>whose side are you on son >me love you long time >easy, you just dont lead em so much >you talk the talk, do you walk the walk? >we're jolly green giants >all fricking Black folk must fricking hang >mickey mouse MICKEY MOUSE
i always do the thing with my arms up like platoon. in the warehouse once my mate bumped the forklift into one of the posts and really fricked both the post and the forklift up and i drop to my knees and do this, for example
FMJ is the best Vietnam war movie that I have seen. I don't mean most realistic, it's just the highest quality Vietnam film and I've seen all the major ones, including Apocalypse Now which I think is incredibly hamfisted, somewhat schmaltzy and overrated. Most of the Vietnam war movies that were released were reflective of the pro/anti cold war propaganda of the time. It would be interesting to see more Vietnam movies made today by talented writers and directors who aren't just rehashing hamfisted beaten to death moral narratives and cliches.
Actually, now that I think about it, it would not be interesting. It would probably just be about racial narratives (white people bad for Vietnam, blacks were innocent and victims too), some LGBT narrative and sort of sprinkle on some anti-Russia nonsense. So, I guss in theory it would be nice to see some new Vietnam movies but I can't imagine modern propaganda twists would be any better than yesterdays.
i always do the thing with my arms up like platoon. in the warehouse once my mate bumped the forklift into one of the posts and really fricked both the post and the forklift up and i drop to my knees and do this, for example
Platoon is the most accurate if you want to know how shit really went down during a tour of duty in Vietnam. I've probably seen it more times than any other Vietnam war movie
My problem with platoon. It got cartoony at times. It would’ve been more interesting if you can’t tell who suppose to be a good guy or not.
Yeah Deer Hunter is infuriating because instead of getting more character development it feels like the director just wanted to putz around and shoot more endless scenes of weddings and hunting trips.
Of those three, FMJ by a landslide. Deer Hunter takes forever and Platoon doesn't hold a candle. It also tries to moralize more than FMJ, which also has a moral but delivers it better. I did like the ending parts of Platoon with the swastika flag and the trophy collecting but really I would have preferred a film that followed those soldiers around instead of the whiners we the audience were stuck with.
I agree, I fricking dropped Deer Hunter because it took so fricking long. I GET IT, THEYRE NAIVE MIDWESTERN DIPSHITS. ITS BEEN DONE. >30 mins of them setting up and planning the wedding >1 hour of them at the wedding and fricking dancing >okay now they're gonna go camping >long shot of the car driving to the camping site >oh, looks like they pulled over and are now making sandwiches
What a fricking dogshit movie, wasting my time. It's like I was fricking tricked into thinking it was a Vietnam movie and it turns out it was grandpa's old VHS tapes of him with his fishing buddies.
kek I remember renting this and some other movie in HS and planned to do a double feature. I finished the first movie and put in Deer Hunter around midnight. About an hour into that bullshit I finally checked the running time and fricking rage quit the movie. Never bothered watching the rest of it.
are zero attention span zoom zooms really this fricking impatient? please do yourselves a favor and don't watch seven samurai, the godfather I & II. you ADHD morons just won't get it
Nah go frick yourself. I watched Yojimbo no problem as well as the Dollar Trilogy. There's slow pacing and then there's fricking around and wasting my time.
There's about 7 minutes worth of character development in the entire first 2 hours of that fricking movie.
OOOO THEYRE ONLY POOR NAIVE HICKS WHO THINK VIETNAM IS ALL GLORY AND ACTION. how fricking unique.
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE DEEP CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OF THE GUY WANTING MUSTARD ON HIS TURKEY SANDWICH.
Kubrick understood pacing in his movie and understood people actually wanna see Vietnam in their Vietnam movie.
Kiss my ass you pretentious c**t.
>What's the best Vietnam film of all time?
the footage of Jane Fonda getting gangbanged in the jungle by dirty communist vietcong as a form of "protest"
>be amerifats >bomb innocent country >kill millions of civilians >leave >many years later make movies about how your zogbot were sad while killing said civilians >morons think it’s high art >”isn’t war cool go-I mean guys? It ain’t me meymey am I right? Niw who wants to sigh up to invade Iran?”
Based Kubrick exposing the military industrial cult at its lowest level. Even the nice guys beat up Pvt. Pyle. Inb4 vets try to normalize their violent cult indoctrination/hazing rituals.
>be amerifats >bomb innocent country >kill millions of civilians >leave >many years later make movies about how your zogbot were sad while killing said civilians >morons think it’s high art >”isn’t war cool go-I mean guys? It ain’t me meymey am I right? Niw who wants to sigh up to invade Iran?”
Greater power, greater responsibility. It's kinda like how nobody gives a shit how brutal Canadians were to Germans during WW1. They were also the ones that shot Germans during the Christmas Truce.
>We kind of started it ourselves.
Stalin did the Holodomor before WW2 even ended bro.
The Holodomor had no bearing on the existence of the Cold War. No one gave a shit about the Holodomor until deep into the Cold War era when we started digging up Ukrainians to complain.
The US started the Cold War when they fricked over Russia on the Marshall Plan money they'd promised them. Setting the standards such that Russia would have to reject them and already having a Congress that was openly and publicly hostile to sending any kind of economic aid towards Russia.
Post colonialism. Russians mostly colonized and subjugated white countries and central Asian churkas who are barely brown enough, so that doesn't count.
My pick is "We were soldiers". It's just a solid rewatchable action movie with simple themes and a good cast.
Probably most realistic combat when it comes to Vietnam War movies, but there is plenty of patriotic bullshit added. The counter attack at the end is bullshit. Battle ended in anti-climax. Americans were in no position to do anything like that. Like quarter were dead, half were wounded and only quarter were physically intact. Vietnamese just fricked off when they realized they can't overrun landing zone X-Ray. When they retreated, they completely overran another US landing zone nearby, LZ Albany, where Americans called Arc Light strike on themselves for extra lulz and friendly fire.
This is something I've always wondered, is there a single Vietnam movie that takes the perspective of a random civilian from Vietnam? I'm not even talking about a Vietcong or a whatever, I'm talking about that little girl from the napalm photo, why is there no movie made about her or someone like her?
And what does that tells us about the American collective psyche?
>And what does that tells us about the American collective psyche?
that americans sympathize with american soldiers and the overall futility of that war and what it did to a generation of young american men
why can't the vietnamese make their own movie about a vietnamese citizen? why does america have to do it?
the closest thing i could think of is The Killing Fields. although it's about two journalists, one of them is played by a cambodian actor who was literally oppressed by pol pot's khmer rouge and lived to tell the tale. great fricking movie if you ever get the chance to see it
yeah but the cambodian was playing a journalist. After watching Ken Burns documentary I want to make a movie about the Vietnamese lady who read Hemingway while coasting along the Ho Chi Minh trail. I also like the vietnam vet the interview who was never wienery but somber during the entire interview. The only thing he seemed salt about was how much rations americans had than VietKongs.
how is it about the war?
most of it takes place on the boat going upriver then in a cannabalistic deserter army, nothing about firefights in the jungle. The playboy bunny scene is about...army grunts are horny I guess?
Kilgore's landing shows us US air presence, but thats one scene. the rest deosnt incapsulate the vietnam war by most soldiers at all
>we are in saigon >we need you to go upriver >commander has gone AWOL and has his own army
no? Kilgore's beach raid was as far as it got to american military presence
The film and Heart of Darkness itself have many differences.
that is literally what I said. Most of HoD is about how barren the heart of Africa is
Are we talking past each other?
HoD is about Africa and the spirit of colonialism and what the line is between gentleman and savage and if there is a line. If we want to pacify these 'savages', how far down the rabbit hole of becoming one of them are we willing to go?
Apocalypse Now is about War, Ares, man against man. What does it take to win a war, and what does that turn man into by the end?
AN borrows the framework from HoD, but the story is definitely different. The focus is different.
>Apocalypse Now is about War, Ares, man against man. What does it take to win a war, and what does that turn man into by the end?
Kurtz is literally a crack shot, nobody expects/expected him to go awol and have his own personal army. Both exist in HoD and AN of course, but this is not a keynote on war because something like this rarely happens. Willard gets into some VERY light skirmishes going upriver, but once he enters kutz's territory, he and his crew are allowed to make it all the way to kurtz's base of operations without conflict. From here, Kurtz entraps Willard for a couple days, then elts him free to strangle him. What does this teach him about war? that your enemy will let you get close then just let you win?
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Kurtz lets him close because he is a General, a warlord, a commander, who has found a perfect Lieutenant, a right-hand man, someone that 'gets it' as well as he does, a successor even.
Kurtz doesn't kill every American on the way into his territory, because he doesn't hate the US, and he knows that he can pick through those sent his way for followers for his own war. In a way, he is filtered perfect candidates. Those that can be given wetwork jobs in cold blood and be willing to follow the orders discretely and quietly to the ends of the Earth. People who are already on the border of the 'jungle'.
Willard demonstrates that he is an avatar of war on the way up the river.
He kills innocents without a care. He is willing to sacrifice the entire boat crew if it'd get him even a mile up the river further. He doesn't care about women, about festivities, about pleasure, about his fellow soldiers, about his country, even. There is nothing to him by the end except for an interest in Kurtz as someone that has taken that next step Willard dreamed about, and his goal to finish the mission.
Willard already knew everything there was to know about war going in.
Kurtz lets him kill him, because Kurtz already has figured out that Willard is the next generation coming in to replace him.
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>He is willing to sacrifice the entire boat crew if it'd get him even a mile up the river further >about his fellow soldiers, his country even
this doesnt make sense. When theyre shot at he returns fire and commands his squad so hey survive. He says "Im not even in their damn army anymore" but why would he keep going upriver then?
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He is willing to burn them to get up the river, but them all dying needlessly isn't efficient for achieving his end of reaching Kurtz. They can at least be useful sacrifices.
Kurtz and the 'heart' is pulling him forwards. Towards that incarnation of Ares or Athena, Kurtz has become. Willard says he's not in the US Army anymore because he technically isn't. He was a MAC-SOG member. Not part of the real Army. Someone chosen to carry out the black operations they couldn't use the real Army for. There isn't any gain to making Willard a Major or giving him a promotion because he should be a ghost. A spook to be dropped on anything the Government wants dead.
But beyond that he had become like Kurtz, something separate from the whole. He broke off from the whole and will most likely wage his own one man war, or become some demon of the jungle. Either way, he isn't going back to civilization at the end.
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then why does he kill kurtz?
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Not that anon but I believe that was his mission that tied him to the entire place. He's thematically surpassing him without disobeying his orders.
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Kurtz wanted to die. He was old, out of shape, no longer a proper warrior anymore.
And it was Willard's duty. Regardless of taking Kurtz's ideology, Willard gave himself the duty of killing Kurtz and so he killed Kurtz. That was his goal and he would do anything to achieve that.
how is it about the war?
most of it takes place on the boat going upriver then in a cannabalistic deserter army, nothing about firefights in the jungle. The playboy bunny scene is about...army grunts are horny I guess?
Kilgore's landing shows us US air presence, but thats one scene. the rest deosnt incapsulate the vietnam war by most soldiers at all
Anon, the point was that America had no business being there in the first place and that it was a horrific and maddening time for everyone involved. Brando's improvised horror speech is about him discarding morality and its consequences away because it is detrimental for his continued survival; mentally, spiritually and physically.
Platoon has the best characters
Deer Hunter has the best scene
Full Metal Jacket is the best directed
I prefer Full Metal Jacket the most because Kubrick was just a flawless filmmaker.
>I prefer Full Metal Jacket the most because Kubrick was just a flawless filmmaker.
He couldn't even move his fat ass to a country that at least remotely resembles Vietnam.
Platoon is the most accurate if you want to know how shit really went down during a tour of duty in Vietnam. I've probably seen it more times than any other Vietnam war movie
I have literally never watched FMJ past boot camp. Kubrick movies are so fricking boring it’s unbearable, the only movie I’ve ever watched start to end is clockwork orange
the shining? get bored after an hour, I fast forward the last 20m.
2001? I’ve only watched the iconic scenes
Dr Strangelove? Unwatchable
e-girlta? Kek there’s only one reason people watch it and they fast forward everything else
So here's a question anons, and sorry if it seems moronic but:
How far do you guys consider Apocalypse Now to be a war film? Obviously it's all about the Vietnam War, but it's not a conventional war film by any means. There's no battle aside from the Charlie don't surf sequence, and very little action besides that. It's more psychological than anything else.
>It's not a war movie the war is a backdrop. The mission and the descent to madness is the story >none of this is because of the war
kek anon you're moronic. remove the war and the descent into madness doesn't occur, there's no story
good. glad ahnuld didn't check his ego at the door on that one. the only part of him that's fat. i'll be ahnuld would've wanted the whole script changed so he could play a central colonel asiatic war character like john wayne did in the green berets
ever watch him in My Bodyguard? he played an awkward, tough kid who protected a scrawny kid from school bullies. loved that fricking movie. adam felt like the big brother i never had https://youtu.be/B7i_BVUzqUM
One of the few movies I turned off halfway through. When McFly fired his gun into the air to purposely alert the enemy to their position I just couldn't take it anymore.
>Best Vietnam Movie of all time
I’m gonna be that homosexual and throw this king in the ring. Apple TV be damned, this movie is fantastic. Challenges both political sides’ ideas concerning war and shits all over glowBlack folk. Was genuinely surprised with how much I liked it; would recommend
Oliver Stones third Vietnam movie, Heaven & Earth.
It is the only Western film to try to depict the war from the Vietnamese experience.
All the other films are just about how sad soldiers were lol
lol the main reason he did that movie is because it was a love letter to asian women. everybody in the industry knows about his insatiable yellow fever. can't blame him for it tho. asian women are kino. they're the only women these days who actually still cook, not just share recipes on facebook like white girls do commenting to each other "OOOO I got to try that for the family" but never get off their phones to do shit
>fight the Japanese empire >win >fight French colonials >win >fight American empire >win >fight Cambodian extremist psychos >win >fight Chinese authoritarians >win
Plot-armored protagonists of the 20th century. How did they do it?
Since we're on Cinemaphile the same way the Dornishmen beat the dragons, in fact now that I think of it maybe there's an intended connection there, basically, if your entire population is ready to fight and they hide in every little hole imaginable its hard to beat them.
wait, what, FMJ is a vietnam movie? it doesnt end when Pvt Pyle shoots Sergeant Hartman and an heros? Ive watched that movie like 7 times and never knew there was a second part, is it like the deathly hallows?
the ending of the deer hunter where they all start singing "god bless america" in a mopey tone and then it freeze-frames is so fricking corny it makes me sick
I wouldn't rank Deer Hunter high. Its more like a hunting movie, then the later half ties into vietnam.
I'm partial to Apocalypse now. Platoon feels too preachy, and Full Metal Jacket feels more about military training than Vietnam (then again I've only seen the memes). Apocalypse now feels like a pretty neutral but gory movie. For instance in Apocalypse now there is a scene where you see a Vietnamese woman dressed as a school girl try to give an American service man in a helicopter her baby. It turns out the baby was a grenade and explodes the helicopter. Then you see the other helicopter run down and gun her and her entire family. That and the captain walking around the beach oblivious to being shot and encouraging one of his solders to surf encapsulates the Vietnam war.
FMJ is the more watchable film
Second half of FMJ is meh
Based
the second half of the film is the better half, boomer. for many reasons but one of the most obvious being Animal Mother
>whose side are you on son
>me love you long time
>easy, you just dont lead em so much
>you talk the talk, do you walk the walk?
>we're jolly green giants
>all fricking Black folk must fricking hang
>mickey mouse MICKEY MOUSE
>meh
kys
>I-it's better because muh racism
Subhuman rat.
>whole point was the racism was just bants and they were complete bros
Why can’t you appreciate nuance?
First half of FMJ is the reddit half, 2nd one is way better
>Second half of FMJ is meh
Sometime’s I just skip the first half and watch the Vietnam stuff.
Come at me.
Second half is better
2nds half of fmj is utter kino only homosexual grade schoolers who obsess over meme sgt. say this
Filtered.
Hamburger hill or Apocaylpse now
This
First half of FMJ is mid, second is a bad Vietnam movie.
moron
i always do the thing with my arms up like platoon. in the warehouse once my mate bumped the forklift into one of the posts and really fricked both the post and the forklift up and i drop to my knees and do this, for example
kino
FMJ is the best Vietnam war movie that I have seen. I don't mean most realistic, it's just the highest quality Vietnam film and I've seen all the major ones, including Apocalypse Now which I think is incredibly hamfisted, somewhat schmaltzy and overrated. Most of the Vietnam war movies that were released were reflective of the pro/anti cold war propaganda of the time. It would be interesting to see more Vietnam movies made today by talented writers and directors who aren't just rehashing hamfisted beaten to death moral narratives and cliches.
Actually, now that I think about it, it would not be interesting. It would probably just be about racial narratives (white people bad for Vietnam, blacks were innocent and victims too), some LGBT narrative and sort of sprinkle on some anti-Russia nonsense. So, I guss in theory it would be nice to see some new Vietnam movies but I can't imagine modern propaganda twists would be any better than yesterdays.
My problem with platoon. It got cartoony at times. It would’ve been more interesting if you can’t tell who suppose to be a good guy or not.
Tropic Thunder
Platoon is alright.
Deer Man is shite.
FMJ isn't great.
There's nothing worse than a comedy that's not funny.
What about the hilariously bad editing? Or the character behaviour that made no sense.
>shit taste
Yeah Deer Hunter is infuriating because instead of getting more character development it feels like the director just wanted to putz around and shoot more endless scenes of weddings and hunting trips.
the hunting trip scenes are literally all character development
Kong Skull Island
Tbhh
Of those three, FMJ by a landslide. Deer Hunter takes forever and Platoon doesn't hold a candle. It also tries to moralize more than FMJ, which also has a moral but delivers it better. I did like the ending parts of Platoon with the swastika flag and the trophy collecting but really I would have preferred a film that followed those soldiers around instead of the whiners we the audience were stuck with.
Deer Hunter but FMJ is the most rewatchable and enjoyable. Platoon is not a good movie.
The slow beginning is deliberate. It drives home the impact that being uprooted from slow small town life to hell on earth on the characters.
>Platoon is not a good movie
You shut your fricking prostitute mouth.
I agree, I fricking dropped Deer Hunter because it took so fricking long. I GET IT, THEYRE NAIVE MIDWESTERN DIPSHITS. ITS BEEN DONE.
>30 mins of them setting up and planning the wedding
>1 hour of them at the wedding and fricking dancing
>okay now they're gonna go camping
>long shot of the car driving to the camping site
>oh, looks like they pulled over and are now making sandwiches
What a fricking dogshit movie, wasting my time. It's like I was fricking tricked into thinking it was a Vietnam movie and it turns out it was grandpa's old VHS tapes of him with his fishing buddies.
kek I remember renting this and some other movie in HS and planned to do a double feature. I finished the first movie and put in Deer Hunter around midnight. About an hour into that bullshit I finally checked the running time and fricking rage quit the movie. Never bothered watching the rest of it.
are zero attention span zoom zooms really this fricking impatient? please do yourselves a favor and don't watch seven samurai, the godfather I & II. you ADHD morons just won't get it
frickin a
Nah go frick yourself. I watched Yojimbo no problem as well as the Dollar Trilogy. There's slow pacing and then there's fricking around and wasting my time.
There's about 7 minutes worth of character development in the entire first 2 hours of that fricking movie.
OOOO THEYRE ONLY POOR NAIVE HICKS WHO THINK VIETNAM IS ALL GLORY AND ACTION. how fricking unique.
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE DEEP CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OF THE GUY WANTING MUSTARD ON HIS TURKEY SANDWICH.
Kubrick understood pacing in his movie and understood people actually wanna see Vietnam in their Vietnam movie.
Kiss my ass you pretentious c**t.
deer hunter would be better without the hour long wedding
Filtered
Forrest Gump
Army Dog 3: Mi Lay Mutt
>What's the best Vietnam film of all time?
the footage of Jane Fonda getting gangbanged in the jungle by dirty communist vietcong as a form of "protest"
Problem Child 2
apocalypse now and by far
This.
>no Apocalypse Now
You had one fricking job OP
Does First Blood count?
>canadian
No
OH NO THE POOR Black personIBUUUSS
The second half of Full Metal Jacket is the correct answer
You are a man of refined taste. Just like me.
Based Kubrick exposing the military industrial cult at its lowest level. Even the nice guys beat up Pvt. Pyle. Inb4 vets try to normalize their violent cult indoctrination/hazing rituals.
Pyle got beat up for being a frick up.
84 Charlie MoPic
Good movie
absolute kino
watch it with some ketamine on a VR set
Apocalypse Now. You have a shitty pic, OP.
Apocalypse now, possibly one of the best kino ever
>be amerifats
>bomb innocent country
>kill millions of civilians
>leave
>many years later make movies about how your zogbot were sad while killing said civilians
>morons think it’s high art
>”isn’t war cool go-I mean guys? It ain’t me meymey am I right? Niw who wants to sigh up to invade Iran?”
>innocent
Communists are never innocent.
I notice the US is the only one that ever gets shit for the cold war, not to say it isn't deserved it's just interesting
Greater power, greater responsibility. It's kinda like how nobody gives a shit how brutal Canadians were to Germans during WW1. They were also the ones that shot Germans during the Christmas Truce.
We kind of started it ourselves.
And we live in the West where there is enough b***hing about the USSR as being an oppressive shithole already.
>We kind of started it ourselves.
No......?
The Holodomor had no bearing on the existence of the Cold War. No one gave a shit about the Holodomor until deep into the Cold War era when we started digging up Ukrainians to complain.
The US started the Cold War when they fricked over Russia on the Marshall Plan money they'd promised them. Setting the standards such that Russia would have to reject them and already having a Congress that was openly and publicly hostile to sending any kind of economic aid towards Russia.
Russia/USSR was well known for infiltrating the US since the end of WW1
>We kind of started it ourselves.
Stalin did the Holodomor before WW2 even ended bro.
Apocalypse Now.
Post colonialism. Russians mostly colonized and subjugated white countries and central Asian churkas who are barely brown enough, so that doesn't count.
Probably most realistic combat when it comes to Vietnam War movies, but there is plenty of patriotic bullshit added. The counter attack at the end is bullshit. Battle ended in anti-climax. Americans were in no position to do anything like that. Like quarter were dead, half were wounded and only quarter were physically intact. Vietnamese just fricked off when they realized they can't overrun landing zone X-Ray. When they retreated, they completely overran another US landing zone nearby, LZ Albany, where Americans called Arc Light strike on themselves for extra lulz and friendly fire.
Another sentimental piece of fiction.
>Vietnamese just fricked off
You can just say they retreated anon.
well tbf he did say that in the next sentence, so he used a synonym to vary up his post. Dont wanna be repetitive.
well we cant make movies about your feelings since we bombed them all.
This is something I've always wondered, is there a single Vietnam movie that takes the perspective of a random civilian from Vietnam? I'm not even talking about a Vietcong or a whatever, I'm talking about that little girl from the napalm photo, why is there no movie made about her or someone like her?
And what does that tells us about the American collective psyche?
>And what does that tells us about the American collective psyche?
that americans sympathize with american soldiers and the overall futility of that war and what it did to a generation of young american men
why can't the vietnamese make their own movie about a vietnamese citizen? why does america have to do it?
the closest thing i could think of is The Killing Fields. although it's about two journalists, one of them is played by a cambodian actor who was literally oppressed by pol pot's khmer rouge and lived to tell the tale. great fricking movie if you ever get the chance to see it
yeah but the cambodian was playing a journalist. After watching Ken Burns documentary I want to make a movie about the Vietnamese lady who read Hemingway while coasting along the Ho Chi Minh trail. I also like the vietnam vet the interview who was never wienery but somber during the entire interview. The only thing he seemed salt about was how much rations americans had than VietKongs.
SILVER WINGS UPON THEIR CHEST
THESE ARE MEN, AMERICA'S BEST
ONE HUNDRED MEN WILL TEST TODAY
BUT ONLY THREE WIN THE GREEN BERET
platoon
Apocalypse now is hardly a vietnam film
FMJ is mostly jarhead bootcamp
deer hunter is just returning veteran PTSD and...russian roulette
but the real answer is We Were Soldiers
>Apocalypse now is hardly a vietnam film
And that's why it's the best.
>the best vietnam film is the one that has almost nothing to do with vietnam
>Apocalypse now is hardly a vietnam film
It's literally the prototypical 'Nam film, what exactly did you mean by this
>Heart of Darkness
>but it's in Vietnam
>for some reason it doesn't count as a Vietnam film
wat
you could literally take the entire movie and set it anywhere else and it would have the same cohesion
That is what makes it good.
Vietnam sucks as a war in of itself.
But the jungle and context is great for a movie about war as a concept.
apocalypse now isnt about war at all, its about the madness of a war general
pleae read the actual book before making these generalizations
The film and Heart of Darkness itself have many differences.
Not that anon but it is very much about the war just like how Heart of Darkness was a critique on the European colonialism of Africa.
how is it about the war?
most of it takes place on the boat going upriver then in a cannabalistic deserter army, nothing about firefights in the jungle. The playboy bunny scene is about...army grunts are horny I guess?
Kilgore's landing shows us US air presence, but thats one scene. the rest deosnt incapsulate the vietnam war by most soldiers at all
>isn't about WAR at all
>is about madness of WAR
makes no sense
Yes but that's a hypothetical. In actuality, it's set in Vietnam and explores America's burgeoning military presence there.
>we are in saigon
>we need you to go upriver
>commander has gone AWOL and has his own army
no? Kilgore's beach raid was as far as it got to american military presence
that is literally what I said. Most of HoD is about how barren the heart of Africa is
Are we talking past each other?
HoD is about Africa and the spirit of colonialism and what the line is between gentleman and savage and if there is a line. If we want to pacify these 'savages', how far down the rabbit hole of becoming one of them are we willing to go?
Apocalypse Now is about War, Ares, man against man. What does it take to win a war, and what does that turn man into by the end?
AN borrows the framework from HoD, but the story is definitely different. The focus is different.
>Apocalypse Now is about War, Ares, man against man. What does it take to win a war, and what does that turn man into by the end?
Kurtz is literally a crack shot, nobody expects/expected him to go awol and have his own personal army. Both exist in HoD and AN of course, but this is not a keynote on war because something like this rarely happens. Willard gets into some VERY light skirmishes going upriver, but once he enters kutz's territory, he and his crew are allowed to make it all the way to kurtz's base of operations without conflict. From here, Kurtz entraps Willard for a couple days, then elts him free to strangle him. What does this teach him about war? that your enemy will let you get close then just let you win?
Kurtz lets him close because he is a General, a warlord, a commander, who has found a perfect Lieutenant, a right-hand man, someone that 'gets it' as well as he does, a successor even.
Kurtz doesn't kill every American on the way into his territory, because he doesn't hate the US, and he knows that he can pick through those sent his way for followers for his own war. In a way, he is filtered perfect candidates. Those that can be given wetwork jobs in cold blood and be willing to follow the orders discretely and quietly to the ends of the Earth. People who are already on the border of the 'jungle'.
Willard demonstrates that he is an avatar of war on the way up the river.
He kills innocents without a care. He is willing to sacrifice the entire boat crew if it'd get him even a mile up the river further. He doesn't care about women, about festivities, about pleasure, about his fellow soldiers, about his country, even. There is nothing to him by the end except for an interest in Kurtz as someone that has taken that next step Willard dreamed about, and his goal to finish the mission.
Willard already knew everything there was to know about war going in.
Kurtz lets him kill him, because Kurtz already has figured out that Willard is the next generation coming in to replace him.
>He is willing to sacrifice the entire boat crew if it'd get him even a mile up the river further
>about his fellow soldiers, his country even
this doesnt make sense. When theyre shot at he returns fire and commands his squad so hey survive. He says "Im not even in their damn army anymore" but why would he keep going upriver then?
He is willing to burn them to get up the river, but them all dying needlessly isn't efficient for achieving his end of reaching Kurtz. They can at least be useful sacrifices.
Kurtz and the 'heart' is pulling him forwards. Towards that incarnation of Ares or Athena, Kurtz has become. Willard says he's not in the US Army anymore because he technically isn't. He was a MAC-SOG member. Not part of the real Army. Someone chosen to carry out the black operations they couldn't use the real Army for. There isn't any gain to making Willard a Major or giving him a promotion because he should be a ghost. A spook to be dropped on anything the Government wants dead.
But beyond that he had become like Kurtz, something separate from the whole. He broke off from the whole and will most likely wage his own one man war, or become some demon of the jungle. Either way, he isn't going back to civilization at the end.
then why does he kill kurtz?
Not that anon but I believe that was his mission that tied him to the entire place. He's thematically surpassing him without disobeying his orders.
Kurtz wanted to die. He was old, out of shape, no longer a proper warrior anymore.
And it was Willard's duty. Regardless of taking Kurtz's ideology, Willard gave himself the duty of killing Kurtz and so he killed Kurtz. That was his goal and he would do anything to achieve that.
Anon, the point was that America had no business being there in the first place and that it was a horrific and maddening time for everyone involved. Brando's improvised horror speech is about him discarding morality and its consequences away because it is detrimental for his continued survival; mentally, spiritually and physically.
Apocalypse Now.
Not even a debate.
Platoon has the best characters
Deer Hunter has the best scene
Full Metal Jacket is the best directed
I prefer Full Metal Jacket the most because Kubrick was just a flawless filmmaker.
>I prefer Full Metal Jacket the most because Kubrick was just a flawless filmmaker.
He couldn't even move his fat ass to a country that at least remotely resembles Vietnam.
>South Vietnam was only rice padies and mountains
Platoon is the most accurate if you want to know how shit really went down during a tour of duty in Vietnam. I've probably seen it more times than any other Vietnam war movie
Kys kiddo
born on the fourth of july
Apocalypse Now. If you disagree you are a pleb or contrarian.
which movies actually have it ain't me starts playing?
isn't it in forrest gump? i think that's the movie that started that whole meme
More than a film
My pick is "We were soldiers". It's just a solid rewatchable action movie with simple themes and a good cast.
kino
Rescue Dawn.
couldn't sit through deer hunter or sitting bull
The Deer Hunter is not about Vietnam.
It's not even about war.
It's not even set on earth. Hell, it's not even a movie. It doesn't even exist.
seething leftoids leave
Combat Shock
>Dude garbage obscure movie... Good!
have a nice day immediately.
Apocalypse now obviously
and maybe that one section of Forrest Gump
Platoon is my favorite I think
also really like
Full Metal Jacket
Apocalypse Now
84C MoPic
Bat 21
The Boys in Company C
Casualties of War
Born on the Fourth of July
FMJ>Deer Hunter>Platoon>Apocalpyse Now
If you're not moronic like I am, you can reverse the arrows.
I have literally never watched FMJ past boot camp. Kubrick movies are so fricking boring it’s unbearable, the only movie I’ve ever watched start to end is clockwork orange
the shining? get bored after an hour, I fast forward the last 20m.
2001? I’ve only watched the iconic scenes
Dr Strangelove? Unwatchable
e-girlta? Kek there’s only one reason people watch it and they fast forward everything else
I don’t even remember the rest,
>Kubrick movies are so fricking boring
why are zoomers like this?
Rambo 2
Old video clips of the actual war.
Deer Hunter obviously
Winter Soldier
>Winter Soldier
good film/doc. very emotional
Yakub's Ladder
It's Full Metal Jacket
If you don't like the second half, you got filtered
So here's a question anons, and sorry if it seems moronic but:
How far do you guys consider Apocalypse Now to be a war film? Obviously it's all about the Vietnam War, but it's not a conventional war film by any means. There's no battle aside from the Charlie don't surf sequence, and very little action besides that. It's more psychological than anything else.
Its set in a war, but it isn't a war film. Same way that the Good, the Bad and the Ugly is set in a war but no one considers it a war film either.
That's because the book is that way. It's really not a war torn nation just the usual tribal bullshit.
Well Heart of Darkness isn't set during a war, it's just in the middle of the Scramble for Africa.
It's not a war movie the war is a backdrop. The mission and the descent to madness is the story
>It's not a war movie the war is a backdrop. The mission and the descent to madness is the story
>none of this is because of the war
kek anon you're moronic. remove the war and the descent into madness doesn't occur, there's no story
Frick, Brando would have made a great Judge Holden
1. Apocalypse Now
2. Full Metal Jacket
3. Deer Hunter
4. Platoon
5. Forest Gump
Just learnt that Arnold was offered the part of Animal Mother in FMJ but turned it down so he could star in Running Man instead
What a moron
Arnold would have been terrible in that role
Arnie was way too old for the role.
Running Man is kino and Baldwin was perfect for the role
good. glad ahnuld didn't check his ego at the door on that one. the only part of him that's fat. i'll be ahnuld would've wanted the whole script changed so he could play a central colonel asiatic war character like john wayne did in the green berets
Thank god he wasn't, that would have been insanely distracting.
ever watch him in My Bodyguard? he played an awkward, tough kid who protected a scrawny kid from school bullies. loved that fricking movie. adam felt like the big brother i never had https://youtu.be/B7i_BVUzqUM
he would butcher the role
film saved, that roid monkey cannot act for shit. Would have been distracting hearing a slurred austrian accent from an American GI
I fricking hate when that little manlet Sean Penn pretends to be a tough guy
One of the few movies I turned off halfway through. When McFly fired his gun into the air to purposely alert the enemy to their position I just couldn't take it anymore.
Deer hunter is a meme. It didn't even specifically have to be about vietnam. It could have been a war anywhere.
Next you'll be defending the overly long wedding scene.
Hamburger Hill is a forgotten gem
>hey troop! you get any closer to that pussy and your wiener will fall off
>Best Vietnam Movie of all time
I’m gonna be that homosexual and throw this king in the ring. Apple TV be damned, this movie is fantastic. Challenges both political sides’ ideas concerning war and shits all over glowBlack folk. Was genuinely surprised with how much I liked it; would recommend
That movie is swamp ass dog shit. Its awful. Its ugly. The acting is shit
Fersure I agree my dude, but I disagree b
Oliver Stones third Vietnam movie, Heaven & Earth.
It is the only Western film to try to depict the war from the Vietnamese experience.
All the other films are just about how sad soldiers were lol
lol the main reason he did that movie is because it was a love letter to asian women. everybody in the industry knows about his insatiable yellow fever. can't blame him for it tho. asian women are kino. they're the only women these days who actually still cook, not just share recipes on facebook like white girls do commenting to each other "OOOO I got to try that for the family" but never get off their phones to do shit
here's a hint
Platoon
The correct answer. Deer hunter is too long and only the first half of fmj is any good. Berenger as Sgt Barnes is pure kino
>fight the Japanese empire
>win
>fight French colonials
>win
>fight American empire
>win
>fight Cambodian extremist psychos
>win
>fight Chinese authoritarians
>win
Plot-armored protagonists of the 20th century. How did they do it?
What did they win?
Since we're on Cinemaphile the same way the Dornishmen beat the dragons, in fact now that I think of it maybe there's an intended connection there, basically, if your entire population is ready to fight and they hide in every little hole imaginable its hard to beat them.
Is there a single pro-America Nam movie?
wait, what, FMJ is a vietnam movie? it doesnt end when Pvt Pyle shoots Sergeant Hartman and an heros? Ive watched that movie like 7 times and never knew there was a second part, is it like the deathly hallows?
Why would you watch half a movie 7 times?.
No it's one fricking movie. Holy shit did you download half a film? How do you even do that?
deer hunter unironically made me feel empty after watching it, i've never had a movie made me feel that way after watching it.
the ending of the deer hunter where they all start singing "god bless america" in a mopey tone and then it freeze-frames is so fricking corny it makes me sick
Either Apocalypse Now or FMJ.
No love for Siege of Firebase Gloria?
Apocalypse Now
Platoon>FMJ
1. Apocalypse Now
2. The Seige of Firebase Gloria
3. Deerhubter
4. FMJ
5. Casualties of War
You done already finna know
I wouldn't rank Deer Hunter high. Its more like a hunting movie, then the later half ties into vietnam.
I'm partial to Apocalypse now. Platoon feels too preachy, and Full Metal Jacket feels more about military training than Vietnam (then again I've only seen the memes). Apocalypse now feels like a pretty neutral but gory movie. For instance in Apocalypse now there is a scene where you see a Vietnamese woman dressed as a school girl try to give an American service man in a helicopter her baby. It turns out the baby was a grenade and explodes the helicopter. Then you see the other helicopter run down and gun her and her entire family. That and the captain walking around the beach oblivious to being shot and encouraging one of his solders to surf encapsulates the Vietnam war.
Deer hunter directors cut (runtime 5 hours)
Siege of firebase Gloria