He has a valid point when he says 'they're not going to be here for 400 years'. So what is his actually point? Okay so he makes a plan up in his mind, he can't tell anybody, but he just does it. So? How does that fix anything? He won't be alive to act it out in 400 years. The only point of such an act is to make people come out to target you so you can stop them.
Yes and it is specifically stated that Clarence is going to have to guard him 'for the rest of his life'. So he isn't going into the hibernation capsules.
how does that mean there would be no hibernation capsule? he can go in and Clarence will still spend the rest of his own life guarding him, why are you ESLs always so fricking stupid?
>Build proton shielded conference room with some cryochambers >Invite some important people into the conference room to discuss strategies >Seal door with more proton shielding >There should now be one of two Sophons trapped inside the conference room >Verify this by operating two particle colliders at the same time and seeing if one of them works properly. >Go into cryosleep and leave instructions saying that the room should only be opened after the war is won
Thats the best I got. It doesn't defeat the ayyliums but it does permanently take one of the sophons out of the game. If the sophon doesn't take the bait and enter the room then I've invented an eavesdrop proof room so its still a win.
>What if they send more sophons?
Sophons are they size of planets so presumably the ayyliums don't have the ability to make more, at least while they traveling in their fleet. But this process could be continuously repeated by other people, each time creating either a trapped sophon or an eavesdrop proof room.
>Sophons are they size of planets
they are the size of photons you cretin >the ayyliums don't have the ability to make more
they are continuously making and sending more >But this process could be continuously repeated by other people, each time creating either a trapped sophon or an eavesdrop proof room.
so the plan is to just keep locking people in rooms who will do nothing for 400 years? do you think the aliens are so moronic they would keep falling for the trap over and over again like a looney tunes cartoon for 4 centuries
>they are the size of photons you cretin
They are the size of planets when they are being constructed. You're either trolling or moronic so I'm not going to read the rest.
They're only the size of planets because their higher dimensions are unfolded into 3D which allows them to print their super alien ai computer brain onto it.
Then they're folded back up, which means they're only the size of a photon.
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That still requires construction on a planetary scale. Presumably their ability to create sophons is extremely limited as they only send two. If they could make as many as they wanted then they would just send 7 billion sophons to live inside our eyes and make us all blind.
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> construction on a planetary scale
Other anon is right, it’s the space folding technolo-magic that is the key and how dimensions flow into each other will become more important as the material gets dumber/more insane.
Rest assured “planetary size construction” isn’t the problem here, it’s how the frick they’re “unfolding” a point so they can program it.
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That still requires construction on a planetary scale. Presumably their ability to create sophons is extremely limited as they only send two. If they could make as many as they wanted then they would just send 7 billion sophons to live inside our eyes and make us all blind.
They're only the size of planets because their higher dimensions are unfolded into 3D which allows them to print their super alien ai computer brain onto it.
Then they're folded back up, which means they're only the size of a photon.
>they are the size of photons you cretin
They are the size of planets when they are being constructed. You're either trolling or moronic so I'm not going to read the rest.
>Sophons are they size of planets
they are the size of photons you cretin >the ayyliums don't have the ability to make more
they are continuously making and sending more >But this process could be continuously repeated by other people, each time creating either a trapped sophon or an eavesdrop proof room.
so the plan is to just keep locking people in rooms who will do nothing for 400 years? do you think the aliens are so moronic they would keep falling for the trap over and over again like a looney tunes cartoon for 4 centuries
in the fricking show they flat out say making the sophons required an insane amount of resources and time, neither of which they have traveling, and literally say that the 4 they have (2 they sent and 2 they kept) are all they could make
>I think it takes them a few years per Sophon
It would still take them decades to show up after being built and means they can only build a couple dozen. >we couldn't block Sophons for a good while
I'm pretty sure a thick lead and concrete lining would work.
They can travel through solid materials that's why they're dangerous if it was that easy we would have done that
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>They can travel through solid materials
They can travel through most materials yeah but there are plenty of ways to block proton radiation >if it was that easy we would have done that
Or maybe the writer just didn't think of that.
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In Death's End humanity invents sophon proof rooms, they're really small, hard to build and expensive also it explains in the book why they can travel through walls
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Fair enough lol. Though I still think in reality that making a shielding material would be pretty easy.
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Yeah definitely some sci fi voodoo in the tv and books
Set up (dirty) nukes all around the world, have people posted at each nuke 400 years later to manually detonate on command destroying the earth with radiation. Basically the Earth is held hostage so the aliens are forced to coexist with humanity.
The entire series is fricking insane. b***h slices a cruise ship apart with nano-wires and nobody ever talks about the obvious military or assassination applications, Chinese chick has her simp's head cut off, frozen, and then shot into space using nuclear bombs (gets knocked off course), black guy gets made a wallfacer (idk why when he's literally just some a PhD holder, if he's supposed to be a genius on the same level as the women they do nothing to show it).
This is why no one likes hard sci-fi, it's in many ways more out there than standard FTL soft sci-fi.
your complaints are literally >why don't they explain the ending right now!!!
Also, the show did a poor job of it but it implied why the black guy was picked as a wall facer. The show was kind of smart to change some things and not do book for book seasons, but it also fricked up a lot of things because of that. Having the benefit of all three books already existing, it just proves how moronic D&D are that they can't competently make a good show out of it.
>nobody ever talks about the obvious military or assassination applications
not relevant to the story? Like they don't talk about how it could make the perfect toilet paper either...so what? >Chinese chick has her simp's head cut off, frozen, and then shot into space using nuclear bombs (gets knocked off course)
almost like this plot point hasn't concluded... >black guy gets made a wallfacer (idk why when he's literally just some a PhD holder, if he's supposed to be a genius on the same level as the women they do nothing to show it).
there's a scene where he has a cryptic talk with someone. Maybe you missed it being on your phone?
I remember the talk about "don't frick with God", though I'm a midwit so it kind of went over my head. I couldn't tell if the lady was implying that there's something even stronger than the Trisolarians (aka they're not "God" and actually just the "angels") or not. I think part of my issue is that 1) there's not a great sense of how much time has passed, and 2) because of that it always seems like they're going for "this idea is technically possible" to "alright here's the technology".
I suppose the implication is that money is no object due to the dire situation.
a. not that much time has passed in the show. Like at most it's been a year or so.
b. the talk he has with the old lady lays out the laws of the universe; it essentially gives the black guy the strategy to ward off the trisolarans..
>it always seems like they're going for "this idea is technically possible" to "alright here's the technology".
the books are the same way. Don't be autistic about it, just go with the flow. It's a scifi show where everyone is a genius and they figure out how to do stuff.
ye's joke: >einstein is humanity >angels are the trisolarans >god is any alien race even more advanced than humanity and trisolarans
the show ruined this part of the story. The joke doesn't work as well as they thought it would. But the book version wouldn't work in the show because it's clunky as frick. Like it worked in the book because it was introduced without explanation at the very beginning, and it wasn't until the end where it connected and made sense.
>nobody ever talks about the obvious military or assassination applications
not relevant to the story? Like they don't talk about how it could make the perfect toilet paper either...so what? >Chinese chick has her simp's head cut off, frozen, and then shot into space using nuclear bombs (gets knocked off course)
almost like this plot point hasn't concluded... >black guy gets made a wallfacer (idk why when he's literally just some a PhD holder, if he's supposed to be a genius on the same level as the women they do nothing to show it).
there's a scene where he has a cryptic talk with someone. Maybe you missed it being on your phone?
I'm still amazed everyone is not laughing at just how stupid the sophons are. And its not like the books were written in the 70's or 80's were you could be forgiven for not understanding that faster than light transmission of data is impossible. Also they can somehow travel at the speed of light all the time and go everywhere. I'm glad he didn't even bother to try to explain the power source or method of locomotion.
don't bother to respond to me pseuds
>refuses to elaborate
He has a valid point when he says 'they're not going to be here for 400 years'. So what is his actually point? Okay so he makes a plan up in his mind, he can't tell anybody, but he just does it. So? How does that fix anything? He won't be alive to act it out in 400 years. The only point of such an act is to make people come out to target you so you can stop them.
Also I guess to make the Sophons keep having to check in on you to see where you are.
They have hibernation technology moron
Yes and it is specifically stated that Clarence is going to have to guard him 'for the rest of his life'. So he isn't going into the hibernation capsules.
If you had bothered to read the book, you would know that isn't actually necessary and that "Clarence" was wrong. Characters can be wrong.
>dude just read the book lmao
this is Cinemaphile, not Cinemaphile. OP is talking about the show.
how does that mean there would be no hibernation capsule? he can go in and Clarence will still spend the rest of his own life guarding him, why are you ESLs always so fricking stupid?
Exactly what Luo Ji did in the book. The better question is what would you do if you were Swordholder?
the same thing bing bong did, except the part where i come up with a plan that works and also having an icky girl in my mountain NEET home
>Build proton shielded conference room with some cryochambers
>Invite some important people into the conference room to discuss strategies
>Seal door with more proton shielding
>There should now be one of two Sophons trapped inside the conference room
>Verify this by operating two particle colliders at the same time and seeing if one of them works properly.
>Go into cryosleep and leave instructions saying that the room should only be opened after the war is won
Thats the best I got. It doesn't defeat the ayyliums but it does permanently take one of the sophons out of the game. If the sophon doesn't take the bait and enter the room then I've invented an eavesdrop proof room so its still a win.
What if they send more sophons?
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>What if they send more sophons?
Sophons are they size of planets so presumably the ayyliums don't have the ability to make more, at least while they traveling in their fleet. But this process could be continuously repeated by other people, each time creating either a trapped sophon or an eavesdrop proof room.
>Sophons are they size of planets
they are the size of photons you cretin
>the ayyliums don't have the ability to make more
they are continuously making and sending more
>But this process could be continuously repeated by other people, each time creating either a trapped sophon or an eavesdrop proof room.
so the plan is to just keep locking people in rooms who will do nothing for 400 years? do you think the aliens are so moronic they would keep falling for the trap over and over again like a looney tunes cartoon for 4 centuries
>they are the size of photons you cretin
They are the size of planets when they are being constructed. You're either trolling or moronic so I'm not going to read the rest.
They're only the size of planets because their higher dimensions are unfolded into 3D which allows them to print their super alien ai computer brain onto it.
Then they're folded back up, which means they're only the size of a photon.
That still requires construction on a planetary scale. Presumably their ability to create sophons is extremely limited as they only send two. If they could make as many as they wanted then they would just send 7 billion sophons to live inside our eyes and make us all blind.
> construction on a planetary scale
Other anon is right, it’s the space folding technolo-magic that is the key and how dimensions flow into each other will become more important as the material gets dumber/more insane.
Rest assured “planetary size construction” isn’t the problem here, it’s how the frick they’re “unfolding” a point so they can program it.
in the fricking show they flat out say making the sophons required an insane amount of resources and time, neither of which they have traveling, and literally say that the 4 they have (2 they sent and 2 they kept) are all they could make
Don't be mean
I think it takes them a few years per Sophon and we couldn't block Sophons for a good while
I'm your wallbreaker btw
>I think it takes them a few years per Sophon
It would still take them decades to show up after being built and means they can only build a couple dozen.
>we couldn't block Sophons for a good while
I'm pretty sure a thick lead and concrete lining would work.
They can travel through solid materials that's why they're dangerous if it was that easy we would have done that
>They can travel through solid materials
They can travel through most materials yeah but there are plenty of ways to block proton radiation
>if it was that easy we would have done that
Or maybe the writer just didn't think of that.
In Death's End humanity invents sophon proof rooms, they're really small, hard to build and expensive also it explains in the book why they can travel through walls
Fair enough lol. Though I still think in reality that making a shielding material would be pretty easy.
Yeah definitely some sci fi voodoo in the tv and books
Two chicks at the same time
Why would they send a gay particle disruptor first instead of the fleet-destroying teardrop
Because the gay particles can be accelerated to lightspeed and arrive earlier.
>Why would they send smallpox first and not the empire-destroying armada?
Set up (dirty) nukes all around the world, have people posted at each nuke 400 years later to manually detonate on command destroying the earth with radiation. Basically the Earth is held hostage so the aliens are forced to coexist with humanity.
>gets stoned to death by your own people
Why? They're gonna be dead anyway?
Wouldn't you be able to trap a sophon in a powerful magnetic field?
basically a holodeck thread
make an announcement telling the world to make a weapon to defeat the aliens. since they have to do what i tell them they will do this.
my job is done. recline in a chair with ALL the daughters of everyone in town that ive told the town to give me.
I'm relistening to the audio books right now and it's so fricking disappointed how bad they botched the casting. He's no Luo Ji
The entire series is fricking insane. b***h slices a cruise ship apart with nano-wires and nobody ever talks about the obvious military or assassination applications, Chinese chick has her simp's head cut off, frozen, and then shot into space using nuclear bombs (gets knocked off course), black guy gets made a wallfacer (idk why when he's literally just some a PhD holder, if he's supposed to be a genius on the same level as the women they do nothing to show it).
This is why no one likes hard sci-fi, it's in many ways more out there than standard FTL soft sci-fi.
>hard sci-fi
this is definitely not hard sci-fi
your complaints are literally
>why don't they explain the ending right now!!!
Also, the show did a poor job of it but it implied why the black guy was picked as a wall facer. The show was kind of smart to change some things and not do book for book seasons, but it also fricked up a lot of things because of that. Having the benefit of all three books already existing, it just proves how moronic D&D are that they can't competently make a good show out of it.
I remember the talk about "don't frick with God", though I'm a midwit so it kind of went over my head. I couldn't tell if the lady was implying that there's something even stronger than the Trisolarians (aka they're not "God" and actually just the "angels") or not. I think part of my issue is that 1) there's not a great sense of how much time has passed, and 2) because of that it always seems like they're going for "this idea is technically possible" to "alright here's the technology".
I suppose the implication is that money is no object due to the dire situation.
a. not that much time has passed in the show. Like at most it's been a year or so.
b. the talk he has with the old lady lays out the laws of the universe; it essentially gives the black guy the strategy to ward off the trisolarans..
>it always seems like they're going for "this idea is technically possible" to "alright here's the technology".
the books are the same way. Don't be autistic about it, just go with the flow. It's a scifi show where everyone is a genius and they figure out how to do stuff.
ye's joke:
>einstein is humanity
>angels are the trisolarans
>god is any alien race even more advanced than humanity and trisolarans
the show ruined this part of the story. The joke doesn't work as well as they thought it would. But the book version wouldn't work in the show because it's clunky as frick. Like it worked in the book because it was introduced without explanation at the very beginning, and it wasn't until the end where it connected and made sense.
>nobody ever talks about the obvious military or assassination applications
not relevant to the story? Like they don't talk about how it could make the perfect toilet paper either...so what?
>Chinese chick has her simp's head cut off, frozen, and then shot into space using nuclear bombs (gets knocked off course)
almost like this plot point hasn't concluded...
>black guy gets made a wallfacer (idk why when he's literally just some a PhD holder, if he's supposed to be a genius on the same level as the women they do nothing to show it).
there's a scene where he has a cryptic talk with someone. Maybe you missed it being on your phone?
>big lake house
>unlimited door dash
>super gaming PC
>kino station of the highest order
rape
what if one wallfacer wanted to rape another wallfacer? how do you resolve this?
It's part of the plan
I'm still amazed everyone is not laughing at just how stupid the sophons are. And its not like the books were written in the 70's or 80's were you could be forgiven for not understanding that faster than light transmission of data is impossible. Also they can somehow travel at the speed of light all the time and go everywhere. I'm glad he didn't even bother to try to explain the power source or method of locomotion.
don't bother to respond to me pseuds
>don't bother to respond to me pseuds
I could explain it to you, but now I'm not going to.
Don't make me get out a folded piece of paper and a pen.