>evil force kills everybody >mind controls them to think that's good >shit starts from zero with no indication it will be any different
fricking Ide, man.
I mean you can also say that at the end they weren't at the mercy of the Ide anymore and they're going to start life anew somewhere else
the only depressive thing about it is how there's no guarantee it'll go that way completely so the fighting might just happen all over again
b***h from mercury, how the frick did that pitch went? >so we are going to have two lesbian main characters but they aren't really lesbians, they are actually forced into being together at the beginning of the show but they don't actually do anything together, oh and in the second cour they don't even talk to each other, and don't worry about kissing or anything too explicit because they don't even hold hands lol. Gundams? Oh right this is a mecha show uhhh well how about we ask a bunch of designers to submit some designs? Nah anything will do really, just throw some shit at the wall, people will focus on the girls anyways, I'll make sure to research what the kids are into today and put lots of fan service. 24 episodes??? No way, this is meant for like 6 episodes at most oh shit I don't have anything that could cover that long, okay how about this, we'll have a mystery plot but never give any details about it, we'll just have the characters talk about it mysteriously and that will surely keep the pelple hooked for way more than they should
I'd add Ideon, Zambot 3, Shin Hakkenden and Tekkaman Blade
also this but it's depressing because Gundam will be forever BlackRock propagandas garbage since this disgrace of a show is major success thanks to Redditors and /u/ homosexuals
The ending of Zambot where Kappei is falling to earth and questioning that he's even done the right thing remains the sharpest dagger Tomino's ever cut me with
I love how during the finale facing Gaizok Kappei can't coherently come up with some form of clever rebuttal and just cries because he's really just a fricking child
The ending of Zambot where Kappei is falling to earth and questioning that he's even done the right thing remains the sharpest dagger Tomino's ever cut me with
Tomino is the only one that can make a mecha cry fit into the story.
It's amazing how well Zambot aged, I'd say it aged even much better than Gundam 79
It's insane it's a 46 years old show
>It's amazing how well Zambot aged
What do you even mean by this? Zambot benefits from being shorter than MSG and having fricking Kanada on board, but I wouldn't go as far as putting it above MSG.
Baldios. Not a single one of its endings are happy or even vaguely positive
TV: >Gattler melts the polar ice caps. The Blue Fixer team have to sit and watch as Earth flooded and billions die. The End
Extended ending: >Earth is revealed to be S1 in the past. Humanity is trapped in an endless time loop where the planet will always be irradiated beyond repair and Marin and Gattler will always go back in time. A majority of the secondary cast are killed before the show just stops.
Movie: >Gattler nukes the earth and turns it into a barren wasteland. Tsukikage dies in a suicide attack. Gattler is shot by Aphrodia who then shoots herself. She slowly dies in Marin’s arms without telling him her feelings as the two return to the destroyed earth
Intended TV ending: >Aphrodia is killed protecting the Blue Fixer base (again without telling Marin her feelings). Raita dies trying to disarm a nuke but Gattler just launches some more anyway meaning his death was completely in vain. Gattler heads off to places unknown and is revealed to have taken control of the earth in the even further past and become an emperor. Marin heads to Earth, wounded and hallucinates all those who have perished before its implied he dies himself.
So in the intended television anime ending the bad guy just outright wins and heads off elsewhere? That’s cold, I like the fan idea from an earlier thread last year where the last MOTW is just a heavily modified baldios from the past that while the viewers can tell it’s the title machine the main cast has no idea
Ahah I was the one in that thread who was gonna write those scripts for the unfinished episodes. Turns out there’s actually more info about the unproduced parts of the show than I previously thought, there’s loads of stuff on the Japanese net like scripts and storyboards so I probably should’ve done more research on that front kek. But yeah, the script for the final episode has Gattler basically laugh in Marin’s face when they meet face to face and then tells him to frick off as he rides off into space unknown with the S1 inhabitants looking for a new planet. When Marin returns to Earth, the script explicitly mentions Marin passing a large stone mural on the beach that depicts Gattler ruling over some kind of kingdom in ancient times. The official novelisation goes even further and states he arrived back on Earth in ancient times and the S1 populace mixed with the Earth people which just further adds to the Earth = S1 connection. I read another source elsewhere that suggested in an earlier draft that Gattler reveals that the S1 people in stasis are already dead as the ship’s system failed leaving Marin and Gattler as the only S1 alive but I can’t verify that
"Now and Then, Here and There" is barely /m/, but it's honest-to-God suffering porn.
Also, others not yet mentioned: >Texhnolyze. >Bokurano (especially the manga) >Ryvius. >Getter Robo at the very end. >Fang of the Sun Dougram. >Blue Submarine n.6 >Argento Soma, despite the hopeful ending.
NTA, but the whole run of episodes leading to that conclusion is depressing enough, especially the internal coup in the revolutionary forces, the spaceport receiving more and more feddie troops, Samalin losing hope and looking defeated as he is corraled into the peace talks and later house arrest, Zalstev just hanging out in jail and nobody breaking him out, Lecoque having his way, Von Stein's death and Destin losing it, among other things.
I get that there's hope of rebuilding in the ending and moving onto better endeavours, but I felt demoralized as shit alongside the revolutionaries as things unfolded; the world is not an idealistic moral dichotomy where all the good guys are on one side and they just win because they are justified, and the show exposes that perfectly.
I think knowing Lecoque doesn't get to reap the benefits of his scheming is a little comforting and the new Deloyer government was able to assert itself against his forces. It's not a total victory but things are completely bleak.
I found Samalin's decisions near the end a bit forced. Just not what I would expect from a character like him.
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I feel it was appropriate considering how everything got thrown off by Carmel taking control.
Samalin had this very small window for an independent Deloyer for which he waited his whole life, and he watched it be shut down because the revolutionary army marching to the North Pole had to stop. Then he travels there for the peace talks, sees the Earth troops gathering, growing more and more by the hour, and he questions himself about whether he even had that faint chance for autonomy at all.
He can't wait another 50 or 60 years for more chances like this to come up and he eventually yields for the sacrifice of the people involved to not go in vain, especially when the Fang of the Sun, the valiant group that made most of this possible, is about to be crushed by official forces. They are young and they'll get their opportunities at life elsewhere, as long as they don't throw away their lives so early.
11 months ago
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Yes but I don't think that would be the end of his thought process or at least his way of acting upon it.
>Getter robo at the very end
It may have seemed grim they lost one of their own and retired the original machine but in the process got benkei and the new and improved Getter G
Benkei is good and all but Musashi will always be my favorite — always cheering the rest of the group and Saotome family, being the hub keeping it all together at times.
At least there'a the SRW games where you can save him/he survives and can make him an ace.
David knew that he was very likely going to die so instead of fricking her, he spared her the pain of forging a connection with him and having it severed almost immediately afterwards.
>>SO LONG AGOOOOOOOO! IT ONLY SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY! SO FAR AWAY! WE USED TO WATCH THE CHILDREN PLAY! IF THERE WAS TIME! THEN I COULD STOP THIS RAGING TIDE! IF THERE WAS A PLACE! THEN I COULD HAVE YOU BACK HERE BY MY SIDE!
there literally isn't its just the show.
if you don't think that the ending is extremely hopeful and positive what were you watching the whole time?
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Anonymous
Shinji rejecting instrumentality doesn't negate all the horrible things that happened prior. Hell, it's even an acknowledgement that these horrible things are going to continue to happen. Yes, there is something hopeful in choosing your individuality over ego-death, but the note the movie ends on doesn't feel like a hopeful one. It doesn't feel like "things will get better", it feels like "life is hell a lot of the time and we just have to cope with that"
11 months ago
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The characters all go through collective introspection to compensate for the lack of communication and all the misunderstandings that happen throughout the series, Shinji learns that it's worth living even if bad shit happens and even if they are hurt they own their actions and accept each other, how is that a "depressing" ending?
11 months ago
Anonymous
the very fact that while life is hell, but you still choose to live and to try get along with people, even though you hurt each other, is the most powerful message there can be.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That still doesn't make the series any less bleak/depressive. Just because there's positive meta comment in the end it doesn't make EVA and EoE any less bleak or a depressing work by nature, Anno made EoE while depressed himself.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anno didn't make the entire thing by himself.
11 months ago
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Reading comprehension.
11 months ago
Anonymous
homie world is bleak and depressive
if everything is sunshine and rainbows its fake and pointless and you can't relate to it
if there was no suffering the journey of the characters would have no point or impact
If a happy ending for humanity means killing each other until an incomprehensible higher power wipes out the fricking universe, then I'd say that's pretty depressing. Yes, the final moments of Ideon are positive ones and it's seriously beautiful, but consider all that happened to get there and the implications of that.
I think you can also take it as a "humanity will eventually learn its lesson" sort of thing, just the idea that you sometimes gotta fight tooth and nail to get your peace
Man, I dunno. Humanity didn't learn, it was reset. Several times in Be Invoked they explicitly draw attention to the pointlessness of the conflict - "what am I even fighting for?" - so I'm not able to draw that kind of message. Fighting doesn't earn peace, it's the enemy of peace, both sides are trapped in this struggle and are so deathly afraid of each other that they can't visualize themselves at peace with other still alive. I think the most positive reading of the ending is that humanity has the POTENTIAL to achieve that kind of understanding, we are just so buried in bias and misconception and fear and other emotions and we need to shed that if we're gonna go on. So to me, yeah, it's depressing. Feels like we are cursed, and that kind of perfect understanding seen in the end is more like an unattainable ideal. That's my 2 cents, I have my own biases and worldview that lead to this reading but that's how I see it. Depressing or not, Ideon is a beautiful series, I love it.
Oh yeah I completely agree, I'm just saying that what I'm saying could probably be the most optimistic way of looking at it even if it may not be entirely accurate
> humanity means killing each other until an incomprehensible higher power wipes out the fricking universe
Which is exactly what will happen on August the 25th 2028 at 2135
I think Victory has to be the most depressing, the constant deaths and the effect they have on Uso hit hard and it's 52 episodes of that shit
Ideon is bleaker overall but most character deaths don't hit as hard and most of the darker shit is concentrated in the movie, and even then it's more bleak and shocking than depressing
Ideon is still pretty fricking depressing tough
Eva can be dark and depressing at times but it's not that bad compared to Tomino stuff
I don't know if depressing is right since it's not a serious show but if you're looking for bleak endings MD Geist has the protag purposely doom a planet to extinction because he can't stop and he's just a soldier.
Pic not related? they have a happy ending
>evil force kills everybody
>mind controls them to think that's good
>shit starts from zero with no indication it will be any different
fricking Ide, man.
I mean you can also say that at the end they weren't at the mercy of the Ide anymore and they're going to start life anew somewhere else
the only depressive thing about it is how there's no guarantee it'll go that way completely so the fighting might just happen all over again
>Pic not related? they have a happy ending
Very pic related. Go the frick back with this bullshit argument already.
moron.
You're the moron homosexual! GTFO.
b***h from mercury, how the frick did that pitch went?
>so we are going to have two lesbian main characters but they aren't really lesbians, they are actually forced into being together at the beginning of the show but they don't actually do anything together, oh and in the second cour they don't even talk to each other, and don't worry about kissing or anything too explicit because they don't even hold hands lol. Gundams? Oh right this is a mecha show uhhh well how about we ask a bunch of designers to submit some designs? Nah anything will do really, just throw some shit at the wall, people will focus on the girls anyways, I'll make sure to research what the kids are into today and put lots of fan service. 24 episodes??? No way, this is meant for like 6 episodes at most oh shit I don't have anything that could cover that long, okay how about this, we'll have a mystery plot but never give any details about it, we'll just have the characters talk about it mysteriously and that will surely keep the pelple hooked for way more than they should
rent free
Holy obsession
Victory Gundam for sure.
I'd add Ideon, Zambot 3, Shin Hakkenden and Tekkaman Blade
also this but it's depressing because Gundam will be forever BlackRock propagandas garbage since this disgrace of a show is major success thanks to Redditors and /u/ homosexuals
The ending of Zambot where Kappei is falling to earth and questioning that he's even done the right thing remains the sharpest dagger Tomino's ever cut me with
Tomino is the only one that can make a mecha cry fit into the story.
I'll point you to George Akiyama's "The Moon" from the early 70s
the ending was so disappointing
>everyone just dies and story ends lol
Yeah I didn't love the manga overall, but Moon itself had such a good design and there was a lot of impactful artwork, so worth a read overall.
yeah, the art and atmosphere was great.
villains were so creepy too.
I just hated how Moon was being useless 90% of the time because everytime there's a problem, a kid was missing
That looks quite interesting and I wasn't aware of it, thanks for the recommendation.
I love how during the finale facing Gaizok Kappei can't coherently come up with some form of clever rebuttal and just cries because he's really just a fricking child
It's amazing how well Zambot aged, I'd say it aged even much better than Gundam 79
It's insane it's a 46 years old show
>It's amazing how well Zambot aged
What do you even mean by this? Zambot benefits from being shorter than MSG and having fricking Kanada on board, but I wouldn't go as far as putting it above MSG.
I don't think the whole show is that amazing overall but the highlights are definitely special
This series is pure distilled suffering in animated film.
christ the mech is crying even on the cover
Blue Gender.
Sure Second Earth is fricked but it does have an hopeful ending with the Blue being gone + Yuu and Marlene getting a kid while living simply
Baldios. Not a single one of its endings are happy or even vaguely positive
TV:
>Gattler melts the polar ice caps. The Blue Fixer team have to sit and watch as Earth flooded and billions die. The End
Extended ending:
>Earth is revealed to be S1 in the past. Humanity is trapped in an endless time loop where the planet will always be irradiated beyond repair and Marin and Gattler will always go back in time. A majority of the secondary cast are killed before the show just stops.
Movie:
>Gattler nukes the earth and turns it into a barren wasteland. Tsukikage dies in a suicide attack. Gattler is shot by Aphrodia who then shoots herself. She slowly dies in Marin’s arms without telling him her feelings as the two return to the destroyed earth
Intended TV ending:
>Aphrodia is killed protecting the Blue Fixer base (again without telling Marin her feelings). Raita dies trying to disarm a nuke but Gattler just launches some more anyway meaning his death was completely in vain. Gattler heads off to places unknown and is revealed to have taken control of the earth in the even further past and become an emperor. Marin heads to Earth, wounded and hallucinates all those who have perished before its implied he dies himself.
Baldios really needs a remake.
great show with awful animations
So in the intended television anime ending the bad guy just outright wins and heads off elsewhere? That’s cold, I like the fan idea from an earlier thread last year where the last MOTW is just a heavily modified baldios from the past that while the viewers can tell it’s the title machine the main cast has no idea
Ahah I was the one in that thread who was gonna write those scripts for the unfinished episodes. Turns out there’s actually more info about the unproduced parts of the show than I previously thought, there’s loads of stuff on the Japanese net like scripts and storyboards so I probably should’ve done more research on that front kek. But yeah, the script for the final episode has Gattler basically laugh in Marin’s face when they meet face to face and then tells him to frick off as he rides off into space unknown with the S1 inhabitants looking for a new planet. When Marin returns to Earth, the script explicitly mentions Marin passing a large stone mural on the beach that depicts Gattler ruling over some kind of kingdom in ancient times. The official novelisation goes even further and states he arrived back on Earth in ancient times and the S1 populace mixed with the Earth people which just further adds to the Earth = S1 connection. I read another source elsewhere that suggested in an earlier draft that Gattler reveals that the S1 people in stasis are already dead as the ship’s system failed leaving Marin and Gattler as the only S1 alive but I can’t verify that
"Now and Then, Here and There" is barely /m/, but it's honest-to-God suffering porn.
Also, others not yet mentioned:
>Texhnolyze.
>Bokurano (especially the manga)
>Ryvius.
>Getter Robo at the very end.
>Fang of the Sun Dougram.
>Blue Submarine n.6
>Argento Soma, despite the hopeful ending.
I will watch your show now.
>dougram
b-but dougramwinslol...
There are two enemies that Dougram could never defeat.
>politics
>anemic soltics in pyjamas
Brave Deloyerean martyr ends tyranny before it begins.
ehh, the ending is kinda gloomy that lol the war accomplished nothing go find your own planet or something I dunno lol but it's not _that_ grim
NTA, but the whole run of episodes leading to that conclusion is depressing enough, especially the internal coup in the revolutionary forces, the spaceport receiving more and more feddie troops, Samalin losing hope and looking defeated as he is corraled into the peace talks and later house arrest, Zalstev just hanging out in jail and nobody breaking him out, Lecoque having his way, Von Stein's death and Destin losing it, among other things.
I get that there's hope of rebuilding in the ending and moving onto better endeavours, but I felt demoralized as shit alongside the revolutionaries as things unfolded; the world is not an idealistic moral dichotomy where all the good guys are on one side and they just win because they are justified, and the show exposes that perfectly.
I think knowing Lecoque doesn't get to reap the benefits of his scheming is a little comforting and the new Deloyer government was able to assert itself against his forces. It's not a total victory but things are completely bleak.
man Lecoque was a great villain
I found Samalin's decisions near the end a bit forced. Just not what I would expect from a character like him.
I feel it was appropriate considering how everything got thrown off by Carmel taking control.
Samalin had this very small window for an independent Deloyer for which he waited his whole life, and he watched it be shut down because the revolutionary army marching to the North Pole had to stop. Then he travels there for the peace talks, sees the Earth troops gathering, growing more and more by the hour, and he questions himself about whether he even had that faint chance for autonomy at all.
He can't wait another 50 or 60 years for more chances like this to come up and he eventually yields for the sacrifice of the people involved to not go in vain, especially when the Fang of the Sun, the valiant group that made most of this possible, is about to be crushed by official forces. They are young and they'll get their opportunities at life elsewhere, as long as they don't throw away their lives so early.
Yes but I don't think that would be the end of his thought process or at least his way of acting upon it.
>Getter robo at the very end
It may have seemed grim they lost one of their own and retired the original machine but in the process got benkei and the new and improved Getter G
Benkei is good and all but Musashi will always be my favorite — always cheering the rest of the group and Saotome family, being the hub keeping it all together at times.
At least there'a the SRW games where you can save him/he survives and can make him an ace.
I never understood why the guy on the suicide mission didn't frick the teacher
David knew that he was very likely going to die so instead of fricking her, he spared her the pain of forging a connection with him and having it severed almost immediately afterwards.
>>SO LONG AGOOOOOOOO! IT ONLY SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY! SO FAR AWAY! WE USED TO WATCH THE CHILDREN PLAY! IF THERE WAS TIME! THEN I COULD STOP THIS RAGING TIDE! IF THERE WAS A PLACE! THEN I COULD HAVE YOU BACK HERE BY MY SIDE!
Zeta
EVA
EoE
Victory
>Eva
>EOE
depressive
Black person what
It's one of the main topics of the shows.
its very positive in the end and takes me out of mine.
Wow it's almost like there's different interpretations of it from different viewpoints. moron.
there literally isn't its just the show.
if you don't think that the ending is extremely hopeful and positive what were you watching the whole time?
Shinji rejecting instrumentality doesn't negate all the horrible things that happened prior. Hell, it's even an acknowledgement that these horrible things are going to continue to happen. Yes, there is something hopeful in choosing your individuality over ego-death, but the note the movie ends on doesn't feel like a hopeful one. It doesn't feel like "things will get better", it feels like "life is hell a lot of the time and we just have to cope with that"
The characters all go through collective introspection to compensate for the lack of communication and all the misunderstandings that happen throughout the series, Shinji learns that it's worth living even if bad shit happens and even if they are hurt they own their actions and accept each other, how is that a "depressing" ending?
the very fact that while life is hell, but you still choose to live and to try get along with people, even though you hurt each other, is the most powerful message there can be.
That still doesn't make the series any less bleak/depressive. Just because there's positive meta comment in the end it doesn't make EVA and EoE any less bleak or a depressing work by nature, Anno made EoE while depressed himself.
Anno didn't make the entire thing by himself.
Reading comprehension.
homie world is bleak and depressive
if everything is sunshine and rainbows its fake and pointless and you can't relate to it
if there was no suffering the journey of the characters would have no point or impact
Adding aura battler dunbine, zeta gundam, genocyber & Farewell to Space Battleship Yamato: In the Name of Love.
Based picks from other anons ITT:
>Blue Gender
>Ideon
>V gundam
>Zambot 3
>Baldios
>eva
>Tekkaman Blade
I need to watch Shin Hakkenden. I'm not familiar with it.
Ideon isn't depressing because it has a happy ending. It's bleak and somber at times but not depressing.
If a happy ending for humanity means killing each other until an incomprehensible higher power wipes out the fricking universe, then I'd say that's pretty depressing. Yes, the final moments of Ideon are positive ones and it's seriously beautiful, but consider all that happened to get there and the implications of that.
I think you can also take it as a "humanity will eventually learn its lesson" sort of thing, just the idea that you sometimes gotta fight tooth and nail to get your peace
Man, I dunno. Humanity didn't learn, it was reset. Several times in Be Invoked they explicitly draw attention to the pointlessness of the conflict - "what am I even fighting for?" - so I'm not able to draw that kind of message. Fighting doesn't earn peace, it's the enemy of peace, both sides are trapped in this struggle and are so deathly afraid of each other that they can't visualize themselves at peace with other still alive. I think the most positive reading of the ending is that humanity has the POTENTIAL to achieve that kind of understanding, we are just so buried in bias and misconception and fear and other emotions and we need to shed that if we're gonna go on. So to me, yeah, it's depressing. Feels like we are cursed, and that kind of perfect understanding seen in the end is more like an unattainable ideal. That's my 2 cents, I have my own biases and worldview that lead to this reading but that's how I see it. Depressing or not, Ideon is a beautiful series, I love it.
Oh yeah I completely agree, I'm just saying that what I'm saying could probably be the most optimistic way of looking at it even if it may not be entirely accurate
>they died therefore it's sad 🙁
Midwit.
Not him but you need fricking meds. What a fricking moron.
If you felt depressed at the end you didn't understand it.
Nice & convenient deflection moron. Try again.
>deflection
You don't even know what you are trying to argue about.
I never made an argument in the first place moron. Go back.
> humanity means killing each other until an incomprehensible higher power wipes out the fricking universe
Which is exactly what will happen on August the 25th 2028 at 2135
Stfu moron
(You) seriously need meds.......
Birth & Macross zero
A Wind Named Amnesia?
Also i'm not that anon.
I think Victory has to be the most depressing, the constant deaths and the effect they have on Uso hit hard and it's 52 episodes of that shit
Ideon is bleaker overall but most character deaths don't hit as hard and most of the darker shit is concentrated in the movie, and even then it's more bleak and shocking than depressing
Ideon is still pretty fricking depressing tough
Eva can be dark and depressing at times but it's not that bad compared to Tomino stuff
Genocyber
depressive or depressiNG?
both
both is good
For me, its Fafner: Right of Left. That second half is just heartwrenching to watch.
I don't know if depressing is right since it's not a serious show but if you're looking for bleak endings MD Geist has the protag purposely doom a planet to extinction because he can't stop and he's just a soldier.
What else did you expect? He’s certifiably DANGEROUS
>anal program