HEATgays managed to bring about a Green Lantern renaissance, can miracles happen twice for Spiderman's sake?
>What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker?
HEAT stopped buying GL because Emerald Twilight fricked up not just Hal Jordan, buy Kyle Rayner too because it ruined the dynamics of the Green Lantern Corps and it showed when the sales went down in the shitter. The bad news for Spider-Man is that he's a popular product thanks to the movies, meaning he will always sell despite the subpar quality of the comics.
>hanks to the movies,
That would mean that movie popularity leads to comic sales which we know is not true.
Clearly you haven't been paying attention to the secondary market then. Every time an IP gets a movie or tv series or animated series or whatever, ALL of the key issues of that comic book character jumps by a sizeable, trackable amount. Similarly, if ever something bad/dumb/unpopular happens in the main title of a character, all their key issues suffer for it.
More than a decade ago, I bought a Spiderman 129, CGC'ed as a 9.6 for $1200.
Then Dakken beheads Frank and we get that godawful Frankencastle storyline and my investment tanks.
Then there's another movie and a Netflix series and it jumps through the roof.
No one cares about worthless nowadays floppies being worth $6 instead of $4. If it's what you like, you'll buy it. If you don't want it at $6, you wouldn't magically want it at $4 either.
Outside media to comic books ALWAYS impacts the price points of any comic book that isn't on today's comic book store shelves. Collectors are fickle.
Frankly, it would take the entirety of Marvel moving on from One More Day to accomplish it, whether it's letting Peter Parker finally remarry Mary Jane, or letting Mary Jane Watson and Peter Parker fully exit each other's lives so that they can get back to being functional adults and Peter can actually move on with his life. Cause despite being a fan of Peter and MJ, I'm 100% okay if he ultimately doesn't get the redhead, just as long as he actually gets on with his fricking life already.
And that ain't going to happen cause Marvel somehow refuses to ever back down on One More Day being a massive mistake and will probably bankrupt themselves before ever letting themselves admit it.
First will only happen when breevort leaves and second would never happen. Their philosophy needs mj around.
>or letting Mary Jane Watson and Peter Parker fully exit each other's lives so that they can get back to being functional adults and Peter can actually move on with his life. Cause despite being a fan of Peter and MJ, I'm 100% okay if he ultimately doesn't get the redhead, just as long as he actually gets on with his fricking life already.
I would actually be 100% down for this. I don't even care about MJ anymore because she hasn't been written as a proper character in years, merely as bait for the readers and for Peter himself.
All I want is for Peter Parker to act like a proper fricking adult again.
Anon, we literally had whole BND without Mary Jane. No, Peter won’t become adult if they split them apart entirely. Repent, remarry, put the Shooter back in charge.
Que the shooter quote.
The thing you need to understand about HEAT is that Emerald Twilight happened in 1994.
I don't know if you were alive then but those were still the early days of dial up internet. In other words, there weren't really social media sites to magnify outrage, there weren't algorithms to interpret it, there weren't outragegays monetizing it, and perhaps most importantly there were bot armies to echo sentiment.
HEATgays expressed their discontent with actual physical letters sent over snail mail. They mobilized in a way that just isn't done anymore. That had a much bigger footprint and impact than nerd outrage today, which is just a couple chucklefricks on X and their armies of people clicking retweet.
Moreover, there wasn't a culture wars aspect for HEAT. It was pretty much just "not muh Hal this writing sucks". It had a certain purity of intent to it. By all means, hate the current writing of Spider-man and how Peter Parker is getting treated. I honestly 100% do not read the books to know. BUT when half the complaints that outside observers see are about "wokeness" and how the problem is actually that a black spider-man exists or that you had to play as Mary Jane for a bit in the video game, that's not a good look for your cause. It makes it too easy for people to just assume you're a bigot and the problem isn't that Peter is a cuck or whatever.
They also almost bombed dc. And the spiderman thing has been going since 2008. It has dick all to do with wokeness
Like I said anons I haven't read the books consistently since OMD so I can't speak to their quality. The last thing I read starring Peter that I liked was Life Story and maybe that one book with the invincible artist where he got hit with a ray and got split into Peter and Spider-man. Everything else has looked like it sucked enough for me to ignore it.
But the thing is that doesn't actually matter. Because the tone of the arguments put forth is such that they can be dismissed in a way that HEAT couldn't. Enough people hyperfocus on shit like Miles as the root of all problems that it's become a vocal minority.
Again, (since i know someone's gonna catch feelings about this) I'm not saying ALL Spider-man fans that are unhappy with how the franchise is going are racist or sexist or culture warriors. Not even most. Capeshit in general sucks these days and there's a lot of legitimate reasons to hate it.
But ENOUGH people are in it for the culture wars that this vocal minority is able to discredit everybody else.
For you anon, I'll frame it like this. The current run of Amazing Spider-Man is so bad for reasons entirely unrelated to the traditional culture wars that traditional shill websites like Reddit and CBR have been screaming that the books are broken and seriously in need of repair. That's how seriously Marvel has broken the collective fandom's trust, and without a single mention of Miles Morales for kilometers.
https://www.cbr.com/spiderman-comics-necessary-changes-solutions/
There is something disgusting about them turning on Marvel after it started to fall off the box office.
Man, Marvel Adventures was a fun read
People have hated OMD long before gamergate blew up
Marvel should've been receiving death threats every single day non-stop after OMD was printed and sent to stores
Another thing that just occurred to me is that when HEAT happened it was in the middle of the collapse of the comic book market. Publishers were getting shuttered left and right so a group of people saying "fix this book or we walk" would've had an outsized influence brought on by market forces.
I smell a collapse or bubble burst coming in a few years at the rate disney's been oversaturating the market with capeshit media anyway. If disney actually faces the red, would launching a HEAT equivalent campaign in that time period actually work?
>If disney actually faces the red, would launching a HEAT equivalent campaign in that time period actually work?
The editors and writers would get twitter to attack them.
Media is not books.
>you had to play as Mary Jane for a bit in the video game
I mean, people hated Bruce Banner sections in Ang Lee Hulk videogame, this has nothing to do with culture wars. People just find playing as powerless civilians in their superhero videogames to be boring. Anyway it's hardly a complaint that usually gets brought up regarding the state of Spider-Man.
>I mean, people hated Bruce Banner sections in Ang Lee Hulk videogame, this has nothing to do with culture wars.
It does when it's framed in the issue being that MJ has a vegana and isn't hot enough.
She really isn't. Game MJ would be cute IRL but MJ isn't a Lois Lane knockoff. She's a funny supermodel. I don't normally complain about face scans of average looking women in video games but in this case it's absolutely correct because it's wrong for her character any frick any movie casuals or redditor sony homosexuals that don't like it being said.
Nobody liked playing as MJ, and it destroys the pacing of the game by having it come to a grinding halt whenever her sections come up. She was also a massive c**t in that game that gets rewarded for throwing herself into danger for stupid reasons.
Yeah she was a bit of a weak link there.
But I also don't think this one is expressly political, since people on both sides of the culture war agree "spider-man is ass rn".
>that's not a good look for your cause
Its impossible to get a "good look" because people will assume "bigotry" anyways. You had a decade to understand this.
Fire the entire Spiderman editorial and pretend the latest years in the comics never happened.
Marvel knows but they are too cowards to deliver
>What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker?
Marvel going bankrupt and one anon drawing and writing his own spiderman but with black cat and MJ hooters.
Make a movie where Peter isn’t a fricking dork.
As if the comics actually matter.
Make Peter a chad again like in the 80s
Pete being a chad was the default starting from his creation. Once the geeks started writing him, he became a loser.
>What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker?
OMD being undone, everything post OMD being declared non-canon shit from an alternate timeline (616.66), and a return to competent jerkass Pete
Spiderman needs like a 20 year break or some shit. They have been pumping out spiderman shit left and right for two decades now.
Because Spider-Man sells. He's the most popular superhero in the world.
I would kill every Spider character that isn't Peter. No exceptions. Every additional spider family character makes Peter just that much more unimportant, that much less unique or interesting. Multiverse shit really scuffed up the veneer of cool for an every day average Joe doing his best characterization. Only Peter Parker can be Spiderman. No other Spider-man characters. No spider girls. No spider women. No spider kids. No spider pigs. Nothing. Just Peter. Just friendly neighbourhood Spiderman. Just broke, unemployed, bad luck having, kicked while he's already down Peter. The reader needs to see themselves in Peter to experience the elation when Spiderman works towards a victory up ending a criminal enterprise or beating a supervillain.
After this, undo OMD.
The central premise from the earliest days of Spiderman had always been Peter wanted to get the girl. So let h finally get the girl and keep the girl. Goddamn.
Then I'd kill all the titles except Amazing and Sensational with monly release instead of bimonthly or biweekly. Make people want it again instead of flooding it and hoping something catches on.
DC tried to do this shit with Flash and GL and it backfired badly
Because people and HEAT wanted Hal and Wally back
Wanting characters back is one thing when you can promote them to their own titles and their own stories and have them creatively be entirely separate from the IP they were originated from.
Cramming them into the main IP over and over and over and over, all the time, across the entire family of titles is just annoying and it takes away from so many better things. I don't need 50 Miles Morales cameos or appearances in Amazing to be just that much so reminded that "he's a Spiderman too". Like I get it. Diversity. Inclusion. Fine, whatever. He has his own title. Keep him there. Amazing is Peter Parker. Keep it this way.
Another reboot. Boring. No sense of the future. Trying to recapture the magic of the original. Except you don't realize that the original stories still aren't outdated, and still very readable to this day.
They're outdated in that there's a lot of 60s slang and references in it. They'll completely fly over the head of anyone reading it these days. That and ignorance of how certain shit works so it ends up just being magic bullshit.
Doesn't have to be a reboot. Could be something like a mass extinction event that Peter and MJ survive, and they agree to forge ahead together from that point on.
Creatively, there's all kinds of ways and reasons to start eliminating side characters permanently. I'm not suggesting fridges for each of them, or a Red Wedding situation, but there's too many spiders in the web. Any attention on other side characters is less time spent on Peter doing normie things that endear him to most people, and less time on Spiderman to inspire and elate most people. Peter Parker is Spiderman. Spiderman is Peter Parker. This dichotomy is an absolute and should be inviolate.
Can spider ham stay? Leave the poor ham alone. Also Peter not be unemployed. At least let the fricker do something with that science degree of his.
I think focusing on the science thing is always lame, its both personal and everytime we've tried the new supporting cast tied to that is lacking.
I'm not asking to focus on science stuff, I'm just asking him to use it t get a decent job and do spiderman stuff at night and days off
I think science editor or teacher are probably the best usage of it.
Yeah or some type of clinical technician. While still selling pics of himself as spiderman
>While still selling pics of himself as spiderman
Enough of that. It's done.
Thing is peter hasnt sold pics of himself since 2010. Its been 13 years.
And? Newspapers are over. And pictures are worth less than video. They could've updated the Daily Bugle to be a news network with Pete as the cameraman, but they missed their window.
I think the unemployed thing, or going from job to job resonates with most people, most of the time. Everyone has been fired, quit, left a company, had a crappy boss. Peter having a rough go is relatable. People *FEEL* that. People identify with it. They see themselves in it. That's the magic of the Peter Parker character as a whole. Just your average guy. Going through life. Having a tough time. Working shitty jobs for shitty pay with shitty hours. It's that duality with the run of the mill average guy trying to get ahead in the world that really helps make the amazing Spiderman stories really pop. That night and day difference. If people can see themselves more in Peter, they can feel just as elevated and inspired by Spiderman. And a broke Peter speaks to basically 70% of the first world economy workforce. A super brilliant CEO super duper science bro loses the bulk of the audience. That isn't relatable to the masses. It is extremely niche and confining, creatively.
Pete can be broke but not unemployed. He's working class in NYC. He's struggling but he ain't some loser on government assistance. Peter Parker is not a loser. He's just a guy trying to make it in this expensive ass city.
That's what I was getting at. Tobey got the side hustle working man screen time montage stuff down really well. Not unemployed, but lots of side gigs, side hustles, three part time jobs, trying to scrape by. I like it where Peter does like 20 odd jobs just to buy MJ nice flowers and take her out for fancy dinner. I was that guy to my now wife. I see myself in that. I lived that.
I was never a white collar PhD super sciences bleeding edge tech guy. I could enjoy those stories, and don't think most would either.
>anon
>married
impossible
But isn't MJ a model? If she's making more money than him, why is he spending his hard earned cash on fancy dinners instead of towards paying the bills?
Depends who writes her. She's almost always been a low level catalogue model for department stores or local shop posters kind of model. In the same way Pete was entry level science stuff, MJ was entry level model/acting.
Man, that's humbling as frick if she's supposedly so beautiful but can only get the entry-level gigs. Damn.
MJ is the most beautiful woman in the world, TO PETER. A healthy, clean, good girl in nice clothes can go from a 6/10 to a 10/10 when she's been your first/only crush since childhood. The earliest Peter stories about MJ were about Peter trying to get her attention, to be noticed by her, to elevate himself to win her affections. She was so beautiful TO HIM and he wished he was her equal, and because he was so shy and anxious and nerdy, he never thought a girl like her would be interested in him. It was only after he became Spiderman that he began to find himself, become more confident, and his costumed alter ego built him up in a way that he could assert himself in front of MJ without the mask to ask her out. Almost all of the Peter Parker centric stories before the late 90's were about doing your best, trying your hardest, putting yourself out there, taking a chance, etc. Real "coming of age" kind of stories. The struggles of a young man to establish himself personally and professionally. MJ, as a plot device, was almost always used as "the thing to chase".
I got the feeling you either like romance shit or is a virgin
If he's being genuine he's both
Could be a girl, there's some in these threads.
I chased a girl out of my league back in the day. The Pete and MJ stories were half inspirational and half soothing. I didn't know it back then, but the girl was a gigantic (and secret) weeaboo with an Asian fetish. I never had a chance. But at the time, when I was in the thick of it, the Pete tries his best to win MJ and something goes wrong or something blows up in his face but he tries again stories always gave me hope and made me feel better when stuff blew up in my face.
High school is extremely hard, socially speaking, when you only got eyes for one girl and she doesn't like you the you like her. This was before friend zone was even a word or a concept. I felt in her orbit and at any moment it would be my chance. Those Pete/MJ stories I related to, HARD. I felt those highs and lows in my bones.
>but the girl was a gigantic (and secret) weeaboo
>Those Pete/MJ stories I related to, HARD. I felt those highs and lows in my bones.
I know how you feel. My ex was a dangerous schizo weeaboo.
What stories are you taking about, dude? Peter met MJ after high school and he got along with her just fine. He didn’t spill his spaghetti or any of that shit. Stop projecting your bullshit on to the character. He’s obviously too cool for you.
No? The frick? Pic related is Pete when he met her, when he was an adult.
Unironically you self inserted too hard
You think I don't know that? We are all products of our time, and the content we consume. That's what I had access to, and that's what I was going through while I had those stories.
It makes an impression.
Access to what? The stories you’re describing don’t exist. You sick in the head or something?
I had a cute redhead neighbor who watched spider-man 1 with me and looked at me during the upside down kiss and I was too dumb to realize.
She's too short for the big leagues. Models are usually expected to be about 5,9-6,0.MJ is only 5,6. There are some real life stories about the angst women feel about that.
That’s funny.
Then why even have her be a model anyway? Just give her something else.
She's had liek 7 different jobs.
Pretty much this
>He's struggling but he ain't some loser on government assistance.
I don't think Peter had ever gotten any unemployment money. I don't think he's ever gotten government assistance unless you want to count working for tony back in civil war.
Batman is worse and is the only character keeping DC afloat
most people on this board aren't old enough to remember HEAT let alone any Spider-Man storyline in the 00s before One More Day
>What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker?
Go back to right after Venom's first appearance and re-write everything from there
HEATgayS were responsible for DC unfricking Wally West and pester them for almost a decade, Wallace never sold as a Wally Replace and only became "better" when he became his own and even took Wally's side during the Flash War, and Wally managed to un-OMD himself and DC because his case was even worse than OMD and BND altogether and Tom King even tried to assassinate his character under DiDio's orders during Heroes in Crisis to kill the HEAT.
Which failed and increased their resolve, which led to him recover his family and Save the DC Multiverse.
Now Wally is everything Peter Parker could had been, and he keeps getting even more stronger thanks to his family that pushes him even forward.
Welll also because didio didnt really leave a support network for his ideas, so the minute he left people started to go back. With spidey its about waiting until the few remnants leave.
Pretty much just dudes nearing 60's that once they leave will prob be for the best.
>Tom King even tried to assassinate his character under Didio's orders during Heroes in Crisis
I have my opinions about King but he really never wanted the Wally shit. Didio and editorial gave him Wally as the murderer. His original plan for the book didn't even have a murder mystery editorial pushed that on him and King was just complacent. He never argued against anything he was told to do with the story. He didn't even like the title and he just went with it.
So yeah King was complacent, but at the end of the day it all goes back to Didio. It always does. If Didiot hadn't pushed Wally as a suspect it never would have happened.
and he seethes til this day that Johns and the HEAT gang saved wally and his kids
Loki and Alpha Flight comics are out so it is a matter of time until is out today or tomorrow.
If there will be any news about ASM 34 it will be later this evening
A reboot really, but you can’t even do THAT thanks to miles being around
They can send miles back to 1610 once The maker gets raped by Reed and Doom
He should've been sent back anyway. The movies have him in 1610 where his Peter died. It would be proper synergy to send him back. Why is he still in 616?
Give him the powers he had from the Other again but explain it as his powers manifesting in new ways as he gets older. (don’t actually make him the other) at least then miles and silks different powers make sense.
(will never understand why silk can make organic webs but pete can’t)
in order for something like that to get any traction you'd have to not complain about "muh wokeness" which is an impossible task for Cinemaphile. a spider-man centric HEAT movement would just he akin to a comicsgate movement
IDK normie sites all seem to agree with it too.
Because DC are willing to reboot their universe and purge awful runs. Marvel have kept all 900+ issues of ASM canon, along with untold amounts of Spectacular and Uncanny and Peter Parker and Web Of and Unlimited and Friendly Neighbourhood comics too.
Spider-Man needs a retelling from the start, but with writers and editors that love the character and don’t want to make him a loser punching bag. Modern Spider-Man is unsalvageable because there’s been 3 decades of awful stories that has ruined the character. We need to go back to the beginning and start fresh. Kinda like Ultimate Spider-Man but with a more coherent plan for each character’s arc and without the radical redesigns.
By rights, we should be dealing with a mid-late 30’s Peter, using Science tech to help him still get around as fast, raising Mayday with his wife Mary Jane and tutoring the teenage Miles in how to be Spider-Man (we’re never getting rid of him now guys, may as well embrace it and use him as the ‘young’ Spidey so we can have married with children Pete.)
DC rn is going with keping everything in canon doesn't change them fixing shit or not.
And a reboot from the start would just be worse honestly.
>pretends to be a legit post
>actually Mileshomosexualry
Ive seen that middle ground suggested a lot, while i don't like shared names, i guess its some form of solution.
It's still dumb as hell if Pete's still Spider-Man. Spider-Man ain't about youth, it's about growing up. It's about being a man, not a kid. Manchildren need to understand that.
Oh for sure, ive seen a more extreme one which also has ben for that miscellaneous single spidey in his late 20s/30s.
Milesgays keep trying to be sneaky with pushing their shit character like that all the time.
There is no valid reason for including Miles in Pete's story.
Pete being temperamental wasn't something he became post-Spider bite. He was always like that. Pic related depicts him as being such as a small child while also being ready to fight multiple kids. Kid was a scrapper from the onset. He was never timid or shy pre-spider bite. The geeks want to project their dorky bullshit onto Spidey to feel better about themselves but the fact of the matter is that Spider-Man is just too cool for you.
The only thing they need to do to unfrick Peter is stop giving Miles “Gary Stu” Morales new abilities, team ups, and constant wins so Peter can get upgrades (not a new suit) and some spotlight outside of the MCU movies too.
It’s okay if Peter loses sometimes but for the entire Wells run it feels like Peter is constantly losing and In Miles’ run he’s constantly winning, getting help, new powers. I like Miles, but it’s just wrong that they’re treating Peter like shit to boost the fandoms appeal to Miles.
peter's been fricked since 2008, 3 years before miles.
Honestly, the problem with Miles is that they confuse more powers with more personality, and that's why they give electric sword. Peter and Miles should have the exact same powerset, so that neither or them are ""superior"" to the other and emphasize could be made on their personality.
Otherwise, Miles is not the problem, its the treatment of Peter and his support cast that shit the bed.
>a nobody who came in and made his entire career off riding spider-man’s coattails is not the problem
>Queen Goblin tells Peter that this is not your destiny and then points to MJ and says she is when she last looked into their eyes and then tries to take the sins away
>everyone but editorial shipping MJ/Peter
classic Spider-Man moment
Got your hands on it or is schizo moment?
The shizo would be like no this is how gwen comes back in some convoluted way
Gwen's resurrection is reserved for ASM #950
Suuure
That’s probably going to be return of Green Goblin, if he gets his sins back at the end of this arc and this sets up the next issues then 950 is probably the start of the Green Goblin vs Spider-Man arc.
1000 will probably have Uncle Ben and Gwen show up in some way, but CB understands the importance of her death just like Quesada did and didn’t let her get revived
Wells is leaving at 60 remember
and ASM 60 is which number, 950?
Oh wait 60 is 954, so frick return of GG would likely end up being the final arc.
I mean neither did brusnide barbara come off as barbara gordon as established prior, just seems like they were trying to get after that audience.
if i were to guess it
>950 will be the return of Gwen, but aged to peter's age if anons are hinting here due to the celestial bringing her to life as hers and peter's whish being strong, she pops up back on earth where Peter and Norman or whoever gets the goblin sins are fighting, but she got powers of her own now.
>Harry is also brought back to life with his and his clone memories, and wanting to stop not norman but the Goblin.
>it is also the special about all of peter and norman's flashbacks, and norman fighting the goblin inside him and mephisto taunting him for ruining his life and killing Harry, Peter remembering the good and bad of norman and harry, and also Gwen.
>Green Goblin is revealed to be fact a Demon created by Mephisto, because wells...
>All is set for a showdown and redemption at the end of 953
>Gleason's arc till 1000 once JMS takes over is fix all of the remaining issues, Gwen having to adapt to a new world and letting go her feelings for peter so he may have his happiness, she also helps Mary Jane and Meets Felicia
>Harry has to deal with his new life and make amends with Liz and Normie, Misery feels his pain and sorrow for all the things that happened, and Marriage councilor Misery is back to help him.
>If norman survives, he leaves NY for europe to do one last thing before he dies, find Mayday and deliver her back to peter, he dies saving her possibly by mephisto.
Hal should had retired and got his white sideburns, he is still active and fighting sinestro once in a while, but now there is Guy, Sinestro's daughter, John, Jess and Simon to keep order as the other lanterns.
The thing is, Warner made a good Green Lantern cartoon and kids now remember that animated Hal Jordan as oldgays remembers John Stewart, plus Injustice happened.
So it is a dead end they need to unfrick.
>950 will be the return of Gwen
stopped reading here. There is NOTHING Gwen would add to the story. She won't fix it, she'll only make it even worse than it is now, if you can even comprehend such a situation. This Gwenplague has to end.
>This Gwenplague has to end.
It will never end it is Peter's and Gwen's destiny to be with each other this how things must be in the end.
why do you keep posting the edit, bro?
Cut the bullshit out Norman never had Gwen
Goblin vs Peter isn't the last arc
We have chasm after gang war
Mutant arc
Goblin vs Peter and goblin then finale with arc
>Mutant arc
what?
next year everyone is getting tagged into muties and avengers at the same time AGAIN, more at comic con.
fricking AGAIN?
Zradasky is doing avengers, which sucks cause that means mackay's fun run is going to be cut short.
The first flash movie script used wally. And JL mortal had a clever solution by having both and ending the movie with wally becoming the flash after barry's death.
>Zdarsky is doing avengers, which sucks cause that means mackay's fun run is going to be cut short.
lol no, Avengers: Twilight is 100% a non-canon comic
It has the headline of the main one, I hope you're right, but I wouldn't be shocked. Them redoing bad arcs is hardly suprising.
>1000 will probably have Uncle Ben and Gwen show up in some way
how many more times will we see them show up in spirit/clone/tulpa/ghost/schizo form just to tell Peter how he's a good boy and don't be sad uwu
With gwen the issue is that its somehow become less emotionally mature. We've gone from peter accepting that he feels differently now to him having to cry about how he's still in love with her. Its amazing to see the writing quality have fallen so far from the 70s.
it's such a joke whenever Gwen shows up nowadays. Peter gets as emotional and weepy as he did when she'd just died even though he's seen numerous clones of her and alt versions etc etc - it's lost the effect it initially had decades ago. Like, Sins Past and the Gwen mini (which should've focused more on the Harry/Gwen friendship imho) are the ONLY different stories they've tried to tell and they are what they are.
Not gonna mention Spider-Gwen since she's just a female Peter down to the stories they tell.
Obviously. They've already told you how to fix Spider-Man. They've shown you like 4 times. OMD is the problem but they aren't going to undo it until #1000.
Anon, #1000 is just gonna be an anthology like Action Comics/Detective Comics #1000 ones.
Yeah like AF 1000 was honestly. Maybe one story from the core run at the time, but nothing major.
Simply void the "devil's deal" and change the moment in time where Peter revealed his identity in civil war. Aunt may isnt sniped, and peter never makes the deal. Make a story how that fricks up the timeline, but in actuality fixes an already fractured reality.
Certain things stay and others were simply the work of Mephisto.
Problem solved.
for that Peter needs the same Willpower Wally West had, which he lacks it.
True, however there are many reality warpers and weavers to aid spidey on this fix. This will be a team effort and DrStrange would have to help lead in the effort. I would say the deal with Peter would be a catalyst of Mephistos plan and the Web of the Spiderverse and Mystics and even celestial beings would need to come together on. I would make this a cosmic event because it would rewrite not just OMD but all of the events that happened. Like secret wars 2 and so on.
On that note I would utterly destroy the previous writers work like Slott and Bendis. Wouldn't get rid of it all of course but would make their work look like shit being flushed away.
Who's the black haired one?
April. Clone of mayday that Norman created and fused with symbiote DNA.
Peter and MJ look far too young.
Eh MJ has some wrinkles, as does peter.
Lol that's a good explanation.
Just two years ago mj and peter were in a happy relationship and no one was complaining. Just get rid of BND writers that despise the relationship and cant see it happen, its that easy. Cause they're never going to get rid of such a prominent character The others either have been done and are ineffective or are worse issues honestly.
>Lol that's a good explanation
Well she was a fashion model. Probably know a bunch of things about skin care
Yeah generally.
It did happen.
They've tried, also didn't take.
>They've tried, also didn't take.
NTA I know there was some spiderman chapter 1 series and heroes reborn back in the 90s. That and ultimate in the 2000s
Yep both failed (for some reason then DC got the guy behind heroes reborn to do the new 52 and that also failed). Ultimate wasn't really a reboot as much as an AU running alongside mainline.
Yeah it is gross-cool.
There might be, just found those two.
>Just two years ago mj and peter were in a happy relationship and no one was complaining
No one complained much about Spider-Man before Nick Spencer took over. Especially since MJ wasn't involved much, & it allowed space for a Peter Parker story to be made, & there are stuff people like. The only complaint us how convaluted the retcon of Sin's Past was done, despite people being glad that story is gone it only added more holes that need explaining. Plus it was too easy on how Peter & MJ were paired in the furst issue that both never bothered talking on why they should hook up again. OMD & BND is never gonna be ignored, & that relationship has run its course. Something new needed to be made, & it needs actual effort for it to work
please... I need the rip of ASM...
I need to save a crop of Norman's bare tummy...
don’t care discuss how to fix peter parker
kill every single executive at Disney
kill every editor at Marvel
kill a selected chunk of the writers
delete Mephisto
just have MJ and Peter married again. Peter turns towards the reader and says everything after OMD is not canon and this is the continuation of the story before that
only happily married men are allowed to write the comic
Shooter is there to shoot (heh) any writer showing signs of Gwenhomosexualry
Spider-verse doesn't exist; Miguel is the only one allowed his own line since it's an alt/potential future and doesn't disrupt Peter's story
there. Now give Norman tummy
Trading one boring status quo for another. The problem of course being no one in these threads has any vision for the future, just vague ideas of 'make it good'.
Reap what you sow.
MJ is now and forever a unredeemable character thanks to wells and lowe
you have no proof and ha the lies you beat off to sleep at night
Oh dear how quickly we forget here we have MJ and Paul in bed with each other yes they did frick you can be sure of that.
>imagemacro takes away all the moments of MJ looking sadly at peter
That's not the characters issue regardless, its wells and lowe. If wally can recover from committing mass murder...mj can recover from this just fine.
>That's not the characters issue regardless, its wells and lowe. If wally can recover from committing mass murder...mj can recover from this just fine
Yes but the thing is in wally's case they wanted to redeem him in MJ case however they want the opposite.
Interjecting here, but no? The writer that did the damage did it then others tried fixing it. Of course the same is going to happen to a character as popular as MJ.
Pretty much, they've driven it to the ground.
Is she even that? She reads more like burnside barbara gordon than peter.
>Is she even that? She reads more like burnside barbara gordon than peter.
taking into account just the Spidey-sphere, she doesn't come across as a Gwen, nor does she have enough to be interesting on her own. Since they make every fricking Spider-Man sound like Peter, that's the one I'd say she comes across the most.
>Interjecting here, but no? The writer that did the damage did it then others tried fixing it. Of course the same is going to happen to a character as popular as MJ.
I really don't think they give a damn about redeeming MJ I highly doubt she will ever get "fixed"
And didio despised wally. Doesnt change that there's people that...like the character? Even if editorial (or here a subset in editorial that has stubbornly remained past its time) dislikes it they cant hold a tide forever.
Unless only one person cares about a character (poor phil urich) they'll get fixed generally. Maybe not ideally. But the next writer will definitely do so with the most recurrent spider-man love interest lol.
Even if she does get fixed in the future then in my eyes she will still be a cheater. I rather see Gwen brought back and be with Peter. I have sincerly had enough of MJ for a lifetime
Lol, nah.
They're not going to bring gwen back, at all. Harry maybe, but no one really cares about that anymore. BND only brought him back to match with the raimi movies and even then they ended up missing the year line and made it akward.
>Lol, nah
I wasn't joking there anon I want Peter to be with Gwen I no longer give a shit about MJ.
Wally doesn’t work when Barry’s the current Flash. At this point, it’s just nostalgia. There’s no reason to keep a character around if they no longer serve a purpose. Either revert him to Kid Flash or get rid of him.
Id argue the opposite, barry doesnt work after his death, but these things are circles and circles. And you really cant have a kid flash who's married and with kids lmao.
Also when they made wally the main one they pretty much just shot barry into the multiverse. Which is probably the best solution.
The best solution is one Flash and that’s it. In fact, limit the speedsters to just Barry. Having multiple speedsters is one of the reasons why comics can be dumb as hell. Speed Force is way too broken for multiple characters to have it.
Didio tried that, no one liked it. It helps wally has the popular stories that they have to crib and give to barry in adaptations.
That’s the thing. Adaptations get the most exposure and Barry’s the one who headlines most of them. The average person has ZERO interest in the comics but may watch a movie or show that features the character.
And the first major adaptation to feature a flash featured wally. And the full on barry movie was a massive bomb. That ended up poisoning GL in the public mind
Its...just a joke.
I could see it being the finale.
The first major adaptation was the 90s show which featured Barry.
Well sure, but the 90s show got canceled due to low ratings. But good call.
>Adaptations get the most exposure and Barry’s the one who headlines most of them.
So what?
The only thing that people will remember with Barry in it is the CW version, maybe the 90s show. People don't remember the animated films Barry was in and people are trying to memoryhole the DCEU Barry
And even your suggestion is no longer a sure thing
Jaime was the primary Blue Beetle used in adaptations since the 00s, but his movie didn't do well despite being better than most of Marvel Phase 4 and most of post-Snyder DCEU
Unless they significantly alter Wally’s origin, Barry will be THE Flash since he’s the easiest to adapt without incorporating the baggage of Jay and the others. That and his beef with Thawne is great.
This is the problem, Barry's origin is just a copy of Jay.
Wally is more fleshed out.
>This is the problem, Barry's origin is just a copy of Jay
And? Jay sucks. Barry’s got more stuff to him and one can always incorporate elements from Wally to Barry. Best of both worlds.
Barry is the sole reason of why DC is in this shitshow right now, and he should had stayed DEAD.
But Fricking DiDio, Harras and Lee wanted him back.
That’s the comics. Adaptations are a different story.
And they literally ruined him in the movie to a point no one wants to see barry's face ever again.
Just recast Barry. Problem solved. It ain’t that serious.
NO ONE WANTS BARRY ALLEN EVER AGAIN
Says who?
Everyone else
But the movie actor looks nothing like Barry? Fricker acted more like modern spiderman than Barry Allen flash.
Exactly why they can just do Barry again but with a different characterization. Simple.
I'm not following? Barely anyone saw the movie. Not saying the actor damaged the flash as a priority but the flash(barry, wally, Jay, etc)
I just think everyone just doesn’t like Ezra(cause he's an butthole). Imagine him playing spiderman.
>Not saying the actor damaged
*Not saying the actor didn't damaged
I never understood what sort of wienersucking nepotism got Ezra "the mong" Miller to get the role in the first place. Grant Gustin wasn't blond, sure, but even he looked more like Barry than Miller ever fricking did
The comics AND most of the adaptations are a shitshow
And wally has more content than barry.
>easiest to adapt
well, Ezra did a whole lot of damage to Barry, so it wouldn't surprise me if Gunn not only recast Flash but made his Flash start with Wally and wait a long time to bring another Barry in
>That and his beef with Thawne is great.
It really isn't
Flash Rebirth's retcon of having Thawne killing off Barry's mom had disastrous consequences for most DC media across the board because they kept jumping on Flashpoint as a result
Arguably the best usage was in the CW
>removing the actual original
No one cares about Jay. Him and Alan were the prototypes to the superior Barry and Hal. They’re just better takes on the original idea.
barry was the prototype to the superior wally.
holy hell that's hot
There is a lewd version....
please sir I must have it
Sure
https://files.catbox.moe/gvd3jr.png
Just think the angle works more for morb, nothing more.
Cbr gay has entered that chat
Hi hobob
>Post-OMD is the truest interpretation of the character and not Out of Character at all.
Sure. And Pete's totally a incompetent manchild because that's what's written after OMD too.
Every character's been warped a lot post OMD honestly. But even then, you can criticise spencer, but he didn't fall into the BND traps. Its pretty clear these are traps that generation of writers fall into but not even inherent.
And she regrets nothing, time to bring back Gwen and let her be with Peter,
>bring back Gw-ACKKK!
Reminder that Norman never really had Gwen
this is irrelevant
heres your (you) you wanted
dont reply to the schizo.
You are right instead keep on seething about the fact that Harry made a fool of his dad. And here is another humiliating revelation about poor Norman.
Mind your autism polak
It's canon so deal with it.
>canon
So? Everything gets retconned eventually
Except heatgays brought about a Hal Jordan Renaissance. Then they set about destroying everything in their desire to make their idiot stand in into greatest bestest most specialest boy. And so while there were a couple good years, the franchise is fricking wrecked now. They've destroyed what was around him to make him look better. They butchered Alan, John, Kyle and indeed the whole corps as a concept. There's nothing left to work with, no arcs to put Hal through.
Hal should have stayed evil.
That's what the OPis saying. And spider-man cant get worse.
>nurse
That’s a red flag.
How? She did play one in tv too.
Nurses are super-promiscuous.
Change of editorial for the pro-marriage one.
Putting Slott and the anti-marriage faction on a leash.
I personally don't think Slott has much of a spine to be pro or anti anything, and just tends to go with whatever the higher-ups (than he is at least) want. If the powers that be suddenly became pro-marriage overnight I'm reasonably sure he'd say he changed his mind or something.
Ehh i think he leans on anti, more so because he doesn't like defalco and defalco is really pro-marriage.
Also Defalco hates Slott's guts over Slott for pulling some BS and stealing the spot as a Marvel writer from a potential newbie writer who would've started their job at Marvel. Not to mention Defalco threatening Slott that he'd expose this and deny the chance to him to the point of Slott begging him not to do it. The feelings are mutual.
Yeah, im guessing defalco regrets not exposing him right there. Would have saved us a lot of stuff tbh.
Not true
I dont know if hate, but he has spoken ill of his spider-verse work. And defalco is generally super polite in that regard.
1. Sales have to be bad.
2. You need a good writer that can do what they want.
>mfw got a day-long ban yesterday just for politely asking the jannies to do something about this idiotic shitposter
>meanwhile he got off scot-free
Go frick yourself long and hard with a rusty knife you janny-protected c**t, and stop ruining every single fricking Spider-Man thread we ever have on this board.
iktf, I haven't gotten banned, but warned several times for, uh, asking the mods to acknowledge reports. Indeed, asking them to do their job. Really makes me think
Sonic sez
y'know, not enough is said about the rampant Flashhomosexualry. Maybe the threads don't move as fast, but they're also pretty shitty posters
All threads are like that
>managed to bring about a Green Lantern renaissance
That was back when the comic book industry was still healthy. These days the corporations that own our superheroes seem to have an active hatred for their fans.
I stopped reading spider-man in 2016.
Envy me.
>2016
Too late honestly
You are like a little baby. I stopped reading Spider-Man in 2006.
Make Spider-Man cool again. Enough of this doughy nice guy shit. Make him short-tempered, confident and flirty again. Using DMC as an example, teen Peter would start out like the short-tempered Nero who’d then evolve into the carefree Dante.
Going by DMC terminology wouldn't it be better if Peter went from teen Nero to DMC 1? 4/5's Dante just feels a little to eccentric for Peter.
>4/5's Dante just feels a little to eccentric for Peter.
How so?
I don't see Peter throwing on a parody of Shakespeare before fighting an villian and dancing like a Michael jackson/japanese Jackson impersonator inside a demon tree.
Ultimate Spidey went on a whole roast session on Kingpin.
https://youtube.com/shorts/0-Piylx_9VY?feature=share
I'm not saying saying he can't taunt people, DMC 1 Dante and the main universe Peter taunted their foes as well. Maybe I just find Dante's more campier moments post 3 out of character for an adult Peter. But frick it spiderman dance fighting in a night club would be entertaining.
It makes for a much more fun character. I’d rather Pete act like Dante than the boring Insomniac Pete who’s too soft for his own good.
Why not? Spidey’s a trickster. All that doesn’t seem off-brand for him.
I think that Peter would go from teen Nero, to DMC 3 Dante where he begins to get good at what he does yet Ezekiel shows up and reveals the whole Spider thing or Peter naturally has dreams where he sees how he can become brutal and then reconciles that eventually. Then he becomes kind of a DMC 1 and 5 hybrid where he's willing to mess with younger heroes but also gets serious when it comes down to it.
Yeah this just convinces me they just steal ideas from here. Literally just one of those threads of Cinemaphile in Gotham, NY, etc. Lame. Rather would've liked a character using a mesageboard to post footage and evidence of something that would impact the story. World-building like this is good for a gag but it gets old.
Checcheto's art seems kinda ill-suited. Though we'll see. Not sure how well Hickman can do Spider-Man. A real unknown.
I wouldn't mind an emblem for Scorpion but it should be distinct. Make the claws of the logo more prominent while spreading the legs out. The tail can curl in one direction. Yeah what I described is kind of generic but it could work when made in a good style. I dunno, I'd have to see it but I can't draw.
Nah, it’s best to leave the Spider-Totem shit behind. Keep Spidey as the result of science instead of the mystical shit of the totems.
>confident and flirty
Imagine a Spidey who’d shoot his shots like Jonnny Cage here: https://youtu.be/hQOdCpJwPXw
That and have a rivalry with Wolverine. OG Pete frequently butted heads with the Human Torch, but since the F4’s geeky and lame, Wolverine works as a good replacement. Especially since they’re really similar. Could get a good back and forth with the two.
>since the F4’s geeky and lame
Frick off gay
Tell how they arent lame and shit
Peter would be somewhere between Dante and Nero really
The idea is to have Year One Spidey as the short-tempered jerkass whereas prime Adult Spidey is Dante-like in his carefree attitude as a way to show how much he's grown through the years.
bring back the israeli and white writers, boot all the millennials/women/non-israeli minorities
What about Spaniards?
No. Frick off
>HEATgays managed to bring about a Green Lantern renaissance
They didn't. Hal came back only because DiDio hates all of the second generation characters from Kyle to Wally to Dick. It was going to happene with or without them. And Johns Lantern, with the benefit of hindsight, was the worst thing to ever happen to Green Lantern.
Legacy characters suck, dude. They cause a whole lot of problems. The Batfamily’s bloated to shit now. Same with Superman and the Flash where everyone has the same powers. The world should be in perpetual peace with all these buttholes running around.
For whom cares, https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1704587213948739658?t=tBWkSFFNyWVCAeR1zXppQg&s=19
Johns was part of HEAT.
And the moment didio left those came back to their relevance. these are cycles.
>Hickman
zzz
>Ultimate Spidey
zzz
Positive i can see is, its a new AU so hickman cant frickup characterization. But man I don't think spider-man needs 600 charts each issue.
>But man I don't think spider-man needs 600 charts each issue.
I tried to follow his X-shit because my friend is a fan, but it was like every other page or so came to a full stop for a tl;dr chart I didn't give one shit about
There's another doubled edged sword. Its a new au so he can do whatever without contradicting, but now he doesn't even have to pretend they're the same characters so I can only imagine the bizarre off character directions.
>And the moment didio left those came back to their relevance. these are cycles.
And their books are BAD.
DC rn has more solid books than marvel does rn idk. The batman one sucks but its written by a writer from the current era of marvel.
I saw that in a different thread. Would be nice to have "ultimate peter" back but it's not/wouldn't be the same. And that's assuming it would be peter and not someone else after what the maker did to the radioactive spider before it got to bite ultimate invasion peter
Its a new AU. It could be the universe after it resets.
Well more so that hickman is too grand and cosmic.
>It’s a new AU. It could be the universe after it resets.
True.
>Well more so that hickman is too grand and cosmic
Could hickman write a comic where spiderman goes to hell, beats mephisto with a cosmos brick, and resort his marriage and maybe retcon a kid or two into is own life? On a more serious note can hickman restrain enough from the grandiose shit to write a not overly complicated spiderman story?
No he probably wouldnt. I kinda doubt it. The big spider-man story he did for af 1000 was multiverse based.
>No he probably wouldnt. I kinda doubt it. The big spider-man story he did for af 1000 was multiverse based.
Frick. Was that the one where 616 Peter b***heds to all the other peters and one of the peters had cancer and the other peter had a whole ass family.
It basically was "well being peter always sucks dude lol"
At this point I would just have
write spiderman comic
PICTURES, POST THEM
Hickman will launch a new Ultimate Spider-Man #1 in January, alongside artist Marco Checchetto, fresh off his long Daredevil run with writer Chip Zdarsky. Marvel hasn't revealed any further details of the new Ultimate Spider-Man #1, but the publisher promises that more will be announced during October's New York Comic Con.
Predictions?
Too early to tell. But if it's going to be this alternate ultimate universe's Peter he'll probably be a lot different from the OG ultimate peter, that's for sure. Different hair style and whatever.
Okay to add a bit more in ultimate invasion issue one that Peter was it Liz so if it goes with the direction of following Peter than he'll probably have Liz be his close friend over ultimate MJ.
I second this for that anon.
An Firestarter Liz and peter would be interesting to see
Yeah
>Liz hate mutants
>Pete/Spiderman is sympathetic to the mutants cause he gets shat on/has to deal with robots design to kill him too
>Liz gets her powers early compared to OG ultimate timeline
>Peter helps her feel better about being the thing she hate
>two thirds of the way to ultimate amazing friends
That if Hickman keeps the Liz is mutant firestar thing. Does anyone know if Hickman liked OG ultimate spider man? Can hickman give Peter a web cape.
I get the feeling we get crack ships for headlines like kamala and peter though, editorial would do that to draw news attention.
I would be pissed if they do this but it could be far FRICKING WORSE. Thought that b***h hopefully isn't in this ultimate universe(I think this is like the 3rd ultimate universe).
I think if anything marvel would push them into Peter's youth cast ie I'm expecting Chavez miles Viv Cho riri. Prob for some ultimate champions.
>Chavez
Literally who?
>Prob for some ultimate champions
Truly I got monkey pawed
Anti venom with a mouth looks super cool
You mean agent venom with a mouth is cool?
Kind of like Liz Sherman from Hellboy.
You know what sounds like a bad idea? Taking a character like Spider-Man known for his quips and charisma and giving him to a guy who writes every character like an autistic robot.
from Uncanny Spider-Man
>only Peter avatars
>no unironic Normangays shitposting
shaking my head
>Only Peter avatars
But I see a spider-rex and punk one there.
Also seeing how these guys are trying to give Kurt his own name I wonder if they do the same for Miles
kek as if they don't know already
Sugar mommy Felicia and Spiderman king of of New York and the ni… I mean symbiotes.
That's kinda creepy
Still a better love story than twilight
MJ buys herself and Peter good skin care cream
Shouldn’t Pete’s powers keep him young much longer? He’s got a healing factor, right?
Its not that kind of healing factor.
Lame. Why even call it a healing factor if it doesn’t even work like Wolverine’s?
He heals faster than the regular person, that is what a healing factor generally means.
Might as well go full spider and have him molt instead.
He did that like twice
Alright, then he should do it again. For someone who’s called Spider-Man, he doesn’t seem very spider-like.
I would like him to summon 4 extra arms on command.
Mysterio making hellrasier like illustrations to frick with spiderman would be neat
Norman actually has an impressive healing factor.
Some members of my discord affectionately refer to Norman as Gokiburi because of his stubborn healing factor.
Kinda funny.
Here, actually shocked the person that did it did that infamous peter parker thing.
At first I was grossed for a second but then the thought of a non zombie spiderman fighting with his guts hanging out made me think it was cool
This is pretty dope. Is there more?
>What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker?
A clean slate with a new direction, & some actual effort by a writer who can actually push the character in a completely new direction that the previous writers couldn't
-Meaning no more MJ as she basically does nothing & is just taking space. She should just go & do her own thing, as her place in the Spider-Man book felt lost
-Revamp & introduce brand new villains. Especially those who can take the identities of Spider-Man's old villains. Which they exist during the Gauntlet storyline. Maybe evil AI Harry returns in a new body & becomes the new Green Goblin
-Explore more of Peter Parker's intelligence as a scientist as he faced more intellectual-type villains
-Involve some horror elements. Specifically cosmic horror. So that we can see Peter's intelligence pushed to the limits
-Have him actually be responsible & learn more on how to manage himself better. Maybe bring back Horizon, or have him rebuild Parker Industries in his own way that can have him do actual work in his own way
-Give him some actual diverse supporting cast that Peter can learn from to actually better himself
-Bring back Gwen Stacy as a love interest, & make it permanent instead of a one time thing were she comes back & disappear. I think its time she gets her redemption, with a new writer who can actually write her with more effort & give her something interesting to do. Maybe she makes his tech. Actually keeps him being a competent adult, & prove her worth as someone more of an equal to Peter
-Maybe Peter forms his own Avengers team that's separate & explores more on the science aspects of their adventures
-More horror stuff
Basically they need a brand new writer with something really new & original to offer. Stop relying on the old stories. Maybe someone young to do what the old couldn't. Actual effort in writing a Peter Parker Spider-Man story
Literally did the first three in brand new day, it sucked ass. And bringing gwen back is moronic.
But there was no effort as it progressed. They started fine, but then it went somewhere else. They even abandoned the organic webs idea, which should have stayed
Organic webs was a terrible idea brought on by movie synergy
Explain why it's terrible.
Having Gwen back would actually introduce some new stories for Spider-Man. It just needs a writer who can make the effort
Slott detected
Why not just reboot? This shit’s been running since the 60s. They’re overdue to start over with a blank slate.
Body horror’s a better fit for Spidey. Cosmic horror like Event Horizon can be cool and interesting but it can also get dumb really fast and easy.
There was this one artist that did a body horror take on spidey let me find it
The body horror aspect would be to make Spidey legitimately spider-like in all its wicked glory. Similar to modern renditions of the symbiote, Pete would struggle not to fall into the basic instincts of the spider and all its wicked nature. He’d be truly a Spider-Man.
Something like this: https://youtu.be/7s2g6qIy95E
There’s plenty of really cool stuff that spiders can do that’ll fit the body horror theme.
Body horror-focused Spidey would be too kino for this wretched world
Excuse me, I need to go watch some Generator Rex now
I don't know if I want to storytime Misery. I'm disappointed with how it dropped the "he abused me" bomb then refused to elaborate. It's clearly setting up for another mini but I don't know if they'll get one.
Is the book already over? And doesn't it have the sigh lilly hollister thing there?
The last issue was today. The intrigue going on behind the Lily Hollister plot is actually kind of interesting for 90s fans. The writer continues to prove he knows more about the Osborns than most. It's the Liz Allan plot that disappoints me.
> The intrigue going on behind the Lily Hollister plot is actually kind of interesting for 90s
Oh frick no, please no more retcons. It's already dead.
How so?
Sounds like what morbious has going on.
Mayday.
But didn't still born mayday(along with the potential of Annie) get erase with OMD? If so how does Norman remember?
Quesada said so, but they also kept the clone saga in continuity and have made vague allusions sometimes, especially during beyond. So seems not?
>Sounds like what morbious has going on.
Exactly, but way grosser. For example, Spidey would struggle to not fall to cannibalism while Scorpion would completely give in. The idea being that while Pete rejects the wicked nature of the spider, Mac would totally embrace the nature of the scorpion, base instincts and all. That way, he’d be a true dark reflection of Spider-Man. His true opposite.
Again, seems like a story that would fit morb like a glove especially if you play up the vampire elements.
Spidey’s the bigger name. Plus, Morb does play a part in that like Pete and Mac, he too is a result of cross-species experiments. Same with villains like the Lizard, Rhino and even the Vulture.
I think its just something more fitting for that character
Ditko didn't think of it.
>I think its just something more fitting for that character
Why wouldn't it fit Spider-Man?
I mean spidey is more tied to having both lives, that idea is inherently against that. Meanwhile morbious's whole thing is being a monster man having to battle his worst impulses.
You misunderstood. Spidey is still very much Peter Parker. The double life element is still intact. He's just more spider-like biologically.
>He's just more spider-like biologically.
Does he shoot webs out his butt or penis?
Did anyone actually watch that show?
I'm surprised spiderman hasn't done that already
>Does he shoot webs out his butt or penis?
No, it's the Raimi way. It comes out of his wrists.
>Does he shoot webs out his butt or penis?
that sounds deeply unpleasant.
It still feels like it'd be a better fit there.
How so? You’re clearly misunderstanding something. Explain to me your understanding of this.
Why doesn’t traditional Scorpion have an emblem on his chest? He’s supposed to be evil Spider-Man. They put that shit on Venom but not him?
KEK even the tarantula has a crest
That guy sucks.
When he was created I don’t think any of Spider-Man’s villains had logos. They didn’t really need them, they were just criminals. And it just kind of stuck, just like him having horizontal lines across his entire body
Which villains have logos?
The cannibalism thing would be a non-issue for the most part. He’d still be able to eat regular food, but he’ll have the feeling of eating people initially in the transformation and at certain stressful moments. The point of these would be to foreshadow Peter’s further mutations starting with the extra arms and then into Man-Spider. Of course, this would be a temporary thing and he’d be returned to normal.
Mac would go through the same things but would straight up eat people anyway. At first, it seems like it’s the scorpion dna making him eat people. Then it’s revealed that it wasn’t. He’s just fricked up like that. Like Peter, he’d go through further mutations as well. Unlike 616, this Scorpion doesn’t have the tail and he’d have this microscopic finger stingers that’d paralyze or poison others with just a touch. He’d mutate to have a tail and then transform into Man-Scorpion (name pending).
Please tell me ends with Liz and Lilly listening to voicemail messages he left Lilly and hearing
>Hey, I hope you're doing ok. I'm phoning because I think I'm starting to think I might be a clone? And I don't know what that means for Stanley, hereditary illness and genetics wise. As his mom I thought you ought to kn-the frick? is that a giant centipeAAAAAGGGHHH
And then the last panel is just Lilly and Liz looking baffled.
Liz STILL doesn't KNOW. Marvel is determined to keep her and Normie in the dark. Their dedication to ignoring the demonic elephant in the room would be impressive if it wasn't MADDENING!
I think rn they just want to pretend the spencer run didn't happen due to how much it spits against their current direction.
But the whole sin thing started with Spencer.
Yeah, but even that they treat differently from how that run did and they always avoid talking about anything from that run in a specific way. Probably because addressing a run whose ending point was "peter and mj's love is unbreakable" is....counter productive?
The sins are treated exactly the same way.
I think the issue is more likely that the ending was unintelligible.
Ehhh, norman shows ambition beyond just making amneds witch is at odds with how the sins were shown to work and pacify people. And again, even the sins stuff is treated super vague. Avoiding every story detail about the run, because that run was a spit in the face to everything this run is trying to do again.
I'm going to be honest, the whole Norman’s getting his sim shot gun out of him was kind of dumb to being with.
I dont necesarily disagree, tho again that that is the only thing that really plays into this run is telling to how much it resents it.
If the Scrier cult isn't just for this mini then it would be their best chance of ironing out the A.I and supernatural entanglement.
On another note, how many cults has Norman had?
I think Norman's had three cults so far but I might be forgetting something.
I mean it's less of a bomb and more just bringing up a the last few issues of the JMD arc where Harry'd taken the formula, and was trying to be his dad while deteriorating mentally and physically.
Sucks that no one can actually read it and it's a weird time and place to bring it up again, especially after Kindred.
Did Lily get her kid back at all?
No to the kid. She was injured.
-insert diabolical laughter here-
Norman Osborn is hazardous to the mental and moral well-being of women everywhere. If Misery is given a new mini, Scrier!Kolina will be a villain. For whatever reason, Stanley is totally getting kidnapped. Poor fellow is getting a complex like his big brother.
Wait kolina is back and a scrier? Huh.
Why is Lilly white again?
It's a fascinating survival technique brought out by the serum, a reverse Brown Bomber, if you will. Lily pulls it out whenever she feels overwhelmed so nobody recognizes her. For legal purposes I must confess that this is a shitpost.
Wait that was Lily?
The strangely pale blonde woman in the hospital bed is indeed Lily.
Goblin serum works in mysterious ways
Storytime it anon
Do I have to do it, Sir?
RCO hasnt updated it yet :
Fiiiiiine. *grumbles non-seriously*
Well that's the order of the goblin (and they're using the wrong name), surprising they're bringing it back. But I guess with evil norman coming back we could have norman with an evil waifu.
Wow, they literally brought back Kolina but still won't address why Emily suddenly felt like she had to just FAKE HER DEATH when everything we'd seen so far had Norman being loving to her.
Emily and BND Harry were clones that Kolina created because Norman was sad and she thought that would fix him~
That'd make a whole lot of fricking sense unironically
Someone in a previous posted a pic of gold goblin and his sin wall/wall of name, who is THE BABY?
Stop reading comics and stop making Spider-Man threads. That's what it'll take, you stupid Black person.
https://strawpoll.com/61gDm785OZw
Storytime for Misery#5. Really wasn't feeling it but maybe someone will enjoy.
that is a beautiful stormin' norman.. bare tummy normie next
>What would it take to unfrick Peter Parker?
Peter and Felicia kino.
Simple as that.
Profit.
Marvel won't even allow that. Unless hickman decides ultimate peter can.
Im expecting crack ships tbh, like something way farther than kitty pryde.
Please be rogue, please be rogue. But what crack ship do you foresee with Hickman?
Kamala level crack bruh, it would make the biggest headline lmao.
Oh no
We already had that with the latest cartoon.
They were prepping you for this.
You can kind of fit Rogue into a spider-theme with her touch being kind of like a venom in that it paralyzes people.
I think getting your abilities/lifeforce by a sexy southerner would paralyze anyone.
its me or Cinemaphile is running slow today
I'd like Spidey to breakdance while swinging his enemies with his webs like this: https://youtu.be/J2jCXpcnMFM
based
Spiderman games should'e been stylish actiion games from the start. Imagine styling on Norman in full DMC/MGR flair
>Spiderman games should'e been stylish actiion games from the start.
Web of shadows had that type of combat. Beating up a wall crawling symbiote goon on a wall just to aerial juggle it and body surf it when you reach the ground. Also sytle switching between normal and black suit moves on the fly.
brevoort can't help himself
Good god breevort is an insecure little b***h, he really can’t take the fact no one like his dumbass opinions
Good Lord, now i dread that brevoort will force hickman to make Paul the spider man
uncanny spider-man 2 var
post release spider-gwen annual 1 var
MADE to be sexually harrassed by a middle aged man wearing a cheap Halloween Goblin mask
speaking of
Reeks of the absurd fanboying of Gwen by Breevort and Yoshida
Oh yeah they are beating the shit out of this dead horse.
Oh for sure, odd timing. But at the same time, no one really cares about these stories yet.
Frenz: "After The First Death..."
Untold Tales Of Spider-Man anthology novel, 1997.
Written by The Legendary Tom DeFalco!
Inks by The Very Tall Patrick Olliffe!
God i love frenz so much
>breevort still cant cope after 50 years
Its sad really.
>already butchers the characterization of gwen
fast!
This reads like the writer has never read those 60s storylines. Gwen and Flash act nothing like themselves here
Weren’t Pete and Flash buds at this point?
They weren't friends yet but they also weren't actively antagonistic to each other like they're shown here. And Flash certainly wouldn't have done anything like that unprovoked with Gwen there
Flash: nothing like himself
Gwen: ...Reminds me of the panel where she's decided to play the part of liberated woman tbh.
OG Pete wouldn’t have tolerated that shit. He’d straight up rush Flash and frick him up.
Flash also never actually did anything physical to him, JMD wrote a whole touching story about that where peter tells flash to back off or he'd regret it and flash agrees and keeps it to just verbal jabs.
Well he did shove him and break his glasses before the boxing thing
Well yeah, but he wasnt constantly hitting him or punching him. Mind you I think adaptations changing that is ok in their context, in 616 its just strange. Especially in the college era where flash was a veteran.
Agent venom yeah frick.
FRICK YEAH!
Tho anti venom is a fantastic design too.
Yeah. I'll be honest New Ways to die was the only BNDish story I love. It ain't perfect but it was entertaining
One of the few good arcs there, but also basically has zero personal moments for peter. Says a lot.
The benes school draws a good mj
Huh? The slott run was super divisive consttnatly. And that run was just a parade of superficial gimmicks with peter not having a personal life, and it lasted 8 years solo. The sins past retcon was specner.
The dark expressions on Gwen and Peter's face are hilariously sinister. The writer should have just brought back one of Flash's stooges from High School. If he'd done that this would be an okay enough story.
that's all
oops forgot to link the previous chapter
That explains why she doesn't mind superheroes yet. Daddy dearest hasn't kicked it yet. How did this get Flash so wrong?
They didn’t read the old stuff. They’re probably going off of TASM.
Did George Stacy die that way in TASM?
spider-boy 1 fanexpo expo exclusive. Dunno whether this one should count
$100 dollars by the way
Well, did you enjoy reading it? Personally I wouldn't.
Did Spider-Boy kill Gwen Stacy?
No. Spider boy help with MJ's miscarriage and Ben Reilly's death
37 spider-boy variants in total
Will the character fall off is the real question.
Is it even a question?
I wish I could say yes but idk, the only legacy consistent in sales is prob miles.
Is he? He drops a lot until the start of a new volume, rn he's at his highest consistency and even that isn't that much. Also I guess depends if you count Nightwing and such as a legacy or not.
Pretty fast.
Comm anon, how would ultimate Peter react to seeing that two different versions of spiderman were able to having kids and a loving family
Wasn’t Ultimate Peter engaged to MJ?
I don't remember. All I do remember is that ultimate Peter and MJ hit the road leaving Miles to be NYC's spiderman. Than miles got shoved into 616
Ultimate peter? Probably be happy? Lke he was in a relationship with his MJ pretty early into his life.
The real question is how quickly will his run drop in sales
updated cover of the previously posted variant
Wat?
I wish we could get stats on which writers have actually read which issues of Spider-Man before they start writing.
Like how Spencer made it a point to read every issue of ASM before starting his run
Did he actually read all 801 issues plus annuals of ASM?
I think so. I think he didn't refresh himself on the side books since there's some small mistakes there compared to asm.
He really should have read Peter Parker the spectacular Spider Man too. Good shit man. Good shit.
I think some stuff went more off memory, given the harry bit. But that's just a theory.
Honestly I don't expect any man to remember 801 plus issues of the amazing Spider-Man. Also it's the editor's job to make sure shit is in continuity. Lowe really sucks at his job
See I'm curious to know how much Lowe has read
The world may never know
Lowe got his job becuase his brother made a song for nextwave....
It seems lowe is a very very unnatentive editor.
The frick is a next wave?
Jokey superhero book marvel did in the 00s.
He claims he did. Didn't mention anything about the other books though. I think it's why he had that trivia contest issue
The thing is that as Slott and Wells have pointed out, they focus on story rather than character, it’s a super lazy way of skipping what can cause a change in a character and they don’t need to worry about retconning any change in the character for the next writer.
Toybox mentality is part of the reason people aren't really jumping into big 2 comics rn.
https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs
why did you make me check its profile?
Well doesn't that just explain it all
Lol I'm blocked, what did she say.
if you wanna be a girl you can just be a girl
writer of the gwen story above
Oh I see.
Who is she again?
>she
wait body horror Spider-man is being discussed!?
I gotta dig this out then
His shits would need to stop selling, but you spider-piggies just can't help yourselves. You've done a magnificent job helping Miles out and bringing him up.
Whenever Electro's origin get retconned to be Eel related, does that make him Eelectro?
ed benes mary jane
Thanks
final
I don’t know if the colorist simply went his/her own way or if Editorial requested the change but it ended up looking pretty cool.(Not sure about the “chrome” effect on the spider but then, I’m a stickler.)
Please to enjoy,
Ron.
right, lowe too
I'm not for violence but Lowe really makes me doubt my values
Your values are shit
Was kickamn the one that made Jean, Scott, and Wolverines connect their room?
Yes
Yes to the hickman thing, yes to the shit values thing, or both?
Hickman wrote all of krakoa
Lowe and breevort are such fricking cucks.
"ASM fans should be more positive" lowe/brevoort keep poking a bear.
They dont have much self reflection
Could work.
Brevoort and Lowe putting shade on Hickman with “lolcharts” is unfunny, but it is very funny to imagine them malding.
“WE WROTE YOU A PERFECTLY GOOD KEK RUN YOU UNGRATEFUL FRICKS”
I dont think they get what the joke I supposed to be.
They’d never have reposted it if they noticed the Paul reference.
the other way around pal
More so, they didnt notice it was poking fun at that and the wolverine thing.
You keep forgetting Lowe is a shitty editor
>Scott goes across Jeans room to frick Wolverine
>MJ goes across Paul’s room to frick Spiderman
Fumbled
Worst thing is she is really really attractive nowadays.
Drawing this dude for the first time!
spine tingling
Marvel Heroes Hit the Slopes in New Ski Chalet Variant Covers
Enjoy a winter wonderland of stunning new variant covers this December.
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Brought to you by an all-star lineup of artists, these frosty new variant covers will be featured on select Marvel titles throughout December. The new art showcases Captain America, Storm, Spider-Boy, and more decked out in new winter apparel designs and enjoying all kinds of cold weather activities.
With seven in total, fans can feel the chill all month long!
>it's actually 40 spider-boy variants in total. I'm so losing the count
Slobb keeps saying variants don’t help sales so why the frick does his book have 40
I'm counting all variants with the character. Spider-boy book in specific has like 15 (which is still a lot)
I see but 15 covers for one issue is absolutely fricking ridiculous, they must be really trying to bait speculators in
pat olliffe
frenz
Frenz as always shows why he's my favorite spider-man artist lol
I like Wieringo best. Then Turner.
Wiernigo was great honestly, best cartoony artist in the big two honestly. Turner im blanking
She wasnt a model that long actually.
Michael Turner. Mostly iconic Marvel crossover covers and promotional stuff in the early 2000's.
Ahhh, yeah he's good, not in my top 20 but solid.
Wait that guy did that one batman vs spider-man piece too, neat
First comic book I ever bought in my entire life was pic related. Back when they were on the shelves at 7/11.
So Wieringo set the bar for me.
Very nice.
silver sable bio for those who care
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/silver-sable-explained-mercenary-wild-pack
~~~
Now standing as the leader of a new Wild Pack and Sable International, Silver Sable has been hired to hunt down Nightcrawler. While Orchis casts the X-Man as a dangerous killer, Sable already seems to be one of the few people who sees the teleporting vigilante as the hero he really is.
>man slott and spencer really left a big fricking turd on the character
So she is literally to 616 what Felicia hardy was to spider man TAS, a Super solider off The infinity formula and the super soldier serum
That costume sucks.
The Scarlet Witch wakes up, she just had a nightmare where she went crazy and attacked the Avengers with conjurations of all their worst fears. Luckily it was just a dream.
Marvel continues on from that point.
which schizo will create a thread this time?
If he doesn't, then some other moron probably will. And then the sad cycle will continue.
Cinemaphile really doesn't constant Spider-Man threads with no actual topic or reason to be. I don't want a fricking general for the shitposters and avatargays to run round in.
avatargays?
I’d like to talk more about body horror Spider-Man and what that would entail.
We have a reason, previews are out tomorrow. I don't really wanna see another schizo thread though
normanbro create a thread
No
>ship thread
you had one job