It really is. >Sexist chain-smoking WWI pilot with PTSD spends his days as a bounty hunter for hire off the coast of Italy thwarting seaplane pirates during the rise of fascism in Europe, privately longing for his childhood love >Gets pulled out of his cozy routine when the local pirate gangs pool their resources to hire an American Pilot to take him down a notch, forcing him to reconcile with his attitude toward women if he's to fly again
which would be great by itself, but also >the main character is a pig, it is never explained or addressed, he is the only character in the entire film that is an animal, and every 5 minutes he looks at the camera and makes a pig-related pun
Absolute kino and Studio Ghibli's best work.
Fun Fact: The town in that painting was the site of some of the most savage fighting of the Yugoslav Wars, it was also where Game of Thrones was filmed
>Sexist
That's is making a lot assumption, it's literally one line, >"I don't want you to fix my plane, because you are a girl"
And after that he just moves past it, and lets her do it anyway, and nothing like that is ever brought again.
He grows as a person, and realizes he was wrong, later. Older stories used to be able to have good characters have negative flaws that they can overcome. I'm not sure why that changed. Maybe they're worried the twitter crowd will scream for a day, until distracted again.
>Kiki's Delivery Service
Probably had the most impact in America. I remember watching it in school even at a time when anime wasn't well-known.
>Spirited Away
Probably the most successful at the box office in the States.
>Princess Mononoke
A little less accessible and also preachy so it can't be number 1
>Howl's Flying Castle
I enjoyed it but it's based on some english novel if I'm not mistaken. Also somewhat preachy. I'm not sure if it's better than PM but it's not worse.
>Other shit
I've never seen them except for a few minutes of the Ponyo movie. It didn't hook me at the time. None of these had a cultural impact in the USA, which is what really matters.
On looking back I use to like Nausica the most as a kid but as an Adult i gravitate towards porco rosso, it's just such a comfy film that also hits that rarity where the protagonist is the best part of the film, I really hope more timeless films are made in the future but I doubt they will do it again in my lifetime at this point.
This 1000%. Genuinely one of the greatest movies ever made period. Utterly unique visually and beautiful, non-standard plot without becoming incomprehensible gibberish. Perfectly paced, perfect cinematography, perfect characters, perfect music. Far and away the most soulful of Ghibli movies by far, you can tell the entire creative team from top to bottom was pouring their very souls into it.
Pre-HMC Ghibli was pretty magical all around by Miyazaki fricking nailed it with Rosso. If there is a heavy, it's a sheltered cove in the Adriatic on a sunny summer day.
It's definitely heartfelt, but only in a really masturbatory way. I've described it before as Miyazaki jerking off on film. Saw it once, don't need to see it ever again.
My issue with poco rosso is the inherent contradiction of how war should be portrayed. Most of the time war and everything associated with it, is represented as the worst thing imaginable. We see the trauma that it left on him and how he mostly tends to avoid conflict. Yet later on we get this scene where a bunch of kids are playing around the pirates weaponry. It humorizes or cutsifies the topic of war. Undermining the whole message of the terrors of war and its consequences.
I loved this movie except the voice acting for the english version at least sucked, literally would have characters in 2 different planes talking to each other in low mumbles, not even a remote effort to try and "shout" or otherwise match your tone to what's happening on screen. I was really annoyed by this, it felt like the lines tommy vercetti mumbles in vice city, but somehow got past editors and became movie dialogue. Other than that I loved it.
>I feel like every single Miyazaki movie is 8/10 or 9/10
I feel like every Miyazaki movie has the same issue >starts slow takes it's time to introduce you to setpieces >shows you unnecessary SoL things >suddenly rushes to the ending >makes some shit up >complete utter nonesense >ending
Spirited away is like the biggest culprit of this >my parents are pigs >need to work >suddenly I frick off >ah yes haku you are the dragon from the river I drowned once and no one ever knew >everything is suddenly good >oh shit the parents >eh yes they are not the ones you show me, because I just know (haku told me off screen) >done
>I feel like every single Miyazaki movie is 8/10 or 9/10
I feel like every Miyazaki movie has the same issue >starts slow takes it's time to introduce you to setpieces >shows you unnecessary SoL things >suddenly rushes to the ending >makes some shit up >complete utter nonesense >ending
Spirited away is like the biggest culprit of this >my parents are pigs >need to work >suddenly I frick off >ah yes haku you are the dragon from the river I drowned once and no one ever knew >everything is suddenly good >oh shit the parents >eh yes they are not the ones you show me, because I just know (haku told me off screen) >done
Yeah tbh the world building is always engrossing but then the film ends and you're like "wait is that it?". They definitely struggle to wrap up the endings but for me that's not even much of an issue. I think Howl's is really good too. Why does everyone hate it?
My top 3 are
1. Porco Rosso
2. Princess Mononoke
3. Castle in the Sky
My issue with Howl (and Nausicaä) is the lack of focus. I feel like those films try to do so much when it comes to the worldbuilding that the rules of the world get very muddled, and it loses your interest in the story and characters just trying to figure out what's going on. I think Mononoke and Spirited Away are much better examples of efficiently explaining their fantasy worlds and also having an engrossing story.
I hate Howls because its a terrible adaption of the books. Any other director would of got shit on for such a mess (See Goro).
Miyazaki just uses concepts from the source and puts his self indulgence into it. Boy and Heron suffers the same. Kiki again isn't accurate to its source but his ego was smaller back then and made something with soul.
I was a DWJ kid and loved the movie because while it fricked off the plot of the book, it nailed the vibe of DWJ's writing, the mix of old-world Tolkien/C.S. Lewis fantasy (as opposed to 70s-80s fantasy lit) combined with very modern sardonic wit - Billy Crystal as Calcifer is a casting masterstroke. Could it be better? Sure? But given how Hollywood treated Mortal Engines I think we DWJ fans got off lightly.
That's why Porco Rosso works so well, the first 15 minutes are it's own short film, then it jumps into the actual movie
Porco was the first Ghibli film I ever saw, late night on SBS here in Australia around 99 or 2000. I was 14 when Spirited Away released in the West and I got absorbed in everything Ghibli. When the DVD releases trickled in I bought them all. I thought Miyazaki was the greatest and Grave of the Fireflies sucked balls.
These days I realise that while Miyazaki is one of the finest animators in history, he's a poor director and an abhorrent writer. The clearest example of this is his screenplay for Whisper of the Heart. It has all the problems with Miyazaki's style of writing. Takahata was a vastly superior filmmaker in everyway.
It isn't, although I do like it a whole lot. It's the same thing with Spirited or Howl's or even Ponyo, the films are good despite Miyazaki's writing, not because of it.
>the films are good despite Miyazaki's writing, not because of it.
Maybe but Kondo was the best Ghibli director.
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I'd say that's Takahata by a mile but he was a better director than Miyazaki and showed so much promise. I've no doubt Ghibli wouldn't be so reliant on Miyazaki if that man hadn't died so early. What a world to imagine...
As I get older I find Joe Hisaishi stuff makes me so melancholic I can't stand it. I'm not a philosophical man and I don't have the internal language to deal with it.
For me it's Princess Mononoke. Castle in the Sky is a close second and has a better balance of intrigue and levity, but compared to his later works you can really see the leaps in both technical skill and budget involved. Howl's is my "guilty pleasure" pick. I'm fully aware it has issues with it's plotting and such, but I still enjoy the ride.
Unironically Miyazaki has the more nuanced take never overdramatically suggesting what Jiro is doing is wrong and war is bad. The whole movie Oppenheimer is 'wrong' and war is bad and shame on all of you.
He just liked planes very much. That's why he shared that dream with that Italian dude.
Cagliostro Lupin is the only lighthearted version where everyone is a rogue and not overtly evil or scummy, just gentleman crooks. The rest of the franchise is typical Jap shit, with things like Fujiko being a drug using prostitute/thief whose basic strategy for every job she takes is go just NTR herself to ugly bastards instead of using her well honed catwoman-esque thief skills to just break in and take their shit (which Lupin does) because it's the writer inserting his cuckfetish into it. Miyazaki is an actual honorary aryan without mental health issues or typical bug thinking so he elevated the source material into something more meaningful.
Two days ago, a documentary called "2399 days with Hayao Miyazaki & Studio Ghibli" was broadcast in Japan, which surprised many viewers.
It's a shame that non-Japanese people couldn't watch this.
I won't give any spoilers, but I can tell you one thing.
If Miyazaki then Porco was his last decent and coherent film. The shit that he followed were either preachy self indulgent shit or made up as he went along. Howls is just as bad as an adaption as Earthsea yet gets a pass by homosexuals who think anything that Miyazaki shits out is automatically a masterpiece.
Takahata made Kaguya which was the last great Ghibli movie.
It's such a good scene, so good that Miyazaki decided to reference it in his last two films
A scene so good.... that Miyazaki stole it from the autobiography of children's book author Roald Dahl. If you ever see anything made by a Japanese that seems genuinely kino, it's because it was stolen from someone else
This. Japanese media take advantage of the fact that 90% of Westerners know little to nothing about their "old" media, and shamelessly steal from them.
>Earthsea is a bad adaptation
This is a good thing considering Earthsea is like a modern netflix adaptation but written in the 60s.
Author literally made a european based fantasy setting but where white people are backwards savages and an ambiguous brown people make up the dominating civilized ethnic group in the setting.
It has elements that subtlety bash Christianity by having it so that reincarnation was the primary afterlife of the setting before mages attempted to create a place similar to heaven to immortalize their souls called the dry lands, which turned on them and ruined the afterlife for everybody because the DryLands is more like Hades.
I vaguely recall the white "Kargs" being islam tier and the protagonist one (that was probably an insert) who shows up as the "Sparrowhawk's Girl" in the movie went through some shit as the servant shit existence as some dark gods servant because she was a woman.
>Author literally made a european based fantasy setting but where white people are backwards savages and an ambiguous brown people make up the dominating civilized ethnic group in the setting.
So VIII-XV centiury mideterranian basically.
The entire film is wonderful from start to finish but that scene where they get to Laputa and walk around discovering with the robot is breath-taking in both imagery and design.
I'm ashamed to say I shied away from Yamadas and most of Takahata's for too long. That film is hilarious and actually some of the best animation the studio has done. Pom Poko was even better, those poor little frickers.
Definitive ranking of Hayao Miyazaki directed films.
12) Howl's Moving Castle
11) Ponyo
10) The Wind Rises
9) The Boy and the Heron
8) Porco Rosso
7) Laputa
6) Kiki's Delivery Service
5) Spirited Away
4) The Castle of Cagliostro
3) Mononoke Hime
2) Tonari no Totoro
1) Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
Fun Fact: The town in that painting was the site of some of the most savage fighting of the Yugoslav Wars, it was also where Game of Thrones was filmed
Is this OC? On my Cinemaphile? >pregnant anne frank gang
men of supreme culture
For me it's Kiki Delivery Service. The whole thing is just so comfy and pleasant. The environment itself is just a hyper idealized thing that it truly makes you want to live in it's world. Kiki's journey is certainly not that thrilling but it truly feels so adventurous without having too much fantasy stuff in the way.
Mononoke, Nausicaa, Castle in the Sky, and Spirited Away. A Month of Miyazaki really nailed the top films.
People saying Kiki's is the best are so wrong. What a boring film compared to the rest.
>Princess Mononoke >How's Moving Castle >Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
All are fine answers and any other answers are wrong. They have the best plots, settings, character designs, and music by far.
Porco Rosso is also just a fun movie, so I wouldn't give anyone a hard time if they told me that was their favorite.
Definitive ranking of Hayao Miyazaki directed films.
12) Howl's Moving Castle
11) Ponyo
10) The Wind Rises
9) The Boy and the Heron
8) Porco Rosso
7) Laputa
6) Kiki's Delivery Service
5) Spirited Away
4) The Castle of Cagliostro
3) Mononoke Hime
2) Tonari no Totoro
1) Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
You posted it. My favorite is Princess Mononoke. I didn't really like The Boy and the Heron, thought its message was vague and experientially it didn't make me feel much.
Princess Mononoke has multiple Ghibli's strengths that many of their films only show one side of. Princess M combines many of these for an original and satisfying film - story set sometime in the history in Japan, a fantasy/spirit/magic world with its own rules and characters, and meaningful themes that are deeply personal but also have impact on the world. It's also Miyazaki and Ghibli's most graphic and mature movie.
I feel like The Boy and the Heron was very similar to Spirited Away but also tried to be epic like Princess M or Nausicaa. Got lost somewhere in the middle.
nta but at the top of my head in mononoke there's both boars turning into slime demons plus all the times ashitaka's arm acts up
then once they shoot the deer god it turns into balls of black sludge and it transforms into a giant slimy monster
in spirited away the when noface goes crazy and starts eating people he looks pretty slimy not to mention the sludge monster(I think they call it a stink spirit) that visits the bathhouse and turns out to be a polluted river
in howls moving castle when he mistakenly dies his hair black throws a tantrum and starts oozing green slime and sophie has to carry him to the shower. the henchman of the wicked witch are also made of slime and she also melts
Miyazaki tends to use slime as a medium to express supernatural forces probably because it's easier to animate and more distinct than abstract energy effects used to represent supernatural powers in other anime.
In Princess Mononoke the demonic pig gods are infested with slime like eels that represent their corruption. Noface gets really gooey in his greed form in Spirited Away.
The Witch of the Waste creates slime men servants with her magic and Howl emits green slime from his body during his temper tantrum in Howl's.
Ponyo's father creates slime like familiars to hunt down his daughter in Ponyo.
Even Goro utilizes slime in Earthsea with Cob's supernatural transformations.
I prefer Nausicaa's setting but as far as storytelling Mononoke gets a lot more things right and it has a more epic quality
Nausicaa's manga also makes the move look way worse.
>Nausicaa's manga also makes the move look way worse.
I felt the opposite. The movie is at least fairly focused while the manga is able to meander and wank Nausicaa even harder.
Unironically Miyazaki has the more nuanced take never overdramatically suggesting what Jiro is doing is wrong and war is bad. The whole movie Oppenheimer is 'wrong' and war is bad and shame on all of you.
I don't doubt it. I never watched Oppenheimer, but I've hated everything Nolan made after Dark Knight so far. Wind Rises is a quality film because it deals with a personal conflict and the madness of reality without being camp or too silly. Granted, it's an exaggeration to call it a biopic, but it still works as a film.
>the fact that neither eboshi, ashitaka, mononoke or jiko bo DIED kinda of weakened the ending to me*
kinda missed an important word for this sentence to make sense
Princess Mononoke, but I'm biased becuauss it was my first ghibli film and i saw it when i was like 7
Even my hardass normie dad who I watched it with loved it
I really like the Yamadas a lot. The comedy style is very cynical and real, but it still maintains a lot of heart and meaning. I don't understand why it's not held in higher a esteem, I think it must've had a raw deal from people who expect all Ghibli to be "magical" or whatever. I'm English and it reminded me of a lot of nostalgic comedies. What do you think of it?
first watched it with a family, including a 5-year-old, and 8-year-old, and a 9-year-old.
everyone loved it, laughing our asses off, too.
very well done
>great message
lmfao miyazaki slop enjoyers think there was anything of value in that. it makes so much sense why you found Kaguya boring. normally i'd say watch more than 2k movies to get it but you seem extra dense so you'll probably need 4k.
Kaguya will never be same to me after i watched old anime series with same story but girl accends and becomes prostitute for her previous lives' sins. Ascending to heaven is not enough. Religion b***hes.
Onthe bright side the boy that loved her got together with his tomboy girlfriend. But god of fire kindapped her to rape. Paganism is awesome.
The Boy and the Heron will be considered his greatest before this decade's over with. It's his most densely symbolic and abstract. Everybody's either too afraid to say it's his best because they don't want to be too hasty or they just haven't watched it enough times to realize how brilliant it is yet, but it's his magnum opus, swan song, and autobiography.
>swan song
until he makes another one. He's been making his "swan song" since wind rises and it comes off as disingenuous when you say goodbye through your art but never actually say goodbye
>since wind rises
He "retired" after Mononoke. Then he saw some dicky and was inspired to make Spirited Away. Then he "retired" again after Ponyo but unretired 5 minutes later and announced he was working on his "final" film which became The Wind Rises.
Then he "retired" again and for about 5 years it seemed legit and then he came back. Then all through production of HDYL? he claimed this would be his final film and the second it releases he announces he's working on something else.
This man is incapable of retiring. He loves his work and his craft more than his family, especially Goro, who is not a man. He will keep making films until he either dies or is literally to sick or blind to do it. This is his curse.
The Wind Rises is boring as shit, it's essentially the background war plot from Howl's Moving Castle stripped from everything else surrounding it, Miyazaki at his preachiest and least imaginative.
No, I got the message, the guy's dream got tangled with the war effort and he lost vision of it until his wife died and her dying breath lifted his plane.
It's really boring and derivative, even the sick wife element is copied from Howl's random magical ailment that is turning him into a beast.
Based. Princess Mononoke was my favorite when i was younger and i still love it to death, but now i'm in my late 20's and the wind rises hits me harder than any other ghibli. His most underrated by far.
Howl's Moving Castle, very underrated, a movie with actual story and characters unlike Spirited Away which is just a concept with no soul or identity, The Boy and the Heron is essentially the same exact blueprint but done a million times better.
Boy and the Heron felt like a dream where you randomly appear in a location without knowing how you got there. The references to other ghibli movies added to that dream like feeling even more like your mind is flashing with past memories out of context like a brief flash of deja vu. Really unique film.
I don't think the wind rises is bad but it's about the guy who actually existed, and it wasn't miyazaki's idea to make it a movie and miyazaki is an airplane otaku so it feels pretty different
>Kiki's Delivery Service
Probably had the most impact in America. I remember watching it in school even at a time when anime wasn't well-known.
>Spirited Away
Probably the most successful at the box office in the States.
>Princess Mononoke
A little less accessible and also preachy so it can't be number 1
>Howl's Flying Castle
I enjoyed it but it's based on some english novel if I'm not mistaken. Also somewhat preachy. I'm not sure if it's better than PM but it's not worse.
>Other shit
I've never seen them except for a few minutes of the Ponyo movie. It didn't hook me at the time. None of these had a cultural impact in the USA, which is what really matters.
>Princess Mononoke >How's Moving Castle >Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
All are fine answers and any other answers are wrong. They have the best plots, settings, character designs, and music by far.
Porco Rosso is also just a fun movie, so I wouldn't give anyone a hard time if they told me that was their favorite.
>This studio
You mean Miyazaki. This is not a problem in Takahata's films. Not one of them. Miyazaki is good at animating dicky and so everyone gets distracted from the fact that almost all of his films fall apart in the last 20 minutes. Castle in the Sky and Porco Rosso are exceptions to this.
I've watched >Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro >Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind >Princess Mononoke >Spirited Away
and remember none of them.
I prefer live action. I find animation inherently soulless and dull.
I've watched >Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro >Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind >Princess Mononoke >Spirited Away
and remember none of them.
I prefer live action. I find animation inherently soulless and dull.
>More shit bait
You have to try harder than this, absolutely pathetic. Amateur hour.
>According to Concerned Ape, there are some cool opportunities within that medium for Stardew Valley, but he feels like it's risky giving characters voice acting and having them move around on their own. >Barone also felt that his time could be better spent just developing more games. He would only agree if particular and esteemed studios came knocking on his door to create such projects. "If Studio Ghibli approached me, I would probably say okay, let's do it," he chuckled. "If David Lynch approached me and wanted to make a Stardew Valley movie, I would say go ahead, just do it."
Two days ago, a documentary called "2399 days with Hayao Miyazaki & Studio Ghibli" was broadcast in Japan, which surprised many viewers.
It's a shame that non-Japanese people couldn't watch this.
I won't give any spoilers, but I can tell you one thing.
>attends the premiere of his son's movie >leaves half way pissed because of how bad the movie is and claiming his son is not yet a man >feels obligated to leave him a letter saying it was a decent movie pissed because he doesn't really mean it >his son says on interviews how the letter left him in tears happy to finally get his father's approval >all the footage of miyazaki's tantrum exposing his dishonesty exists so his son has definitely seen how he really felt
this man is a fricking monster
half way pissed because of how bad the movie is and claiming his son is not yet a man
OR
half way, pissed because of how bad the movie is and claiming his son is not yet a man
Which do you mean?
Do you mean
(1) he was half-upset but watched the whole fim
(2) he walked out of the film at the half-way mark
???
>jap is a backstabbing c**t, even to his own family
Goro wrecked the studio intentionally and now Hayao can die knowing once he does its all Gorover. No better revenge than the petty.
Came out of the film earlier today and decompressed with my mate during the trip home. Boy and the Heron should be renamed “And then”. It feels like an early draft, but the wanker writer doesn't want to refine ideas. A strong first half that you’re able to follow, but all setup and no payoff. Spoilers. >Mahito's mum dies in fire during the war, cool. >Plagued by flashbacks of his mother burning "Mahito save me" >Past mum (Himi) has fire powers. why? Just cause, never gets brought up again. >Buddies up with mum from most of the film but only gets a single line at the climax of the film. >”I’ll be proud to be your mum, so watch me die son whilst I give you ptsd” >Aunt /NuMum goes to the tower, just cause. Abuses Mahito saying she hates him just cause. >Heron doesn't really play a major role. Boy buddies up with an old lady, then his dead mum >Heron always lies and seems like an antagonist >Buddies up with Boy after going into Human form for last 20mins(animators can't be fricked to follow through with animating a heron for a whole film.) >WarraWarra plot point of where babies come never mentioned again (literally this films ewoks) >Cool merchants that buy the fish not mentioned again. >Ominous origins of creatures in the world which is cool, but did the granduncle bring them, or another force? (pelicans wanting to eat warrawarras due to no fish in these dead seas) >The idea of the Boy being Dante, Heron Virgin and Himi Beatrice seemed an amazing one towards the start of the film, but the idea is quickly thrown out. >The final choice of Mahito to return home and not be a tower slave was made irrelevant due to the king. >The film has no closure of Himi being his mother only at the final scene when they’re at the world/time doors
It’s fine to have an esoteric world that you don’t explain, but when the audience doesn’t get any rewards for paying attention, then what do we have after the film? I want to love this film but the last half is nothing.
>should be renamed “And then”. It feels like an early draft, but the wanker writer doesn't want to refine ideas. A strong first half that you’re able to follow, but all setup and no payoff >It’s fine to have an esoteric world that you don’t explain, but when the audience doesn’t get any rewards for paying attention, then what do we have after the film? I want to love this film but the last half is nothing.
You literally just described Spirited Away
>Kiki's Delivery Service >Goes to a city for a year to learn to be a witch >Learns absolutely nothing witch related >Spends her time delivering packages and flying which is not witch related and she can already do >Her big trial to overcome is learning to fly, which she can already do at the beginning of the film
I was in Yufuin, Japan a week ago and they had an entire village which was 80% dedicated to Studio Ghibli merchandise
I forgive depressed Jap animator and director for every single thing except sameface. It bothers the hell outta me. the stories are meant to be lighthearted and easy to digest by design so handwaving and saying "it's magic I don't gotta explain shit" works for me because every other piece is in place visually and easy to accept in the context of the world, like it's bringing you in to the mystery as if the audience already knew such things were possible.
But everyone has the same fricking face. Even animals. Maybe it's scaled up, maybe they've got glasses or goggles, but the only thing that gives them visual character is hair and outfit, enormous fricking nose, or some sort of mole. Everyone looks very soft. There's nobody with pinched features, intense features, dumb idiot features, etc. Granted the way expression is subtley conveyed is great, but the style is also hamstringing itself by being too comfortable. Thing is after so long there's probably no way to elegantly break from that artistic pattern that is both iconic and sells without legions seething about "why was this done"
I can respect it being somebody’s favorite. It has a lot of qualities that I admire. I just get tired of it getting jerked off as the best one. Very good movie all things considered. Great ost of course, fun characters. I feel like the story wraps up the most quickly out of all of the ghibli movies that rush the ending.
It's not my personal favorite, but i find it hard to argue that it's not his best. It's one of the best animated movies of all time and calling it overrated is a disgrace, it really is just that good of a movie.
Lacks planes. Miyazaki shines the most when he lets his passion for aircraft loose. Nausicaa, Porco Rosso, Laputa and the Wind Rises are his best works for that reason.
Heron bros, it was the first time in my life that I was completely alone in a theater.
It was subbed, but it surprised me. On a wednesday afternoon.
The movie is fun but not for everyone.
Spirited Away
That one. It was all downhill after that.
It's one of his weakest.
Either that or Ponyo. My two favorite childhood kinos.
This at least because it's the only one I watched as a kid
beat me to it to make everybody seethe
Porco Rosso
It really is.
>Sexist chain-smoking WWI pilot with PTSD spends his days as a bounty hunter for hire off the coast of Italy thwarting seaplane pirates during the rise of fascism in Europe, privately longing for his childhood love
>Gets pulled out of his cozy routine when the local pirate gangs pool their resources to hire an American Pilot to take him down a notch, forcing him to reconcile with his attitude toward women if he's to fly again
which would be great by itself, but also
>the main character is a pig, it is never explained or addressed, he is the only character in the entire film that is an animal, and every 5 minutes he looks at the camera and makes a pig-related pun
Absolute kino and Studio Ghibli's best work.
Fun Fact: The town in that painting was the site of some of the most savage fighting of the Yugoslav Wars, it was also where Game of Thrones was filmed
>unironically posting glowie memes
Yes
No
>Sexist
That's is making a lot assumption, it's literally one line,
>"I don't want you to fix my plane, because you are a girl"
And after that he just moves past it, and lets her do it anyway, and nothing like that is ever brought again.
Brainlet
He grows as a person, and realizes he was wrong, later. Older stories used to be able to have good characters have negative flaws that they can overcome. I'm not sure why that changed. Maybe they're worried the twitter crowd will scream for a day, until distracted again.
The pig thing is a metaphor for low self-esteem. Which makes the movie even more kino.
You're praising the sexism...?
Terrible bait, try harder
of which there's none either
On looking back I use to like Nausica the most as a kid but as an Adult i gravitate towards porco rosso, it's just such a comfy film that also hits that rarity where the protagonist is the best part of the film, I really hope more timeless films are made in the future but I doubt they will do it again in my lifetime at this point.
This 1000%. Genuinely one of the greatest movies ever made period. Utterly unique visually and beautiful, non-standard plot without becoming incomprehensible gibberish. Perfectly paced, perfect cinematography, perfect characters, perfect music. Far and away the most soulful of Ghibli movies by far, you can tell the entire creative team from top to bottom was pouring their very souls into it.
Pre-HMC Ghibli was pretty magical all around by Miyazaki fricking nailed it with Rosso. If there is a heavy, it's a sheltered cove in the Adriatic on a sunny summer day.
Porco Rosso was prime antifa-kino
>Porco Rosso was prime antifa-kino
Ironic
You mean antifascist propaganda. And figures, it was written by a troony.
Mononoke or Kiki's Delivery Service.
It's definitely heartfelt, but only in a really masturbatory way. I've described it before as Miyazaki jerking off on film. Saw it once, don't need to see it ever again.
>I've described it before as Miyazaki jerking off on film.
that's the wind rises
Ain't seen that yet but I believe it.
My issue with poco rosso is the inherent contradiction of how war should be portrayed. Most of the time war and everything associated with it, is represented as the worst thing imaginable. We see the trauma that it left on him and how he mostly tends to avoid conflict. Yet later on we get this scene where a bunch of kids are playing around the pirates weaponry. It humorizes or cutsifies the topic of war. Undermining the whole message of the terrors of war and its consequences.
I loved this movie except the voice acting for the english version at least sucked, literally would have characters in 2 different planes talking to each other in low mumbles, not even a remote effort to try and "shout" or otherwise match your tone to what's happening on screen. I was really annoyed by this, it felt like the lines tommy vercetti mumbles in vice city, but somehow got past editors and became movie dialogue. Other than that I loved it.
Trash
I feel like every single Miyazaki movie is 8/10 or 9/10
>I feel like every single Miyazaki movie is 8/10 or 9/10
I feel like every Miyazaki movie has the same issue
>starts slow takes it's time to introduce you to setpieces
>shows you unnecessary SoL things
>suddenly rushes to the ending
>makes some shit up
>complete utter nonesense
>ending
Spirited away is like the biggest culprit of this
>my parents are pigs
>need to work
>suddenly I frick off
>ah yes haku you are the dragon from the river I drowned once and no one ever knew
>everything is suddenly good
>oh shit the parents
>eh yes they are not the ones you show me, because I just know (haku told me off screen)
>done
That's why Porco Rosso works so well, the first 15 minutes are it's own short film, then it jumps into the actual movie
All this. Story writing is not Miyazaki's strong point.
Yeah tbh the world building is always engrossing but then the film ends and you're like "wait is that it?". They definitely struggle to wrap up the endings but for me that's not even much of an issue. I think Howl's is really good too. Why does everyone hate it?
This is the exact same for me.
My issue with Howl (and Nausicaä) is the lack of focus. I feel like those films try to do so much when it comes to the worldbuilding that the rules of the world get very muddled, and it loses your interest in the story and characters just trying to figure out what's going on. I think Mononoke and Spirited Away are much better examples of efficiently explaining their fantasy worlds and also having an engrossing story.
I hate Howls because its a terrible adaption of the books. Any other director would of got shit on for such a mess (See Goro).
Miyazaki just uses concepts from the source and puts his self indulgence into it. Boy and Heron suffers the same. Kiki again isn't accurate to its source but his ego was smaller back then and made something with soul.
Howl would have been infinitely better if it had ended like the books
Th-there's a book ?
I was a DWJ kid and loved the movie because while it fricked off the plot of the book, it nailed the vibe of DWJ's writing, the mix of old-world Tolkien/C.S. Lewis fantasy (as opposed to 70s-80s fantasy lit) combined with very modern sardonic wit - Billy Crystal as Calcifer is a casting masterstroke. Could it be better? Sure? But given how Hollywood treated Mortal Engines I think we DWJ fans got off lightly.
Porco was the first Ghibli film I ever saw, late night on SBS here in Australia around 99 or 2000. I was 14 when Spirited Away released in the West and I got absorbed in everything Ghibli. When the DVD releases trickled in I bought them all. I thought Miyazaki was the greatest and Grave of the Fireflies sucked balls.
These days I realise that while Miyazaki is one of the finest animators in history, he's a poor director and an abhorrent writer. The clearest example of this is his screenplay for Whisper of the Heart. It has all the problems with Miyazaki's style of writing. Takahata was a vastly superior filmmaker in everyway.
Whisper of the Heart is literally Ghibli's best movie.
It isn't, although I do like it a whole lot. It's the same thing with Spirited or Howl's or even Ponyo, the films are good despite Miyazaki's writing, not because of it.
>the films are good despite Miyazaki's writing, not because of it.
Maybe but Kondo was the best Ghibli director.
I'd say that's Takahata by a mile but he was a better director than Miyazaki and showed so much promise. I've no doubt Ghibli wouldn't be so reliant on Miyazaki if that man hadn't died so early. What a world to imagine...
go back to your writing subreddit
Boy and heron was a 5 at best. Incoherent self-indulgent forgettable garbage
Yep its shit. Self indulgent shit by a self absorbed hack.
My sister ate it up
>IT HAS SO MANY LAYERS
>IT WAS TOO DEEP FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND IN ONE VIEWING
>I BOUGHT ANOTHER TICKET TO SEE IT AGAIN NEXT WEEK
Oh and I forgot
>I READ A BUNCH OF POSTS ONLINE AND WATCHED SOME VIDEOS EXPLAINING THE MOVIE AND IT MADE SO MUCH MORE SENSE AFTER
It was weird so I liked it.
Tennet was weird but I hated it, like most Nolans.
Howls castle. Mononoke close second
whisper of the heart is the best ghibli film
Not Miyazaki though
He wrote the script tho
You misspelled Only Yesterday senpai
Based
Good
Mononoke and Howl's castle
That one sucked ass
Spirited Away.
>elevates your children's cartoon into kino
>elevates your kino into pure cinema
My favorite is Kiki. In terms of animation and appeal, I think Mononoke is the overall best.
>mfw that scene in Spirited Away
His work with Kitano is better.
As I get older I find Joe Hisaishi stuff makes me so melancholic I can't stand it. I'm not a philosophical man and I don't have the internal language to deal with it.
Let's die together.
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There's a song called The Great Collapse from The Boy and The Heron and it makes me feel nostalgia without even seeing the film yet
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For me it's Princess Mononoke. Castle in the Sky is a close second and has a better balance of intrigue and levity, but compared to his later works you can really see the leaps in both technical skill and budget involved.
Howl's is my "guilty pleasure" pick. I'm fully aware it has issues with it's plotting and such, but I still enjoy the ride.
I don't care if Goro made it
I just watched NHK's new promo of him. A checkup of how he has been doing since Takahata died.
The program was well made and Studio Ghibili gave it permission to use scenes from past movies.
My impression is that the studio was desperate and beating the dead horse.
Link?
My top 3 are
1. Porco Rosso
2. Princess Mononoke
3. Castle in the Sky
Exact same for me
Any pre-Ghibli enjoyers up?
Nausicaa sucks.
Dilate.
>he hasn't read the manga
It's pretty disappointing if you know the manga.
The production value was incredible for the time.
He just liked planes very much. That's why he shared that dream with that Italian dude.
why do the other lupin movies suck? i watched secret of momo, fuma conspiracy they're all dogshit only castle of cagliostro is kino
The answer to your question is the formula, however Pursuit of Harimaos Treasure is the best one imo. The villain is a nazi troony.
Miyazaki's interpretation of Lupin is the most likable version. Other directors make him more of a James Bond butthole.
You have to accept that it's different staff in most versions (though Miyazaki and Otsuka were part of S1).
Cagliostro Lupin is the only lighthearted version where everyone is a rogue and not overtly evil or scummy, just gentleman crooks. The rest of the franchise is typical Jap shit, with things like Fujiko being a drug using prostitute/thief whose basic strategy for every job she takes is go just NTR herself to ugly bastards instead of using her well honed catwoman-esque thief skills to just break in and take their shit (which Lupin does) because it's the writer inserting his cuckfetish into it. Miyazaki is an actual honorary aryan without mental health issues or typical bug thinking so he elevated the source material into something more meaningful.
fuma conspiracy was better, short and sweet. Castle dragged. Best one is Dead or Alive though.
His best work. Conan is a close second.
Based.
Jap furshit is great
That's not a spoiler.
I thought ponyo was the weakest miyazaki film until I saw this
Ponyo is fine, it's explicitly his most "kiddy" movie but it's very fun and charming.
Frick you I liked it
Ponyo is great
>Ponyo is great
Lu is better.
No. Lu says nothing interesting.
Neither do you o/
the one with the bus cat
Nausicaa
All of them. He hasn't made a single bad movie. I can't even choose a favorite.
>inb4 someone replies with anything
It's kino.
Mononoke
Spirited Away is ridiculously overrated
Dances with Wolves
"film"
Those are called cartoons, anon
Monokoe was the first one I watched and definitely my favorite fallowed by Castle in the sky and KiKi
Porco Rosso
>the dream scene with the countless planes in the sky
>his buddy flies to join them
>but he cannot come with him
It's such a good scene, so good that Miyazaki decided to reference it in his last two films
mononoke
If Miyazaki then Porco was his last decent and coherent film. The shit that he followed were either preachy self indulgent shit or made up as he went along. Howls is just as bad as an adaption as Earthsea yet gets a pass by homosexuals who think anything that Miyazaki shits out is automatically a masterpiece.
Takahata made Kaguya which was the last great Ghibli movie.
A scene so good.... that Miyazaki stole it from the autobiography of children's book author Roald Dahl. If you ever see anything made by a Japanese that seems genuinely kino, it's because it was stolen from someone else
This. Japanese media take advantage of the fact that 90% of Westerners know little to nothing about their "old" media, and shamelessly steal from them.
>Kaguya
Princess Kaguya made me weep bitterly.
Like I was angry at God.
>Earthsea is a bad adaptation
This is a good thing considering Earthsea is like a modern netflix adaptation but written in the 60s.
Author literally made a european based fantasy setting but where white people are backwards savages and an ambiguous brown people make up the dominating civilized ethnic group in the setting.
It has elements that subtlety bash Christianity by having it so that reincarnation was the primary afterlife of the setting before mages attempted to create a place similar to heaven to immortalize their souls called the dry lands, which turned on them and ruined the afterlife for everybody because the DryLands is more like Hades.
I vaguely recall the white "Kargs" being islam tier and the protagonist one (that was probably an insert) who shows up as the "Sparrowhawk's Girl" in the movie went through some shit as the servant shit existence as some dark gods servant because she was a woman.
>Author literally made a european based fantasy setting but where white people are backwards savages and an ambiguous brown people make up the dominating civilized ethnic group in the setting.
So VIII-XV centiury mideterranian basically.
laputa castle in the sky is Kino
the cat returns is Kino
Laputa is also my favorite movie from his. The characters, the pacing, the high energy, and the music is all so great.
Castle in the Sky #1
I adore Caste in the Sky. The robot is one of the most aesthetically pleasing designs ever.
The entire film is wonderful from start to finish but that scene where they get to Laputa and walk around discovering with the robot is breath-taking in both imagery and design.
Poppy Hill
I've had ENOUGH of magical bullshit.
Now watch Yamadas.
I'm ashamed to say I shied away from Yamadas and most of Takahata's for too long. That film is hilarious and actually some of the best animation the studio has done. Pom Poko was even better, those poor little frickers.
you posted it
Definitive ranking of Hayao Miyazaki directed films.
12) Howl's Moving Castle
11) Ponyo
10) The Wind Rises
9) The Boy and the Heron
8) Porco Rosso
7) Laputa
6) Kiki's Delivery Service
5) Spirited Away
4) The Castle of Cagliostro
3) Mononoke Hime
2) Tonari no Totoro
1) Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
Nah
Is this OC? On my Cinemaphile?
>pregnant anne frank gang
men of supreme culture
>Is this OC? On my Cinemaphile?
Yes
I'd push Laputa and Porco Rosso up a little but otherwise can't disagree with you, good list.
>The Boy And The Heron that low
You're allowed to like something new, I won't accuse you of recency bias
It's only that low based on the quality of the other films. It's a very very good movie.
why is howls moving castle so fricking frontloaded plot wise movie ended really quickly and messy
Yeah. That caught me off guard when I watched it. Felt like it was missing like 20-ish minutes at the end. It just ends abruptly
For me it's Kiki Delivery Service. The whole thing is just so comfy and pleasant. The environment itself is just a hyper idealized thing that it truly makes you want to live in it's world. Kiki's journey is certainly not that thrilling but it truly feels so adventurous without having too much fantasy stuff in the way.
Yup. One of the few films I'd dare say is truly "perfect".
KIKI NO!
Holy shit dude frick off.
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
all the way
NAUSICAA CHADS RISE UP
UNSPEAKABLY KINO
Mononoke >>> Nausicaa > Totoro > Cagliostro > Castle in the Sky > Kiki > Spirited Away > Howl > Ponyo > Porco Rosso >>> Wind Rises
Haven't watched the new movie yet
Not Miyazaki but Grave of the Fireflies is way better than most of those
Takahata's work is almost unfair to compare the rest of Ghibli to. Dude basically outclassed everyone in the industry.
Not just Ghibli or Miyazaki, Princess Mononoke is one of the best movies of all time, period.
My mom took me out of class to see this film at McClurg Court in Chicago together with my grandmother and I will never forget it,
Nausicaa is one of his worst, opinion completely discarded
>filtered by The Wind Rises
>jerks off the garbage that is Grave of the Fireflies
figures
I watched Grave of the Fireflies with a Korean girl I was dating and she told me that those Japanese kid deserved everything that happened to them.
You posted it. My favorite is Princess Mononoke. I didn't really like The Boy and the Heron, thought its message was vague and experientially it didn't make me feel much.
Princess Mononoke has multiple Ghibli's strengths that many of their films only show one side of. Princess M combines many of these for an original and satisfying film - story set sometime in the history in Japan, a fantasy/spirit/magic world with its own rules and characters, and meaningful themes that are deeply personal but also have impact on the world. It's also Miyazaki and Ghibli's most graphic and mature movie.
I feel like The Boy and the Heron was very similar to Spirited Away but also tried to be epic like Princess M or Nausicaa. Got lost somewhere in the middle.
I keep seeing Wind Rises as one of the worst rated in these threads
I really liked it
I rate The Wind Rises low but The Wind Rises is not a bad film.
Be confident in your opinion.
>Be confident in your opinion.
thanks anon
I really liked it too... but for me whimsical fantasy Miyazaki > autobiographical Miyazaki
It filters millions
Princess Mononoke. I personally rank it as my 2nd favorite animated movie ever.
What's your 1st?
Name Miyazaki's greatest fetish
A. Aircraft
B. Little girls
C. Slime
It has to be B
D. Food scenes (there were so many in Heron it actually became distracting.
Mononoke is his best movie and it has no planes/flying and no little girls and it's the slimiest of them all.
Coincidence?
Wasn't Ashitaka's "younger sister" his fiance in the original Japanese cut?
she's in the movie for 20 seconds and not unlike the wolf princess she wasn't much of a e-girl
Blue and green
Why do you say slime? I've never heard this one before.
nta but at the top of my head in mononoke there's both boars turning into slime demons plus all the times ashitaka's arm acts up
then once they shoot the deer god it turns into balls of black sludge and it transforms into a giant slimy monster
in spirited away the when noface goes crazy and starts eating people he looks pretty slimy not to mention the sludge monster(I think they call it a stink spirit) that visits the bathhouse and turns out to be a polluted river
in howls moving castle when he mistakenly dies his hair black throws a tantrum and starts oozing green slime and sophie has to carry him to the shower. the henchman of the wicked witch are also made of slime and she also melts
in ponyo the waves are animated like thick goo
KINO
Miyazaki tends to use slime as a medium to express supernatural forces probably because it's easier to animate and more distinct than abstract energy effects used to represent supernatural powers in other anime.
In Princess Mononoke the demonic pig gods are infested with slime like eels that represent their corruption. Noface gets really gooey in his greed form in Spirited Away.
The Witch of the Waste creates slime men servants with her magic and Howl emits green slime from his body during his temper tantrum in Howl's.
Ponyo's father creates slime like familiars to hunt down his daughter in Ponyo.
Even Goro utilizes slime in Earthsea with Cob's supernatural transformations.
characters blinking with their whole face
grannies
It's B
t.Mamoru Oshii
Nausicaa is so obviously the best this thread is embarrassing us /television and film/
Nausicaa is a close second for me after Princess M. I agree it might be a better film, I just saw Princess M first and have always loved it.
Fair enough. Now I want to watch Mononoke again tonight 🙂
I prefer Nausicaa's setting but as far as storytelling Mononoke gets a lot more things right and it has a more epic quality
Nausicaa's manga also makes the move look way worse.
>Nausicaa's manga also makes the move look way worse.
I felt the opposite. The movie is at least fairly focused while the manga is able to meander and wank Nausicaa even harder.
Nausicaa or Princess Mononoke
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Mononoke, Nausicaa, Castle in the Sky, and Spirited Away. A Month of Miyazaki really nailed the top films.
People saying Kiki's is the best are so wrong. What a boring film compared to the rest.
replace Spirited Away with Totoro
even it's non-plot is more coherent than Spirited Away meandering mess
Kiki is cute and innocent and fun. I get why so many rank it so highly.
>Castle in the Sky
>top film
???????
Pom Poko is the only Ghibli movie with an ending that fully satisfied me even if the movie as a whole isn't that great
oppenheimer but better
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>oppenheimer but better
Doubt
Unironically Miyazaki has the more nuanced take never overdramatically suggesting what Jiro is doing is wrong and war is bad. The whole movie Oppenheimer is 'wrong' and war is bad and shame on all of you.
I don't doubt it. I never watched Oppenheimer, but I've hated everything Nolan made after Dark Knight so far. Wind Rises is a quality film because it deals with a personal conflict and the madness of reality without being camp or too silly. Granted, it's an exaggeration to call it a biopic, but it still works as a film.
Nah Oppenheimer does the thematics better, in The Wind Rises the moral quandary is more like a motif that doesn't go anywhere
Princess Mononoke is my favorite
Not a Miyazaki movie but when Marnie was there is probably one of the most underrated movies I’ve ever seen. One of my favorite movie tbh.
the wind rises, hands down.
I liked the wind rises
Lupin The Third
I like Princess Mononoke. Currently working on a painting to give my friend for Christmas (who probably isn’t going to get me anything… again)
are you a girl?
…there are no girls on the internet
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I like your art anon. you should keep it for yourself
Thanks anon. Off topic but I did this for them last year and they still haven’t hung it up
I dont know what compels you to do it again then
That's a nice Yakul
Yakul shoulda died. His purpose in the story was served and it would have been another reason to boost ashitaka's rage and send his arm into a frenzy
the fact that neither eboshi, ashitaka, mononoke or jiko bo kinda of weakened the ending to me
>the fact that neither eboshi, ashitaka, mononoke or jiko bo DIED kinda of weakened the ending to me*
kinda missed an important word for this sentence to make sense
I was glad Lady Eboshi survived, there are too few benevolent leaders in this world who care for their people.
Mononoke. It's basically a more refined version of Nausicaa.
With less soul.
His best movie?
Dracula.
Princess Mononoke, but I'm biased becuauss it was my first ghibli film and i saw it when i was like 7
Even my hardass normie dad who I watched it with loved it
I really like the Yamadas a lot. The comedy style is very cynical and real, but it still maintains a lot of heart and meaning. I don't understand why it's not held in higher a esteem, I think it must've had a raw deal from people who expect all Ghibli to be "magical" or whatever. I'm English and it reminded me of a lot of nostalgic comedies. What do you think of it?
On my to watch now.
One of my favorite movies. Hilarious and so pure that it tears me up.
first watched it with a family, including a 5-year-old, and 8-year-old, and a 9-year-old.
everyone loved it, laughing our asses off, too.
very well done
Mononoke and later animation is too smooth.
You already posted it, so I'll post his second best.
>mogs everything Miyazaki has done with just one movie in your path
Why did it take so long to make anyway?
>that ending
Pom Poko did it better
This was boring, worst one I've seen.
Based. Great movie with a great message.
>great message
lmfao miyazaki slop enjoyers think there was anything of value in that. it makes so much sense why you found Kaguya boring. normally i'd say watch more than 2k movies to get it but you seem extra dense so you'll probably need 4k.
Kaguya was literally a generic disney-tier story until the end. The Wind Rises was Nietzschean
This movie made me physically ill.
How did Takahata make it look so effortless?
Every one of his films is soul shredding in a different way.
Kaguya will never be same to me after i watched old anime series with same story but girl accends and becomes prostitute for her previous lives' sins. Ascending to heaven is not enough. Religion b***hes.
Onthe bright side the boy that loved her got together with his tomboy girlfriend. But god of fire kindapped her to rape. Paganism is awesome.
No. It's bad.
Why did he stop doing epics in favor of the little whimsical wonderland shit? It's not like Mononoke was poorly received
The Boy and the Heron will be considered his greatest before this decade's over with. It's his most densely symbolic and abstract. Everybody's either too afraid to say it's his best because they don't want to be too hasty or they just haven't watched it enough times to realize how brilliant it is yet, but it's his magnum opus, swan song, and autobiography.
>swan song
until he makes another one. He's been making his "swan song" since wind rises and it comes off as disingenuous when you say goodbye through your art but never actually say goodbye
>since wind rises
He "retired" after Mononoke. Then he saw some dicky and was inspired to make Spirited Away. Then he "retired" again after Ponyo but unretired 5 minutes later and announced he was working on his "final" film which became The Wind Rises.
Then he "retired" again and for about 5 years it seemed legit and then he came back. Then all through production of HDYL? he claimed this would be his final film and the second it releases he announces he's working on something else.
This man is incapable of retiring. He loves his work and his craft more than his family, especially Goro, who is not a man. He will keep making films until he either dies or is literally to sick or blind to do it. This is his curse.
>densely symbolic and abstract
this is not a good thing
The Wind Rises is his best but it takes having some world experience and heartbreak to realize this
The Wind Rises is boring as shit, it's essentially the background war plot from Howl's Moving Castle stripped from everything else surrounding it, Miyazaki at his preachiest and least imaginative.
you were filtered and should watch it again
No, I got the message, the guy's dream got tangled with the war effort and he lost vision of it until his wife died and her dying breath lifted his plane.
It's really boring and derivative, even the sick wife element is copied from Howl's random magical ailment that is turning him into a beast.
Based. Princess Mononoke was my favorite when i was younger and i still love it to death, but now i'm in my late 20's and the wind rises hits me harder than any other ghibli. His most underrated by far.
is heron worth watching
It's Spirited Away with a male protagonist more action set pieces and less weeb imagery.
It's tennet : miyazaki. I liked it.
Howl's Moving Castle, very underrated, a movie with actual story and characters unlike Spirited Away which is just a concept with no soul or identity, The Boy and the Heron is essentially the same exact blueprint but done a million times better.
Boy and the Heron felt like a dream where you randomly appear in a location without knowing how you got there. The references to other ghibli movies added to that dream like feeling even more like your mind is flashing with past memories out of context like a brief flash of deja vu. Really unique film.
I don't think the wind rises is bad but it's about the guy who actually existed, and it wasn't miyazaki's idea to make it a movie and miyazaki is an airplane otaku so it feels pretty different
mononononoke
>Kiki's Delivery Service
Probably had the most impact in America. I remember watching it in school even at a time when anime wasn't well-known.
>Spirited Away
Probably the most successful at the box office in the States.
>Princess Mononoke
A little less accessible and also preachy so it can't be number 1
>Howl's Flying Castle
I enjoyed it but it's based on some english novel if I'm not mistaken. Also somewhat preachy. I'm not sure if it's better than PM but it's not worse.
>Other shit
I've never seen them except for a few minutes of the Ponyo movie. It didn't hook me at the time. None of these had a cultural impact in the USA, which is what really matters.
Miyazaki is an immature, cynical man in any case.
>None of these had a cultural impact in the USA, which is what really matters.
Lol what.
>Princess Mononoke
>How's Moving Castle
>Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
All are fine answers and any other answers are wrong. They have the best plots, settings, character designs, and music by far.
Porco Rosso is also just a fun movie, so I wouldn't give anyone a hard time if they told me that was their favorite.
Princess Mononoke changed my life.
I've since learned to see with eyes unclouded by hate.
Most of the time at least.
This studio really does not know how to do 3rd acts. All(most) of their endings leave A LOT to be desired.
Despite what everyone says they're minimal substance and all style.
>This studio
You mean Miyazaki. This is not a problem in Takahata's films. Not one of them. Miyazaki is good at animating dicky and so everyone gets distracted from the fact that almost all of his films fall apart in the last 20 minutes. Castle in the Sky and Porco Rosso are exceptions to this.
There's a part of me that wishes Miyazaki wasn't so bitter despite it being too late.
I've watched
>Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
>Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
>Princess Mononoke
>Spirited Away
and remember none of them.
I prefer live action. I find animation inherently soulless and dull.
None of them, it's all ghiblislop.
>More shit bait
You have to try harder than this, absolutely pathetic. Amateur hour.
I like Totoro personally but I'd say PM and SA are his best.
Ghibli's Stardew Valley. y/n?
>According to Concerned Ape, there are some cool opportunities within that medium for Stardew Valley, but he feels like it's risky giving characters voice acting and having them move around on their own.
>Barone also felt that his time could be better spent just developing more games. He would only agree if particular and esteemed studios came knocking on his door to create such projects. "If Studio Ghibli approached me, I would probably say okay, let's do it," he chuckled. "If David Lynch approached me and wanted to make a Stardew Valley movie, I would say go ahead, just do it."
Ape is such a tist. Abby is best girl but I'd settle for penny.
kiki for miyazaki
ocean waves for ghibli
Two days ago, a documentary called "2399 days with Hayao Miyazaki & Studio Ghibli" was broadcast in Japan, which surprised many viewers.
It's a shame that non-Japanese people couldn't watch this.
I won't give any spoilers, but I can tell you one thing.
This guy is really crazy.
No replay on nhk?
>attends the premiere of his son's movie
>leaves half way pissed because of how bad the movie is and claiming his son is not yet a man
>feels obligated to leave him a letter saying it was a decent movie pissed because he doesn't really mean it
>his son says on interviews how the letter left him in tears happy to finally get his father's approval
>all the footage of miyazaki's tantrum exposing his dishonesty exists so his son has definitely seen how he really felt
this man is a fricking monster
Welcome to Japan
half way pissed because of how bad the movie is and claiming his son is not yet a man
OR
half way, pissed because of how bad the movie is and claiming his son is not yet a man
Which do you mean?
Do you mean
(1) he was half-upset but watched the whole fim
(2) he walked out of the film at the half-way mark
???
(2)
forgive the esl-ness
thanks for clarifying.
brutal guy, evidently
>jap is a backstabbing c**t, even to his own family
Goro wrecked the studio intentionally and now Hayao can die knowing once he does its all Gorover. No better revenge than the petty.
I really liked the Ironworks town, was really comfy.
Benevolent leader, happy people and a flourishing business; what's not to like?
They could have easily made the conflict one sided with humans are le bad nature is le good but they did a great job maintaining a greyer morality
The whole plot of killing the deer god was dumb I thought.
The wolf mother really showed her wisdom throughout the film.
All women should dress like that
imagine the chud meltdown if this character was made today
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FEMINISM HAS FINALLY POZZED JAPAN SOCIETY IS COLLAPSING
She was cool, frick off. Stop trying to create division.
Imagine a Ghibli film set during the American Revolution, French Revolution, Napoleonic Wars, Texas Revolution, Crimean War, or American Civil War
Pure line infantry kino
Something antiquated like the Punic Wars would be even better.
>Already taken, pleb.
All Miyazaki's movies have feminist themes in them. You have never noticed how many powerful women they have?
I wish there were more youtube reactions to princess mononoke
For my jap bros https://www.nhk.jp/p/professional/ts/8X88ZVMGV5/episode/te/ZV7L4LN1YZ/
My Neighbour Totoro is the comfiest film ever.
it's a snoozefest where nothing happens
You don't get it.
What's the most underrated Ghibli song? I'd ask the most overrated but we all know it's that fricking waltz from howls moving castle
here's my underrated pick
For me it's the women of the forge singing while working in mononoke
Help keeps the rhythm, Japanese rice farmers do the same to beat the monotony.
The one that's the little girl coming of age story where she cries midway through the movie while eating. I forget the title.
For me it's Heidi
>best movie is the one with a male protagonist
coincidence?
Came out of the film earlier today and decompressed with my mate during the trip home. Boy and the Heron should be renamed “And then”. It feels like an early draft, but the wanker writer doesn't want to refine ideas. A strong first half that you’re able to follow, but all setup and no payoff. Spoilers.
>Mahito's mum dies in fire during the war, cool.
>Plagued by flashbacks of his mother burning "Mahito save me"
>Past mum (Himi) has fire powers. why? Just cause, never gets brought up again.
>Buddies up with mum from most of the film but only gets a single line at the climax of the film.
>”I’ll be proud to be your mum, so watch me die son whilst I give you ptsd”
>Aunt /NuMum goes to the tower, just cause. Abuses Mahito saying she hates him just cause.
>Heron doesn't really play a major role. Boy buddies up with an old lady, then his dead mum
>Heron always lies and seems like an antagonist
>Buddies up with Boy after going into Human form for last 20mins(animators can't be fricked to follow through with animating a heron for a whole film.)
>WarraWarra plot point of where babies come never mentioned again (literally this films ewoks)
>Cool merchants that buy the fish not mentioned again.
>Ominous origins of creatures in the world which is cool, but did the granduncle bring them, or another force? (pelicans wanting to eat warrawarras due to no fish in these dead seas)
>The idea of the Boy being Dante, Heron Virgin and Himi Beatrice seemed an amazing one towards the start of the film, but the idea is quickly thrown out.
>The final choice of Mahito to return home and not be a tower slave was made irrelevant due to the king.
>The film has no closure of Himi being his mother only at the final scene when they’re at the world/time doors
It’s fine to have an esoteric world that you don’t explain, but when the audience doesn’t get any rewards for paying attention, then what do we have after the film? I want to love this film but the last half is nothing.
>should be renamed “And then”. It feels like an early draft, but the wanker writer doesn't want to refine ideas. A strong first half that you’re able to follow, but all setup and no payoff
>It’s fine to have an esoteric world that you don’t explain, but when the audience doesn’t get any rewards for paying attention, then what do we have after the film? I want to love this film but the last half is nothing.
You literally just described Spirited Away
"It has a shit epilogue, they obviously didn't know how to end it" summarises the majority of Japanese media. They're really bad at them.
>Kiki's Delivery Service
>Goes to a city for a year to learn to be a witch
>Learns absolutely nothing witch related
>Spends her time delivering packages and flying which is not witch related and she can already do
>Her big trial to overcome is learning to fly, which she can already do at the beginning of the film
I was in Yufuin, Japan a week ago and they had an entire village which was 80% dedicated to Studio Ghibli merchandise
>Kiki's Delivery Service
>Goes to New Mexico for a year to learn to be a witch
>ends up cooking meth for Walter White instead of cooking potions
I forgive depressed Jap animator and director for every single thing except sameface. It bothers the hell outta me. the stories are meant to be lighthearted and easy to digest by design so handwaving and saying "it's magic I don't gotta explain shit" works for me because every other piece is in place visually and easy to accept in the context of the world, like it's bringing you in to the mystery as if the audience already knew such things were possible.
But everyone has the same fricking face. Even animals. Maybe it's scaled up, maybe they've got glasses or goggles, but the only thing that gives them visual character is hair and outfit, enormous fricking nose, or some sort of mole. Everyone looks very soft. There's nobody with pinched features, intense features, dumb idiot features, etc. Granted the way expression is subtley conveyed is great, but the style is also hamstringing itself by being too comfortable. Thing is after so long there's probably no way to elegantly break from that artistic pattern that is both iconic and sells without legions seething about "why was this done"
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Mononoke?
I like Nausicaa, love the flying animation scenes, then Porco then spirited.
Castle in the Sky for me
I don't care how overrated people say spirited away is it's my favorite by far although I like them all, especially kiki.
I can respect it being somebody’s favorite. It has a lot of qualities that I admire. I just get tired of it getting jerked off as the best one. Very good movie all things considered. Great ost of course, fun characters. I feel like the story wraps up the most quickly out of all of the ghibli movies that rush the ending.
It's not my personal favorite, but i find it hard to argue that it's not his best. It's one of the best animated movies of all time and calling it overrated is a disgrace, it really is just that good of a movie.
>movie gets released in America
>start hearing the most ridiculous complaints about the movie
every time
The wind rises obviously and if you disagree you're a baby.
nausicaa
mononoke
kiki
totoro
cagliostro's castle
ponyo
spirited away
porco rosso
sherlock hound
Conan, what is best in life?
I have a soft spot for Mononoke and Nausicaa
This, if u have taste of course.
Princess Mononoke is shit.
if Princess Mononoke is shit, then why do American burgers copy the entire plot of this and make a 3D CGI cartoon called Avatar?
Lacks planes. Miyazaki shines the most when he lets his passion for aircraft loose. Nausicaa, Porco Rosso, Laputa and the Wind Rises are his best works for that reason.
I think my favorite is Castle in the Sky, it's just a perfect adventure film
Heron bros, it was the first time in my life that I was completely alone in a theater.
It was subbed, but it surprised me. On a wednesday afternoon.
The movie is fun but not for everyone.
>first time in my life that I was completely alone in a theater
How did you like the experience? I think it's happened to me like twice.
Sexo with Howl