I think what he's saying is you don't have to literally touch the Ring to be tempted by it. Mere knowledge of it is enough, nevermind being in its immediate presence.
Maybe on some instinctual level. It's implied in the book that the watcher in the water specifically targeted Frodo because he had the ring, for example.
But maybe that's a bad example because the Watcher is at least semi-intelligent. Dumb animals lack the self-awareness for ambition which is one of the means by which the ring corrupts people.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Shove it up Bill the pony’s ass and walk the poor bastard into the lava
>are animals affected by the ring?
Yes, why do you think it wasn't eaten accidentally by a fish for over 2,500 years while it was at the bottom of the Anduin?
And then Mr. Big Evil comes in and steals the ring from the fricking sloth. They would've been better off throwing it in the ocean. But the point is they wouldn't have won the war if they didn't destroy the ring. They didn't have the strength to actually destroy Mordor. Mordor would rebuild faster than Rohan/Gondor and they would do gigantic war 2: Orcnigs win this time
Be that as it may, if you surrounded the ring by numerous harmless animals, the negative effects would be diluted across them
Reread my post moron
the ring would affect all the animals simultaneously, in equal measure, besides the bearer who would be the most affected. Likely it would just overpower them completely and have them bring it to Sauron himself; since Tolkien's world operates on Catholic moral theology, the animals don't have sufficient willpower to resist the call of the ring's master at all.
You would genuinely just be giving the ring greater locomotive ability. The nightmare scenario is it somehow attaches itself to a small bird or squirrel or something, an extremely evasive animal that can just book it back into Sauron's hands.
>"I'm gonna science the shit out of this" >*head gets cleaved off by a goblin*
pretty much what would happen if they tried any of the moronic theories put forth here instead of dropping it into Mt. Doom
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why not weld the ring to a heavy block of metal and drop it into the ocean?
5 months ago
Anonymouse
Even if you managed to take the ring completely out of the equation that way, Sauron was still gonna inevitability win.
5 months ago
Anonymous
because then Sauron's armies would overrun the west and he would win
5 months ago
Anonymous
Gandalf literally says the lands change enough (even in geological years) that itd still be a problem. Also if like a kraken got it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Thats a genius idea
Unfortunately nazgul have shark steeds they ride when they conduct operations in the ocean and a magic spell keeps the pressure from crushing them and makes them not need oxygen. Sauron has scientists working with his magicians to make sure they've got all their bases covered
5 months ago
Anonymous
They relied on the Ring being lost and forgotten and look how that turned out for them. Gandalf was not willing to rest until it was destroyed for certain
5 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, put the ring in a carboard box, and have the return address be mount doom, then send it to the post office with a malformed sent address
5 months ago
Anonymous
post offices are staffed by easterlings who are easily corrupted by greed and power
5 months ago
Anonymous
actual irl
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sick of explaining this but even if Sauron didn't get the ring back, he would have won easily. The orcs he lost at Minis Tirith was not even a tenth of what he had available to him.
Literally the only way to defeat Sauron was to destroy the ring. They discuss all this at the meeting in Rivendell (in the books at least).
Sure they could hide the ring in the ocean or whatever but Sauron would still win, and eventually the ring would be found or make itself be found.
In the books, animals are shown to be sentient and have thoughts of their own. They are as liable to corruption and deception as men or elves are, perhaps even more so.
Nope. Gandalf said Sauron would come for Tom last.
If you haven’t figured out Tom and Goldberry are Morgoth and Ungoliant imprisoned without power yet you’re not a real Tolkein head.
But not a wrong one. Oldest was Tom in Arda. Melkor was not only Eru’s first and greatest creation, but also first to enter Arda in search of the Secret Fire.
Tom was a manifestation of the song of the Ainur like the creations of nature hence why he was 'oldest' as he was a being but before the other 'beings' (elves etc.) that were thought upon came into existence. He's like the mountains or trees. Just a part of nature.
You should re read what Gandalf has to say about Tom.
“No, I doubt very much he could be of help.”
“Only he knows how long he must be there, perhaps, waiting for some time only known to him.”
“Sauron will come for him and save him for his final victory.”
It’s Morgoth.
5 months ago
Anonymous
My new favorite theory thanks numnuts
5 months ago
Anonymous
Holy kino
5 months ago
Anonymous
How does any of that mean it's Morgoth?
5 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but if you put all the context clues together about that part of the book that something is definitely off, Tom’s weird interaction with the ring, what Gandalf says in Rivendale, and understand that with what we know about Sauron he would absolutely be the type to go float to his old master he succeeded where his master failed, yeah it’s Melkor/Morgoth, I’m convinced.
5 months ago
Anonymous
why did gandalf mention he needs to go back and have a long talk with Tom in that one book?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Because Sauron has just been “destroyed”. He needs to know for certain what has happened to Sauron’s spirit and know that it can not possibly return before he sails into the west. Only a being who has stood before Mandos would know the answer to that.
5 months ago
Anonymous
what if Tom didn't want to spoonfeed greybeard?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Then Gandalf would have called him a fool of a 'Dil
5 months ago
Anonymous
Iarwain Ben-adar (Eldest and Fatherless) [Sindarin name]
-that's tom-
I think Tom wold just tell him to move along whislt he sings his song
5 months ago
Anonymouse
This is a fricking moronic theory.
Morgoth was cast through the door into utter nothingness, he isn't coming back till the end of all things. He certainly isn't going to be hanging out, singing songs, and BEING NICE to random hobbits for funsies.
And why would Ungoliant be Goldberry? She had frickall to do with water, or any of Goldberry's characteristics for that matter, and she is dead. And she absolutly hates Morgoth because he cheated her out of the grand feast she was owed, they wouldn't be shacked up. There only slight compatibly points are possible viable genitalia, assuming giant spider pussy can be fricked by a giant evil guy. That aside, they hate each other.
straight up braindead reddit take
5 months ago
Anonymous
You think Morgoth is above song when it was his role in the song that corrupted Middle Earth? Fool of Took.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Also it's quite uncharacteristic in Tolkien's characterization for a wicked character to act duplicitously good. Evil characters act with malice because this represents their spirit and being, and vice versa, it's a pretty fundamental aspect of the story in general. This fanfiction is some shit GRRM would come up with to "subvert" LOTR.
5 months ago
Anonymous
He was there before the first acorn and there before the ents who learned to speak from the elves prior to the Valar's return to Middle Earth. Melkor did not bother teaching anything or anyone to speak, instead creating orcs from elves. He is what was there before, a being the Valar have no idea what the frick is and is better off left to their own devices (like Ungoliant, who was bribed by Melkor because he claimed to be able to relieve her hunger).
5 months ago
Anonymous
no one cares about your made up lore nerd
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's in the book.
5 months ago
Anonymous
yes and my point still stands. its all made up dogshit having no bearing on our world. you're no better than the women believing they're witches
>If you haven’t figured out Tom and Goldberry are Morgoth and Ungoliant imprisoned without power yet you’re not a real Tolkein head.
homie i been reading this shit for 30+ years and never seen anyone say that.
>she literally attempted to drown Tom
It's called flirting, anon. That's what happens when you're a big bearded bastard and you hang around Latinas and water goddesses.
How did Sauron feel about Bombadil mocking him when he played with the ring? Sauron literally put all his power and viciousness in it and Bombadil just laughed
Re read the part of the book. His whole personality is a mask. Parts of him do surface, particularly the details of his demeanor and reaction when he holds the ring. He’s almost repulsed by it.
I'll re-read it keeping that in mind, but he was originally just a doll that his kids named and he wrote some poems about and included into LoTR has a little cameo for them. It seems weird that JRR's intention was that he's actually the setting's Satan turned good and just hiding out.
He’s not turned good. He’s imprisoned. Forced to do what he was created to do as punishment, love the creation of Eru. Seriously you need to re-read that part, he is far from good and it reads as a horror.
Hey I was reading an old archive thread about LOTR. Can someone clear this up for me. Melkor, after descending to arda, would have beaten Tulkas correct? Even in a physical test of might? I saw a lot of people arguing this. Thank you.
Tulkas would have physically kicked Morgoth’s ass. In the unseen world Morgoth would have the upper hand but in physical form none were mightier than Tulkas.
Melkor == Morgoth. Melkor, who has recently come from the heavens and strongest of the valar could probably make Tulkas shit himself just by looking at him.
They are literally two different names for the same being, moron.
Melkor became morgoth when he destroyed the two trees. After thousands of years of beating the valar ass. So yes, they are the same person, but two very different “power levels”.
Melkor put so much of his own will into corrupting middle earth that he was greatly diminished over time. I mean, he goes from being a threat to all the Valar combined to being able to be wounded by an elf, to being unable to offer any real resistance during the War of Wrath.
>1. Allergic Reactions: Initially, the eagles seemed to have an allergy to the volcanic gases around Mount Doom. However, as the situation grew dire and the fate of Middle-earth hung in the balance, they took the risk, willing to endure discomfort for the greater good.
>2. Fear of Heights: Surprisingly, some eagles were wary of the heights in Mordor's treacherous terrain. Yet, when they realized the urgency and understood the importance of the quest, they overcame their fears, embracing their duty to aid in the crucial moment of need.
>3. Eagle Societal Laws: Initially bound by strict societal norms, the eagles refrained from unauthorized travel. However, witnessing the imminent threat of Sauron's victory, they ultimately decided to bend their rules, prioritizing the greater cause over their traditional laws.
>4. Sky Traffic Laws: Originally constrained by aerial regulations, the eagles avoided Mordor's airspace. But with the tides turning and the need for a decisive move, they risked violating these laws, recognizing the critical nature of the moment and their ability to make a pivotal impact.
>Ultimately, the eagles chose to intervene when the situation became dire enough that the risks were outweighed by the urgency of the task at hand. They understood the gravity of Sauron's looming victory and decided to take action to aid Frodo and the Fellowship in their quest to destroy the Ring.
What the actual frick? I literally came to Cinemaphile to make this fricking thread?
Anyway yeah give the Ring to Gollman and tie him up in a covered wagon or something. wtf?
>Hey Gaulstein we’ll literally give you the Ring if you just tag along with us and chill. Sound cool?
This is an even bigger plot hole than the eagles.
The Lord of the Rings Audiobook Soundscape by Phil Dragash:
https://archive.org/details/the-fellowship-of-the-ring_soundscape-by-phil-dragash
https://archive.org/details/the-two-towers_soundscape-by-phil-dragash
https://archive.org/details/the-return-of-the-king_soundscape-by-phil-dragash
The Hobbit Theatrical Audiobook by Bluefax:
https://archive.org/details/the-hobbit-bluefax
The Quest of Erebor from Unfinished Tales by Bluefax:
The Children of Húrin read by Sir Christopher Lee:
>audiobooks
how the FRICK do people listen to this shit? you think about something else for one second and you've completely missed the meaning of a paragraph
>you think about something else for one second and you've completely missed the meaning of a paragraph
That's the thing, it's great for people WHO DON'T think
This. My friend only does audiobooks, Ill asl him about about apart and he'll go >hmm I must have missed that
I have to read text because I know Im a brainlet and will need to reread the same paragraph or go back 2 pages for something.
This homie needs to smoke cigars daily until his balls finally drop, I don't want to listen to some homosexual narrate the unabridged trilogy. Get the frick out of this thread
Get out, you old wight! Vanish in the sunlight! >Shrivel like the cold mist, like the winds go wailing,
Out into the barren lands far beyond the mountains! >Come never here again! Leave your barrow empty!
Lost and forgotten be, darker than the darkness, >Where gates stand for ever shut, till the world is mended.
>He knew all the arguments of despair and would not listen to them. His will was set, and only death would break it.
Was it implied that sam was able to overcome the corruption of the ring? Borrowsmir went literally insane just for being near it, but sam carried frodo all the way to the cracks of doom without giving up or trying to take the ring
He was able to overcome its temptation. If he had had to carry it for as long as Frodo had, he would have been corrupted just as easily. Possibly more so.
Boromir was a man who desperately wanted power to save his kingdom. Sam was a hobbit with no real ambitions outside of the Shire. The ring would affect them differently.
Yes, Sam is unambitious, good natured and loyal. The Ring tempted Sam with visions of all of Middle Earth being his personal garden and he rejected the temptation.
All Sam knows is gardening, food and his loyalty to Master Frodo. The ring can literally offer him nothing except thoughts of despair, while people with more power and ambition like Boromir are more susceptible to its corruption because they have actual power and stakes which the ring appeals to. The ring makes Boromir believe that he can use it to save Gondor and wield it against Sauron, but it deceives him because it only wants to get closer to Mordor.
If the ring was smart he would've just made up a lie about everyone who wore the ring shall die when it is destroyed or something so he'd basically had to kill Frodo which I'm not sure he would
The ring actually never lies. It promises power to do anything to anyone provided they can master it. Obviously only a handful of people in Middle Earth could do that but it's not technically a lie.
if you use the one ring as a prince albert piercing does that count as "wearing" it, or no, like wearing it on a chain around your neck? what if a woman used it to clit piercing?
No one can tell me they couldn't have launched the ring into space.
It would've been lost to time and Sauron couldn't do anything about it. Technically by using magic to do this Gandalf wouldn't even break any rules
>the lords of the west wouldn't recieve the ring so we can't send it to Valinor
Such contrived writing. Aule could have undone the ring in an instant if he wanted to. The excuse that the Valar can't interfere because they cause too much harm is fricking bullshit here.
We pretend we can deal with nuclear waste by burying it somewhere completely ignoring that in 1000 years terrorist can still use it so I don't know why they didn't just bury it when we are even more shortsighted
I feel like the Ring can't be destroyed is misinformation. There must be other volcanoes in middle earth where it can be destroyed. It was probably Sauron's own propaganda. I don't understand how they all fell for it
What are the consequences if Smaug was never killed before the War of the Ring?
Thinking it over, even if Sauron couldn't recruit Smaug that still means Laketown would get destroyed quickly by the Easterlings since in canon they held a siege in Erebor with their dwarf allies. That means a huge horde of evil men could join the siege of Minas Tirith.
Smaug had to go, middle earth was in danger as long as he was alive. Gandalf wasn’t worried nearly as much about the Sauron and some orcs as he was about Sauron somehow coercing Smaug into an allyship.
any battle in any of this entire series would have been ended in the blink of an eye with one pass by Smaug
i'm not a woman, and i'm tired of these fricking threads. it's like you morons can't ever grow up. there's other stories throughout time that have been created you know. you don't have to have like 20 fricking threads about this every week.
Anon, Cinemaphile is a shithole, these are the only threads that have any discussion. Go complain about the countless bait and offtopic threads instead of complaining about good threads about an actual film. You must be an only child you insufferable little c**t.
he's right you losers are pathetic and in no way better than any of the capeshit powerscale discussions found online. bet it drives you mad that lord of the rings is a Christian book aswell and it only exists because of God
holy reddit response. Bet you feel englightened right now fellow atheist
Tolkien was a devout catholic and Lord of the Rings is basically fantasy catholicism. If you enjoy the book you unironically believe in God
5 months ago
Anonymous
i’m not an atheist but you come across as either a baiting atheist or genuinely moronic. it’s very much inspired by his catholic beliefs but it can totally be enjoyed by anyone, though perhaps for their resonance with those ideas
You can't compare capeshit canon to any work of a single man. LOTR has one guiding mind, capeshit franchises are like 10 dollar prostitutes who've been fricked by so many people over the years they don't know wtf is going on anymore.
why did sauron create the ring in the first place? all it did was corrupting just 9 men. it didn't give him any special powers, but he put his spirit in it so when it's destroyed he's gone for good. I swear to god this gotta be the most moronic mcguffin in history. he basically created a killswitch for himself
No he wouldn’t. Jesus you guys are a bunch of pretend nerds.
The ring was so that Sauron could use his power and not lose it. Every other Maiar and Valar, when they use their powers they grow weaker permanently. Sauron made the ring so that he could use his power to corrupt Middle Earth and not lose it forever, it was kept in the ring. When the ring is destroyed, Sauron is not killed, he’s left without physical form and powerless. Sauron with the ring was the most powerful being in middle earth because it recycled his power essentially giving him infinite magical abilities .
there’s no logic to tolkiens world. imagine being a guy in the fricking 1950s, long after we knew about evolution and shit, thinking an invisible fairy said hocus pocus and made the universe. that’s the sensible real world logic this israelite worshipper operated on. imagine what fantasy logic was to him
There are better ways to criticize Tolkien, moron.
>Be Tolkien. >An autistic perfectionist. >Establish in your head and notes that no two Elves share the same name. >Write LOTR. >Currently writing "The Silmarillion." >Notice that you accidentally named two different characters "Glorfindel." So they HAVE to be the same guy. But he dies in the Second Age. But then appears in LOTR. >So do you change the name of the guy in "The Silmarillion?" >Nope, instead you make up the Elvish death-Halls of Mandos-reincarnation cycle, so give the reason why Glorfindel is back to life, and back in Middle-Earth. >In your autism don't notice that you fricked up, or made nonsensical, several other storylines in the process. >Oh, well.
>throw ring in the middle of the ocean >Ulmo yeets it into the deepest chasm never to be seen again
Seems like the best possible option that doesn't involve it being destroyed. However, that wouldn't stop Sauron from gathering an army and wreaking havok across Middle-earth.
>build a big ship with a furnace on board >build a mold for a giant cube like 10 yards by 10 yards >suspend ring in the middle of the giant cube from a chain >fill mold with molten iron or steel >sink ship in the deepest part of the ocean
Good luck retrieving that.
Why don't they just >tie the ring to the end of a very long string >leave the ring, unspool the string as you carry the spool to mordor >at mt. doom, roll the string back up >throw the ring into the lava
?
>it's powerful magic fire
Sounds like an unimaginative cop-out. Explain the physical process by which the atoms of the One Ring break apart when it comes into contact with molten rock from Orodruin or with a fire-drake's conflagration. Don't dumb it down.
Magic.
It's a magical setting so it doesn't need further explaining.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be an underlying process behind the ring's destruction, be it physical, magical, supernatural or otherwise, so stop fricking around and explain it to me.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The one ring is impervious to physical damage. It appears to be gold but clearly has different qualities. It can grow and shrink too... it’s magic mate, just accept it.
>Tom Bombadil is stated to be the first being on Arda. >Melkor in "The Silmarillion" is stated to be the first to enter Arda in search of the Secret Fire.
The movies are great but they're definitely not a replacement for the books. Pretty much every why didn't X? argument is explained in the books also the quality and quantity of the dialog is much higher. Tolkein being a scholar of the english language and all.
Plus the movies made hundreds of small changes to the story and it's nice to see how it really goes.
The films are just really well-produced hollywood action movies. They excise all of the Christian messaging and virtually every character in the films is incredibly one-dimensional and streamlined for an american audience
why is it that everyone who poses this question suddenly forget about the ringwraiths >um why not just put it on a rope that's like 8 miles long
because the ringwraiths would get it
It’s said the ring wraiths can sense the ring but it’s very weak unless someone puts the ring on or is very close to them. The ring was carried to mordor quite literally under their nose and they had no idea.
Hear me out, put the ring on an animal that isn't capable of being a threat, like a sloth. Keep the sloth in an enchanted cage and transport that.
>Goldberry
Whomst
What part of "the ring has a will of it's own" do you morons not understand? It would eventually just slip off the sloth's finger and escape the cage
>It would eventually just slip off the sloth's finger and escape the cage
Gorilla glue that wienersucker to the finger
>not knowing about Big Dick Tom's prime elf frickmeat
She’s not an elf.
They put more stuff in the novelization
>They put more stuff in the novelization
KILL ME NOW
i don't like moronic homosexuals, either, anon
What if I catapult the sloth with the ring on its finger into Mount Doom?
what will stop Boromir from borrowing the ring from the sloth?
See:
Fit the Sloth with multiple anti-rape devices to deter Boromir
Boromir was a character mostly made for the movie, basically a Peter Jackson self insert. He is named in the book but his character is not developed
And that's a bad thing?
It would corrupt the transporter of the cage.
Just create a sequence of animals to "carry" the cage, and let the rings effects diffuse across them
I think what he's saying is you don't have to literally touch the Ring to be tempted by it. Mere knowledge of it is enough, nevermind being in its immediate presence.
Be that as it may, if you surrounded the ring by numerous harmless animals, the negative effects would be diluted across them
>Mere knowledge of it is enough
Then don't tell anyone. Wait, are animals affected by the ring?
>are animals affected by the ring?
Maybe on some instinctual level. It's implied in the book that the watcher in the water specifically targeted Frodo because he had the ring, for example.
But maybe that's a bad example because the Watcher is at least semi-intelligent. Dumb animals lack the self-awareness for ambition which is one of the means by which the ring corrupts people.
Shove it up Bill the pony’s ass and walk the poor bastard into the lava
>are animals affected by the ring?
Yes, why do you think it wasn't eaten accidentally by a fish for over 2,500 years while it was at the bottom of the Anduin?
And then Mr. Big Evil comes in and steals the ring from the fricking sloth. They would've been better off throwing it in the ocean. But the point is they wouldn't have won the war if they didn't destroy the ring. They didn't have the strength to actually destroy Mordor. Mordor would rebuild faster than Rohan/Gondor and they would do gigantic war 2: Orcnigs win this time
Reread my post moron
the ring would affect all the animals simultaneously, in equal measure, besides the bearer who would be the most affected. Likely it would just overpower them completely and have them bring it to Sauron himself; since Tolkien's world operates on Catholic moral theology, the animals don't have sufficient willpower to resist the call of the ring's master at all.
I feel like if you threw enough meat at the problem it would be overwhelmed
You would genuinely just be giving the ring greater locomotive ability. The nightmare scenario is it somehow attaches itself to a small bird or squirrel or something, an extremely evasive animal that can just book it back into Sauron's hands.
pretty much what would happen if they tried any of the moronic theories put forth here instead of dropping it into Mt. Doom
Why not weld the ring to a heavy block of metal and drop it into the ocean?
Even if you managed to take the ring completely out of the equation that way, Sauron was still gonna inevitability win.
because then Sauron's armies would overrun the west and he would win
Gandalf literally says the lands change enough (even in geological years) that itd still be a problem. Also if like a kraken got it.
Thats a genius idea
Unfortunately nazgul have shark steeds they ride when they conduct operations in the ocean and a magic spell keeps the pressure from crushing them and makes them not need oxygen. Sauron has scientists working with his magicians to make sure they've got all their bases covered
They relied on the Ring being lost and forgotten and look how that turned out for them. Gandalf was not willing to rest until it was destroyed for certain
Okay, put the ring in a carboard box, and have the return address be mount doom, then send it to the post office with a malformed sent address
post offices are staffed by easterlings who are easily corrupted by greed and power
actual irl
I'm sick of explaining this but even if Sauron didn't get the ring back, he would have won easily. The orcs he lost at Minis Tirith was not even a tenth of what he had available to him.
Literally the only way to defeat Sauron was to destroy the ring. They discuss all this at the meeting in Rivendell (in the books at least).
Sure they could hide the ring in the ocean or whatever but Sauron would still win, and eventually the ring would be found or make itself be found.
>"I'm gonna science the shit out of this"
>*head gets cleaved off by a goblin*
The Ring's effects are around it, not simply to the wearer. Do you think Boromir just had a random freak-out?
>an animal that isn't capable of being a threat
What do you think Frodo was
A sloth is far less threatening than elijah wood
It would only delay the ring from being found by someone else eventually just like it was drifting in the water until Smeagol found it.
>debauching a sloth
In the books, animals are shown to be sentient and have thoughts of their own. They are as liable to corruption and deception as men or elves are, perhaps even more so.
You don't have to wear the ring to be corrupted by it. Just being anywhere near it is enough.
People carrying the sloth would be tempted to open the cage and get the ring for themselves
Transport it where? You think the elves could deal with some crackhead invisible sloth trying to corrupt them for very long.
probably nothing. also tom would either frick up anyone that came to steal it or would just give it away.
Nope. Gandalf said Sauron would come for Tom last.
If you haven’t figured out Tom and Goldberry are Morgoth and Ungoliant imprisoned without power yet you’re not a real Tolkein head.
You are a crazy motherfricker.
But not a wrong one. Oldest was Tom in Arda. Melkor was not only Eru’s first and greatest creation, but also first to enter Arda in search of the Secret Fire.
>Oldest was Tom in Arda
Tom was a manifestation of the song of the Ainur like the creations of nature hence why he was 'oldest' as he was a being but before the other 'beings' (elves etc.) that were thought upon came into existence. He's like the mountains or trees. Just a part of nature.
You should re read what Gandalf has to say about Tom.
“No, I doubt very much he could be of help.”
“Only he knows how long he must be there, perhaps, waiting for some time only known to him.”
“Sauron will come for him and save him for his final victory.”
It’s Morgoth.
My new favorite theory thanks numnuts
Holy kino
How does any of that mean it's Morgoth?
NTA but if you put all the context clues together about that part of the book that something is definitely off, Tom’s weird interaction with the ring, what Gandalf says in Rivendale, and understand that with what we know about Sauron he would absolutely be the type to go float to his old master he succeeded where his master failed, yeah it’s Melkor/Morgoth, I’m convinced.
why did gandalf mention he needs to go back and have a long talk with Tom in that one book?
Because Sauron has just been “destroyed”. He needs to know for certain what has happened to Sauron’s spirit and know that it can not possibly return before he sails into the west. Only a being who has stood before Mandos would know the answer to that.
what if Tom didn't want to spoonfeed greybeard?
Then Gandalf would have called him a fool of a 'Dil
Iarwain Ben-adar (Eldest and Fatherless) [Sindarin name]
-that's tom-
I think Tom wold just tell him to move along whislt he sings his song
This is a fricking moronic theory.
Morgoth was cast through the door into utter nothingness, he isn't coming back till the end of all things. He certainly isn't going to be hanging out, singing songs, and BEING NICE to random hobbits for funsies.
And why would Ungoliant be Goldberry? She had frickall to do with water, or any of Goldberry's characteristics for that matter, and she is dead. And she absolutly hates Morgoth because he cheated her out of the grand feast she was owed, they wouldn't be shacked up. There only slight compatibly points are possible viable genitalia, assuming giant spider pussy can be fricked by a giant evil guy. That aside, they hate each other.
straight up braindead reddit take
You think Morgoth is above song when it was his role in the song that corrupted Middle Earth? Fool of Took.
Also it's quite uncharacteristic in Tolkien's characterization for a wicked character to act duplicitously good. Evil characters act with malice because this represents their spirit and being, and vice versa, it's a pretty fundamental aspect of the story in general. This fanfiction is some shit GRRM would come up with to "subvert" LOTR.
He was there before the first acorn and there before the ents who learned to speak from the elves prior to the Valar's return to Middle Earth. Melkor did not bother teaching anything or anyone to speak, instead creating orcs from elves. He is what was there before, a being the Valar have no idea what the frick is and is better off left to their own devices (like Ungoliant, who was bribed by Melkor because he claimed to be able to relieve her hunger).
no one cares about your made up lore nerd
It's in the book.
yes and my point still stands. its all made up dogshit having no bearing on our world. you're no better than the women believing they're witches
That makes no sense.
what a homosexual you are, my!
>le Silfanfiction
>If you haven’t figured out Tom and Goldberry are Morgoth and Ungoliant imprisoned without power yet you’re not a real Tolkein head.
homie i been reading this shit for 30+ years and never seen anyone say that.
>Goldberry is the riverwoman's daugther
>Ungoliant was spawned by the void
>spawned from the primordial water
Bravo John Ronald Reuel!
What a shit "theory" Tom was in middle earth before Morgoth even showed up
it would corrupt her because she's not immune to it's effects, and then bombadil would go mad with rage
Goldberry would become a blessed milk mommy
Too fat
Woodberry
That's goldberry?
she would have gone insane and cucked tom, probably broadcast it on palantir
>anons think tom would ever settle for someone who's corruptible
>not knowing the River Daughter was a feared being that drowned travelers and she literally attempted to do that to Tom
>River Daughter
aka a gusher.
Tom would keep her in line
>she literally attempted to drown Tom
It's called flirting, anon. That's what happens when you're a big bearded bastard and you hang around Latinas and water goddesses.
>tom
>settling down at all
How did Sauron feel about Bombadil mocking him when he played with the ring? Sauron literally put all his power and viciousness in it and Bombadil just laughed
Bombasøy is reddit
If you try to put the ring on your wienerdoes it become a wiener ring sized?
I would be wary of placing a malicious shapeshifting ring on your wiener.
>give the ring to a huourn
Great idea Anon, what could go wrong?
Tom's character is pretty different to Morgoth though. Did he really have a complete character change, just like that?
Re read the part of the book. His whole personality is a mask. Parts of him do surface, particularly the details of his demeanor and reaction when he holds the ring. He’s almost repulsed by it.
I'll re-read it keeping that in mind, but he was originally just a doll that his kids named and he wrote some poems about and included into LoTR has a little cameo for them. It seems weird that JRR's intention was that he's actually the setting's Satan turned good and just hiding out.
He’s not turned good. He’s imprisoned. Forced to do what he was created to do as punishment, love the creation of Eru. Seriously you need to re-read that part, he is far from good and it reads as a horror.
why did smeagol became a froglike creature while tom riddle became snakelike?
Why didn't they just order something from mount doom, put the ring in the box, and then write "return to sender" on it?
if they did it that way it would be back traced and not anonymous.
Hey I was reading an old archive thread about LOTR. Can someone clear this up for me. Melkor, after descending to arda, would have beaten Tulkas correct? Even in a physical test of might? I saw a lot of people arguing this. Thank you.
Tulkas would have physically kicked Morgoth’s ass. In the unseen world Morgoth would have the upper hand but in physical form none were mightier than Tulkas.
Melkor == Morgoth. Melkor, who has recently come from the heavens and strongest of the valar could probably make Tulkas shit himself just by looking at him.
Melkor became Morgoth when he entered Arda. As I said, in physical form Tulkas wins.
Melkor became morgoth when he destroyed the two trees. After thousands of years of beating the valar ass. So yes, they are the same person, but two very different “power levels”.
Melkor put so much of his own will into corrupting middle earth that he was greatly diminished over time. I mean, he goes from being a threat to all the Valar combined to being able to be wounded by an elf, to being unable to offer any real resistance during the War of Wrath.
They are literally two different names for the same being, moron.
>smeagol
>best friend is deagol
who writes this shit?
>deagol
>didn't just shoot smeagol
She is a river deity.
She would probably try to drown the world, would be fricking kino.
Why not have the ghost homies take the ring to Mordor?
why didnt jackson simply cut the ghost army of bullshit?
>1. Allergic Reactions: Initially, the eagles seemed to have an allergy to the volcanic gases around Mount Doom. However, as the situation grew dire and the fate of Middle-earth hung in the balance, they took the risk, willing to endure discomfort for the greater good.
>2. Fear of Heights: Surprisingly, some eagles were wary of the heights in Mordor's treacherous terrain. Yet, when they realized the urgency and understood the importance of the quest, they overcame their fears, embracing their duty to aid in the crucial moment of need.
>3. Eagle Societal Laws: Initially bound by strict societal norms, the eagles refrained from unauthorized travel. However, witnessing the imminent threat of Sauron's victory, they ultimately decided to bend their rules, prioritizing the greater cause over their traditional laws.
>4. Sky Traffic Laws: Originally constrained by aerial regulations, the eagles avoided Mordor's airspace. But with the tides turning and the need for a decisive move, they risked violating these laws, recognizing the critical nature of the moment and their ability to make a pivotal impact.
>Ultimately, the eagles chose to intervene when the situation became dire enough that the risks were outweighed by the urgency of the task at hand. They understood the gravity of Sauron's looming victory and decided to take action to aid Frodo and the Fellowship in their quest to destroy the Ring.
What the actual frick? I literally came to Cinemaphile to make this fricking thread?
Anyway yeah give the Ring to Gollman and tie him up in a covered wagon or something. wtf?
>character acts like a typical Frenchman
>"Lets name him Gaulman"
>Hey Gaulstein we’ll literally give you the Ring if you just tag along with us and chill. Sound cool?
This is an even bigger plot hole than the eagles.
The Lord of the Rings Audiobook Soundscape by Phil Dragash:
https://archive.org/details/the-fellowship-of-the-ring_soundscape-by-phil-dragash
https://archive.org/details/the-two-towers_soundscape-by-phil-dragash
https://archive.org/details/the-return-of-the-king_soundscape-by-phil-dragash
The Hobbit Theatrical Audiobook by Bluefax:
https://archive.org/details/the-hobbit-bluefax
The Quest of Erebor from Unfinished Tales by Bluefax:
The Children of Húrin read by Sir Christopher Lee:
The Silmarillion read by Philip Buckler:
>audiobooks
how the FRICK do people listen to this shit? you think about something else for one second and you've completely missed the meaning of a paragraph
>you think about something else for one second and you've completely missed the meaning of a paragraph
That's the thing, it's great for people WHO DON'T think
What do you think zoomers do when somebody talks for more than 5 seconds in any context?
Uhhhh, listen intently?
This. My friend only does audiobooks, Ill asl him about about apart and he'll go
>hmm I must have missed that
I have to read text because I know Im a brainlet and will need to reread the same paragraph or go back 2 pages for something.
This homie needs to smoke cigars daily until his balls finally drop, I don't want to listen to some homosexual narrate the unabridged trilogy. Get the frick out of this thread
Get out, you old wight! Vanish in the sunlight!
>Shrivel like the cold mist, like the winds go wailing,
Out into the barren lands far beyond the mountains!
>Come never here again! Leave your barrow empty!
Lost and forgotten be, darker than the darkness,
>Where gates stand for ever shut, till the world is mended.
Omg you're the narrator aren't you?
You sound like a fricking homosexual straight out of high school. Stop ruining good stories with your gay voice
filtered by the song of the eldar
Filtered by the literal homosexual reading the book
>Tol-keen
Holy frick I've been pronouncing it wrong my entire life
How have you been pronouncing it?
>The Children of Húrin read by Sir Christopher Lee
nice
who keeps making these lotr threads? Theres been over 50 created the last 7 days
Some new content is about to drop in Amazon prime so we gotta get pre-hyped before its officially announced
KYS
This is my job bro, calm down. I make good money to do this, I wouldn't otherwise. So just calm down
Just give the ring to my good friend and personal lawyer Berry Feldstein
Whatever happened it would have been intensely sexual and erotic
>He knew all the arguments of despair and would not listen to them. His will was set, and only death would break it.
Was it implied that sam was able to overcome the corruption of the ring? Borrowsmir went literally insane just for being near it, but sam carried frodo all the way to the cracks of doom without giving up or trying to take the ring
Sam was the main character who carried frodo (who was honestly more of a burden than the ring)
>>He knew all the arguments of despair and would not listen to them. His will was set, and only death would break it.
Holy fricking based
>tfw jannies try to ban me for saying Black person
He was able to overcome its temptation. If he had had to carry it for as long as Frodo had, he would have been corrupted just as easily. Possibly more so.
Boromir was a man who desperately wanted power to save his kingdom. Sam was a hobbit with no real ambitions outside of the Shire. The ring would affect them differently.
>The ring would affect them differently.
True, but Smeagol was also just a guy hanging out with his buddy with no ambition either.
He was also a evil weirdo piece of shit who murdered his cousin for the Ring so corrupting him was easy.
Yes, Sam is unambitious, good natured and loyal. The Ring tempted Sam with visions of all of Middle Earth being his personal garden and he rejected the temptation.
All Sam knows is gardening, food and his loyalty to Master Frodo. The ring can literally offer him nothing except thoughts of despair, while people with more power and ambition like Boromir are more susceptible to its corruption because they have actual power and stakes which the ring appeals to. The ring makes Boromir believe that he can use it to save Gondor and wield it against Sauron, but it deceives him because it only wants to get closer to Mordor.
If the ring was smart he would've just made up a lie about everyone who wore the ring shall die when it is destroyed or something so he'd basically had to kill Frodo which I'm not sure he would
The ring actually never lies. It promises power to do anything to anyone provided they can master it. Obviously only a handful of people in Middle Earth could do that but it's not technically a lie.
Strictly speaking Sam did take the ring when he thought Frodo had been killed by Shelob.
But he was able to give it back.
They should have put the ring on Gimlis dick and then made him shake it around like that one scene in Bruno.
if you put the ring on your dick wouldn't you just become invisible?
No, just your dick
>Isildur! Put it on you penis before it shrinks I want to know what would happen!
Hahaha
>isildur, throw it into the fire (of my ass)
What if you encased the ring in a bigger ring or block of iron? The ring couldnt escape
if you use the one ring as a prince albert piercing does that count as "wearing" it, or no, like wearing it on a chain around your neck? what if a woman used it to clit piercing?
No one can tell me they couldn't have launched the ring into space.
It would've been lost to time and Sauron couldn't do anything about it. Technically by using magic to do this Gandalf wouldn't even break any rules
Just throw the ring into the ocean lmao let the other generations deal with this shit
>the lords of the west wouldn't recieve the ring so we can't send it to Valinor
Such contrived writing. Aule could have undone the ring in an instant if he wanted to. The excuse that the Valar can't interfere because they cause too much harm is fricking bullshit here.
who tf knows maybe another boy over there would get corrupted
then you'd get a sea monster causing trouble
We pretend we can deal with nuclear waste by burying it somewhere completely ignoring that in 1000 years terrorist can still use it so I don't know why they didn't just bury it when we are even more shortsighted
I feel like the Ring can't be destroyed is misinformation. There must be other volcanoes in middle earth where it can be destroyed. It was probably Sauron's own propaganda. I don't understand how they all fell for it
You gonna risk The Ring not melting and having Good lose since Sauron is still stronger than them without The Ring?
It's a childrens story so if it were more realistic then yes I would. Just use the eagles to scout for another volcano
What if they gave it to Rabbi Goldberg?
What are the consequences if Smaug was never killed before the War of the Ring?
Thinking it over, even if Sauron couldn't recruit Smaug that still means Laketown would get destroyed quickly by the Easterlings since in canon they held a siege in Erebor with their dwarf allies. That means a huge horde of evil men could join the siege of Minas Tirith.
Could Sauron find a way to recruit Smaug?
Smaug had to go, middle earth was in danger as long as he was alive. Gandalf wasn’t worried nearly as much about the Sauron and some orcs as he was about Sauron somehow coercing Smaug into an allyship.
any battle in any of this entire series would have been ended in the blink of an eye with one pass by Smaug
who the frick is goldberry? why are you people so obsessed with this fricking shit?
Shut up woman
i'm not a woman, and i'm tired of these fricking threads. it's like you morons can't ever grow up. there's other stories throughout time that have been created you know. you don't have to have like 20 fricking threads about this every week.
"Black person."
Anon, Cinemaphile is a shithole, these are the only threads that have any discussion. Go complain about the countless bait and offtopic threads instead of complaining about good threads about an actual film. You must be an only child you insufferable little c**t.
Was it autism?
Gbtr
he's right you losers are pathetic and in no way better than any of the capeshit powerscale discussions found online. bet it drives you mad that lord of the rings is a Christian book aswell and it only exists because of God
if you believe in God literally everything only exists because of God. you wouldn’t need to specify a book written in the mid 20th century
holy reddit response. Bet you feel englightened right now fellow atheist
Tolkien was a devout catholic and Lord of the Rings is basically fantasy catholicism. If you enjoy the book you unironically believe in God
i’m not an atheist but you come across as either a baiting atheist or genuinely moronic. it’s very much inspired by his catholic beliefs but it can totally be enjoyed by anyone, though perhaps for their resonance with those ideas
Why would that drive anyone mad?
You can't compare capeshit canon to any work of a single man. LOTR has one guiding mind, capeshit franchises are like 10 dollar prostitutes who've been fricked by so many people over the years they don't know wtf is going on anymore.
Don't insult Tolkien's work by comparing it to Marvelslop and Bibleslop
Tolkien would take comparisons of his work to the bible as a massive compliment
Does the writing on the ring mean anything?
why did sauron create the ring in the first place? all it did was corrupting just 9 men. it didn't give him any special powers, but he put his spirit in it so when it's destroyed he's gone for good. I swear to god this gotta be the most moronic mcguffin in history. he basically created a killswitch for himself
If he didn't put his soul into the ring he would have died when Isildur fricked him up.
>If he didn't put his soul into the ring he would have died when Isildur fricked him up.
Rowling really did borrow this soul splitting concept.
She "borrowed" from a lot of places
that owl looks mad
the owl has no relevance in the work
No he wouldn’t. Jesus you guys are a bunch of pretend nerds.
The ring was so that Sauron could use his power and not lose it. Every other Maiar and Valar, when they use their powers they grow weaker permanently. Sauron made the ring so that he could use his power to corrupt Middle Earth and not lose it forever, it was kept in the ring. When the ring is destroyed, Sauron is not killed, he’s left without physical form and powerless. Sauron with the ring was the most powerful being in middle earth because it recycled his power essentially giving him infinite magical abilities .
>The ring was so that Sauron could use his power and not lose it
how could we have known?
Melkor morgoth goldbery tom? homies did we watch the same movie? What are you guys on about?
there’s no logic to tolkiens world. imagine being a guy in the fricking 1950s, long after we knew about evolution and shit, thinking an invisible fairy said hocus pocus and made the universe. that’s the sensible real world logic this israelite worshipper operated on. imagine what fantasy logic was to him
Burn in hell you commie frick.
>guy starts writing in the fricking trenches at the Somme
>wtf, why is he rejecting modernity?
There are better ways to criticize Tolkien, moron.
>Be Tolkien.
>An autistic perfectionist.
>Establish in your head and notes that no two Elves share the same name.
>Write LOTR.
>Currently writing "The Silmarillion."
>Notice that you accidentally named two different characters "Glorfindel." So they HAVE to be the same guy. But he dies in the Second Age. But then appears in LOTR.
>So do you change the name of the guy in "The Silmarillion?"
>Nope, instead you make up the Elvish death-Halls of Mandos-reincarnation cycle, so give the reason why Glorfindel is back to life, and back in Middle-Earth.
>In your autism don't notice that you fricked up, or made nonsensical, several other storylines in the process.
>Oh, well.
>there’s no logic to tolkiens world
seethe, just read a catechism.
Why not just flush it down a hobbit toilet?
Do hobbits have sewer plants or do they do the designated shitting street thing?
They have natural sewer, caverns if you will. They are inhabited by a variety of foul creatures including shit-goblins
This is canon
>throw ring in the middle of the ocean
>Ulmo yeets it into the deepest chasm never to be seen again
Seems like the best possible option that doesn't involve it being destroyed. However, that wouldn't stop Sauron from gathering an army and wreaking havok across Middle-earth.
>build a big ship with a furnace on board
>build a mold for a giant cube like 10 yards by 10 yards
>suspend ring in the middle of the giant cube from a chain
>fill mold with molten iron or steel
>sink ship in the deepest part of the ocean
Good luck retrieving that.
Why don't they just
>tie the ring to the end of a very long string
>leave the ring, unspool the string as you carry the spool to mordor
>at mt. doom, roll the string back up
>throw the ring into the lava
?
What makes Mt. Doom's lava more powerful than regular lava? Le magic?
Rules of magic
The ring can only be destroyed in the same place it was forged (or by dragon fire)
>or by dragon fire
Why?
it's powerful magic fire that can melt even the rings of power, but there's no dragons left by the time of LotR
>it's powerful magic fire
Sounds like an unimaginative cop-out. Explain the physical process by which the atoms of the One Ring break apart when it comes into contact with molten rock from Orodruin or with a fire-drake's conflagration. Don't dumb it down.
Magic.
It's a magical setting so it doesn't need further explaining.
I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be an underlying process behind the ring's destruction, be it physical, magical, supernatural or otherwise, so stop fricking around and explain it to me.
The one ring is impervious to physical damage. It appears to be gold but clearly has different qualities. It can grow and shrink too... it’s magic mate, just accept it.
Gandalf stated that not even Ancalagon the black, greatest of dragons could have melted the one.
sounds quite racist. why can't the black dragon melt the ring? is his fire not white enough?
he didn't even know how to open a magic door
He was overthinking it. Such a simple riddle was beneath him.
he literally sat down and smoked weed.
It's not weed.
he was so stoned he didn't know wtf way to go in the mines and then when he wanted solo the raid boss he told the group to fly.
it was weed.
>muh Tom Bombadil
Books were a fricking mistake.
>noooooooo not the singing man who lives in a cottage in the woods, how could this happen to me
Didn't any of your morons catch up on the fact that Tom Bombadil is Melkor, or some aspect of him?
moron take. Tom Bombadil predates lotr itself. He's a character from some unrelated short story Tolkein wrote.
>He's a character from some unrelated short story Tolkein wrote
no he isn't. he saved the hobbits.
>Tom Bombadil is stated to be the first being on Arda.
>Melkor in "The Silmarillion" is stated to be the first to enter Arda in search of the Secret Fire.
He didn't even try to hide it, anon.
Why didn't Frodo and Sam just used an Amazon truck to deliver the Ring?
Baby's first fantasy story
t. Abercrombie enjoyer pseud
Should I bother reading the books or do the movies a good enough job replacing them
The movies are great but they're definitely not a replacement for the books. Pretty much every why didn't X? argument is explained in the books also the quality and quantity of the dialog is much higher. Tolkein being a scholar of the english language and all.
Plus the movies made hundreds of small changes to the story and it's nice to see how it really goes.
Thanks for explaining, anon. Might give them a read soon
movies are garbage to be honest (desu)
Read, its more fun
The films are just really well-produced hollywood action movies. They excise all of the Christian messaging and virtually every character in the films is incredibly one-dimensional and streamlined for an american audience
if you want to ruin the movies for yourself do not read the books.
why is it that everyone who poses this question suddenly forget about the ringwraiths
>um why not just put it on a rope that's like 8 miles long
because the ringwraiths would get it
It’s said the ring wraiths can sense the ring but it’s very weak unless someone puts the ring on or is very close to them. The ring was carried to mordor quite literally under their nose and they had no idea.