>harry Potter fanfiction the worst kind
>Weak shallow villain who is an allegory for bigotry .
>Writing that could be only describe as Trama dumping and the results of growing up on Tumblr
>Every mother figure in the show except luz's Scream "screw you mom I'm not going to church " .
>The worst main character in the history of Disney
>People think this show is good because muh lesbian girls in it .
>Bad final season and finally (they were cancelled so this one get a pass)
The only good thing about the show is some decent fight scenes (5 but they look awesome) some backgrounds and locations
And Lilith and Eda are the only good, interesting and well written characters in this entire shit show.
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Don't be sad it happened. Be glad it's over
All of Burbank and Atlanta, and wherever the hell the animators hang out, is run by people who think inspiration IS creativity instead of a source to it.
As a consequence, all new animation is just a jigsaw puzzle of ideas they plucked out of other IPs dressed over with intersectionality and Tumblr/DeviantArt-tier sense of aesthetics
>tl;dr
>Not enough gatekeeping from every CalArts class since 2011
Their art teachers at Cal Arts and RISD encourage them to "steal everything" and that "all art is theft". In a way the art teachers are right, but for some reason this current generation can't create anything original or innovative compared to past generations.
Funny seeing as these are the type of hypocrites that will make money off selling their hentai on Patreon.
You forgot that they ripped off Ryoko and Cubone
My wife
She cute, a shame the OVAs went to shit
She and Aisha Clanclan gave me a thing for 2D girls with long ears
Based
Just watch OVA 1 to 13 and Universe, ignore the rest
I enjoy Tenchi in Tokyo. It is a different animal from the others though.
Yuugi was alright, best Tenchi villain alongside Yume from the manga
Isn't her hair even closer to Ryo-oki's humanoid form?
Sure looks like it wtf
Can you homosexuals leave the dude alone, it was a joke from his colleagues, he didn't insert himself there
Frick off Goldman
Haha it was just a prank bros
You really believe that excuse?
Seriously?
Honestly?
Sincerely?
Really?
>A joke
It was in multiple episodes. At least three that I know of.
think this show is good because muh lesbian girls in it .
Incorrect. The reason the show got shortened is literally because it was expressively NOT popular with the intended demographic aka kids. Seriously if you think kids like this lesbian shit then got a bridge to sell you.
In fact kids have largely STOPPED liking western cartoons. Amphibia is not popular. Molly? No. Hayley's On It? No. That squirrel girl show? No way. The last Disney success was City Greens and it's ratings aren't that great. Disney is so desperate they are bringing back Phineas and Ferb of all things because they know they are failing big time with kids.
The other networks aren't doing good either. Kids these days are way into Japanese gaming, anime, and of course internet Youtube, streaming, tik tok, etc. That kind of stuff is what interests kids now.
Nothing you said is contradictory with what you quoted. He said "people think" the show is good, not that kids like it or that it was successful.
He's schizo who just needs to rave about how [modern cartoon] "wasn't popular with kids"
I don't know if it's true or not, but why does he give a shit anyway?
Cartoons don't need to appeal to only kids where did you got that from my post,
All that I did Was pointing out how awful this show is.
If you love the owl house anon good for you whatever makes you happy is great, but don't assume your opinion is the Only one that exist.
And yes I'm a schizo and I do give a shit , do you have a problem with that?
The show wasn't good and ALL Cartoon Channels are geared twords kids. Not lesbian teet suckers like yourself
I said people not kids anon.
I feel like 90% of American/western animation these days is not made for kids or even families, but for “adult” SJW in their 20s and 30s who only care about muh representation and consoom all things Disney because it’s Disney
Late Adventure Time moment
Disney tried to court the Tumblr market after seeing how well Gravity Falls and Star vs. did on there. The trouble is, fandom is ultimately a very small slice of overall viewership. You can have a cult hit with a huge fandom (that will eventually move onto the next hot thing) or a show with mass appeal but no fandom (that kids will watch on repeat and find easy to understand).
Take a wild guess which option is more lucrative and has more staying power.
Poor guy subjecting himself to female romance novels, now I know where Shinji's depression comes from
>Loves Tom and Jerry hates Disney
>Favorite girl is Asuka
Holy BASED Batman.
>most anime makers are basically autistic
I kneel
>Verification not required.
Owlgay aren't people but redditors that infect this board.
There is a reason people call this Cinemaphilembrl
Cinemaphile pushing this narrative that TOH was a trainwreck is so sad
Yep. Another Cinemaphile that show loved did a few things it didn't like and now it gets the most polarizing reception when actually talked about, just exclusively on Cinemaphile, people will adore what it did outside the site.
All you all are doing is just making another Steven Universe tier legacy. It's another show that had a lot of LGBT shit but had great potential, however due to said LGBT shit it was canned way before it was meant to be and had to rush it's finale.
It's the second time in a row a show that certainly had good attention at first got shitcanned anons, I don't know why we let the corpos off the hook for canning a show for what amounts to fricking nothing.
How is creating the exact same thread twice in a row not spam
I've yet to see any real criticism of Luz as a character. I was always into female characters like her who are nice, supportive, confident, assertive but also willing to hear others out. The people on Cinemaphile that hate her or Amity do so for a very obvious shallow reason, most of them probably didn't watch past the pilot as they define Luz not by any of the qualities I listed but by her being "quirky" even though that's fricking puddle-deep and Luz is not about that. A girlfriend that had Luz's personality traits would be perfect. The world would be a better place if we had more people like this in it.
She's a fundamentally obnoxious character, who's "flaws" are played up as being actual positive qualities. What you call "quirky" is an insufferable trait, which the developers even outright say is autism, but the writers treat her negative traits with kiddie gloves, so as to never challenge them.
The only discernable negative trait I can think off (and I'll blatantly admit i tuned out after season 1) is her naivete, which again is shown to only be a problem ONCE every story arc.
All of this would be OK if she was in a show with the same pace and tone like Dora the Explorer or Scooby Doo, that is weekly or episodal issues, but she is in a show with clearly operating continuity and evolving world. Her character development has to be at stake same as the challenges she face, and they're not. Instead she's portrayed as some borderline saint-like figure who improves the world in every aspect. Not even Aang who was an actual chosen one, had that going for him.
>Not even Aang who was an actual chosen one, had that going for him.
Didn't Aang lie to two groups of villagers to prevent a war between them?
Also Luz chose to kill her bad guy while Aang just neutralized his even if he 100% deserved to die, so there's that
Hold on sir killed her vilain is a strong word here
Belus Was already between life and death he was only able to move because of the Titan hearts lose stopped him after the super temporary magical girl transformation she didn't shot the final blow to end him maybe Eda and king stopping on him is what kill him but I don't think Luz did that for sure
Even if we took the she could've helped him didn't the collector show as that even super magic can't fix the Dead.
>Didn't Aang lie to two groups of villagers to prevent a war between them?
Yes. That was an amoral choice to solve an issue, and it's played for laugh. That's actually a clever way of giving a character edge. The issue isn't solved by his mere presence, but by him being clever about it.
Him not killing Ozai is the resolution to a season long conflict about Aang's conflict with his role as avatar. Luz killing Belos is nothing of the same scale, because killing Belos is never brought up as a point of conflict to begin with.
Aang is a character in conflict, Luz is just one in world full of problems to which she is treated like a universal solution. In that regard she has more in common with characters like Korra or Naruto.
I don't describe Luz as quirky. Only people like you do, because you have so little of substance to say on her actual character qualities that you resort to labels "oh she's just another autistic quirky girl" when her character has plenty of other aspects.
Also
>I'll blatantly admit i tuned out after season 1
>that is weekly or episodal issues, but she is in a show with clearly operating continuity and evolving world.
U wot m8. S1 is mostly episodic.
>Her character development has to be at stake same as the challenges she face, and they're not. Instead she's portrayed as some borderline saint-like figure who improves the world in every aspect.
First, character development is not an obligation, it's just one way to tell a story. You can tell a story about a largely static protagonist who faces temporary challenges, mostly external ones, but sometimes turn into internal ones, but eventually overcomes them all. Maintaining their beliefs in the face of those challenges and finding a way to deal with them is what drives the story.
Second, Luz is not even 100% that. A lot of the episode conflicts happen in part due to a fault of her own, and she has to learn plenty of standard things a cartoon protagonist has to learn, especially in the episodic S1. She faces struggles and grows more mature as a person. A character doesn't have to have a flaw that defines their behavior to be engaging. Or, as you can put it, the flaw can be their inability to solve every conflict effortlessly.
>First, character development is not an obligation, it's just one way to tell a story
For some narratives sure, but not in a fricking liminal story, which is what TOH is. And a failed one at that, because Luz is 99% the same character by the time she curbstomps Belos, as she was when she got into the magical world.
It's just plain lousy character building, on top of decent worldbuilding. TOH is a pretty to look at show, but it's shockingly bad writing for most of the continuity. I'm not even going to touch on the political undertones, even though I'm sure that informed a lot of the writing decisions, but Luz is barely more complicated than a character from a picture book you read for 5-year olds.
>Luz is 99% the same character by the time she curbstomps Belos, as she was when she got into the magical world
Yes, a static character isn't going to change the core of their personality, only some of their beliefs.
>but Luz is barely more complicated than a character from a picture book you read for 5-year olds.
Why does she have to be complicated? You have plenty of other characters in the show with stronger internal conflict that you can project your insecurities on. Let the protagonist be the messiah.
This
/co/'s arguments against her are so shit
Thank you Anon, sorry for posting this thread again but I just wanted to start a discussion other than coomers threads.
>I hate this entire character because of a joke line she said in one of the episodes, I will now ignore everything else she ever does or says in dozens of other episodes
You're doing a great job proving me wrong on "people hate Luz for shallow reasons" part, bro.
>that the younger generation sees them as subhuman filth
You mean the young zoomers and gen alpha who will grow up on watching this show? Yeah good luck
>Zoomers and gen alpha who grow up watching this show
Lol. Maybe in TikTok or YouTube clips. TOH's audience was overwhelmingly people in the same age demographic as the people who were developing it.
Congrats on being proving the people who made this show right
>complains like a gayget about standards
>watches this show
FAAAAAAAG
>harry potter fanfiction
Do you genuinely think Rowling invented 'magic school' trope?
>What's happened to people standards?
>People think this show is good because muh lesbian girls in it .
You just answered yourself kiddo
The romance in the show was genuinely good. Compare how Luz acts to how Lois acts in the new Superman cartoon. You may cope and seethe and shit yourself about muh dykes all you want, but TOH NEVER had this stupid tired plot where two lovers argue over a moronic misunderstanding. It didn't force a likeable character to get pissed at their lover for petty reasons, leaving a mark on their reputation forever And encouraging morons to start getting offended and taking sides.
You know I'm right. Whenever I talked about how refreshing it was that Owl House didn't have tired relationship drama, people tried to retort with "well yeah a perfect relationship is boring, you need a conflict", never mind the fact that a story can be about two people in a relationship in a conflict with some outside force. And when people got their forced, tired, tropey relationship conflict in the Superman show, they got mad. Is this what you think TOH romance was lacking all along?
The only reason Luz and Amity are barely better than the other DTVA dykes is because they are not ugly-last minute replacement gremlins.
It was still shit. Luz just suddenly likes Amity that way.
>just suddenly
Yeah, nevermind that their relationship progressed throughout the entire S1
Ok, point me out the moment. Luz starts having those feeling for Amity the. Cause as i remember she just suddenly starts blushing like an idiot when she previously acted just fine when she was with Amity. Who also suddenly starts to act like a completely different character and her character will from then on entirely focus on being luz's girlfriend. The characters and writing of this show are trash
>Ok, point me out the moment. Luz starts having those feeling for Amity the. Cause as i remember she just suddenly starts blushing like an idiot when she previously acted just fine when she was with Amity.
What should've been the moment? Should everything just be attraction at first sight? You can't develop feelings gradually?
>Who also suddenly starts to act like a completely different character and her character will from then on entirely focus on being luz's girlfriend.
Oh no. Are you upset you didn't get another generic mean bully girl and they went the more realistic route of her putting on a facade? Amity had plenty of focus on her own stuff after that too.
>Not answering
Kek your show is shit Dana.
I'd say you're a gay for ignoring everything else I said, but you're tribeschizo so I shouldn't expect much of special kids like you.
>Doesn't give a serious answer to valid questions
>Expects a serious answer in return
Are owlgays this stupid or they are just that way?
Why does this question matter? She got attracted to Amity at some point during S1, which one exactly is up to your interpretation.
>Are owlgays this stupid or they are just that way?
Try again, this time with the ESL babble.
Luz/Amity was decent. I'll give it credit that it was actually written with intent and not shoved at the last-minute because of writers trying to troll their audience or a storyboard artist hijacking the show in favor of her ship.
Hunter/Willow is rather useless (albeit cute). Eda/Raine feels it was written by teenagers who don't know what a real romance with adults looks like.
>Eda/Raine feels it was written by teenagers who don't know what a real romance with adults looks like.
Could you elaborate? I feel like Cinemaphile hates Raine because they waifu Eda and also Raine is a genderfluid creatura of some sort.
Eda is a moronic hobo wine aunt who didnt even teach Luz magic, why would anyone waifu her?
I kinda wonder what would happen if the main love interest was a guy, with luz officialy being bi.
It would've been a lot less popular on twitter and Cinemaphile.
Likely still would have been cancelled though.
It would've been extremely popular on Cinemaphile with people hailing it as the savior of Western animation.
Since the owltroony is too stupid to answer. here it goes. Dana and team are just shitty writers Things in the show just happen because with out nuance in between. They have all these cool tropes but none of them connects with one another in a way that makes them feel organic. They just go from A to Z and never bother to build up something that justifies that change.
There was a whole season of building up their relationship, but again, I shouldn't expect a special needs kid like you to actually pay attention.
Frogtroons look very upset, did the janny sniped their thread?
This show felt like it was whipped up in a lab to create a tween-to-manchild fandom.